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El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by efighter: 2:29pm On Jan 06, 2018
After Buhari and El-Rufai's train ride, Twitter Senator came for Buhari got more than he bargained for

Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by madridguy(m): 2:30pm On Jan 06, 2018
Thanks Mallam El Rufai for bursting his concocted lies feeding the general public with.
The wailers won't be happy with this tongue

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Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by Nobody: 2:31pm On Jan 06, 2018
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Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by naijapips04: 2:31pm On Jan 06, 2018
El tufia is a mad man. The question is, who completed that rail project?

I don't care if it was stalled for 2 year. Who completed it it , dumbie.?

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Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by madridguy(m): 2:34pm On Jan 06, 2018
Read again and stop fighting your phone

naijapips04:
El tufia is a mad man. The question is, who completed that rail project?

I don't care if it was stalled for 2 year. Who completed it it , dumbie.?

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Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by oduastates: 2:34pm On Jan 06, 2018
naijapips04:
El tufia is a mad man. The question is, who completed that rail project?

I don't care if it was stalled for 2 year. Who completed it it , dumbie.?

Going by your logic ,
Give me a list of fully funded federal projects initiated by Jonathan ,waiting to be completed by Buhari.

Anybody can award a contract or sign a memo of understanding ( which is nothing but making a commitment to pay . Funding it is a different matter.
Obj completed most of the power plants , initiated and fully funded all the big contracts including the first portion of the rail roadmap.
In fact the roadmap was paired down and initially stopped by Yar adua.
Almost all the roads Jonathan awarded were not funded.
How can he when his budget had a capital expenditure outlay of N100 billion ( less than akwa ibom)

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Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by naijapips04: 2:40pm On Jan 06, 2018
oduastates:


Going by your logic ,
Give me a list of fully funded federal projects initiated by Jonathan ,waiting to be complepted by Buhari


http://sharpedgenews.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1703:nigeria-secures-500m-chinese-loan-for-abuja-kaduna-fast-train-project&Itemid=692

$500 million was secured by the GEJ government for this same project. Tell me again how Obasanjo fully funded it.

Now your own turn, kindly post pictures of project initiated and commissioned by Buhari from 1983 to date.

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Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by seniormallam(m): 2:40pm On Jan 06, 2018
for the sensible ones only, pls which rail is Ben Bruce talking and which one is elrufai saying, Ben Bruce :Abuja-kaduna, elrufai : Kano -lagos , only frustration can cause this, he's out of point

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Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by naijapips04: 2:42pm On Jan 06, 2018
madridguy:
Read again and stop fighting your phone


Dumbie ( dumb zombie) let your el tufia present facts on how Obasanjo funded that project.
Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by luvinhubby(m): 2:43pm On Jan 06, 2018
Even the El-Rufai who sacked Kaduna teachers for failing competence test failed the spelling of 'distinguished'.
Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by baralatie(m): 2:44pm On Jan 06, 2018
naijapips04:



http://sharpedgenews.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1703:nigeria-secures-500m-chinese-loan-for-abuja-kaduna-fast-train-project&Itemid=692

$500 million was secured by the GEJ government for this same project. Tell me again how Obasanjo fully funded it.

Now your own turn, kindly post pictures of project initiated and commissioned by Buhari from 1983 to date.
Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by Darayola(m): 2:44pm On Jan 06, 2018
Is there no difference between [b]Lagos to Kano [/b]and [b]Lagos to Kaduna. [/b]Somebody should read the post and enlighten me, please.

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Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by oduastates: 2:45pm On Jan 06, 2018
naijapips04:



http://sharpedgenews.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1703:nigeria-secures-500m-chinese-loan-for-abuja-kaduna-fast-train-project&Itemid=692

$500 million was secured by the GEJ government for this same project. Tell me again how Obasanjo fully funded it.

Now your own turn, kindly post pictures of project initiated and commissioned by Buhari from 1983 to date.
From 2008
Assitant Editor The Presidency is in a fix over the $8.3 billion contract for the modernisation and expansion of rail lines awarded in the dying days of the Obasanjo administration.

A committee set up to review the project submitted a report that did not favour its continuation. So also is the report of the World Bank on the gargantuan project.

The Federal Government had paid $250 million mobilisation fee to China Civil Engineering Construction Company (CCEC), the main contractor of the project which involves the construction of a standard gauge rail covering 1,315 kilometres from Lagos to Kano with a loop from Minna to Abuja. The $2.5billion loan promised by the Chinese government is yet to be consummated.

Shortly after assuming office last year, President Umaru Yar’ Adua stopped the project and set up a committee headed by Finance Minister Shamsudeen Usman to review the funding options already planned for the project.

A source in the Presidency told The Nation that the committee’s report recommended the suspension of the project.


The committee, which also has Minister of Transportation Mrs Diezani Alison-Madueke and her counterpart in National Planning, Senator Sanusi Daggash, as members, cited “procedural errors” in the award of the contract, such as lack of competitive bidding and inflation.

The Usman-led committee advised the government to ask the contractor to stop work for a proper feasibility study to be conducted, renegotiation of the contract sum and loan terms as well as involving the private sector in its funding and execution.

But the President whose seven-point agenda accommodate the revival of the ailing rail system is in dilemma over the committee’s report, which he does not want to set aside, it was learnt.

http://www.nigerianmuse.com/20080319201221zg/sections/other-peoples-essays/obasanjo-s-8-3b-rail-deal-unsettles-yar-adua/

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Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by oduastates: 2:46pm On Jan 06, 2018
Yar adua -Jonathan were myopic.
The usual Nigerian mentality to try and outshine your predecessor by making it look like it your project .

That contract included Lagos - Kano but that was stopped and only kaduna- Abuja was given the go -ahead
Try build the same rail with $8.5 billion

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Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by luvinhubby(m): 2:48pm On Jan 06, 2018
This ElRufai is a disgrace to the legal profession.

Abuja light rail and Lagos - Kano rail track are two different projects that are entirely different from the Abuja-Kad standard gauge being reffered to by Ben Bruce.

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Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by madridguy(m): 2:49pm On Jan 06, 2018
You should help your empty sense senator first

naijapips04:


Dumbie ( dumb zombie) let your el tufia present facts on how Obasanjo funded that project.
Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by naijapips04: 2:49pm On Jan 06, 2018
oduastates:

From 2008
Assitant Editor The Presidency is in a fix over the $8.3 billion contract for the modernisation and expansion of rail lines awarded in the dying days of the Obasanjo administration.

A committee set up to review the project submitted a report that did not favour its continuation. So also is the report of the World Bank on the gargantuan project.

The Federal Government had paid $250 million mobilisation fee to China Civil Engineering Construction Company (CCEC), the main contractor of the project which involves the construction of a standard gauge rail covering 1,315 kilometres from Lagos to Kano with a loop from Minna to Abuja. The $2.5billion loan promised by the Chinese government is yet to be consummated.

Shortly after assuming office last year, President Umaru Yar’ Adua stopped the project and set up a committee headed by Finance Minister Shamsudeen Usman to review the funding options already planned for the project.

A source in the Presidency told The Nation that the committee’s report recommended the suspension of the project.


The committee, which also has Minister of Transportation Mrs Diezani Alison-Madueke and her counterpart in National Planning, Senator Sanusi Daggash, as members, cited “procedural errors” in the award of the contract, such as lack of competitive bidding and inflation.

The Usman-led committee advised the government to ask the contractor to stop work for a proper feasibility study to be conducted, renegotiation of the contract sum and loan terms as well as involving the private sector in its funding and execution.

But the President whose seven-point agenda accommodate the revival of the ailing rail system is in dilemma over the committee’s report, which he does not want to set aside, it was learnt.

http://www.nigerianmuse.com/20080319201221zg/sections/other-peoples-essays/obasanjo-s-8-3b-rail-deal-unsettles-yar-adua/

So what is your fact here? So awarding a project means Obasanjo provided funding for it? The criminal Obasanjo had to wait to the end of his tenure to award a trillion Naira project that he didn't provide funding for

Now I've posted facts on how GEJ sourced for funding to execute that project. Kindly post how Obasanjo FULLY funded that rail project. I'm waiting.

Onye gbaa oso mma ya.

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Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by nku5: 2:49pm On Jan 06, 2018
oduastates:


Almost all the roads Jonathan awarded were not funded.


See lie

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Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by naijapips04: 2:50pm On Jan 06, 2018
madridguy:
You should help your empty sense senator first


Dumbie stop attacking personalities. Provide facts on how Obasanjo fully funded that rail project. I'm waiting.
Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by rusep: 2:53pm On Jan 06, 2018
naijapips04:
El tufia is a mad man. The question is, who completed that rail project?

I don't care if it was stalled for 2 year. Who completed it it , dumbie.?

You don't even know who completed it.
Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by oduastates: 2:55pm On Jan 06, 2018
Obasanjo commits to regauging plan
01 Sep 2006
'NO NATION has achieved holistic development without a coherent, integrated, efficient and reliable transportation system', explained Nigerian President Olusegum Obasanjo on August 9, setting out his vision for the revitalisation of his country's 3500 km rail network in a special radio broadcast.

The Bureau of Public Enterprises has already commissioned CPCS Transcom to draw up three operating concessions (RG 7.06 p373), but Obasanjo said that 'even this requires minimal rehabilitation to get value for money from concessionaires.'

Responding to a State Council report released on July 19 that recommended complete reconstruction and conversion from 1067mm gauge to standard at a cost of US$8·3bn, the President agreed that work should start immediately. 'By the grace of God, contract formalities will be signed this month and construction work will commence immediately thereafter', he announced.

Work is to begin with the 1126 km Lagos - Kano corridor, to be undertaken in five stages over four years for US$1bn, funded by a US$2·5bn soft loan from China. A new line is to be built for 100 km from Minna to Abuja, continuing for 205 km beyond the capital to Kaduna. Phase II would see reconstruction of the Port Harcourt - Jos route.[b]

Design-Build-Maintain contracts are to be let for reconstruction to permit 150 km/h passenger and 80 km/h freight trains, with a maximum gradient of 1·5% and a minimum curve radius of 1200m. Diesel traction, electronic interlockings and a 23 tonne axleload are envisaged.

'The construction of the rail line will employ tens of thousands of Nigerians immediately', Obasanjo explained. 'The entire project will promote technology transfer, the building of new skills and the development of allied industries. As far as possible, local materials will be used.'

No-one disputes that a new impetus is badly needed. NRC traffic has collapsed from 11·3 million passengers and 2·9 million tonnes of freight in 1964 to 1·6 million passengers and less than 100000 tonnes last year. There was a brief upturn in 1979-82 when Rites was brought in to run the railway by the former military regime. But a recent review found just five locomotives in working order. The only lines currently operating are those from Lagos to Kano and Port Harcourt to Madiguri.

It remains to be seen whether the government can muster the commitment and resources to complete the work this time, or whether it will fade away like so many previous revival attempts over the past four decades.
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/obasanjo-commits-to-regauging-plan.html
Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by oduastates: 3:00pm On Jan 06, 2018
naijapips04:


So what is your fact here? So awarding a project means Obasanjo provided funding for it? The criminal Obasanjo had to wait to the end of his tenure to award a trillion Naira project that he didn't provide funding for

Now I've posted facts on how GEJ sourced for funding to execute that project. Kindly post how Obasanjo FULLY funded that rail project. I'm waiting.

Onye gbaa oso mma ya.
Stop moving goal post .
You wanted funding , I showed you the funding which was more than 30% of the funding needed to build rail network for almost the entire country ( not Kaduna - Abuja line alone ).
That sum is more than enough to build Abj-Kaduna line and more.

Can you list projects funded by Jonathan and waiting to be completed
Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by naijapips04: 3:04pm On Jan 06, 2018
oduastates:
Obasanjo commits to regauging plan
01 Sep 2006
'NO NATION has achieved holistic development without a coherent, integrated, efficient and reliable transportation system', explained Nigerian President Olusegum Obasanjo on August 9, setting out his vision for the revitalisation of his country's 3500 km rail network in a special radio broadcast.

The Bureau of Public Enterprises has already commissioned CPCS Transcom to draw up three operating concessions (RG 7.06 p373), but Obasanjo said that 'even this requires minimal rehabilitation to get value for money from concessionaires.'

Responding to a State Council report released on July 19 that recommended complete reconstruction and conversion from 1067mm gauge to standard at a cost of US$8·3bn, the President agreed that work should start immediately. 'By the grace of God, contract formalities will be signed this month and construction work will commence immediately thereafter', he announced.

Work is to begin with the 1126 km Lagos - Kano corridor, to be undertaken in five stages over four years for US$1bn, funded by a US$2·5bn soft loan from China. A new line is to be built for 100 km from Minna to Abuja, continuing for 205 km beyond the capital to Kaduna. Phase II would see reconstruction of the Port Harcourt - Jos route.[b]

Design-Build-Maintain contracts are to be let for reconstruction to permit 150 km/h passenger and 80 km/h freight trains, with a maximum gradient of 1·5% and a minimum curve radius of 1200m. Diesel traction, electronic interlockings and a 23 tonne axleload are envisaged.

'The construction of the rail line will employ tens of thousands of Nigerians immediately', Obasanjo explained. 'The entire project will promote technology transfer, the building of new skills and the development of allied industries. As far as possible, local materials will be used.'

No-one disputes that a new impetus is badly needed. NRC traffic has collapsed from 11·3 million passengers and 2·9 million tonnes of freight in 1964 to 1·6 million passengers and less than 100000 tonnes last year. There was a brief upturn in 1979-82 when Rites was brought in to run the railway by the former military regime. But a recent review found just five locomotives in working order. The only lines currently operating are those from Lagos to Kano and Port Harcourt to Madiguri.

It remains to be seen whether the government can muster the commitment and resources to complete the work this time, or whether it will fade away like so many previous revival attempts over the past four decades.
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/obasanjo-commits-to-regauging-plan.html

Dumbie Sen Bruce said Abuja Kaduna....you remember the one your Fulani dullard was ridding and smiling sheepishly? Yes that one.

So let's stay on topic and not zombie about, okay?

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Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by naijapips04: 3:05pm On Jan 06, 2018
oduastates:

Stop moving goal post .
You wanted funding , I showed you the funding which was more than 30% of the funding needed to build rail for almost the entire country ( not Kaduna - Abuja line alone ).
That sum is more than enough to build Abj-Kaduna line and more.

Lol. Which funding?
Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by oduastates: 3:11pm On Jan 06, 2018
naijapips04:


Lol. Which funding?

This is how Jonathan ran the country .
N15 billion only for all the federal roads in the country . Probably less than zamfara's road budget allocation in the same year .

Fashola explained that, “The Federal Government budgeted N18.132 billion in 2015 and the Ministry of Works got N13 billion for all roads and highways in 2015, although it has contracts for 206 roads, covering over 6,000km worth over N2 trillion.”

He added that for the current administration to deliver on its promises to Nigerians, the government has to increase its capital budget to enable it significantly meet infrastructural needs of the nation.


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2015/12/fg-owes-construction-firms-n1-87trn-vows-to-complete-all-ongoing-roads/amp/
Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by naijapips04: 3:12pm On Jan 06, 2018
oduastates:


This is how Jonathan ran the country .

Fashola explained that, “The Federal Government budgeted N18.132 billion in 2015 and the Ministry of Works got N13 billion for all roads and highways in 2015, although it has contracts for 206 roads, covering over 6,000km worth over N2 trillion.”

He added that for the current administration to deliver on its promises to Nigerians, the government has to increase its capital budget to enable it significantly meet infrastructural needs of the nation.

You are murdering yourself on your own thread. So you now know that awarding contracts is different from actually funding them.
Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by oduastates: 3:19pm On Jan 06, 2018
naijapips04:


You are murdering yourself on your own thread. So you now know that awarding contracts is different from actually funding them.
It shows el rufai was right .
The argument started because Ben Bruce was trying to make a monumental disaster(Jonathan) look good . El rufai showed him that he Jonathan contributed the least to this initiative.
Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by naijapips04: 3:22pm On Jan 06, 2018
oduastates:

It shows el rufai was right .

How? That Obasanjo awarded the contract or that he fully funded it?
Re: El-rufai Lectures Senator Ben Bruce On Rail-lines by oduastates: 4:16pm On Jan 06, 2018
naijapips04:


How? That Obasanjo awarded the contract or that he fully funded it?

Sources of funding for the first phase spanning Lagos - Kano with inner ring between Abuja ,Kaduna and minna with a total cost of $8.5 billion. Out of the $8 billion , the Lagos- Ibadan was to cost $1.5 billion . Many aspect of the rail project was to be fully electric . Travelling at
150 miles per hr .


Already agreed source of funding .
1 Loans from China - $2.5 billion
2 Excess crude account -portion of funding was to come from the excess crude account which had $22 billion (Jonathan promptly looted this account within his 6 months).
3 Loans from Nigerian banks - $1.4 billion
4 Oil concessions to Chinese companies

When Yardua came in , it was stopped ,supposedly because there was no design.
But that was a big lie .
Even the worldbank claimed that it was too expensive ( world bank will always discourage progress, if you doubt it ,show me a single world bank hard infrastructural project in Nigeria that will lead to self reliance; just one like power plant , railway ,steel ,aluminium mill etc ) .

The reason it was stopped was northern elites wanted a cut .Just plain corruption (A Chinese man actually wrote a paper on this fact).
They started rolling back or delaying all Obj's initiatives .
Eventually they gave the go ahead for the KDN -ABJ part of the line (a consideration which does not make business sense today considering there are more profitable routes which should have taken priority ) .

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