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Correcting Daddy Freeze's Error Concerning The Church - Pastor Olawunmi by damosky12(m): 11:10am On Dec 31, 2017
All Christians must read this.


Daddy Freeze and his ignorant illogicality concerning the local church..
In his video interview on Linda Ikeji TV, the above mentioned personality took a swipe at the local church when he mentioned that folks shouldn't give to the church because God doesn't dwell in temples and he quoted Acts 7:48, 'Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,'.
He stated giving shouldn't be made to the church and especially men who preside there in.
This betrays his ignorance of what the church is.Much more this is gross and crass error
The word 'church' is from the Greek word 'ekklesia' which means 'a congregation of called out ones'.
The basis of this congregation is faith in the gospel of Jesus. Thus, by identification, the church is called the body of Christ (Ephesians 1:23, 1 Corinthians 12:12-28).
Furthermore there’s is a who the church is ,believers in Christ .
And for emphasis, there’s a where .
My dear brother Daddy Freeze further opines ,The where isn’t important ,by calling folks listening to his “ online services “ via YouTube ,instagram etc as more important than “ buildings “ etc ,which he contemptuously calls church gatherings
For starters church has a where,a gathering.
Acts 2:1 KJV
[1] And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
This had definite leadership .
Acts 2:41-42 KJV
[41] Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. [42] And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
‘This wasn’t virtual but literal .
This vital function of the church is too conspicuous in the book of acts not to be noticed .
Also in the epistles
1 Corinthians 5:4 KJV
[4] In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Gather together ,this is literal .
This was all over the epistles
The House of God is both the believer and our gathering together
1 Timothy 3:15 KJV
[15] But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
This is obviously gatherings .
All Epistles are letters written to local churches ,ie churches in specific locations or leaders or personalities within them .
To attempt to sustain a campaign against gatherings physically and promote an on online revolution is heretic .
This attempt by Daddy Freeze is bound to make a ship wreck of many and should be opposed very well and doctrinally so
1 Timothy 1:19-20 KJV
[19] Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
[20] Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
The church is where the Lordship of Jesus Christ is exercised.
Let's see some scriptures on how the church is organized.
Ephesians 4:8-11, 'Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachersEphesians 4:12-13 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: '.
Thus, we have leadership in the body with oversight in view (particularly the pastor-teacher).
Let's see their responsibilities. 1 Timothy 5:17-18, 'Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer [is] worthy of his reward.
They are to RULE WELL. This implies oversight via doctrine.
Hence, within the church, the Lord has given certain men responsibility for the oversight of the body.
Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that [is] unprofitable for you.
So then, how does giving work in the church and should those that have oversight be given to?
The answers to these questions are the crux of this write-up.
Let's see both doctrine and practice from the scriptures. Romans 15:26, 'For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.'
The poor saints! Not merely the poor.
2 Corinthians 8:1-3, 'Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia; How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality. For to [their] power, I bear record, yea, and beyond [their] power [they were] willing of themselves;'.
Their poverty didn't preclude them from giving.
Galatians 6:10, 'As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all [men], especially unto them who are of the household of faith.' 1 Timothy 6:18, 'That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;'.
We see this practised in the book of Acts; Acts 2:44-45, 'And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all [men], as every man had need.
Acts 4:34-35, 'Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid [them] down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.'
Such givings were received by the apostles..this deals a technical knockout to our brother's assertion.
His submission is an error
Also his campaign to distribute same in the name of scriptures .
This was done orderly ,the church leadership was responsible for this
Daddy Freeze doesn’t qualify here
How about giving to ministers?
1 Corinthians 9:7-14 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock? Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he [it] altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, [this] is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. If we have sown unto you spiritual things, [is it] a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? If others be partakers of [this] power over you, [are] not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ. Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live [of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.'
We see here that it's the right of ministers to be materially supported.
Galatians 6:6, 'Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.' Yet another injunction on material support for ministers. We should note that the basis of this support is their work, not their financial situation.
Apostle Paul worked and supported others materially yet received support from brethren (Philippians 4:11-19).
Thus , we see copious evidence in the epistles and in the book of Acts concerning giving to the church congregation and giving to ministers.
This is a clear fact
A definite poison in our dear brothers submissions depicts a fellow who wants to “ speak his mind “ rather than enlighten and renew it ( Romans 12:2,Ephesians 4:23,Ephesians 1:17),and season his speech and be slow to speak (Ephesians 5:3-4,James1:19)
These are traits of one who peter says are unruly and unstable
2 Peter 3:16 KJV
[16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Using scriptures with such unlearned mind is damaging .
He would only succeed at holding some immature captivated with oratory ,but will damage their faith ,with such contempt for the local church .
This is why he should kindly find a local church which doesn’t pay tithes at least but yet teaches the Gospel, wholesomely ,his further attempt at speaking with tongues was so infantile and ridiculous ,he needs help !
Hope he listens and hope his fans and hailers would be sincere with him .
Re: Correcting Daddy Freeze's Error Concerning The Church - Pastor Olawunmi by dafeyankee: 11:11am On Dec 31, 2017
See them.
Re: Correcting Daddy Freeze's Error Concerning The Church - Pastor Olawunmi by hatchy: 11:12am On Dec 31, 2017
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Re: Correcting Daddy Freeze's Error Concerning The Church - Pastor Olawunmi by ourfather: 12:40pm On Dec 31, 2017
Re: Correcting Daddy Freeze's Error Concerning The Church - Pastor Olawunmi by MuttleyLaff: 1:10pm On Dec 31, 2017
damosky12:
All Christians must read this.

Daddy Freeze and his ignorant illogicality concerning the local church..
In his video interview on Linda Ikeji TV, the above mentioned personality took a swipe at the local church when he mentioned that folks shouldn't give to the church because God doesn't dwell in temples and he quoted Acts 7:48, 'Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,'.
He stated giving shouldn't be made to the church and especially men who preside there in.
This betrays his ignorance of what the church is.Much more this is gross and crass error
The word 'church' is from the Greek word 'ekklesia' which means 'a congregation of called out ones'.
The basis of this congregation is faith in the gospel of Jesus. Thus, by identification, the church is called the body of Christ (Ephesians 1:23, 1 Corinthians 12:12-28).
Furthermore there’s is a who the church is ,believers in Christ .
And for emphasis, there’s a where .
My dear brother Daddy Freeze further opines ,The where isn’t important ,by calling folks listening to his “ online services “ via YouTube ,instagram etc as more important than “ buildings“ etc , which he contemptuously calls church gatherings
For starters church has a where, a gathering.
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Using scriptures with such unlearned mind is damaging .
He would only succeed at holding some immature captivated with oratory ,but will damage their faith ,with such contempt for the local church .
This is why he should kindly find a local church which doesn’t pay tithes at least but yet teaches the Gospel, wholesomely ,his further attempt at speaking with tongues was so infantile and ridiculous ,he needs help !
Hope he listens and hope his fans and hailers would be sincere with him .
But if I tarry long,
that thou may know how it is expedient to behave thyself in the house of God,
which is the congregation
{Gr. ekklesiacalled out ones} of the living God,
the pillar and base of the truth.

- 1 Timothy 3:15 Jubilee Bible 2000


For all it's worth, it's necessary and important to be familiar with this word "church"
because as we start to read about or know things done in the past,
we can begin to learn from them, learn a thing or two, would have become wiser and wise enough to make re-adjustments, where if applicable, to our theology


To start with and as a matter of fact, "ekklesia" is the proper and correct noun word for believers called out and/or gathering together, which the word "church", as it is, presently or currently represents.

"Ekklesia" actually, is a Greek word,
which in Athens and in most Greek poleis
(i.e. Greek cities or states) means an assembly of demo
(i.e. yes, demo, is Greek for people, as like the demo in democracy)

"Ekklesia" is an assembly of summoned free people or gathering of those summoned.
The word is derived from “ekkletos” meaning summoned and “ekkaleom” meaning to summon or call out.

"Ekklesia" in Strong's Greek Concordance, is defined as "an assembly, congregation, the whole body of Christian believers"
and says it’s formed from a compound of "ek" which means "out of or out from and to" and a derivative of "kaleo" which means "to call or a calling"

"Ekkletoi" refers to the called-out inhabitants or citizens of Athens or any of the Greek poleis, assembled together, as a result of a call out request done by a herald, announcer or town crier.

"Ekklesia" appears 114 times in the NT.
It first appeared in
Matthew 16:180,
and that's where it was first mentioned and first used by none other than Jesus
Now here's a sense of biblical déjà vu repeating itself , Eve out of Adam, Israelites out of Egypt etc
and this is, God, again, in the person of Jesus Christ doing a "call out from... and to assembly"

"Ekklesia" as far back in the Old Testament wilderness, has always been an assembly or congregation of called-out people
(i.e. Acts 7:38 is referring to the congregation in Deuteronomy 9:10)
and it's no different in the original Greek New Testament whether in non-secular and secular capacities
(i.e. Matthew 16:18, Acts 7:38 non-secular and Acts 19:32, 39 and 41 for secular)
Notice in Acts 19:32, 39 and 41, that "ekklesia" is used three times, for people not connected with religious or christian matters, assembling or gathering together.

This so far, is showing that
, "ekklesia" represents something totally different to what we've commonly perceived what "church" is.

Also, the true meaning, import or connotation of "ekklesia" is lost or eroded when it is used or translated to/as "church"

"Ekklesia" isn't about physical structures, and the Greeks; originators of the word, never referred it, to be a building or place of worship, so at least Freeze got something right

At this juncture, some might say, all this etymology stuff is bunkum and time wasting, it's nitpicking over minute details, and that it's pedantic fault-finding or say church or ekklesia, whatever the noun used, it doesn't matter.
Others like damosky12, delighting in their ignorance(s), could say, church or ekklesia, it makes no difference,
it's much ado about nothing and so what's the big deal.

Well, FYI, in 1526 AD, William Tyndale's New Testament, was the first New Testament printed in the English Language
and the fact about this translation, is that, not a single occurrence of the word
"church" is found used for congregation in it.

William Tyndale did however, use the word "church" twice in Acts 14:13 and Acts 19:37 for something else.
It was in reference to pagan Temples
; "ekklesia" wasn't used in either of those verses mentioned.

Then Iupiters Preste which dwelt before their cite brought oxe and garlondes vnto the churche porche and wolde have done sacrifise with the people
- Acts 14:13 William Tyndale.

Zeus' temple was at the entrance to the city. The priest of the god Zeus brought bulls with flowery wreaths around their necks to the temple gates. The priest and the crowd wanted to offer a sacrifice [to Paul and Barnabas].
- Acts 14:13 GOD'S WORD® Translation.

For you have brought here these men, who are neither robbers of temples, nor yet blasphemers of your goddess.
- Acts 19:37 King James 2000 Bible

For ye have brought hyther these me whiche are nether robbers of churches nor yet despisers of youre goddes.
- Acts 19:37 William Tyndale
.

Tyndale recognised, "ecclesia or ekklesia" to be congregacion or congregation of "called out people" who are believers
and that churches were buildings for religious practices or purposes, and this includes Jewish or pagan temples.

So, in this first English New Testament translation print, congregation originally was in the place where
"church" is presently or currently found in most English translations.

In the beginning, building(s) was what "church" was original identified as,
but now, it's obvious and no denying that
, "church" is prevalently also called or known as the body of Christ.
Examples of other churches
, we have, as of today are:
The Church of Scientology, Church of Wicca, The National Church of Bey (i.e. Beyonce), Church of Satan,
The Sunday Assembly (i.e. an atheist church), The Church of Humanity etcetera.

1557 AD was the first time "ekklesia" was translated as "church" by William Whittingham in the Geneva New Testament produced, subsequent bible translations, KJV included, began having "church" used to describe people and their place of congregation or place of meetings too
From then to the present, the norm now is
, "church" erroneously is the physical structure and people assembling together
(i.e. Matthew 16:18, Acts 14:23, James 5:14)

In the New Testament, we are used to knowing synagogue also to be an equivalent name of the building used for assembling in or congregating in, but the Greek word "sunagogé" means "coming together" and could imply a meeting (i.e. gathering together) rather than a building (i.e. Acts 13:43, James 2:2);
so synagogues were simply gatherings that took place outdoors or in people’s houses or courtyards
(i.e. refer to 2 Thessalonians 2:1 or Hebrews 10:25 Greek Text Analysis for more details)
TB Joshua’s set-up, calls itself synagogue,
but then for good measure, appends the word "church", making it: The Synagogue, Church Of All Nations (i.e. SCOAN)

The English word "church" on it's self, actually has pagan origins.
It's a derivation from the Old English word
cir(i)ce, cyr(i)ce, related to the Anglo Saxon circay, kirk in Scottish, the Latin circus/circulous, Dutch kerk, or German Kirche.
These words all have associations with "gathering in circles"
and researches showed that most pagan religions meetings have worshippers/attendees gathered together round in prayer circles.

This information gives some insight into Tyndales' understanding
and the reason why he selected the word
"Church" to refer to buildings; pagan temple(s) included
and used congregacion (i.e. congregation) to mean "ekklesia"

Why was a totally unrelated word to ekklesia, substituted for ekklesia? (i.e. like in Job 14:4)

As so far noticed, the word "Church" has varied origins and different meanings to what we're accustomed to,
but the word in Latin for
ekklesia is also ekklesia,
so, if Latin in the absence of a proper word, managed to retain the word ekklesia,
why couldn't the "called out ones" who translated, retain it too?

In light of all these information, why the word "church", is falsely used in place of Christ's ekklesia leaves one literally open-mouthed
No doubt, there are strong indications of foul-play somewhere down the history lanes of church
, as "church" DOESN'T COME from the original Koine Greek word ekklesia.

As regards the chequered and real truth about ""Church"; where did it come from and where is it headed?”, lack of space and time doesn't permit elaborating, hence these following bullet points:

• Adam & Eve in Eden fast forward to Matthew 16:18 and Acts 2:41
• Roman Emperors Constantine and Licinius' Edict of Milan in AD 313 which established a policy of religious freedom for all.
(i.e. a proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire)
• Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire.
• the sell-out and/or shady deal(s)(e.g. "Church" and State collaboration under Constantine)
• The regularisation and formation of the Roman Catholic Church (i.e. RCC)
Roman Empire's adoption of RCC as "official" church during Constantine's reign
• The supremacy of the Roman bishop (i.e. the papacy) created/aided with the support of the Roman emperors (i.e. Constantine and his successors)
Constantine calling the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, in an attempt to unify Christianity when doctrinal disputes arose
(e.g. Arianism, doctrines named after Arius, a teacher in the early 4th century A.D) and presiding over this first ecumenical church council
• the exploits of the apostles, all charged up in their faith, preaching the Gospel and like Jesus willing to die horrible deaths because of it.
The apostolic period (i.e. including The "patristic writings'') - about contemporaries of the apostles like Linus, mentioned in 2 Timothy 4:21, and who became the bishop of Rome after Peter was martyred
the ante-Nicene (i.e. before Nicaea) period - about the likes of Ignatius and his "ekklesia katholicos" phrase, he was a disciple of the apostle John
• the post-Nicene "church" period - about the likes of Augustine, bishop of Hippo, who is often called the father of the [Roman Catholic] Church because of his great work in Church doctrine
• The term "Roman Catholic" defined by Emperor Theodosius on February 27th, 380 in the Theodosian Code.
In that document, he referred to those who hold to the "religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter"
as "Roman Catholic Christians" and gave them the official sanction of the empire
the first canon (i.e. Muratorian Canon), the progressive acceptance of other books as canonical and have them make up the 66 books of the bible
The fall of the Roman Empire in AD 476 and the rise of the Roman Catholic Church
• the Pontifex Maximus; the highest office in the state religion of ancient Rome and at the collapse of the Roman Empire, RCC popes taking on this title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors
• the tragic compromise of believers with the introduction of pagan religions and assimilation of paganism influences
(i.e. the Romanization and paganization of Christianity and the "Christianization" of pagan beliefs)
• Apostolic succession and Pope Gregory in AD 590, upon assuming office denying any responsibility or support for any ambition to the throne of Peter
• "Church" and State fully merged as the Holy Roman Empire
• Subsequent popes exercising authority over kings and emperors, taking on imperial powers along with ecclesiastical authority (e.g. St Leo III)
• the Filioque clause/Filioque controversy and/or The Great Schism
John Wycliffe of England, John Huss of Czechoslovakia, and John of Wessel in Germany
• Protestant Reformation; division between the Catholic Church and Protestantism over interpretation of Biblical Testaments.
The Edict of Worms (i.e. the Holy Roman Empire, Charles V and the Pope banning all writings of Martin Luther and labelling him a heretic and enemy of the state) etc
Calvinism (i.e. named after French reformer and theologian John Calvin, he was Martin Luther's successor during the Protestant Reformation)
• The Edict of Nantes, The Edict of Restitution.
King Henry VIII taking over jurisdiction of the Church, after kicking RCC out of England.
Various political and ulterior motives
(e.g. translators forbidden by King James' official order from replacing the Greek word "ekklesia" with "congregation" (i.e. the true interpretation)
Compare Psalms 22:22 with Hebrews 2:12 for more details on this, bibles translated to fit the politics or traditions of men etc)
• Evangelicalism, Revivalism, Pentecostalism, Christian science, the Charismatic Movement, Mormonism/the Latter Day Saint movement, Word of Faith movement etc
Institutional/organised church(es); licensed or incorporated as businesses/charities etc (i.e. to gain non-profit tax-exempt status)
Church(es) under the jurisdiction of man (e.g. unincorporated charities/church(es), unregistered/registered church(es) etc)
• details of corrupted teachings or doctrines.
• Etcetera, etcetera


As for, "Church" where did the word come from and where is it heading? Proper?
Well the word "Church", in letter and/or substance, clearly metamorphosed from "ekklesia" and as it currently stands, those/anyone called "Church" today are seemingly apostate(s) heading towards just deserts.
"Church" will be getting its divine comeuppance some point at the end.



1st century AD - ekklēsia founded on the teachings of Jesus
2nd century AD - Christians already denouncing teachings seen as heresies, e.g Gnosticism, Montanism etc
4th century AD - ekklēsia transformed, church evolves, finally legalized and then promoted by Emperors Constantine and Theodosius I as the state church of the Roman Empire
11th century AD - Church within the Roman Empire excommunicated each other - West (i.e. Rome) and the East (i.e. Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch, and Alexandria) officially excluded each other
16th century AD - Lutheran Church was founded by Martin Luther
16th century AD - Protestant Reformation
16th century AD - The Presbyterian denomination began by John Knox who was dissatisfied with Anglicanism
16th century AD - Anglicanism (i.e. Church of England) founded by King Henry VIII
17th century AD - The Baptist church launched by John Smyth in Amsterdam, Holland.
18th century AD - The Methodist church launched by John and Charles Wesley in England
18th century AD - The Salvation Army launched by William Booth, who quit the Anglicans, and then the Methodists to set up his own version of Christianity.
19th century AD - The Jehovah's Witness Church developed by Charles Russell.
19th century AD - The Christian Scientist religion began by Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy, centered around an outright denial of Original Sin and its effects
19th century AD - Ballinger Booth, the son of William Booth, quit The Salvation Army and started his own church
19th century AD to date - The Seventh-Day Adventists, Apostolic Faith, Foursquare Apostolic Church, K&C, CAC, CCC, RCCG, MFM, Winners Chapel, KICC, BLW/Christ Embassy, SCOAN,
and various other Pentecostal Churches etc are among the hundreds of new churches founded by men within the past 200 years or so.

For starters church has a where?
It has a building, in where, it has people of all manners of inclination gathering inside it
Re: Correcting Daddy Freeze's Error Concerning The Church - Pastor Olawunmi by nicemuyoo: 1:42pm On Dec 31, 2017
Paul received support for basic necessities when he needed it but not luxury!! You have to be very clear here.
The same Paul boosted we are not like many who peddle the gospel for riches.
The same Paul said whoever does not work let him not eat!!
Paul was a travelling minister because of this, he needed support for basic necessities not luxury comfort.
The money contributions were for saints in other towns that were lacking food materials or facing persecutions. They needed it to survive. We are talking of people that are in poverty and lack here so congregation that were better of donated to help as the need arises.
So we know exactly what scriptures is saying and historical facts confirms it.
Nobody was collecting tithe here and no stationary ministers were living luxury life off the back of any church member here!!!!
Stationary ministers work with their hands folks. People give them donations as they would give to any other Christian brother nothing special.
Peter warned against what we have today as he wrote and warned not to;
1. Make merchandise of the congregation and profit from gospel work
2. Do not Lord it over the congregation Yahweh put you in charge of as a coordinator.
3. Peter emphasised not do the work of ministering for monetary gains or profit, but for your reward on the last day.
 2 Peter 2:3 and 1peter 5.

If Peter was alive today pastor/ bishop would condemn him and try to explain their way to keep milking and making slavery of the flock. They would never yield to the teachings of yahshua that says;
Leaders in the world system lord it over their surbodinates but not so with you, are all equal before God. No master/ father amongst you all, and no one is on a higher pedestal than another!!

Jesus, Paul, Peter, james all warned against merchandising and profiting from the Gospel. Making a money earning career off the Gospel of salvation!!! Which none of the disciples and early church members who shed their blood to keep their faith did!!! This is complete ABUSE AND SOME PASTORS/ BISHOPS ARE STILL TWISTING SCRIPTURES TO JUSTIFY IT.

1To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christ’s sufferings who also will share in the glory to be revealed: 2Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, watching over them—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve; 3not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. 4And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.


New International Version
In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

New Living Translation
In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.

English Standard Version
And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

Berean Study Bible
In their greed, these false teachers will exploit you with tales they have concocted. The longstanding verdict against them remains in force, and their destruction does not sleep.


[qquote author=damosky12 post=63764733]All Christians must read this.


Daddy Freeze and his ignorant illogicality concerning the local church..
In his video interview on Linda Ikeji TV, the above mentioned personality took a swipe at the local church when he mentioned that folks shouldn't give to the church because God doesn't dwell in temples and he quoted Acts 7:48, 'Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,'.
He stated giving shouldn't be made to the church and especially men who preside there in.
This betrays his ignorance of what the church is.Much more this is gross and crass error
The word 'church' is from the Greek word 'ekklesia' which means 'a congregation of called out ones'.
The basis of this congregation is faith in the gospel of Jesus. Thus, by identification, the church is called the body of Christ (Ephesians 1:23, 1 Corinthians 12:12-28).
Furthermore there’s is a who the church is ,believers in Christ .
And for emphasis, there’s a where .
My dear brother Daddy Freeze further opines ,The where isn’t important ,by calling folks listening to his “ online services “ via YouTube ,instagram etc as more important than “ buildings “ etc ,which he contemptuously calls church gatherings
For starters church has a where,a gathering.
Acts 2:1 KJV
[1] And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
This had definite leadership .
Acts 2:41-42 KJV
[41] Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. [42] And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
‘This wasn’t virtual but literal .
This vital function of the church is too conspicuous in the book of acts not to be noticed .
Also in the epistles
1 Corinthians 5:4 KJV
[4] In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Gather together ,this is literal .
This was all over the epistles
The House of God is both the believer and our gathering together
1 Timothy 3:15 KJV
[15] But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
This is obviously gatherings .
All Epistles are letters written to local churches ,ie churches in specific locations or leaders or personalities within them .
To attempt to sustain a campaign against gatherings physically and promote an on online revolution is heretic .
This attempt by Daddy Freeze is bound to make a ship wreck of many and should be opposed very well and doctrinally so
1 Timothy 1:19-20 KJV
[19] Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
[20] Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
The church is where the Lordship of Jesus Christ is exercised.
Let's see some scriptures on how the church is organized.
Ephesians 4:8-11, 'Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachersEphesians 4:12-13 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: '.
Thus, we have leadership in the body with oversight in view (particularly the pastor-teacher).
Let's see their responsibilities. 1 Timothy 5:17-18, 'Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer [is] worthy of his reward.
They are to RULE WELL. This implies oversight via doctrine.
Hence, within the church, the Lord has given certain men responsibility for the oversight of the body.
Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that [is] unprofitable for you.
So then, how does giving work in the church and should those that have oversight be given to?
The answers to these questions are the crux of this write-up.
Let's see both doctrine and practice from the scriptures. Romans 15:26, 'For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.'
The poor saints! Not merely the poor.
2 Corinthians 8:1-3, 'Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia; How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality. For to [their] power, I bear record, yea, and beyond [their] power [they were] willing of themselves;'.
Their poverty didn't preclude them from giving.
Galatians 6:10, 'As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all [men], especially unto them who are of the household of faith.' 1 Timothy 6:18, 'That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;'.
We see this practised in the book of Acts; Acts 2:44-45, 'And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all [men], as every man had need.
Acts 4:34-35, 'Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid [them] down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.'
Such givings were received by the apostles..this deals a technical knockout to our brother's assertion.
His submission is an error
Also his campaign to distribute same in the name of scriptures .
This was done orderly ,the church leadership was responsible for this
Daddy Freeze doesn’t qualify here
How about giving to ministers?
1 Corinthians 9:7-14 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock? Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he [it] altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, [this] is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. If we have sown unto you spiritual things, [is it] a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? If others be partakers of [this] power over you, [are] not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ. Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live [of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.'
We see here that it's the right of ministers to be materially supported.
Galatians 6:6, 'Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.' Yet another injunction on material support for ministers. We should note that the basis of this support is their work, not their financial situation.
Apostle Paul worked and supported others materially yet received support from brethren (Philippians 4:11-19).
Thus , we see copious evidence in the epistles and in the book of Acts concerning giving to the church congregation and giving to ministers.
This is a clear fact
A definite poison in our dear brothers submissions depicts a fellow who wants to “ speak his mind “ rather than enlighten and renew it ( Romans 12:2,Ephesians 4:23,Ephesians 1:17),and season his speech and be slow to speak (Ephesians 5:3-4,James1:19)
These are traits of one who peter says are unruly and unstable
2 Peter 3:16 KJV
[16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Using scriptures with such unlearned mind is damaging .
He would only succeed at holding some immature captivated with oratory ,but will damage their faith ,with such contempt for the local church .
This is why he should kindly find a local church which doesn’t pay tithes at least but yet teaches the Gospel, wholesomely ,his further attempt at speaking with tongues was so infantile and ridiculous ,he needs help !
Hope he listens and hope his fans and hailers would be sincere with him .[/quote]
Re: Correcting Daddy Freeze's Error Concerning The Church - Pastor Olawunmi by petra1(m): 1:59pm On Dec 31, 2017
damosky12:
All Christians must read this.


Daddy Freeze and his ignorant illogicality concerning the local church..
In his video interview on Linda Ikeji TV, the above mentioned personality took a swipe at the local church when he mentioned that folks shouldn't give to the church because God doesn't dwell in temples and he quoted Acts 7:48, 'Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,'.
He stated giving shouldn't be made to the church and especially men who preside there in.
This betrays his ignorance of what the church is.Much more this is gross and crass error
The word 'church' is from the Greek word 'ekklesia' which means 'a congregation of called out ones'.
The basis of this congregation is faith in the gospel of Jesus. Thus, by identification, the church is called the body of Christ (Ephesians 1:23, 1 Corinthians 12:12-28).
Furthermore there’s is a who the church is ,believers in Christ .
And for emphasis, there’s a where .
My dear brother Daddy Freeze further opines ,The where isn’t important ,by calling folks listening to his “ online services “ via YouTube ,instagram etc as more important than “ buildings “ etc ,which he contemptuously calls church gatherings
For starters church has a where,a gathering.
Acts 2:1 KJV
[1] And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
This had definite leadership .
Acts 2:41-42 KJV
[41] Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. [42] And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
‘This wasn’t virtual but literal .
This vital function of the church is too conspicuous in the book of acts not to be noticed .
Also in the epistles
1 Corinthians 5:4 KJV
[4] In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Gather together ,this is literal .
This was all over the epistles
The House of God is both the believer and our gathering together
1 Timothy 3:15 KJV
[15] But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
This is obviously gatherings .
All Epistles are letters written to local churches ,ie churches in specific locations or leaders or personalities within them .
To attempt to sustain a campaign against gatherings physically and promote an on online revolution is heretic .
This attempt by Daddy Freeze is bound to make a ship wreck of many and should be opposed very well and doctrinally so
1 Timothy 1:19-20 KJV
[19] Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
[20] Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
The church is where the Lordship of Jesus Christ is exercised.
Let's see some scriptures on how the church is organized.
Ephesians 4:8-11, 'Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachersEphesians 4:12-13 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: '.
Thus, we have leadership in the body with oversight in view (particularly the pastor-teacher).
Let's see their responsibilities. 1 Timothy 5:17-18, 'Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer [is] worthy of his reward.
They are to RULE WELL. This implies oversight via doctrine.
Hence, within the church, the Lord has given certain men responsibility for the oversight of the body.
Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that [is] unprofitable for you.
So then, how does giving work in the church and should those that have oversight be given to?
The answers to these questions are the crux of this write-up.
Let's see both doctrine and practice from the scriptures. Romans 15:26, 'For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.'
The poor saints! Not merely the poor.
2 Corinthians 8:1-3, 'Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia; How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality. For to [their] power, I bear record, yea, and beyond [their] power [they were] willing of themselves;'.
Their poverty didn't preclude them from giving.
Galatians 6:10, 'As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all [men], especially unto them who are of the household of faith.' 1 Timothy 6:18, 'That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;'.
We see this practised in the book of Acts; Acts 2:44-45, 'And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all [men], as every man had need.
Acts 4:34-35, 'Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid [them] down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.'
Such givings were received by the apostles..this deals a technical knockout to our brother's assertion.
His submission is an error
Also his campaign to distribute same in the name of scriptures .
This was done orderly ,the church leadership was responsible for this
Daddy Freeze doesn’t qualify here
How about giving to ministers?
1 Corinthians 9:7-14 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock? Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he [it] altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, [this] is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. If we have sown unto you spiritual things, [is it] a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? If others be partakers of [this] power over you, [are] not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ. Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live [of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.'
We see here that it's the right of ministers to be materially supported.
Galatians 6:6, 'Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.' Yet another injunction on material support for ministers. We should note that the basis of this support is their work, not their financial situation.
Apostle Paul worked and supported others materially yet received support from brethren (Philippians 4:11-19).
Thus , we see copious evidence in the epistles and in the book of Acts concerning giving to the church congregation and giving to ministers.
This is a clear fact
A definite poison in our dear brothers submissions depicts a fellow who wants to “ speak his mind “ rather than enlighten and renew it ( Romans 12:2,Ephesians 4:23,Ephesians 1:17),and season his speech and be slow to speak (Ephesians 5:3-4,James1:19)
These are traits of one who peter says are unruly and unstable
2 Peter 3:16 KJV
[16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Using scriptures with such unlearned mind is damaging .
He would only succeed at holding some immature captivated with oratory ,but will damage their faith ,with such contempt for the local church .
This is why he should kindly find a local church which doesn’t pay tithes at least but yet teaches the Gospel, wholesomely ,his further attempt at speaking with tongues was so infantile and ridiculous ,he needs help !
Hope he listens and hope his fans and hailers would be sincere with him .



nice more christians are opening up
.
Re: Correcting Daddy Freeze's Error Concerning The Church - Pastor Olawunmi by damosky12(m): 3:58pm On Dec 31, 2017
nicemuyoo:
Paul received support for basic necessities when he needed it but not luxury!! You have to be very clear here.
The same Paul boosted we are not like many who peddle the gospel for riches.
The same Paul said whoever does not work let him not eat!!

Now, let's get contextual, brother.

2 Thessalonians 3:10-12
[10]For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
[11]For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.
[12]Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

Apparently, that was addressed to the CHURCH at Thessalonica to correct their lack of orderliness and their busybodies rather than having a job and be busy.

However, as regarding ministers, see what Paul said:

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
[13]Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
[14]Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.


Galatians 6:6-7
[6]Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
[7]Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

1 Timothy 5:17-18
[17]Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
[18]For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

I love the last sentence. Ministers are called LABOURERS worthy of their REWARD.

They aren't just supported like the normal members in the church as you suppose. They are said to be worthy of your giving to them.



Paul was a travelling minister because of this, he needed support for basic necessities not luxury comfort.
The money contributions were for saints in other towns that were lacking food materials or facing persecutions. They needed it to survive. We are talking of people that are in poverty and lack here so congregation that were better of donated to help as the need arises.
So we know exactly what scriptures is saying and historical facts confirms it.

Whether traveling minister or sitting minister... A minister is entitled to your "good things" (Gal 6:6).

Maybe you are talking about the giving in Acts 2, 1 Corinth 8and 9. Those were for Saints in general. However, the scriptures are well spelt in regards to specific giving to your pastors. Paul enjoyed this. Philippians 4:10-18. After all , it was an addition to their spiritual account, according to Paul.

Philippians 4:17
[17]Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.

As I said earlier, the giving us not like



Nobody was collecting tithe here and no stationary ministers were living luxury life off the back of any church member here!!!!
Stationary ministers work with their hands folks. People give them donations as they would give to any other Christian brother nothing special.
Peter warned against what we have today as he wrote and warned not to;

Tithe is 10%. A believer may choose to give 50% of his income to his pastor. So, what's the fuss about tithe, the Philippians church could have given almost all they had to Paul. What does that matter? It was an addition to their account after all.

Philippians 4:17
[17]Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.

So, as I said earlier, giving to your pastor is not like giving to any other Christian brother. No!!!
Scriptures clearly pointed that out. The labourer is worthy of his pay, bro.



1. Make merchandise of the congregation and profit from gospel work
2. Do not Lord it over the congregation Yahweh put you in charge of as a coordinator.
3. Peter emphasised not do the work of ministering for monetary gains or profit, but for your reward on the last day.
 2 Peter 2:3 and 1peter 5.

Don't get confused. Making merchandise of the gospel shouldn't be confused with giving to pastors. Jesus had people giving to Him so much so that He had a treasurer, someone donated a horse to him (that's a jeep in today's terms. Lol). He took the givings. Is that equal merchandise?

Luke 8:2-3
[2]And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
[3]And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

Intention matters, no doubt. That a man of God receives money or private jet from his children shouldn't equal merchandise. Let's stop being uncritically emotional.




If Peter was alive today pastor/ bishop would condemn him and try to explain their way to keep milking and making slavery of the flock. They would never yield to the teachings of yahshua that says;
Leaders in the world system lord it over their surbodinates but not so with you, are all equal before God. No master/ father amongst you all, and no one is on a higher pedestal than another!!

To lord over is something else entirely. Is Pastoring equal lording over? Let's be critical.



Jesus, Paul, Peter, james all warned against merchandising and profiting from the Gospel. Making a money earning career off the Gospel of salvation!!! Which none of the disciples and early church members who shed their blood to keep their faith did!!! This is complete ABUSE AND SOME PASTORS/ BISHOPS ARE STILL TWISTING SCRIPTURES TO JUSTIFY IT.

People merchandise the gospel, no doubt. However, not all. That a pastor owns a private jet doesn't make him one who is dishonest. Let's calm down a bit. That he is rich doesn't make him be doing something wrong. You know one who merchandises the gospel by his teachings.



1To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christ’s sufferings who also will share in the glory to be revealed: 2Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, watching over them—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve; 3not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. 4And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.

The above even helps us see how that even Peter's days. Ministers were given monetary and material substances. This is why Peter would warn against PURSUING it. Its a different thing to pursue. Its a different thing to have them.


New International Version
In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

New Living Translation
In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.

English Standard Version
And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

Berean Study Bible
In their greed, these false teachers will exploit you with tales they have concocted. The longstanding verdict against them remains in force, and their destruction does not sleep.

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False teachers do that. These are NEVER of God. However, from Gods word, giving to your pastors are of colossal importance.

Are you clear, sir?

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