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Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by Dan1cole(m): 8:55am On Dec 15, 2017
Mr Daddy Freeze or whatever your name is, pls tell me why it is that you people cannot criticize anything else in/concerning the Church except for things that relate to money like tithing and offering?
I mean, there are many things to talk about that many so-called Church congregations are doing and encouraging, so why not criticize and campaign against those things as well?
Why campaign against only money related matters? What do you think you'll accomplish with this campaign of yours? You actually think you are doing something good right? And those people supporting you and encouraging you to continue think that you're actually solving a problem right?
Lol... I just dey laugh you and your supporters.

How do you people expect the Church to sustain, expand and the word of God to spread without money (which can come as tithes and offerings)? Yes, no doubt many so-called men of God have abused, misused, miscommunicated and stretched the concept of tithing and giving too far; using it as a devisive means to extort from ignorant people in the Church only to make themselves richer. That I am aware of, against, and strongly condemn.
But that doesn't mean, every Pastor that encourages his/her congregation to tithe and give offerings is a thief or false Prophet. Yes the man might be rich, but then how are you sure that your tithes and offerings alone made him that rich? How much do you even give on service days? Have you considered that there are people who directly give/sow to the Pastor on a daily, weekly, monthly or yearly basis; and/or the investments the Pastor has.
I'm sure the Bible even says, "happy are the feet of those who preach the gospel". And also, Jesus certainly wasn't a poor man as well. So, I'm not against a successful Pastor. Infact I personally prefer them so.

And just to be clear, I'm not trying to defend any Pastor whatsoever here, neither am I trying to condemn/judge any, because I'm not the One that called them into ministry, nor was I there when they were called.

So, you say most of their members are poor while they (Pastors) themselves live so lavishly. Yes, I won't deny that fact. But have you investigated to find out if these so-called poor members are doing what they need to do in other to attain success and prosperity?
Yes, the church should help the poor, but for how long are they gonna be giving these so-called poor people money to take care of themselves? For how long are they gonna be spoonfed? Are they babies? Haven't you heard, "...the poor have the gospel preached to them".
Every poor man is disobedient in one area or another. Just giving money here and there doesn't guarantee prosperity or financial breakthrough like that. You have to do what is necessary in order to afford necessities. And that is why we need good teachers of God's Word in our Churches in these last days and not head pushers, deliverance ministers and seers. This is also one thing you can campaign against.

People not wanting to do what is necessary in order to afford necessities is not a today problem, people love to be handed things.
Didn't you read where after Jesus fed people with bread and fish they followed him like flies and even wanted to crown Him king, why? Simply because they wanted more free food.
Hence, this TAP challenge of your will not alliviate poverty as you think, it will only encourage laziness and laxity. Because assuming you are a smart guy, you surely know that poverty is not a physical (lack of money) issue, but a mental (lack of wisdom) issue.

People need to put their brain to work, capitalize on their talents, make the most of their opportunities in order to make money. You don't need to be currupt to make money, just be wiser, doing what is required per-time.
Many are making it in the Church and many are not. Why? Because only those willing to do what is necessary and obey principles will eat good, while the others will end up as critics in the Church.

And to supporters of Daddy Freeze, you people accuse people in the Church for following blindly, while you do the same.
Look, don't just agree with what this dude is saying without properly giving it a really good thought. Besides, I'm sure many of you his supporters are not even Christians, and I'm not even sure he himself is even born again. And if he's not a born again Christian, then I'm sure the inspiration behind this campaign of his is not of God. And if so, I'm very sorry for those who call themselves Christians supporting him.

Though I still have alot to say, I'll stop here for now.
There are alot of things to criticize in the Church, so why criticize only money related matters? Campaign against fake pastors/prophets everywhere, alien/fake doctrines etc. You can also campaign against the Government and it's terrible treatment of the people and their unfulfilled promises. Or are you afraid of the Government? Okay!
I've said enough for now, thanks for reading!

Commendations, criticism and insults are all welcome!
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by Sage7(m): 9:43am On Dec 15, 2017
Evangelism is the heartbeat of God.

Money is the vehicle for evangelism.

I have scriptures to quote but I'd keep it to myself.

To the scriptural verses to be quoted by people above and below me, y'all should know that if you quote from Genesis to Revelation it won't change a thing. It is the Holy Spirit that can give a proper insight and meaning to the word. Some people scratch the surface, come online and pour English with sweet tongues.

The Holy Spirit is the entity that can give insight, a deeper understanding and a change in that belief system.

If you don't pay tithe, don't pay. If u pay, continue. Whatever rocks your boat! If all Nigerians stop paying tithe, the work of God will stand but if you free a sheep(le) it will definitely be ripped whilst dancing with Wolves.

As for me, I will continue to give alms to the needy and I'd continue to give my offerings and tithe!

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Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by nicemuyoo: 9:57am On Dec 15, 2017
Jesus was never rich. He was a grassroot preacher. He did not have possessions. He was never rich that is false information. "The son of man has no place to lay his head". He lived on basic necessities not luxury of any form. Even though he had power to creat wealth out of nothing his mind was not set on acquiring wealth or glory of this world. As a pastor are you a hired hand paid or you do it out of love as a bride for the bridegroom??
Jesus, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Daniel, Jeremiah, Paul,Peter, James, john none of this people collected salary. They worked with their hands and on donations from people. Free will donations.

Now a simple question what gave birth to these scriptures below?? The kingdom of God has nothing to do with money a creation of man. something that would pass away and be no more.

The issue of money has been a problem since the time of Isaiah, Jeremiah. Jesus, Paul, Peter etc
Take a look at scriptures below;

“It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’” (Matthew 21:13). 
Ezekiel is of the same opinion.  He says: “Woe to the pastors who feed themselves instead of their flocks. Shouldn’t pastors feed the sheep? You eat the best food and wear the finest clothes, but you let your flocks starve.” (Ezekiel 34:2-3).  Is this not directly applicable to many of today’s highfalutin pastors?
Isaiah says: “They are as greedy as dogs, never satisfied; they are stupid pastors who only look after their own interest, each trying to get as much as he can for himself from every possible source.” (Isaiah 56:11).  Does this not accurately describe today’s pastors who use all kinds of tricks and shenanigans to fleece the flock of their hard-earned money?
9And he continued,
Mark 7:9- 13 “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observec your own traditions! 10For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’d and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’e 11But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)—12then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother.13Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”
2corin 2:17
At least we are not commercializing God's word like so many others. Instead, we speak with sincerity in the Messiah's name, like people who are sent from God and are accountable to God. 

Mark 23:14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive greater condemnation
Philip 3:17-19
7Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. 18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:19Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

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Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by PaChukwudi44(m): 10:04am On Dec 15, 2017
How do you people expect the Church to sustain, expand and the word of God to spread without money (which can come as tithes and offerings)?
2 Corinthians 9:7New International Version (NIV)

7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver


People should decide whatever they wish and fund the church.Voluntary donations has sustained the church for centuries and will continue to so.The early church in the bible did not use tithes and yet they succeeded in spreading the message.The greatest missionaries in the history of Christianity St Paul of Tarsus,Patrick of Ireland,SS Cyril and Methodius,St Francis Xavier etc did not use tithes yet they converted more people than all the private jet pastors has ever done.The notion that the church cannot survive without tithes is a fallacy

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Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by OkCornel(m): 4:01pm On Dec 15, 2017
Dan1cole:
Mr Daddy Freeze or whatever your name is, pls tell me why it is that you people cannot criticize anything else in/concerning the Church except for things that relate to money like tithing and offering?
I mean, there are many things to talk about that many so-called Church congregations are doing and encouraging, so why not criticize and campaign against those things as well?
Why campaign against only money related matters? What do you think you'll accomplish with this campaign of yours? You actually think you are doing something good right? And those people supporting you and encouraging you to continue think that you're actually solving a problem right?
Lol... I just dey laugh you and your supporters.

How do you people expect the Church to sustain, expand and the word of God to spread without money (which can come as tithes and offerings)? Yes, no doubt many so-called men of God have abused, misused, miscommunicated and stretched the concept of tithing and giving too far; using it as a devisive means to extort from ignorant people in the Church only to make themselves richer. That I am aware of, against, and strongly condemn.
But that doesn't mean, every Pastor that encourages his/her congregation to tithe and give offerings is a thief or false Prophet. Yes the man might be rich, but then how are you sure that your tithes and offerings alone made him that rich? How much do you even give on service days? Have you considered that there are people who directly give/sow to the Pastor on a daily, weekly, monthly or yearly basis; and/or the investments the Pastor has.
I'm sure the Bible even says, "happy are the feet of those who preach the gospel". And also, Jesus certainly wasn't a poor man as well. So, I'm not against a successful Pastor. Infact I personally prefer them so.

And just to be clear, I'm not trying to defend any Pastor whatsoever here, neither am I trying to condemn/judge any, because I'm not the One that called them into ministry, nor was I there when they were called.

So, you say most of their members are poor while they (Pastors) themselves live so lavishly. Yes, I won't deny that fact. But have you investigated to find out if these so-called poor members are doing what they need to do in other to attain success and prosperity?
Yes, the church should help the poor, but for how long are they gonna be giving these so-called poor people money to take care of themselves? For how long are they gonna be spoonfed? Are they babies? Haven't you heard, "...the poor have the gospel preached to them".
Every poor man is disobedient in one area or another. Just giving money here and there doesn't guarantee prosperity or financial breakthrough like that. You have to do what is necessary in order to afford necessities. And that is why we need good teachers of God's Word in our Churches in these last days and not head pushers, deliverance ministers and seers. This is also one thing you can campaign against.

People not wanting to do what is necessary in order to afford necessities is not a today problem, people love to be handed things.
Didn't you read where after Jesus fed people with bread and fish they followed him like flies and even wanted to crown Him king, why? Simply because they wanted more free food.
Hence, this TAP challenge of your will not alliviate poverty as you think, it will only encourage laziness and laxity. Because assuming you are a smart guy, you surely know that poverty is not a physical (lack of money) issue, but a mental (lack of wisdom) issue.

People need to put their brain to work, capitalize on their talents, make the most of their opportunities in order to make money. You don't need to be currupt to make money, just be wiser, doing what is required per-time.
Many are making it in the Church and many are not. Why? Because only those willing to do what is necessary and obey principles will eat good, while the others will end up as critics in the Church.

And to supporters of Daddy Freeze, you people accuse people in the Church for following blindly, while you do the same.
Look, don't just agree with what this dude is saying without properly giving it a really good thought. Besides, I'm sure many of you his supporters are not even Christians, and I'm not even sure he himself is even born again. And if he's not a born again Christian, then I'm sure the inspiration behind this campaign of his is not of God. And if so, I'm very sorry for those who call themselves Christians supporting him.

Though I still have alot to say, I'll stop here for now.
There are alot of things to criticize in the Church, so why criticize only money related matters? Campaign against fake pastors/prophets everywhere, alien/fake doctrines etc. You can also campaign against the Government and it's terrible treatment of the people and their unfulfilled promises. Or are you afraid of the Government? Okay!
I've said enough for now, thanks for reading!

Commendations, criticism and insults are all welcome!

No one is against giving to the Church for the expansion of God's kingdom. What I am against is mixing the TRUTH with lies to scam people into parting with 10% of their monetary income as tithe whereas, God gave instructions to Moses that 10% of Harvested crops and livestock is the tithe...NOT MONEY (SILVER & GOLD)

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Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by SweetJoystick(m): 4:30pm On Dec 15, 2017
Freeze and his flock isn't against offering. Stop telling lies, he only condemns tithe which is fraud

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Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by Dan1cole(m): 4:38pm On Dec 15, 2017
OkCornel:


No one is against giving to the Church for the expansion of God's kingdom. What I am against is mixing the TRUTH with lies to scam people into parting with 10% of their monetary income as tithe whereas, God gave instructions to Moses that 10% of Harvested crops and livestock is the tithe...NOT MONEY (SILVER & GOLD)
Lol... Pls, tell me how do we give livestock and crops in this mordern age?
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by Dan1cole(m): 4:41pm On Dec 15, 2017
SweetJoystick:
Freeze and his flock isn't against offering. Stop telling lies, he only condemns tithe which is fraud
How can a man who is not even born again be telling you what is right and what is not right in the sight of God?
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by OkCornel(m): 4:44pm On Dec 15, 2017
Dan1cole:

Lol... Pls, tell me how do we give livestock and crops in this mordern age?

That explains why Jesus has fulfilled the Law (Old Covenant) and replaced it with the Grace and Unconditional LOVE (New Covenant).

Under the new covenant, the basis for separating the goats from sheeps is sacrificial giving as per Matthew 25 v 31-46.

Tithing is obsolete in line with current realities...but sacrificial giving can never be irrelevant and would always stand the test of time either in the past, present and future.


Your question should also make you think further that the following people in Israel never paid tithes;
1) Levites
2) Widows
3) Orphans
4) Fishermen, Carpenters e.t.c. (whose source of income was not from the Farm or Livestocks)

In addition, also ask yourself why the standard for tithing never changed from foodstuffs to gold and silver or money before and after the glorious era of Solomon.

Cheers.
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by OkCornel(m): 4:45pm On Dec 15, 2017
Dan1cole:

How can a man who is not even born again be telling you what is right and what is not right in the sight of God?

How do you know he's not born again?
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by OkCornel(m): 4:46pm On Dec 15, 2017
MATTHEW 25 Vs 31-46

The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.

32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,

36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?

38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?

39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me
.’


41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,

43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”



I have checked these verses...and it doesn't state that God would check anyone's tithe payment records...rather, your LOVE for God expressed through charitable courses to Humanity (with a good motive - i.e. giving glory to God and showing the unconditional love of Jesus) is what qualifies you for the Kingdom of Heaven.

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Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by Dan1cole(m): 4:56pm On Dec 15, 2017
SweetJoystick:
Freeze and his flock isn't against offering. Stop telling lies, he only condemns tithe which is fraud
why don't they condemn other things non-money related?
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by Dan1cole(m): 4:59pm On Dec 15, 2017
OkCornel:
MATTHEW 25 Vs 31-46

The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.

32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,

36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?

38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?

39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me
.’


41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,

43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”



I have checked these verses...and it doesn't state that God would check anyone's tithe payment records...rather, your LOVE for God expressed through charitable courses to Humanity (with a good motive - i.e. giving glory to God and showing the unconditional love of Jesus) is what qualifies you for the Kingdom of Heaven.

The tithe was never purposed to qualify someone for heaven, it was designed to for earthly prosperity.
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by Dan1cole(m): 5:02pm On Dec 15, 2017
PaChukwudi44:

2 Corinthians 9:7New International Version (NIV)

7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver


People should decide whatever they wish and fund the church.Voluntary donations has sustained the church for centuries and will continue to so.The early church in the bible did not use tithes and yet they succeeded in spreading the message.The greatest missionaries in the history of Christianity St Paul of Tarsus,Patrick of Ireland,SS Cyril and Methodius,St Francis Xavier etc did not use tithes yet they converted more people than all the private jet pastors has ever done.The notion that the church cannot survive without tithes is a fallacy
People who talk like this are hardly donors themselves.
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by OkCornel(m): 5:12pm On Dec 15, 2017
Dan1cole:

The tithe was never purposed to qualify someone for heaven, it was designed to for earthly prosperity.

Who did God give instructions to tithe? the Israelites or the whole world?

Did the gentile Christians in the time of the Apostles pay tithes to prosper on earth?

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Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by Dan1cole(m): 5:12pm On Dec 15, 2017
nicemuyoo:
Jesus was never rich. He was a grassroot preacher. He did not have possessions. He was never rich that is false information. "The son of man has no place to lay his head". He lived on basic necessities not luxury of any form.
Err ... Jesus was never a grassroot preacher. And poor men don't have accountants. Neither can a poor man sustain 12 men. And also, no one leaves his day job to follow a poor man (who has nothing to offer).

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Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by OkCornel(m): 5:26pm On Dec 15, 2017
Dan1cole:

Err ... Jesus was never a grassroot preacher. And poor men don't have accountants. Neither can a poor man sustain 12 men. And also, no one leaves his day job to follow a poor man (who has nothing to offer).

Jesus was the richest man who ever lived...not because of the silver and gold he might have had in the custody of Judas.

If Jesus could multiply food, and tell a fisherman in Peter where to cast his net and harvest a net breaking catch of fishes.
If Jesus could get coin from the mouth of a fish to pay tax
If Jesus could turn water into wine

What the heck does he really need to carry a sack of gold and silver for?

Complete dependence on Jehovah Jireh for divine provisions and wisdom to do the right thing is what makes a man rich. Not necessarily your bank account balance

Cheers

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Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by Dan1cole(m): 5:36pm On Dec 15, 2017
nicemuyoo:
Even though he had power to creat wealth out of nothing his mind was not set on acquiring wealth or glory of this world.
As a pastor are you a hired hand paid or you do it out of love as a bride for the bridegroom??
Jesus, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Daniel, Jeremiah, Paul,Peter, James, john none of this people collected salary. They worked with their hands and on donations from people. Free will donations.

Now a simple question what gave birth to these scriptures below?? The kingdom of God has nothing to do with money a creation of man. something that would pass away and be no more.

The issue of money has been a problem since the time of Isaiah, Jeremiah. Jesus, Paul, Peter etc
Agreed! He had power to create wealth, but that wasn't his assignment.
Pastors are to do their job out of love, but that doesn't mean they are to starve to death or be poverty stricken.
Nobody is forcing anybody to give or tithe either.
Like my pastor would say, 'keep your money in your pocket and see if I will not be richer'.
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by Dan1cole(m): 5:37pm On Dec 15, 2017
OkCornel:


Jesus was the richest man who ever lived...not because of the silver and gold he might have had in the custody of Judas.

If Jesus could multiply food, and tell a fisherman in Peter where to cast his net and harvest a net breaking catch of fishes.
If Jesus could get coin from the mouth of a fish to pay tax
If Jesus could turn water into wine

What the heck does he really need to carry a sack of gold and silver for?

Complete dependence on Jehovah Jireh for divine provisions and wisdom to do the right thing is what makes a man rich. Not necessarily your bank account balance

Cheers
agreed
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by Dan1cole(m): 5:39pm On Dec 15, 2017
OkCornel:


Who did God give instructions to tithe? the Israelites or the whole world?

Did the gentile Christians in the time of the Apostles pay tithes to prosper on earth?
How many of the apostles were recorded in the new testament to be as wealthy as Isaac?
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by OkCornel(m): 5:42pm On Dec 15, 2017
Dan1cole:

How many of the apostles were recorded in the new testament to be as wealthy as Isaac?

In terms of gold and silver, absolutely none of them I can remember of.

True wealth is not measured by temporary gold and silver that is subject to decay.

True wealth comes from dependence on Jehovah Jireh...and your God given talents utilized in line with the will of THE ALMIGHTY

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Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by Dan1cole(m): 5:42pm On Dec 15, 2017
OkCornel:


That explains why Jesus has fulfilled the Law (Old Covenant) and replaced it with the Grace and Unconditional LOVE (New Covenant).

Under the new covenant, the basis for separating the goats from sheeps is sacrificial giving as per Matthew 25 v 31-46.

Tithing is obsolete in line with current realities...but sacrificial giving can never be irrelevant and would always stand the test of time either in the past, present and future.


Your question should also make you think further that the following people in Israel never paid tithes;
1) Levites
2) Widows
3) Orphans
4) Fishermen, Carpenters e.t.c. (whose source of income was not from the Farm or Livestocks)

In addition, also ask yourself why the standard for tithing never changed from foodstuffs to gold and silver or money before and after the glorious era of Solomon.

Cheers.


The idea of tithing is not of the law... Remember, Abraham and Isaac tithed and the law came from Moses.

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Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by OkCornel(m): 5:45pm On Dec 15, 2017
Dan1cole:

The idea of tithing is not of the law... Remember, Abraham and Isaac tithed and the law came from Moses.

Even the idea of animal sacrifice did not come with the Law...if Jesus never opened his mouth to condemn animal sacrifice...why are we not doing it today?

The answer to this question should answer your question on the relevance of tithing crops and livestock (and not money which is rather unscriptural) in today's realities.

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Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by Dan1cole(m): 5:56pm On Dec 15, 2017
OkCornel:


In terms of gold and silver, absolutely none of them I can remember of.

True wealth is not measured by temporary gold and silver that is subject to decay.

True wealth comes from dependence on Jehovah Jireh...and your God given talents utilized in line with the will of THE ALMIGHTY
Prosperity is not just a function of how much you have physically, yes, but how much you have physically is evidence of your prosperity.
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by Dan1cole(m): 6:01pm On Dec 15, 2017
OkCornel:


Even the idea of animal sacrifice did not come with the Law...if Jesus never opened his mouth to condemn animal sacrifice...why are we not doing it today?

The answer to this question should answer your question on the relevance of tithing crops and livestock (and not money which is rather unscriptural) in today's realities.
Jesus never condemned animal sacrifice, he abolished it when he died and resurrected. There was no more need to spill animal blood given that Jesus' blood had been spilled for all.
And again, you can't tithe crops and livestock in this mordern era, you tithe in money instead.
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by LaaJiblik: 6:10pm On Dec 15, 2017
Dan1cole:
Mr Daddy Freeze or whatever your name is, pls tell me why it is that you people cannot criticize anything else in/concerning the Church except for things that relate to money like tithing and offering?
I mean, there are many things to talk about that many so-called Church congregations are doing and encouraging, so why not criticize and campaign against those things as well?
Why campaign against only money related matters? What do you think you'll accomplish with this campaign of yours? You actually think you are doing something good right? And those people supporting you and encouraging you to continue think that you're actually solving a problem right?
Lol... I just dey laugh you and your supporters.

How do you people expect the Church to sustain, expand and the word of God to spread without money (which can come as tithes and offerings)? Yes, no doubt many so-called men of God have abused, misused, miscommunicated and stretched the concept of tithing and giving too far; using it as a devisive means to extort from ignorant people in the Church only to make themselves richer. That I am aware of, against, and strongly condemn.
But that doesn't mean, every Pastor that encourages his/her congregation to tithe and give offerings is a thief or false Prophet. Yes the man might be rich, but then how are you sure that your tithes and offerings alone made him that rich? How much do you even give on service days? Have you considered that there are people who directly give/sow to the Pastor on a daily, weekly, monthly or yearly basis; and/or the investments the Pastor has.
I'm sure the Bible even says, "happy are the feet of those who preach the gospel". And also, Jesus certainly wasn't a poor man as well. So, I'm not against a successful Pastor. Infact I personally prefer them so.

And just to be clear, I'm not trying to defend any Pastor whatsoever here, neither am I trying to condemn/judge any, because I'm not the One that called them into ministry, nor was I there when they were called.

So, you say most of their members are poor while they (Pastors) themselves live so lavishly. Yes, I won't deny that fact. But have you investigated to find out if these so-called poor members are doing what they need to do in other to attain success and prosperity?
Yes, the church should help the poor, but for how long are they gonna be giving these so-called poor people money to take care of themselves? For how long are they gonna be spoonfed? Are they babies? Haven't you heard, "...the poor have the gospel preached to them".
Every poor man is disobedient in one area or another. Just giving money here and there doesn't guarantee prosperity or financial breakthrough like that. You have to do what is necessary in order to afford necessities. And that is why we need good teachers of God's Word in our Churches in these last days and not head pushers, deliverance ministers and seers. This is also one thing you can campaign against.

People not wanting to do what is necessary in order to afford necessities is not a today problem, people love to be handed things.
Didn't you read where after Jesus fed people with bread and fish they followed him like flies and even wanted to crown Him king, why? Simply because they wanted more free food.
Hence, this TAP challenge of your will not alliviate poverty as you think, it will only encourage laziness and laxity. Because assuming you are a smart guy, you surely know that poverty is not a physical (lack of money) issue, but a mental (lack of wisdom) issue.

People need to put their brain to work, capitalize on their talents, make the most of their opportunities in order to make money. You don't need to be currupt to make money, just be wiser, doing what is required per-time.
Many are making it in the Church and many are not. Why? Because only those willing to do what is necessary and obey principles will eat good, while the others will end up as critics in the Church.

And to supporters of Daddy Freeze, you people accuse people in the Church for following blindly, while you do the same.
Look, don't just agree with what this dude is saying without properly giving it a really good thought. Besides, I'm sure many of you his supporters are not even Christians, and I'm not even sure he himself is even born again. And if he's not a born again Christian, then I'm sure the inspiration behind this campaign of his is not of God. And if so, I'm very sorry for those who call themselves Christians supporting him.

Though I still have alot to say, I'll stop here for now.
There are alot of things to criticize in the Church, so why criticize only money related matters? Campaign against fake pastors/prophets everywhere, alien/fake doctrines etc. You can also campaign against the Government and it's terrible treatment of the people and their unfulfilled promises. Or are you afraid of the Government? Okay!
I've said enough for now, thanks for reading!

Commendations, criticism and insults are all welcome!


PART 1:
A TRIVIAL EMERGENCY
I come to you again in the name of the Lord, with the word of the Lord and comfort of the Spirit to address a raging storm that has been created from the waves of curiosity, disenchantment and consternation which have gained momentum in the body of Christ especially in Nigeria in the last few months. Yes, little waves have aggregated into a huge storm which must now be addressed. I have paid rapt attention to the ongoing debate that has literally polarized the body of Christ. I am doing this because of the responsibility the Great One has placed on me for all those who partake of our ministry. What is even more interesting is that this matter is actually a very trivial one in light of the revelation position of the Spirit with respect to the core operation of the kingdom. This matter is captured in one word: TITHE!
The caption of this piece ‘A TRIVIAL EMERGENCY’ is actually an oxymoron because something cannot be both trivial and an emergency at the same time. However, this is sadly the case in the church right now. That something as trivial as tithe has become a hot topic matter; so hot that it is already burning down more solemn matters within the body of Christ in Nigeria and the rest of the world. So let’s get right to it.
WHAT IS TITHE?
Tithe simply means one-tenth or ten percent of material possessions. The first mention of it in the entire Bible is in Genesis 14:20 and the first person to do it is the father of faith himself: Abraham. Abraham (Who was known as Abram at this time) gave a tenth of all the possessions he acquired after defeating kings whom he took on in battle to a rather strange King called Melchizedek. King Melchizedek blessed Abram upon meeting him and Abram gave him ten percent of all he had taken in battle.
Very little was known about King Melchizedek at the time of his encounter with Abram. The only information on him was that he was the king of Salem and a priest of the Most High God (Genesis 14:18) – he was both king and priest. After this encounter, King Melchizedek did nothing else again throughout the Old Testament except in Psalm 110:4 in which David mentioned him by inspiration. If the Bible were a song, King Melchizedek’s character is less than one-thousandth of the line of a stanza. So much mystery, mystique and ambiguity enshrouded the person of King Melchizedek that it would take tens of centuries for light to be finally shed on him.
KING MELCHIZEDEK AND TITHE
Light is finally shed on the person of King Melchizedek in the passage below:
For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated "king of righteousness," and then also king of Salem, meaning "king of peace,” without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually. NOW CONSIDER HOW GREAT THIS MAN WAS, TO WHOM EVEN THE PATRIARCH ABRAHAM GAVE A TENTH OF THE SPOILS. AND INDEED THOSE WHO ARE OF THE SONS OF LEVI, WHO RECEIVE THE PRIESTHOOD, HAVE A COMMANDMENT TO RECEIVE TITHES FROM THE PEOPLE ACCORDING TO THE LAW, THAT IS, FROM THEIR BRETHREN, THOUGH THEY HAVE COME FROM THE LOINS OF ABRAHAM; BUT HE WHOSE GENEALOGY IS NOT DERIVED FROM THEM RECEIVED TITHES FROM ABRAHAM AND BLESSED HIM WHO HAD THE PROMISES. NOW BEYOND ALL CONTRADICTION THE LESSER IS BLESSED BY THE BETTER. HERE MORTAL MEN RECEIVE TITHES, BUT THERE HE RECEIVES THEM, OF WHOM IT IS WITNESSED THAT HE LIVES. EVEN LEVI, WHO RECEIVES TITHES, PAID TITHES THROUGH ABRAHAM, SO TO SPEAK, FOR HE WAS STILL IN THE LOINS OF HIS FATHER WHEN MELCHIZEDEK MET HIM.
(Hebrews 7:1-10, NKJV, emphasis added)
First and foremost, the law came through Moses and Moses was a descendant of Abraham. Abraham gave tithe to King Melchizedek centuries before Moses was born and the law was given. So tithe is not an issue of the law as it clearly predates the law. Abraham did not live under the law either. As a matter of fact the Bible establishes in Genesis 15:6 (corroborated by Romans 4:1-4) that Abraham believed God and it was accounted to Him for righteousness. Note that Abraham became righteous (Genesis 15) right after encountering Melchizedek (Genesis 14) who is called king of righteousness in the passage above. It was impossible to be righteous under the law and it is only possible to be righteous under grace. Abraham became righteous because he met a monarch who was both custodian and dispenser of righteousness. So Abraham lived under grace. It is true that the concept of tithe was applied in the law through the Levitical priesthood. But to fully understand tithe, we must go back to its origin which is definitely not the law but under the auspices of grace. So we shall consider this matter on this foundational premise.
Second, the Old Testament is a shadow of the New. Long before the Levitical priesthood was established, the Melchizedek priesthood was in operation. When Jesus set up His priesthood, He modeled it after the order of Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 7:17). Why? This was because the Melchizedek priesthood which was built on the power of an endless life was far superior to the Levitical priesthood which was built on the law of a fleshly, dead commandment (Hebrews 7:15). Why again? This is because the greater always blesses the lesser – Abraham was blessed by King Melchizedek because King Melchizedek was greater than him which Abraham duly acknowledged by submitting himself to be blessed. The Levitical priesthood came through Abraham, thus, was far inferior in structure and substance to the Melchizedek priesthood. So just the way the Levitical priesthood collected tithes from the people under the law, the Melchizedek priesthood collected tithe from Abraham before (and/or above) the law – and if you will, under the auspices of grace even though it was under the Old Covenant. This was God giving mankind a foretaste of the things to come in Christ through Abraham!
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by LaaJiblik: 6:11pm On Dec 15, 2017
Dan1cole:
Mr Daddy Freeze or whatever your name is, pls tell me why it is that you people cannot criticize anything else in/concerning the Church except for things that relate to money like tithing and offering?
I mean, there are many things to talk about that many so-called Church congregations are doing and encouraging, so why not criticize and campaign against those things as well?
Why campaign against only money related matters? What do you think you'll accomplish with this campaign of yours? You actually think you are doing something good right? And those people supporting you and encouraging you to continue think that you're actually solving a problem right?
Lol... I just dey laugh you and your supporters.

How do you people expect the Church to sustain, expand and the word of God to spread without money (which can come as tithes and offerings)? Yes, no doubt many so-called men of God have abused, misused, miscommunicated and stretched the concept of tithing and giving too far; using it as a devisive means to extort from ignorant people in the Church only to make themselves richer. That I am aware of, against, and strongly condemn.
But that doesn't mean, every Pastor that encourages his/her congregation to tithe and give offerings is a thief or false Prophet. Yes the man might be rich, but then how are you sure that your tithes and offerings alone made him that rich? How much do you even give on service days? Have you considered that there are people who directly give/sow to the Pastor on a daily, weekly, monthly or yearly basis; and/or the investments the Pastor has.
I'm sure the Bible even says, "happy are the feet of those who preach the gospel". And also, Jesus certainly wasn't a poor man as well. So, I'm not against a successful Pastor. Infact I personally prefer them so.

And just to be clear, I'm not trying to defend any Pastor whatsoever here, neither am I trying to condemn/judge any, because I'm not the One that called them into ministry, nor was I there when they were called.

So, you say most of their members are poor while they (Pastors) themselves live so lavishly. Yes, I won't deny that fact. But have you investigated to find out if these so-called poor members are doing what they need to do in other to attain success and prosperity?
Yes, the church should help the poor, but for how long are they gonna be giving these so-called poor people money to take care of themselves? For how long are they gonna be spoonfed? Are they babies? Haven't you heard, "...the poor have the gospel preached to them".
Every poor man is disobedient in one area or another. Just giving money here and there doesn't guarantee prosperity or financial breakthrough like that. You have to do what is necessary in order to afford necessities. And that is why we need good teachers of God's Word in our Churches in these last days and not head pushers, deliverance ministers and seers. This is also one thing you can campaign against.

People not wanting to do what is necessary in order to afford necessities is not a today problem, people love to be handed things.
Didn't you read where after Jesus fed people with bread and fish they followed him like flies and even wanted to crown Him king, why? Simply because they wanted more free food.
Hence, this TAP challenge of your will not alliviate poverty as you think, it will only encourage laziness and laxity. Because assuming you are a smart guy, you surely know that poverty is not a physical (lack of money) issue, but a mental (lack of wisdom) issue.

People need to put their brain to work, capitalize on their talents, make the most of their opportunities in order to make money. You don't need to be currupt to make money, just be wiser, doing what is required per-time.
Many are making it in the Church and many are not. Why? Because only those willing to do what is necessary and obey principles will eat good, while the others will end up as critics in the Church.

And to supporters of Daddy Freeze, you people accuse people in the Church for following blindly, while you do the same.
Look, don't just agree with what this dude is saying without properly giving it a really good thought. Besides, I'm sure many of you his supporters are not even Christians, and I'm not even sure he himself is even born again. And if he's not a born again Christian, then I'm sure the inspiration behind this campaign of his is not of God. And if so, I'm very sorry for those who call themselves Christians supporting him.

Though I still have alot to say, I'll stop here for now.
There are alot of things to criticize in the Church, so why criticize only money related matters? Campaign against fake pastors/prophets everywhere, alien/fake doctrines etc. You can also campaign against the Government and it's terrible treatment of the people and their unfulfilled promises. Or are you afraid of the Government? Okay!
I've said enough for now, thanks for reading!

Commendations, criticism and insults are all welcome!




Part 2:WHY DID ABRAHAM PAY TITHE TO KING MELCHIZEDEK?
It worthy of note that in the sequence of events that led to Abraham giving tithe to King Melchizedek, King Melchizedek blessed Abraham before Abraham gave him tithe and not after. Why is this important? This is because King Melchizedek’s blessing of Abraham was not an atmospheric reaction to Abraham’s giving; it was a preemptive, unconditional gesture of goodwill (very consistent with the operation of God in the New Covenant). Abraham’s tithe did not inspire the blessing, the blessing inspired Abraham’s tithe.
So what was the blessing that King Melchizedek pronounced on Abraham? It was thus:

"Blessed be Abram of God Most High,
POSSESSOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH;
And blessed be God Most High,
Who has delivered your enemies into your hand."
(Genesis 14:19-20, NKJV, emphasis added)
Note the phrases: God Most High and possessor of heaven and earth. God Most High means the greatest and the most exalted God. Possessor of heaven and earth means God owned and still owns heaven and everything in it and the earth and everything in it. This also means He lacks nothing and needs nothing. Possessor means owner. And owner is what the word LORD means. King Melchizedek simply revealed the Lordship of God to Abraham. It was by the sheer force of this revelation that Abraham gave a tithe of all that he had at the moment. Abraham’s tithe was not merely him parting ways with ten percent of his possessions out of obligation or emotion, it was him deeply and sturdily acknowledging the lordship, ownership, and if you will, possessorship of God who owned everything in heaven and earth including him. The role of the priest in the Old Testament was to act as intermediary between man and God. So Abraham giving ten percent to King Melchizedek was him giving to God knowing full well that God owned him and his remaining 90%.
How do I know that Abraham submitted to God’s lordship as presented by King Melchizedek?
Simple.
Shortly after meeting King Melchizedek, Abraham met with the king of Sodom who made a rather strange proposal to him to which Abraham replied thus:
Now the king of Sodom said to Abram, "Give me the persons, and take the goods for yourself." But Abram said to the king of Sodom, "I HAVE RAISED MY HAND TO THE LORD, GOD MOST HIGH, THE POSSESSOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, that I will take nothing, from a thread to a sandal strap, and that I will not take anything that is yours, lest you should say, 'I have made Abram rich' — except only what the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men who went with me: Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion." (Genesis 14:21-24, NKJV)
From the passage above, you can see Abraham quoting King Melchizedek verbatim. Abraham took it to the next level by saying I HAVE RAISED MY HAND TO THE LORD… The phrase I have raised my hand is what the Hebrew word YADAH means from which the name Judah is taken. Yadah means to lift one’s hand in surrender which is loosely translated as praise and/or worship. This is because to praise and/or worship God effectively with our being and substance, a revelation of His most highness and lordship must be caught. So the phrase I HAVE RAISED MY HAND TO THE LORD means I have acknowledged the lordship of God. And if you have acknowledged and submitted to the lordship of God, it means He does not only own you and ten percent of your possession but owns you and hundred percent of your possession. It was with this understanding that Abraham gave.
Jesus, who is our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek, would eventually come not from the tribe of Levi but from the tribe of Judah as a consequence of this. The tribe of Judah never had a single soul who ever offered anything on the altar to God in priesthood throughout the Old Testament. The tribe of Levi by designation took charge of the priesthood under the law. Why did God bring Jesus from the tribe of Judah? This was because much more than the throne that was its lot, the revelation of God’s lordship was embodied by it. The Levitical priesthood did not obviously do a good job in presenting the lordship of God. (Hebrews 7:13-14)
WHY TITHE SHOULD NOT BE STUDIED IN THE LAW ALONE
The reason is simple: tithe is not original with the law. It was borrowed and applied in the law. And with the law the Bible clearly says:
…for the law made nothing perfect … (Hebrews 7:19, NKJV)
This was why tithe under the law was degraded from a solid revelation of the lordship of God to a commandment and an obligation. So people obeyed as a matter of routine obligation and not deep-seated revelation of God’s lordship. Thus, losing its essence.


WHAT THEN IS THE ESSENCE OF TITHE?
Tithe means ten percent but its essence is deeper than that. This is because Abraham did not give tithe in obedience to some command from God; he gave because he caught a deep revelation of God’s lordship stretching from heaven, to earth, to him and all he had. He understood God owned heaven hundred percent; earth hundred percent; him and everything he had hundred percent.
IS TITHE A NEW TESTAMENT OBLIGATION?
Well, this is a very wrong question. To answer this, we need to correct the question first. This is because there are no obligations in the New Testament. God was not accessible on a personal level under the law therefore people could not build personal relationships with Him. He reached out to the people on a general note through mass laws and obligations. In the New Testament, anyone who believes in Him and acknowledges His lordship is given private access to Him and corporate connection to His church. After releasing His life to regenerate a person at salvation, He works through the Holy Spirit to present and establish one thing only: HIS LORDSHIP. Anyone, who, like Abraham, catches and submits to the revelation of His lordship understands they are His steward (Titus 1:7). A steward is not an owner but a manager. A steward does not personally own anything but has access to everything. It is like being the president of a country. The president of America is a steward of America’s wealth and power. He has access to all of America’s wealth and power but does not personally own them. He does not need to worry about his personal needs because they are being taken care of by the commonwealth of his nation. The president of America can give money and other favours to other countries on behalf of his country within the ambit of the laws guiding the extent of the exercise of the powers of his office. If the American president uses his nation’s commonwealth for his personal aggrandizement he is liable to being punished because he has abused his power.
GIVING AND THE LORDSHIP OF JESUS CHRIST
As stewards of God, we have access to all of God’s riches even though He owns everything including us. This means every resource that comes to our hands is not primarily ours to claim, it is the Lords. This revelation can only be caught in deep and consistent communion with God. The revelation of the lordship is not received in one contact. It is received and ingested on incremental basis. God gradually teaches us about His lordship and empowers us by His Spirit to respond accordingly. Oh, yes, no one can catch a revelation of the lordship of Jesus Christ except it is given them by the Holy Spirit. The Bible says
…no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:3, NKJV)
In very deed, no one can acknowledge the lordship of Jesus Christ except by the enablement of the Holy Spirit!
Anyone who therefore acknowledges the lordship of Jesus Christ knows that they do not own anything as everything they own and who they are belong to Him. So when they give to His cause, they do not do so out of obligation but in submission to His lordship. This brings great pleasure to Him and this is really what worship is: any action or inaction that brings pleasure to God.
Giving is a proof of love. You can’t love someone without giving to them. God Himself loved us and that was why He gave His only begotten son (John 3:16). So you can’t say you love God and not give back to Him (His cause.) Just like Abraham gave after he was blessed by Melchizedek; so also do we not give to be blessed but we are blessed so we give.
The law in the Old Testament has been replaced by the government of God in the New Testament the administrator of which is the Holy Spirit. In the New Testament the Holy Spirit teaches us how to obey God in every step of the way as we execute His will on earth.
TITHE AND GIVING
The journey of Abraham’s giving did not stop at ten percent. It progressed to 100%! When he gave ten percent that was the beginning of the journey. It was not the best he could do but it was a step in the right direction. He grew in his walk with God that God demanded for 100% - Isaac, the son of promise whom he waited twenty-five years to have and upon whom the future of his lineage depended. But because he had grown well in walking with God and acknowledging his lordship, he knew even Isaac belonged to God. It was very hard, no doubt. This was definitely hundred percent! This means ten percent is actually elementary!
Giving should be love-motivated not dividend-inspired. You do not give to receive anything from God; you should give because you love Him and accept His lordship over your life. Giving to God is not some investment decision in which you expect a handsome return on. No, it is all about love for God and unreserved acceptance of His lordship.
So should a New Testament believer give ten percent? This question is rhetorical so the answer is equally rhetorical: every believer is required to give hundred percent (which is achieved through consistent acknowledgement and submission to the lordship of Christ). Ten percent is merely a minimum as it was with Abraham. So you see, the focus should not be ten percent but hundred percent.
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by LaaJiblik: 6:12pm On Dec 15, 2017
Dan1cole:
Mr Daddy Freeze or whatever your name is, pls tell me why it is that you people cannot criticize anything else in/concerning the Church except for things that relate to money like tithing and offering?
I mean, there are many things to talk about that many so-called Church congregations are doing and encouraging, so why not criticize and campaign against those things as well?
Why campaign against only money related matters? What do you think you'll accomplish with this campaign of yours? You actually think you are doing something good right? And those people supporting you and encouraging you to continue think that you're actually solving a problem right?
Lol... I just dey laugh you and your supporters.

How do you people expect the Church to sustain, expand and the word of God to spread without money (which can come as tithes and offerings)? Yes, no doubt many so-called men of God have abused, misused, miscommunicated and stretched the concept of tithing and giving too far; using it as a devisive means to extort from ignorant people in the Church only to make themselves richer. That I am aware of, against, and strongly condemn.
But that doesn't mean, every Pastor that encourages his/her congregation to tithe and give offerings is a thief or false Prophet. Yes the man might be rich, but then how are you sure that your tithes and offerings alone made him that rich? How much do you even give on service days? Have you considered that there are people who directly give/sow to the Pastor on a daily, weekly, monthly or yearly basis; and/or the investments the Pastor has.
I'm sure the Bible even says, "happy are the feet of those who preach the gospel". And also, Jesus certainly wasn't a poor man as well. So, I'm not against a successful Pastor. Infact I personally prefer them so.

And just to be clear, I'm not trying to defend any Pastor whatsoever here, neither am I trying to condemn/judge any, because I'm not the One that called them into ministry, nor was I there when they were called.

So, you say most of their members are poor while they (Pastors) themselves live so lavishly. Yes, I won't deny that fact. But have you investigated to find out if these so-called poor members are doing what they need to do in other to attain success and prosperity?
Yes, the church should help the poor, but for how long are they gonna be giving these so-called poor people money to take care of themselves? For how long are they gonna be spoonfed? Are they babies? Haven't you heard, "...the poor have the gospel preached to them".
Every poor man is disobedient in one area or another. Just giving money here and there doesn't guarantee prosperity or financial breakthrough like that. You have to do what is necessary in order to afford necessities. And that is why we need good teachers of God's Word in our Churches in these last days and not head pushers, deliverance ministers and seers. This is also one thing you can campaign against.

People not wanting to do what is necessary in order to afford necessities is not a today problem, people love to be handed things.
Didn't you read where after Jesus fed people with bread and fish they followed him like flies and even wanted to crown Him king, why? Simply because they wanted more free food.
Hence, this TAP challenge of your will not alliviate poverty as you think, it will only encourage laziness and laxity. Because assuming you are a smart guy, you surely know that poverty is not a physical (lack of money) issue, but a mental (lack of wisdom) issue.

People need to put their brain to work, capitalize on their talents, make the most of their opportunities in order to make money. You don't need to be currupt to make money, just be wiser, doing what is required per-time.
Many are making it in the Church and many are not. Why? Because only those willing to do what is necessary and obey principles will eat good, while the others will end up as critics in the Church.

And to supporters of Daddy Freeze, you people accuse people in the Church for following blindly, while you do the same.
Look, don't just agree with what this dude is saying without properly giving it a really good thought. Besides, I'm sure many of you his supporters are not even Christians, and I'm not even sure he himself is even born again. And if he's not a born again Christian, then I'm sure the inspiration behind this campaign of his is not of God. And if so, I'm very sorry for those who call themselves Christians supporting him.

Though I still have alot to say, I'll stop here for now.
There are alot of things to criticize in the Church, so why criticize only money related matters? Campaign against fake pastors/prophets everywhere, alien/fake doctrines etc. You can also campaign against the Government and it's terrible treatment of the people and their unfulfilled promises. Or are you afraid of the Government? Okay!
I've said enough for now, thanks for reading!

Commendations, criticism and insults are all welcome!



Part 3:
WHAT IS HUNDRED PERCENT?
We achieve hundred percent giving when we have grown in our acknowledgement and submission to the lordship of Christ; when the Lord can demand anything from us. This is when we fully become stewards of God. At this point we stop seeing anything as ours but His. That you give does not make you a steward. As long as you still lay claim to things and/or resources given to you by God as your own, you are yet to step into stewardship. Stewardship is the highest level of kingdom resource management. Giving ten percent does not make us stewards; giving our Isaac does! God dared ask Abraham for Isaac because He knew Abraham had the capacity to give up Isaac.
THE EARLY CHURCH DID NOT GIVE TITHE?
I laugh each time I hear this. Now let’s consider this together:
Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; NEITHER DID ANYONE SAY THAT ANY OF THE THINGS HE POSSESSED WAS HIS OWN, but they had all things in common. And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; FOR ALL WHO WERE POSSESSORS OF LANDS OR HOUSES SOLD THEM, AND BROUGHT THE PROCEEDS OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SOLD, AND LAID THEM AT THE APOSTLES' FEET; AND THEY DISTRIBUTED TO EACH AS ANYONE HAD NEED. (Acts 4:32-35, NKJV, emphasis added)
I hope the highlighted portions of the passage above are clear enough? One word comes to mind after reading this: STEWARDSHIP! The church was young at the time, but their understanding of Christ’s lordship was very mature. They had stepped into stewardship so there was no need for tithe because they gave more than ten percent! Some of them gave hundred percent.
THE DISTRIBUTION OF RESSOURCES AT THE APOSTLES’ FEET
All donations were submitted at the apostles’ feet not because the apostles were the intermediaries between God and the believers but because of the authority structure instituted by God Himself in the church. In the New Testament, we all have equal access to God. God has set up leadership within the church for order. So the leaders are saddled with the responsibility of administering the resources so that believers don’t starve both spiritually and materially. This is not socialism, this is stewardship!
The problem we have today is that the resources dropped at the apostles’ feet are not being faithfully distributed by stewards but are being malignantly handled by hirelings and wolves. This is the bone of contention in many quarters today where those saddled with the responsibility of distributing the resources are helping themselves massively to them without compunction. Such people have one lord: their belly! Hence, the uproar by some aggrieved people who declare bitterly that resources should not be dropped at the apostles’ feet altogether. As painful as this is, only God can judge his own and clean his church. Abuse is no excuse for apathy. That there are ministers out there who are out to use God’s riches for personal aggrandizement does not mean we should not be committed to His stewardship. After all, as believers, we study the Bible not the imperfections or crookedness of people!

IS A BELIEVER UNDER ANY CURSE FOR NOT TITHING?
Tithe under the law was an obligation and as we have established already, its origin is not the law but the foretaste of grace under which Abraham lived. Tithe was not an obligation; it was an expression of the acknowledgement and acceptance of the lordship of God. Anyone in |Christ cannot be under the curse of the law. So, no, not tithing does not attract any curse from God. But again, you cannot really say you love God and not cheerfully give everything you are and have to Him.
IS PROSPERITY TIED TO TITHING?
The answer is a thunderous NO! We prosper because first we are blessed of God (spiritual prosperity) and second, when we engage in the production of value for which we get paid (material prosperity). God does not give manna any more; He gives the power to get wealth for the execution of His will and establishment of His kingdom on earth. The power to get wealth is best exercised through enterprise.
You do not give to prosper; you give because you love God and acknowledge His lordship! More than 99% of the people on the world’s list of billionaires do not pay tithe but they give heavily. Some of them even pledge 99% of their wealth to charities. Again, do not be deceived, you do not give your way to material riches. You acquire material riches by using your God-given power to get wealth through productive, value-adding enterprise. God’s blessing does not function in a vacuum. Jesus did not feed the five thousand by calling forth bread and fish from thin air; He used existing five loaves of bread and two fish to do the miracle. He blessed, and broke the little that was available, and it multiplied. Thus, the available became the magnificent (Matthew 14:13-21). [I have discussed this in great detail in my book GO INTO ALL THE WORLD]
However, giving itself attracts the blessing of expanded opportunities. You cannot give and not be multiplied by God to give more (Luke 6:38)!
FINAL THOUGHTS
It’s been roughly two thousand years since the church began. The challenges, demands and expressions of the work of the ministry have changed dramatically as have culture and human civilisation. So the way and manner in which resources are pooled and used today have equally changed. But the call for faithful stewardship has not changed.
Giving must therefore be done cheerfully out of a revelation of Christ’s lordship. You do not give primarily to be blessed; you’re already blessed so you give. This way you open yourself up for higher opportunities. Each time you give with this understanding, you are like Abraham lifting your hands in surrender and worship to the possessor of heaven and earth. Giving of course is not limited to money as there are so many things money cannot get done.
If the Lord can entrust you with the spoils of battle He can as well trust you with an Isaac. Every believer has an Isaac who the Lord will definitely demand for at some point in their walk with Him. Not because He needs Isaac but because He wants to establish His lordship in unmistakable terms in the believer’s life.
Our response to the perversion currently going on in the body of Christ however should not be visceral lest the devil take advantage of it and plunder the church further. Rather we should remain committed to God in prayer and remain in the comfort and admonition of Scriptures for Him to come through. The same God who showed great mercy killed Ananias and Sapphira for tampering with the resources of His church. Let’s not allow the greed of Judas discredit the work of the faithful eleven. The Lord help us all to step into His stewardship as we acknowledge and submit to His lordship daily.
Remain blessed.
Jesus is Lord forever!
Your brother,
Arome Osayi.
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by OkCornel(m): 6:13pm On Dec 15, 2017
Dan1cole:

Jesus never condemned animal sacrifice, he abolished it when he died and resurrected. There was no more need to spill animal blood given that Jesus' blood had been spilled for all.
And again, you can't tithe crops and livestock in this mordern era, you tithe in money instead.

As per the bolded, you are the one adding to God's word.

Despite the prosperous era of Israel in the era of Solomon where gold was common and silver was very very easy to get. The items to be tithed never changed from Crops and Livestocks to gold and silver. Even after Solomon's era...Malachi emphasized tithe was foodstuffs, Jesus also stated it to be produce from crops in Matthew 23v23

My question to you is that God who clearly gave the instructions on what to be tithed never changed it, why does man want to counter God's instruction to change tithes from crops and livestocks into money?

If you want to tithe according God's instruction, please do it as He said it should be done.

Do not add to God's words. Thank you.

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Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by OkCornel(m): 6:16pm On Dec 15, 2017
Dan1cole:

Prosperity is not just a function of how much you have physically, yes, but how much you have physically is evidence of your prosperity.

If it is by physical evidence, I do not totally agree because you might be concluding that Jesus, Paul, Peter and the other Apostles were not prosperous.

Same goes for ancient prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel e.t.c.
Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by OkCornel(m): 6:18pm On Dec 15, 2017
Dan1cole:

Jesus never condemned animal sacrifice, he abolished it when he died and resurrected. There was no more need to spill animal blood given that Jesus' blood had been spilled for all.
And again, you can't tithe crops and livestock in this mordern era, you tithe in money instead.

I did not ask for your intepretation or Paul's intepretation.

I asked for where Jesus opened His mouth to condemn animal sacrifice. And if He did not, why are you not doing it?

Your answer will also be the answer to the tithe arguments going on.

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Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by OnyeOGA(m): 6:18pm On Dec 15, 2017
OkCornel:


No one is against giving to the Church for the expansion of God's kingdom. What I am against is mixing the TRUTH with lies to scam people into parting with 10% of their monetary income as tithe whereas, God gave instructions to Moses that 10% of Harvested crops and livestock is the tithe...NOT MONEY (SILVER & GOLD)
and the most truthful part of it is that Tithe is for the Jews and not Christians

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