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|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by ImperialYoruba: 2:33pm On Jan 02, 2018|
Oh so you do agree Catherine Acholonu is a copy and paste scholar, stealing artefacts and history around Africa and labeling them Igbo history.
Anyway, tell why you are scared of bantu.
I want to be a Bantu, I want to come from Congo....but why every Ibo is scared to be called Bantu? I dont get it...
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by RedboneSmith(m): 2:54pm On Jan 02, 2018|
Bantus are in fact (from my perspective anyway) the most interesting black African ethnolinguistic group. A single ethnolinguistic group conquering more than half of the African continent in what was the biggest, most astonishing population movement in modern world history - nudging aside its Khoisan and Pygmy aborigines - must be a very interesting group indeed.
Some of the most fascinating states in subsaharan Africa were established by Bantus - Kongo, Buganda, Bunyoro, Lunda, Great Zimbabwe, Zulu. And some of the most remarkable figures in African history were Bantu - Queen Nzinga, King Afonso of Kongo, Shaka the Zulu, Moshesh of the Basutos, etc.
I would be proud if I was Bantu, but as I am not one I don't want to be called one. Just as I won't want to be called Greek or Chinese even though there is absolutely nothing wrong with being either.
But you and your kind know why you came up with this Bantu-Congo thing, and why your ilk are everywhere online taunting Igbo people with it: you want to brand the Igbo an outsider, that's why. And given that modern Congo is quite a poor strife-riven region (thanks in no small measure to the Belgians and their post-colonial Congolese stooges) , you want to brand the Igbo 'unrefined', 'uncivilised' while at it.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by Olu317(m): 4:02pm On Jan 02, 2018|
RedboneSmith:I am disappointed in your quick assertion . What is ancestry without sampling of blood trait? By only oral account? No wonder, you quickly jumped over board. Go and verify what exactly DNA means. I will not get involved in a pathetic and non educational issue you want to raise up. If you can't understand the connection between studies carried out and blood related link across the world, then there's no need to engage such personality as yours. Then on the issue of Ibo language is beyond your own Ibo professor known as Catherine. In fact Quentin D. Atkinson, a biologist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand and others carried out more test on Ibo language variation. If you hate being called Bantu or ancient Egyptians, then you can sue the scientists who had done conclusive test on the ancient words similarity between Ibo language and ancient Egypt.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by RedboneSmith(m): 5:18pm On Jan 02, 2018|
Olu, conversation with you has always been so darn hard because you lack understanding on the most fundamental level.
You are unable to understand that the pictures you posted is a DNA test result of an individual showing his degrees of connections to various African ethnicities, and not a chart showing how the different groups of Africans are related to one another. I pointed that out to you, but as is typical of you, you failed to understand what I was pointing out and you proceeded to assume that I did not know about DNA and genetics. Dude, I trained as a microbiologist.
In any case, the Yoruba individual whose DNA results you posted, shows evidence of being more related to the Igbo and other West African Niger-Congo speakers than to the Afro-Asiatic speaking Hausas and the Bantu groups, except for the Bamum and Fang in Cameroun. So what really is your point?!
You don't sound like you understood Quentin Atkinson's work, either. Atkinson's work was on the possible origins of language in southern Africa (among the Khoisan). Where you managed to get that he did 'test on Ibo language variation' from, only you know.
In your usual confused way of communicating, you have brought Ancient Egyptians into a conversation that was originally about Igbos and Bantus. If I ask you now to furnish us with the names (and possibly links to the works) of the scientists who have done this conclusive work on the ancient word similarity between Igbo and Ancient Egyptian, you will go on another rambling confused mind-numbingly stupid monologue.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by omaar12(m): 5:44pm On Jan 02, 2018|
ImperialYoruba:No I Dont, I Am Just Saying Ur Assertion On The Said Matter Holds No Water At All, I Just Gave U A Logical Senario, Beside The Op Should State If He Is Talking About The Old Or New Eastern Nigeria.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by Olu317(m): 7:42pm On Jan 02, 2018|
I don't engage people who chose insightful word against others. Most of you that does these things are not educated because, education gives one the edge of being a refined person(s) but it is obvious some people lack etiquette.
Kindly go through this little info and if you need to read more, you can check one of the source below on Ibo history.
Nicholas Wade ex-raying new research findings that use mathematical methods of biological DNA analyses to analyze phoneme frequencies (frequencies of sounds and tones of vowels and consonants) as they occur in various distant languages of the world to determine language origins, has not only lend much weight to our own conclusions, but it has made the Igbo language and cultural area a subject for international linguistic and historical discourse.
The conclusion by the Atkinson research team that language originated in the Western part of Sub-Saharan Africa supports our own thesis of an Igbo origin of languages because Igbo language is based in the Western part of Sub-Saharan Africa. Also the conclusion that this ancient mother-language left Africa during the earliest ‘Out of Africa’ migrations is the same as our own conclusions that Homo Erectus left Africa with a Language and a Culture intact, and not, as animal-like ‘primitive man’. Our thesis that the San (Khoisan) Bushmen of the Kalahari were among the earliest carriers of this Proto-Proto-Igbo mother tongue, was also confirmed in the Atkinson research findings.
EGYPTIAN WORDS OF IGBO ORIGIN
The Egyptian word for ‘gods’ is NTR or
Neter. It means ‘Guardian or Watcher’. Its Igbo equivalent/original is Onetara (meaning – ‘He who
guards and watches’ over a thing on behalf of someone else). The Igbo original is more explicit, for it shows that these lesser gods are answerable to a Higher Being.
The highest and oldest of the known gods of Egypt was Ptah. He was the father of all the other gods. His name, Ptah , means in Egyptian, ‘He who fashions things by carving and opening up”. The Igbo original of this word is Okpu-atu (meaning ‘He who moulds/fashions things by carving and opening up’. Igbo word tuo/atu
means both ‘to carve and to open a hole’). Ptah’s rule over Egypt began as early as 21,000 BC! If his name and the collective name for the gods of Egypt, Neter, were Igbo in origin, it implies that an ancient civilization of Igbo extraction existed in West Africa, where the gods, and not men ruled, by at least 22,000 BC; that Egypt was an originally Igbo-speaking civilization and that early Egyptians were Igbos.
Ptah’s son was called Ra , meaning ‘Sun/Daylight’. It’s Igbo original was Ora (which in Afa
– the cult language of Igbo native priests, also meant ‘Sun/daylight’).
The grandson of Ra was called Osiris by the Greeks and Asar by the Egyptians. Osiris’ was associated with the number ‘seven’. No one knows the meaning of his name in Egypt  , but in Igbo language Asaa means ‘seven’!
The son of Osiris was called Horus. This is a Greek version of a native Egyptian word Heru , which means ‘Face’, as in ‘Face of the Sun’. Its Igbo original is Iru – ‘Face’. Horus was known as the Lord of the Horizon. The Horizon being known to the Egyptians as the land of the Rising Sun, a place located in the Southwestern direction from Egypt - the original mythological home of the gods of Egypt. Our analyses shows that this land of the Rising sun was known in several other world mythologies as the Center/Navel of the Earth.
culled from. www.faculty.ucr.edu
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by Olu317(m): 8:13pm On Jan 02, 2018|
If I can laugh loudly to be heard, I would have done this because some people lacked accurate knowledge on a subject matter and instead to seek info, they results to insults. I chose to respond to the DNA info I posted since it is obvious certain set of people don't know the difference between sampling method that has do to with blood trait and oral interview without any known connection to blood. It seems English is a problem for some people because Yoruba person from Nigeria doesn't mean one Yoruba man. I really pity some people. Anyway, the way you used words gives out your hatred for the truth. The DNA test only testified to places Yoruba people have blood related group according to the percentage. Little do haters know this. However, this thread is basically about Eastern people and I would not digress as such.
For future sake I wish to state here and inform some people about how DNA exist through the following :
Heredity is the passing on of characteristics from one generation to the next. It is the reason why offspring look like their parents. It also explains why cats always give birth to kittens and never puppies. The process of heredity occurs among all living things including animals, plants, bacteria, protists and fungi. The study of heredity is called genetics and scientists that study heredity are called
Through heredity, living things inherit traits from their parents. Traits are physical characteristics. You resemble your parents because you inherited your hair and skin color, nose shape, height, and other traits from them.
Cells are the basic unit of structure and function of all living things. Tiny biochemical structures inside each cell called genes carry traits from one generation to the next. Genes are made of a chemical called DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid). Genes are strung together to form long chains of DNA in structures known as
And with this, it show how people are generally grouped as having same blood trait.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by RedboneSmith(m): 8:37pm On Jan 02, 2018|
Learn to cross-check information before you go sharing them.
This excerpt is from a write-up by the notorious Catherine Acholonu. You didn't copy the link correctly but I can spot her writing from outer space. What's more, I did a little digging and found the paper it came from.
As she does (or did) all the time, she completely misinterpreted the works of better-qualified scholars - in this case Nicholas Wade and Quentin Atkinson - and used their work to reach conclusions that would have left both men with a heart attack.
Atkinson says languages probably originated in Southwestern Africa (i.e., the Namibia area) among the Khoisan. Catherine Acholonu misrepresents what the poor man said and arrived at the conclusion that southwestern Africa means West Africa, and used that to support her own theory that language originated in Igboland.
Here's the original paper that Nicholas Wade wrote:
Here's the paper you quoted from, written by Acholonu, after reading Nicholas Wade's paper:
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Acholonu either has some serious problems with comprehension or was a very mischievous human being or both. Either way she was no scholar and I cannot take you seriously if her work is your reference.
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|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by SPOPOVICH: 12:35am On Jan 03, 2018|
Okay, I got my answer. Bantus come from Igbos, no wonder I see so many people I thought were Igbos, but turned out to be Congolese.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by SPOPOVICH: 12:42am On Jan 03, 2018|
Igbos were the proto Bantu
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by ImperialYoruba: 5:41am On Jan 03, 2018|
You all be warned, Olu is teaching about the nativeman Igbo....the authentic indigeneous, not the noisy, unrefined thing from Bantu that we now see in mainstream.
Yeye people. Ashamed of their roots in Congo.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by Olu317(m): 12:42pm On Jan 03, 2018|
ImperialYoruba:Lol....Don't put me into any trouble. I am only being realistic about oral account of history, etymology ,archeology, DNA traces etc . People like a lot of glory attached to themselves ,which I don't normally believe in it. Nevertheless , information about different people in all human occupied environment is accounted for by different ethnic groups,so there is always a likelihood for traces once emigration take place. But the most outstanding reality is that, evidences don't lie. Let us not digress but give information as being mentioned or confirmed by more than numerous scientists on language etymology.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by ImperialYoruba: 5:15pm On Jan 03, 2018|
Dont mind me o jare.
I thank God for Igbo, otherwise Ill be bored in Nairaland. I like them but someone has to keep them on their toes or they start mischief after taking snuff. Hahahahahaha
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by Olu317(m): 7:05pm On Jan 03, 2018|
ImperialYoruba:You are a funny man. Anyway, someone has to make us laugh. Although if they abuse us ( Yorubas) ,I hope you will stand the test of time.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by ImperialYoruba: 9:55pm On Jan 03, 2018|
They are like a nagging woman most time, which is irritating; otherwise I love them. Ibos are my brothers from another planet...but on this planet me and them dont see eye to eye. Na war!
Igbo Kwenu! Igbo Kwenu!!
The ones here are reasonable. Those in politics section are a pest, male and female.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by Olu317(m): 5:54am On Jan 04, 2018|
ImperialYoruba:I understand your perspective. But then Yorubas aren't perfect either. And the ones you mentioned in politic section being different is because assumption with little or no evidence is a propaganda tools that differentiates itself from presumption tools being utilise on culture section. There is always a difference between these two methodologies when we as humans informs which can be over ridden with newer ones evidences. Give or take, we are all human beings from the same ancient/ archaic parentage. However, I strongly believe that a lot of us on this forum need do more finding so as to genuinely give out information as it ought.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by alanmwene: 12:12am On Jan 21, 2018|
ImperialYoruba:Is there anything wrong with coming from congo?If igbos come from congo,then that explains why they are ways cleaner and neater than the average nigerian
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by AfriRenaissance: 6:04pm On Jan 21, 2018|
There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, if such a hypothesis can be supported by evidence. If there's any concrete genetic evidence, it would change a lot of people's mind.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by Nobody: 12:52am On Jan 22, 2018|
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by AtaniWarrior: 6:46am On Oct 13, 2018|
No, Igbos are not Bantu. They are not from Central Africa.
Igbos are from West Africa.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by sherlock229(m): 1:52pm On Oct 15, 2018|
just an observation I find southern Africans Bantus similar to igbos,heck there names just seems so similar to each other ,I have never personally met a Bantu speaker ,I'm making this observation from internet/social media. I have no doubt other Nigerians observes this too.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by morpheus24: 3:42pm On Oct 15, 2018|
Then you should study Southern African Bantu's geno and phenotype, They look and speak more like east Africans than West Africans in general.
In fact it is quite easy sometimes to identify a typical Igbo man in South Africa as compared to say an east African Bantu like Burundians.
As far as names are concerned I am not sure where you get that from. The Alphabet formations of Southern African languages is quite different from West African Kwa speakers in so much as it is harder for a southern African to pronounce IGbo names.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by morpheus24: 3:44pm On Oct 15, 2018|
They was obviously a split of peoples somewhere in West Africa around the northern regions of Cameroun that separated proto bantu speakers. one or several groups may have migrated west wards, the other group south and south east words to occupy the rest of Africa. The Kwa speakers may have diverged much earlier and maybe were followed by other groups whose languages still clustered with Proto bantu migrants.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by AtaniWarrior: 12:24am On Oct 16, 2018|
It is evident that Bantu and Kwa speakers are related. Igbo people as a whole are not Bantu and they do not come from Central Africa.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by morpheus24: 6:29pm On Oct 16, 2018|
is the evidence based on Language or on genetics?
The reason I ask is because a lot of people tend to use bantu, which is a linguistic classification to delineate race, which is incorrect, while it is evident that Bantu and kwa probably emerged from the same stock of peoples a lot of West Africans did not
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by AtaniWarrior: 1:16am On Oct 17, 2018|
Good question. The evidence is based on the genetic relationship between the Kwa and Bantu speakers. I agree that the Bantu and Kwa speakers have common ancestors.
I am aware that Bantu is essentially a language family. The Igbo language does not belong to the Bantu language family.
What is your view on the theory that the Proto Igbo speakers came from the Niger Benue Confluence?
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by morpheus24: 2:11am On Oct 17, 2018|
It is likely that proto Igbo groups did come from that confluence or via that route, the only reason being the more you move West the lesser the language and genetics tie to the Bantu, plus expansion predate those of the bantu estimated to be about 1000BC.
Sene-gambians, Fulani, Twi, Kru, Asante and many other essentially "Niger" speakers differ more and more phenotypical and linguistically from the Bantu or groups closer to the Bantu. It would support the theory that there were probably waves of groups in the West-Central or Benue-Congo confluence that migrated West ward of Africa with proto Igbo, Efik, Igala groups constituting the last waves of people in the West making them much closer relatives to the groups that headed central, east and South.
|Re: Are Eastern Nigerians From Central Africa? by AtaniWarrior: 11:45pm On Oct 17, 2018|
Respect. That makes sense.
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