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Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Efewestern: 8:06pm On Jan 30, 2018 |
Just stumbled on this piece, written by Oritseweyinmi Oghanrandukun St Ifa . So much we never knew about Lagos.
http://globalpeacearithmetic..co.ke/2017/05/oba-of-lagos-olu-not-oba-yoruba-state.html?m=1 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Efewestern: 8:07pm On Jan 30, 2018 |
cc: onuwaje Sanchez01 Fratermathy Konquest mynd44 Seun macof 2 Likes |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by georjay(m): 8:23pm On Jan 30, 2018 |
I'm coming |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Efewestern: 8:26pm On Jan 30, 2018 |
georjay: its long o, hope u have patience. |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by georjay(m): 8:31pm On Jan 30, 2018 |
Efewestern: patience is my name |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by isaacsegun(m): 11:03pm On Jan 30, 2018 |
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Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Nobody: 11:45pm On Jan 30, 2018 |
Well I agree with the first part But this is the first time am hearing the itsekiris conquered lagos 1 Like |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by onuwaje(m): 12:32am On Jan 31, 2018 |
jupiterx:I have heard about it but don't see it as what holds water 3 Likes |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by onuwaje(m): 12:33am On Jan 31, 2018 |
Well dis piece is just off and on. It is a post just to throw jabs at d Lagos Monarchy 1 Like |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Nobody: 1:17am On Jan 31, 2018 |
This is pure science fiction. Itsekiri themselves were part of the Benin Kingdom. Some ancient maps of Benin Kingdom: This one dates to around 1699: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595525w/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2 An other map of Benin from the 17th century: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0 This one date to the 19th century: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom An other map from the 17th century: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595527q/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom 6 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Nobody: 1:28am On Jan 31, 2018 |
And you "agree" with the first part because ? You saw evidence ? The person who wrote this was writing a pro-yoruba pro-itsekeri work of fiction. None of this ever happened. jupiterx: 4 Likes |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by AdaFonju: 4:47am On Jan 31, 2018 |
Tales by moonlight, next 2 Likes |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Efewestern: 5:05am On Jan 31, 2018 |
historyworld031: How re you sure non of them happened?, because it didn't suit your own narrative?, The person who wrote this is an itsekiri man, and you can see how be broke everything down. Agreed he over exaggerated the strength of his people, and also the part where he said Urhobo was under itsekiri tutelage was never true. The urhobos already existed before the itsekiri was founded. I concur with the Oba title, only top monarch like oba of Benin, oni of ife etc can be called oba, the rest are olu. The op also gave some proof, you can ask the epe people of Lagos if they weren't conquered by the itsekiris. 1 Like |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Efewestern: 5:11am On Jan 31, 2018 |
historyworld031: in a bid to champion your Benin Supremacy over others, you denied the existence of other kingdom, no doubt the Benin had influence over Others, from Lagos to Delta to even anambra, but at the end of the 18th century the Benin kingdom was already weak. Also the itsekiri kingdom was recognize by everyone, even the British. 4 Likes |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Efewestern: 5:21am On Jan 31, 2018 |
onuwaje: not everytime we come across articles such as this, the guy made some valid points. Scientific parameters to confirm this fact These Epe people see themselves as Isekiri and Ilaje. They still use Isekiri in celebrating their masquerades in the Epe area. Their language is more akin to Isekiri than any other language. so which part you don't believe, the part that Lagos was never a kingdom or the part itsekiri conquered some part of Lagos. |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Nobody: 7:26am On Jan 31, 2018 |
Weak ? You dey craze ? Benin Kingdom fought against the british empire in the 19th century. Benin Kingdom gave the british the hardest fight they met in the region. It is well known that warri was a vassal state to the Benin Kingdom. Efewestern: 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Nobody: 7:32am On Jan 31, 2018 |
Have you redefined proof to mean something else ? My friend you want to tell me that in 2018 a man magically discovers things which happened several hundred years ago and which weren't written down in the period in which they happened. Did the itsikeri guy do some time travel ? Look this is a work of fiction and stop your nonsense of telling me to "go and ask the Epe people if they weren't conquered by itsikeri". They have no access to your friends time machine. And for your information the title Oba is 100% Edo, the yoruba copied it. Also the ooni of ife was a nobody before the british colonial rule. The british empowered him in order to use him as their puppet. In precolonial days who gave a F**k about the ooni of ife ? Efewestern: 5 Likes |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Efewestern: 7:39am On Jan 31, 2018 |
historyworld031: You don't need to throw insult to pass your point, At the end of the 18th century the Benin Kingdom was no longer powerful, I will trash this later. As for your other claim, Benin kingdom do not extend to warri, the itsekiris only pay respect to The Benin Throne. The iwerre was an autonomous region, and with the help of the Portuguese they were able to break free of any Benin influence and expanded their territory. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Warri 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Nobody: 7:44am On Jan 31, 2018 |
So your source is wikipedia ? How old are you ? My generation wrote wikipedia and we are smart enough to never use it as source. I myself, I have written a dozen wikipedia pages. Conclusion, you are a kid. Warri was a vassal state of Benin Kingdom which is why your itsikeri brothers took the portuguese to their overlord: Omo n'Oba n'Edo. The guy who wrote your wikipedia page just wrote a story which fits his ethnic chauvinism. Efewestern: 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Efewestern: 7:47am On Jan 31, 2018 |
historyworld031: Relax, I don't have time to argue about who is more influential between your oba and oni, or how the oba title came about. I Saw a post of how the itsekiris conquered far away Region, and I decided to share, If you think the op is Lying you can also explain how the ilajes got to Lagos, how come Epe are celebrating Itsekiri masquerades, My point is that there's an atom of truth in this post. |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Nobody: 7:51am On Jan 31, 2018 |
Nope, no atome of truth, just some conspiracy theory. America has fake news while we have fake history. The common denominator is that they both originate from conspiracy theorists. Efewestern: 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Efewestern: 7:55am On Jan 31, 2018 |
historyworld031: My post has nothing to do with my age, this is a public forum and I brought this topic out for matured minds to discuss. am a lover of history. But the way you just jump into conclusion without reasoning the points raised by the young man says a lot about you. @ bolded, no doubt Benin Influenced almost all tribes from Lagos to ondo, to Delta, to Anambra, and even to far away Rivers, but that doesn't mean those places where under the control of the Oba of benin. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Nobody: 7:56am On Jan 31, 2018 |
Just read the maps which I posted, that is actual proof. I don't know if you are aware but we were visited by people who could write and who wrote down what they saw. Their texts are available in several european libraries. The lands which composed the Benin Kingdom are not in any way a mystery. This is not subject to debate. Efewestern: 4 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by fratermathy(m): 7:59am On Jan 31, 2018 |
onuwaje: And also at the entire Western Niger Deltan tribes. |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Efewestern: 7:59am On Jan 31, 2018 |
historyworld031: You can't just conclude that this is fake, do you know the itsekiri history more than the itsekiris?, A point was raised, counter the point, if you can't counter it then don't just conclude that everything written is fake . |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Nobody: 8:03am On Jan 31, 2018 |
Read what I have already written. The story comes with no proof, therefor it has already countered itself. Except from that, the invasion of the Benin Kingdom by britain was due to the fact that the Oba of Benin controled all the trade in the region. Meaning that all took orders from ... Efewestern: 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Nobody: 8:07am On Jan 31, 2018 |
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Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Efewestern: 8:10am On Jan 31, 2018 |
historyworld031: So many flaws in the op, like what he wrote about the urhobos are entirely false, but that's not the reason I brought it here, this was actually my first time of hearing the itsekiris conquered some part of Epe in Lagos. wanted to know more. As for the benin Kingdom let's just say I agree with whatever you say. |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Nobody: 8:12am On Jan 31, 2018 |
You guys who keep pupping up all these laughable stories, you really don't know how advanced the Benin Kingdom was. Just do a google image research on pre-colonial Benin Kingdom, that will tell you what you need to know. If not for the fact that the british burnt down Benin City (The capital of Benin Kingdom, it is still called Benin City today), it would be the mervel of west africa today, and it would have more tourists than paris. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by fratermathy(m): 8:18am On Jan 31, 2018 |
historyworld031: It's such a shame that the British are yet to compensate the people of Benin for desicrating their homeland and culture, and stealing their artefacts. History never forgets... The pains of Ovoramwen Nogbaisi lives on today. No matter what any of us thinks of the Benin kingdom, we can never deny the fact that it was a major political & cultural epicentre in the entire Southern Nigeria! Who was the Olu of Warri before the Oba? Oba gha to kpe-e! 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by Nobody: 8:20am On Jan 31, 2018 |
fratermathy:Ise 1 Like |
Re: Oba Of Lagos: An Olu, Not An Oba & An Itsekiri Colony By Oritseweyinmi St Ifa by onuwaje(m): 3:20am On Feb 01, 2018 |
Efewestern: The part where the Itsekiri conquered Lagos. It cud be true it cud be false but i am neutral on that postulations cos I don't have concrete details on it 1 Like |
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