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|Re: President Muhammadu Buhari Is A Religion In North – Femi Fani-kayode by Nowenuse: 8:33pm On Dec 22, 2017|
What do you mean when you say religious calculation? Southern kaduna people will not naturally vote in accordance with Zaria people. How does that relate to religion.
Yes of course, unless the election is rigged as usual. Only then will the margin be higher. But this time, the opposition will fight heavily against rigging.
|Re: President Muhammadu Buhari Is A Religion In North – Femi Fani-kayode by senatordave1(m): 12:28am On Dec 23, 2017|
Nowenuse:Oga,i like your facts and evidences.there are good but your very biased.it seems you dont understand what is urban and rural.is there a settlement as urbanises like zaria in southern kaduna? No.kafanchan is the largest settlement in southern kaduna and it is not yet a city.that a place is heavily populous doesnt mean its urban.in northern kaduna apart from zaria,the other settlements are not urbanised and mostly peopled by indigenes.if kafanchan becomes a city,majority of the inhabitants will be foreigners.i asked you to mention any city in nigeria mostly peopled by indigenes,you didnt.
Another biased point is you saying that hausa/fulanus count their cows during census.it rubbishes all youd fine points.this may be true but even your southern kaduna also inflates population.there is no village in nigeria that doesnt inflate their population.even my village in cross river recorded a population of 3000 when were less than 1000.dont narrow it to the hausas alone,na normal thing.its just like saying only the hausas rig elections when every area in nigeria does it or claiming that only them are corrupt.but i can confidently tell you that the south inflates population and rigs election even mors than the north especially ss/se.
|Re: President Muhammadu Buhari Is A Religion In North – Femi Fani-kayode by senatordave1(m): 12:41am On Dec 23, 2017|
Nowenuse:If you say that southern kaduna refers to all non hausa fulani tribes in kaduna,i agree.there are more numerous than the hausas.but the hausas are the largest ethnicity in kaduna,dont argue that please.but i still think that muslims are more.afterall if not why are muslims not dominating guber seats in plateau,taraba,benue where christians are more? Or why are christians not dominating in kwara,niger,gombe,oyo,adamawa where muslims are more? Leave lagos,i think both religions are of equal proportions there.let us focus on kaduna.the southern kaduna people can easily use their majority in southern zone,their 4 lgas in the central zone to dominate the governorship.again,most senators from the central zone are muslims which isnt a coincidence.the only time the christians produced a governor,it was by a slight margin in 2011 while muslims always win heavily.
|Re: President Muhammadu Buhari Is A Religion In North – Femi Fani-kayode by senatordave1(m): 12:47am On Dec 23, 2017|
Nowenuse:I said religious because you believe that since southern kaduna is mostly xtian dominated,it will vote against buhari forgetting that not only muslims vote buhari,even christians like me do.the opposition cannot do anything.did apc not oppose rigging in rivers,aka ibom and several other southern states which pdp won heavily? Whether southern kaduna vote for or against buhari,their votes will be recorded for buhari.lets leave that side,its the sad side of nigerian politics.if pdp wants power back,a good candidate should be presented not atiku.but ill prefer kowa or labour party not pdp.
|Re: President Muhammadu Buhari Is A Religion In North – Femi Fani-kayode by Nowenuse: 2:02am On Dec 23, 2017|
You are only misunderstanding me that's why you think I am bias.
In Makurdi for instance, Tivs are the majority in the city and outnumber every other group of people combined. In Ado-Ekiti, Ekiti people actually outnumber every other group of outside settlers combined. In Katsina city, Katsina state indigenes most likely outnumber every other indigenes of other states combined. But in a city like Jos which is extremely cosmopolitan, I doubt that the number of Plateau indigenes will outnumber people from other states combined. This is my point. In the Nigerian context, Cities that have had no much history of commerce, education or mineral exploration are usually more or less homogenous. Cities like the examples I gave above like Makurdi, Ado-Ekiti and Katsina, were cities created solely for administrative reasons.
So, your point of cities not being dominated by the natives does not apply in all cases.
And pls, I understand very well what rural/urban connotes. The fact that the UK has one mighty city london which beats all German cities in terms of size, does not make UK more urbanized than Germany. Southern kaduna may have more smaller towns than northern kaduna. Besides, I am not arguing that Southern kaduna is more urbanized than Zaria. All I'm against is you tagging the whole of Southern Kaduna as rural areas. Southern kaduna has many towns, they are just smaller. For instance, a LGA like Jemaa or Zangon kataf might have at least 5-7 towns with at least 30k people each. because every tribe or subtribe usually has it's own chiefdom headquarters (which is usually a town).
As for inflation of census results. Some people are more notorious than others. Especially those who are desperate for domination and the desire to dominate others as seen with Hausa fulani. Southern kaduna people have no such desperation.
Another fact that will help us settle all this argument will be to provide the telcom statistics of Kaduna state, LGA by LGA. I think i have once come across sth like this.
|Re: President Muhammadu Buhari Is A Religion In North – Femi Fani-kayode by Nowenuse: 2:24am On Dec 23, 2017|
If with all my explanation, you still did not understand why Zaria has a stronger political power over Southern kaduna, then i might just have to give up on this, cos it's obvious you are now arguing for arguin sake.
Someone asking why muslims do not dominate Benue state politically is like asking why christians do not dominate Sokoto state politically.
To start with, can you mention one single town or LGA in Benue where muslims are majority? Only Tivs produce governors in Benue state and they are 99% christians. Pls if you know any single Tiv village that has more muslims, let me know.
In Plateau state, the indigenous muslims are just very small. Out of the 50 tribes or more that make up the state, only about 2 indigenous tribes I know that are predominantly muslims and none of them are even among the top 5 largest tribes in the state. People think Plateau state has many muslims because of the Hausa settlers that make noise in Jos. Those ones are not indigenes of the state and can never be considered in some political posts.
Taraba is the only state where anyone can argue on why muslims are not dominating. Cos they have a large population here.
Muslims have occupied every other position in Taraba state except governorship. Currently, I think muslims have more senators than christians and could possibly have more house of reps than christians. So there is no real Christian political domination in Taraba.
The only reason why I think muslims fail to produce governor in Taraba, is the zonning issue based on senatorial district. I have explained this earlier to ItsTutsi (the person who made me join this thread). Let me requote the entire reply i gave him, when he asked the same question you are now asking about why muslims are not dominating Plateau, Benue & Taraba.
But pls next time, try to read all through a thread before joinning in any argument, to save us stress of repitition. Cos if you had read my reply to the other guy, you wouldn't have asked this!!
|Re: President Muhammadu Buhari Is A Religion In North – Femi Fani-kayode by Nowenuse: 2:52am On Dec 23, 2017|
Now i just see that you are arguing for arguing sake. You just don't want to learn. You are not from this region and someone who is very familiar with the history and politics of the place is telling you the whole thing and you are not even paying attention to any details. There are only 3 southern kaduna dominated LGAs in central kaduna. The other one is in Kaduna north. I have stressed this point many times and this shows that you are not following.
First of all, Southern kaduna has never been united as one people not until few years ago. I even doubt any complete unity now (especially when it comes to local internal politics).
I think there was a time (in the late 90s or so), where there was a serious debate on whether Kaduna state should be divided and how it should be divided. Do you know that the Gbagyi representative came out to speak and rejected other southern kaduna people? He claimed that Hausas and Gbagyis have been neighbors and brothers for centuries and as such they (Gbagyis) will not join other Southern kaduna people to form a new state.
Do you know that in Chikun LGA, Gbagyis sometimes favour Hausas over their fellow southern kaduna people in political appointment? Infact let me not start washing dirty linens in public here. SOKAPU is doing a great work in uniting all southern kaduna people, let me not dig up ugly pasts here. Things are gradually getting better, but believe me, it was worse in the past.
Zaria always plays divide and rule with southern kaduna tribes just as the Hausas do with Southern Nigeria. Zaria can decide to pick a Gbagyi man for deputy governorship, then come and see the way thousands of Gbagyi people will abandon a Southern kaduna candidate and vote for a Hausa man, just to clinch deputy governorship cos they believe that a Gbagyi deputy governor will better serve their interests than a South kd governor.
This is exactly the same thing that happens in Gombe state and is the reason why a Southern Gombe man or Christian will never rule Gombe. Instead of the whole Gombe south to unite and present one candidate for governor, the Tangale & Waja people will rather fight themselves dirty over senatorship and deputy governorship.
Did you just say muslims and christians are equal in Lagos population? Pls, I was taking you to be a very enlightened person. I hope I don't change my mind on that.
|Re: President Muhammadu Buhari Is A Religion In North – Femi Fani-kayode by Nowenuse: 2:56am On Dec 23, 2017|
Well you are wrong cos PDP will not present a christian candidate but most likely a Hausa fulani Muslim candidate?
Southern Kaduna people will not vote Buhari cos they know that he will never be the type to secure their interests, not about religion.
|Re: President Muhammadu Buhari Is A Religion In North – Femi Fani-kayode by fellowman: 7:57pm On Dec 24, 2017|
you're just confused, it was That same guy that signed the anti gay bill, so why are you attacking him now.
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