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Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:28pm On Dec 09, 2017 |
Pope Francis claims angels greeting to Mary as being 'full of grace' meant she was without sin 'Pope Francis' Claims Angel's Greeting to Mary as Being 'Full of Grace' Meant She Was Without Sin 1 Share
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Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by zoedew: 12:22am On Dec 10, 2017 |
Wished he knew what he was talking about. Romans 3:23 is clear 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by icybeth(m): 12:30am On Dec 10, 2017 |
What of d sin she and everyone inherited from Adam our first parent? Mary was priveleged to give birth to Jesus. |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by TANKDESTROYER(m): 1:11am On Dec 10, 2017 |
Wrong!!! I'm out |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 1:44am On Dec 10, 2017 |
wrong wrong wrong! for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 so dat means Mary was also a sinner, God favour falls upon her just like, it did to Jacob, Joseph, David and co,not dat Mary was sinless, sometimes I Wonder if dis so call Men of God, read,d bible self. 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Dnaz(m): 2:29am On Dec 10, 2017 |
Jesse01:So Jesus too sinned 1 Like |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by 9inches(m): 2:35am On Dec 10, 2017 |
Jesse01: You are asking whether the people who gave you the bible do read the bible. You better get real.Throwing around bible verses does not mean good understanding of the bible. 3 Likes |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Dnaz(m): 2:38am On Dec 10, 2017 |
Yes Mary was without sin. She was a master piece of God, prepared specially to conceive her son. If Mary was stained with original sin, then Jesus who is God himself will dwell in a sinful body . if she wasn't saved beforehand by God from sin then Jesus will be conceived in sin. Jesus got all his Human DNA from Mary. She was saved by the merits of her son Because she is Theotokos. God bearer Pray to the holy spirit for understanding Chaire kecharitomene 2 Likes |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by uboma(m): 6:19am On Dec 10, 2017 |
Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, had inherited the fallen flesh from our first parents Adam and Eve, just like every other human being alive today. |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 7:35am On Dec 10, 2017 |
Dnaz:did Jesus have human Father? 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 7:36am On Dec 10, 2017 |
9inches:not a Christian only said wat Christian always said to me all d times 3 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Dnaz(m): 8:01am On Dec 10, 2017 |
Jesse01:No But he had a human mother |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Dnaz(m): 8:05am On Dec 10, 2017 |
uboma:No she was saved from contracting original sin by the special grace of God. |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Dnaz(m): 8:08am On Dec 10, 2017 |
If Mary wasn't kept untainted by God, Christ will have been conceived in sin like all men. Mary was specially prepared for her role in Salvation |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Dnaz(m): 8:14am On Dec 10, 2017 |
5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, He said, "Sacrifices and offerings thou hast not desired, but a body hast thou prepared for me; Hebrews 10:5 Here it says God prepared a body for Jesus Mary was part of that preparation. For God cannot dwell nor inherit a sinful body 1 Like |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by fellowman: 8:16am On Dec 10, 2017 |
why did she need to offer an atonement according to Old Testament Law (Lev. 12:1-8 ) after giving birth to Jesus ? According to the Old Testament, it was only the mother who needed purifying after a birth because of the issue of blood. She was ritually unclean. If she had a male child, the days of her period of uncleanness was seven days, then the child was circumcised, then she remained unclean for 33 days (v. 4)--for a total of 40 days. If she bore a female child, her period of uncleanness would be 14 days plus 66 days for a total of 80 days. Notice in Leviticus 12:2 it says if she bears a male child, she shall be unclean for seven days. If Mary was sinless, how could she also be unclean? Luke 2 vs 21-24 says a And when the days for their purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him up to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord 23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “ a EVERY firstborn MALE THAT OPENS THE WOMB SHALL BE CALLED HOLY TO THE LORD”), 24 and to offer a sacrifice according to what was said in the Law of the Lord, “ a A PAIR OF TURTLEDOVES OR TWO YOUNG PIGEONS.” this pair of turtle doves was called Sin offering MARY WAS A SINNER 3 Likes |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 8:18am On Dec 10, 2017 |
Dnaz:but d only spirit descend up Jesus human mother lol, so Jesus birth was different frm normal humans, no sex was involved. according to Christians,u get d drill? 4 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by fellowman: 8:23am On Dec 10, 2017 |
Jesse01: even the Muslim believe no sex was involved. so you have no backup here. |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 8:29am On Dec 10, 2017 |
fellowman:I have so many points, Mary is a sinner just like every other human dat walk d earth, jesus was perfect not dat Mary was sinless, but he(Jesus) came in to dis World without d Normal procedure, dat is sex which involved a man and a woman according to Ancient times, u can take dat to d bank. 4 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by fellowman: 8:32am On Dec 10, 2017 |
Jesse01: guy then we are saying the same thing. I even quoted the Bible to support it. it's above before your post. |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 8:41am On Dec 10, 2017 |
fellowman:ok den it cool 4 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by bloodofthelamb(m): 8:57am On Dec 10, 2017 |
Dnaz: Luke1:46-47_ And Mary said, "My soul doth magnify the LORD. 47- And my spirit hath rejoiced in GOD my saviour. Why do Mary need a saviour if she was without sin? Only sick people need a doctor. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 9:25am On Dec 10, 2017 |
bloodofthelamb:Wrong analogy.. It was God who saved her yes.. A person can be saved before they fall into a ditch.. just like they can also be saved after they fall into a ditch.. the Bible itself says God can prevent us from falling jude 1: 24 Now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with rejoicing, 25 to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and for ever. Amen.. So you can be saved not only when you are brought out of a hole you fell into.. you can also be saved from falling into that same hole.. and that is exactly what God did for Mary 1 Like |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Dnaz(m): 9:29am On Dec 10, 2017 |
fellowman:Mary was sinless u are yarning opata Was Jesus not purified too? Does it mean he was a sinner? |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Dnaz(m): 9:31am On Dec 10, 2017 |
Jesse01:So Jesus got his human nature from sinful Mary? Jesus was conceived in a sinful body? |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by hadow(m): 9:42am On Dec 10, 2017 |
Dnaz:why do u think Jesus chose to be baptised he was born of a woman and that alone has tainted him. |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by 9inches(m): 9:43am On Dec 10, 2017 |
Jesse01: Not all Christians understand the bible. Only in the Catholic church can one get a complete teaching and understanding of the Christian faith. |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 10:01am On Dec 10, 2017 |
Dnaz:Jesus was not convince thorough sex so dat makes him perfect. 4 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 10:02am On Dec 10, 2017 |
fellowman: There's a fundamental flaw with this argument.. 1. You equate being ritually unclean with sin.. being ritually unclean is not sin.. What is Sin, It is breaking God's law, the ten commandments, Evil against God and or neighbour.. Needing to be "purified" after giving birth is not sin.. that is ritual purification.. am sure you won't say that a woman who gave birth is guilty of sin.. according to Jewish custom bearing a children not only a male child makes s woman ritually unclean because of the blood just like menstruation but am sure you won't also say menstruation or giving birth is a sin.. Everything from touching a dead body to menstruating led to ritual impurity, but those things aren’t sins. Christ Himself sat to eat without ritually washing (Luke 11:37-38), and He was pretty explicit in denouncing obsessing over ritual impurity, and conflating it with sin (see, e.g., Matthew 15:1-3, 10-20; Luke 11:37-41). 2. The fact that someone obeys a law doesn't make them guilty.. Jesus obeyed many Jewish laws.. he got baptized, he was circumcised to make him part of the covenant God made with Abraham (gen 17:10) that doesn't mean He is not the son of God or that he needed it.. it was just to obey the law.. 3. Lastly Leviticus 12 doesn't apply to Mary because Jesus birth was not natural... She just obeyed the law and accepted it . if she did not.. she might be stoned for having a child outside of her husband .. here's why Leviticus 12:2 is being translated very loosely here, as it is in many other l English-language Bibles, in saying that the sin offering applies whenever “ a woman conceives , and bears a male child. ” It doesn’t say that. The Hebrew literally says that it applies if “ a woman receives seed, and bears a male child. ” The Hebrew is clear here: 1. In prophesies about the Virgin Birth, like Isaiah 7:14, the word used is hareh, which means “pregnant.” 2. In Leviticus 12:2, that’s not the verb used. Rather, it’s zara’ , which means “to sow,” or “to receive seed.” For example, this is the verb used for sowing in Genesis 47:23 and Exodus 23:10. In both Hebrew and English, In other words, Leviticus 12 only applies to a woman if she’s inseminated. The KJV gets this right, but most translations use the more polite “ conceives. ” Normally, that’s no big deal. Here, it’s huge, because Mary conceives Jesus, but she was never inseminated . |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 10:03am On Dec 10, 2017 |
9inches:u sure? 5 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 10:06am On Dec 10, 2017 |
hadow:Are you saying Jesus was stained all from his birth till he was baptized?? where does the Bible say that?? |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 10:17am On Dec 10, 2017 |
You people are funny oh.. God specially prepares places where he would descend or communicate with his people.. He gave special instructions in building the ark.. He said use acacia wood, use PURE GOLD, make a mercy seat of PURE GOLD, Make Cherubims of PURE GOLD arranged in a particular way.. and God said, there I will meet you in verse 22.. (cf exodus 25:10-23) God told Moses to use the best wood, the most expensive material (gold) and not just gold, but PURE GOLD.... If God would direct the ark to be made so specially for his people to encounter him in the old testament.. how much more will he specially make the vessel with which he came down in the new testament.. IF HE MADE THE ARK WITH GOOD STRONG PURE MATERIALS HOW MUCH MORE WILL HE MAKE THE VESSEL THAT HE DWELLED IN FOR NINE MONTHS PURE.... |
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