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Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by Sammyblaq(m): 11:10am On Dec 14, 2017 |
It's high time we return to the old testament... 1 Like |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by vikaosi: 11:15am On Dec 14, 2017 |
Hedonistically:READ CAREFULLY: Sec. 15 of Advance Fee Fraud and other Related Offences Act provides: In a trial for an offense under this Act, the fact that a person - (a) is in possession of pecuniary resources or property for which he cannot satisfactorily account and which is disproportionate to his known sources of income; or (b) that he had at or about the time of the alleged offense obtained an accretion to his pecuniary resources or property for which he CANNOT satisfactorily account, may be proved and may be taken into consideration by the High Court as corroborating the testimony of a witness in the trial. Similar laws have this clause. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by Blue3k(m): 11:19am On Dec 14, 2017 |
Hedonistically: I slightly disagree with you. They should explain wealth if they can prove they didn't pay taxes that matches up with wealth. That's why EFCC should work hand and glove with FIRS. This way they can seal their fates no matter what. In USA they didn't get Al Capone on murder or bootlegging but tax evasion. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by Originalsly: 11:36am On Dec 14, 2017 |
Hedonistically:When there is no reliable record system in place such investigations and proof of corruption is almost impossible to prove. He is given the opportunity to explain....but can't. The FG has come to a logical conclusion since he cannot defend the source of income to aquire such assets. Not in the legal profession....but think this amounts to something like circumstantial evidence. Is this not somewhat similar to the action the US takes when they confiscate all assets of convictim drug dealers?...when the FG assume that all assets have been purchased using proceeds from the drug business? I will support this present seizure. ...but damn..... when are we going to hear one of these guys get sentenced to life in prison?...or better.... executed? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by omoiyalayi(m): 11:46am On Dec 14, 2017 |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by Brushless: 11:54am On Dec 14, 2017 |
enemyofprogress:A rogue never knows his days are numbered. The sweeter it is, the better to continue plundering. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by poik(m): 11:59am On Dec 14, 2017 |
I agree with your point, but how can you say a law enforcement agent has no right to investigate suspicious acquisition of assets? And that under the law he isn't under any obligation to divulge the means of his wealth? Maybe I need to be enlightened further here. |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by Nobody: 12:09pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
2016 to 2017? It's ok
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Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by sshalom(m): 12:31pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
Apart from our political leaders who steal with brazen abandon, the core of Nigeria's corruption in engrained in the Civil Service. Once the so called 'bureaucrats' are systematically curbed (through Information Technology and stringent punishment/penalties) from engaging in corrupt practices, this nation will begin to see the light of day. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by Nobody: 12:31pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
Hedonistically: They will be acquitted but all the assets are definitely forfeit. I doubt if the investigative agencies have the technical capacity, the operational clout and moral fortitude to prosecute cases in such detail. As we speak, affected officials in the ministry are most likely making attempts to compromise the investigators with bribes and even, where such fails, with threats of violence. |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by Ijaya123: 12:49pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
simplemach: And he was also caught under APC regime...all is well that ends well. 1 Like |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by travelpoint: 1:28pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
Hedonistically:Noted |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by adecz: 1:32pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
The rapacious avariciousness of the average negroid homo sapien is classically mindboggling & psychiatrically troubling. If no be sickness, wetin one person wan do with 86 cars wen you no be car dealer?? Back man, pls receive deliverance.... 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by navyseal2220: 1:52pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
Afonjas will pretend they didn't see this. |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by one4GOD(f): 2:09pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
BeeBeeOoh:this comment really made me . 1 Like |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by cetzak: 2:21pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
https://www.informationng.com/tag/tijani-tumsah.Check,he was APC former Sec Gen.We have to support the Government on War against corruption. |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by jnrremedy(m): 2:23pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
Hedonistically: sir pls go and read the EFCC act 2003 I doubt u are a lawyer. cos I don't understand how a lawyer will say one is not obligated to explain ones source of wealth. Pls go and read and learn more wealth acquired under suspicious circumstances can be forfeited to the government if he can't give reasonable explanation on how those properties were acquired then it's bye bye àthe laws allow for the security agencies to ask for your source of wealth and you are compelled by law to explain your source of wealth so he can be convicted to have acquired those properties under suspicious circumstances though he might not be criminally convicted until the prosecutor can provide evidence of corruption or stealing but at least he will forfeit those properties either there is proof of wrong doing or not so long he can't explain his source of wealth 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by mechanics(m): 3:05pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
The director no try at all o, see how he has abused the privilege given to him when so many people are praying for such privilege. 1 Like |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by joinnow: 4:05pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
seized, was merely on a monthly salary of less than N500,000, yet acquired all the assets between 2016 and 2017. Nigeria home of corruption Past, Present and Future. It look like some one blew whistle. 2 Likes |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by BeeBeeOoh(m): 4:20pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
one4GOD:My dear na it be it nah |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by seunmsg(m): 4:44pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
The saddest part is that this man is still in his office carrying on as DFA of ministry of power, works and housing (works sector). 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by Smalleous: 6:49pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
simplemach:You are an idiot and youths like you are the problem Nigeria has. See very poor sense of judgement. If you don’t like Buhari, it’s not a problem for me and I’m sure nobody cares. But when issues like this come up, every Nigerian should angered and condemn the only menace that’s killing the country. When Buhari submitted the anti-money laundry bill within the first 3 months of the tenure, I thought that was when all Nigerians ought to gather on the street to pressure the Senate into passing the bill. Senate has not signed and we all want Buhari to do magic. I agree this administration hasn’t delivered, but my question is how do we expect them to deliver when we think it’s the fight of only one man and Magu. And the problem is even been compounded by youths who can’t even do simple situation analysis. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by Smalleous: 6:51pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
seunmsg: It’s sad no doubt, but the allegations have to be substantiated. I just hope he gets capital punishment at the end 1 Like |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by seunmsg(m): 7:10pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
Smalleous: I think he should be suspended immediately pending when all the allegations against him are either sustained or disproved. 2 Likes |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by tylesh(f): 8:27pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
Hedonistically:Are you a lawyer ? |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by Hedonistically: 9:51pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
jnrremedy: I doubt u are a lawyer. cos I don't understand how a lawyer will say one is not obligated to explain ones source of wealth. Pls go and read and learn more You must be quite miseducated if you think that lawyers must have a uniform opinion on any point of law. Since when did law become an exact science? If it were, then there would be no need to have lawyers on both sides (prosecutor and defendant), advancing diametrically divergent arguments. YOU should go and read and learn more, if your faculties permit. And by the way, while at it, read your law books again and tell me where suspects are obligated to explain their source of wealth TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. [Emphasis necessary]. Granted, explaining your wealth (or anything else for that matter) to law enforcement agents might help them understand you better and save you the ordeal of prosecution in court, but it is entirely optional. If you refuse to explain anything to them, they can only proceed to charge you to court on the basis of the prima facie evidence they have against you (which is bad practice, by the way). It is when you get to court that you are obligated to explain TO THE COURT (again, emphasis necessary), as part of your defence. It is only the court that is empowered by law to determine whether your explanation is satisfactory or not. This point is very very important, because law enforcement agents cannot arrest you, ask you stupid questions, and then decide whether your answers are "satisfactory" or not. That defeats the whole purpose of fair hearing in jurisprudence, as one cannot be the arresting authority, judge, jury and executioner all in one.
Again, see my above assertion. What exactly is "reasonable"? I'd there any objective criteria, stipulated by law, to determine what is reasonable? And who does the law empower to interpret what explanation is reasonable or not? We have to know how the Rule of Law works. The law does not empower individuals within law enforcement circles with the arbitrary authority to make subjective interpretations. Otherwise, there would be a million ways to twist the bounds of reason in line with personal and malicious agendas. While enforcement agencies can decide that a person's wealth was acquired under "suspicious" circumstances, they lack the power to make judgments about whether the person's explanation about the source of such wealth is "reasonable" or not. Only the courts can decide that!!!
"The law allows for the security agencies to ask for your source of wealth", TRUE. BUT.... "and you are compelled by law to explain your wealth (to security agencies)? That is a bloody lie. You must be reading your law books upside down. Many people don't know their rights, and many lawyers in this part of the world are too daft and ignorant to know the nuanced provisions, contours and extensities of the law, hence the prevalence of this fallacy. Like I mentioned earlier, YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT Agencies (key word, obligated). You can only choose to explain if you think it serves your best interest to do so, as in, it helps you avoid being detained or prosecuted. You cannot explain rubbish and then have your explanation used against you in court. Save that explanation for the courts, because that's where you are obligated to offer an explanation as part of your defence.
Now you're talking. Since you mentioned convicted, we can both agree that the security agencies cannot convict anyone. It is the court that convicts, and so it is the court that the suspect needs to make a "reasonable" explanation to, to avoid conviction. And my earlier point is that it is very easy for a decent lawyer to craft a compelling explanation that would help the obviously corrupt director escape conviction. If, at the end of the day the case rests merely on the prima facie evidence pertaining to the suspect's mere possession of properties suspected to he above his means, then a variety of creative explanations can be concocted. I can personally do this very well. But if gard evidence of guilt, acquired through diligent and painstaking investigation by the security agencies, is presented then of course it would be easier to nail the suspect and secure a conviction. This is a no-brainer. |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by Origin(f): 10:35pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
Hedonistically: Your comment is so on point. As I was reading I was expecting evidence of the trail of money. We have so many forensic accountants but its tiring to read all this kind of news. All those things are imported. How were they paid for, from which accounts, how were the accounts funded. If anyone pays cash for the abuja houses (billions of naira will still leave a trail.) True this matter is just tiring..... We have the TSA, there is a limit to a director's expenditure approval. So is it from kickbacks or is he laundering money for someone else 1 Like |
Re: Ibrahim Tumsah To Forfeit 86 Vehicles, Four Houses To FG by simplemach(m): 11:55am On Dec 15, 2017 |
Smalleous:I see and understand your level of frustration. But I have good news for you, i'm not touched one bit by your ranting, I suggest you go look for a close relative of yours on who to pour out your, hunger driven frustration, maybe there you'll get a feedback. |
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