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Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by nuclearboy(m): 7:31pm On Apr 29, 2010
Scripture in the New Testament defines who the "anointed" are, and they are not a special class of teachers and preachers who are self-proclaimed to have a unique position in relation to God. The anointed are all Christians in concert as stated by the apostle John, "But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. . . . As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him," 1 John 2:20, 27 (NAS).

False teachers and false prophets even attempt to circumvent that reality by claiming that they are not only anointed like every other Christian, they are doubly anointed, claiming they are twice as significant and important in the eyes of God as their followers, and then they claim that their ministry is anointed also. Perverting the Scripture in order to maintain their self-proclaimed status, they exalt themselves to a position which they do not have, and undiscerning Christians support them in their outrageous claims and in the process submit the Bible to the authority of their teachers instead of demanding that their teachers come under the authority of the Bible.

Christians are deceived by their false teachers and preachers, because they willfully ignore what the Scripture says, and as a consequence they deceive themselves, resulting in deception by others.

[b]It is unacceptable to use 1 Chronicles 16:22 as a defense against speaking against teachers and preachers, because of the absurdity of taking that position. The prohibitions in the time of the Old Testament reveal the problem, because Deuteronomy 18:20 states that false prophets must be put to death, Deuteronomy 13:1-5 states that no one must follow a false prophet and that those false prophets should be put to death. Deuteronomy 13:6-10 states that even family members who teach false doctrines should be put to death. How is it possible that the prophecies and doctrines of prophets could be revealed to be false, or that they could be condemned to death, unless charges were made against them and their prophecies revealed to be false by a comparison with the Scripture? If no one spoke against the prophets, it could never be said that they were false prophets and no judgment would ever be applied against them, which would have been a direct violation of the command of God. Even prophets are not exempt from the scrutiny of their doctrines and prophecies through a comparison with Scripture.[/b]

Many Christians would claim that the only proper response to immoral and illegal conduct, and the false teaching of many Christian leaders, is not to confront it, but only to pray for those individuals. It is well that we should pray for them, but many Christians engage in pointless prayers by constantly seeking guidance, when it is already revealed in the Scripture and their prayers go amiss when they continue to support and accept leadership that is specifically condemned by the Scripture.

Many in the Christian world claim that Christians should simply be loving, caring, accepting and tolerant with no doctrinal differences becoming an issue. They would claim that all deviant actions of their favorite religious leaders should be forgiven and accepted with no punishment applied, even when no true repentance is ever expressed. However, that is a false application of forgiveness. Truly, the heart of the Christian doctrine is forgiveness, but it is forgiveness obtained at a terrible price, that being the death of Jesus Christ on the cross by which he took the punishment for sins committed by humanity. Who pays the price for the actions of false teachers, false prophets and immoral preachers, which Christians are supposed to forgive? It is those false teachers, prophets and immoral preachers who are then allowed to continue in their excesses without accountability and it is those who have been deceived, abused and robbed who pay the price, and will continue to pay the price because the actions will continue. Even forgiveness by God is predicated on repentance by the forgiven and not forgiveness with continuation in that which is to be forgiven. Is a murderer forgiven only to be allowed to kill again? The apostle Paul addressed the issue specifically, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?" Romans 6:1-2 (NAS).

What many Christians are advocating is not forgiveness, but sanction without discernment, which is a much different circumstance than forgiveness.

- Culled
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by ogajim(m): 8:06pm On Apr 29, 2010
Well put my brother God bless you for your efforts.

They have no idea that all true Christians have the anointing they love to point out ever so often, they put other men like them on a pedestal which only JESUS should have and forget that our God can't be mocked.

Love is the foundation of Jesus Christ's ministry here on earth but that didn't stop him from throwing the money changers out of the Temple in the only instance where he was angry at what they have turned the house of God into.

Don't let them hear that the "Church/Temple" is the Christian under GRACE because that's not what they were "taught" by the "MOG" cheesy
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by nuclearboy(m): 8:38pm On Apr 29, 2010
Still searching the web for reason and found this

Furthermore, the question must be asked, "Who do you wish to defend; the self- proclaimed teacher and preacher that you love and adore, or the sovereign God of the universe whose commands and doctrines you deny WHEN you support and defend that which is false, heretical, immoral or illegal?"

Scripture specifically prohibits the following items

Scripture prohibits FALSE DOCTRINE
Titus 1:9, Colossians 3:8, 1 Timothy 4:1-2, 2 Peter 2:3, 2 Peter 3:17

Scripture prohibits FALSE PROPHETS
Deuteronomy 18:20-22, Isaiah 9:14-17, Jeremiah 5:31, Jeremiah 14:14-16, Jeremiah 23:16-40, Ezekiel 13:1-23, 2 Peter 2:1

Scripture prohibits LYING PASTORS
1 Timothy 3:8 Titus 1:7, 2 Peter 2:3

Scripture prohibits IMMORAL PASTORS
1 Timothy 3:2, 2 Peter 2:2

Scripture prohibits SELF-WILLED pastors
2 Peter 2:10

Scripture prohibits pastors who DESPISE AUTHORITY
2 Peter 2:10

Scripture prohibits pastors who REVILE* or REBUKE** ANGELS and SATAN
2 Peter 2:10-11, Jude 8-10
*REVILE: to regard or treat as vile; to use abusive or contemptuous language in speaking to or about; call bad names.
**REBUKE: to address in sharp and severe disapproval; reprimand.

Scripture prohibits DRUNKEN PASTORS
1 Timothy 3:3,8, Titus 1:7

Scripture prohibits MATERIALISTIC PASTORS
1 Timothy 3:3, Titus 1:7, 2 Peter 2:3

Scripture prohibits THIEVING PASTORS
1 Timothy 3:8

QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS
If you object to one or more of the following questions, then please support your objection from Scripture. If you cannot successfully do that, and continue to be an objector, then you have condemned yourself according to Matthew 7:1-2.

Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for teaching false doctrine?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for teaching a false salvation message?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for teaching heresy?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for speaking prophecies that are false?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for claiming to heal and then being unable to provide proof of their claims?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for claiming that they are a god or equal to God?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for saying God approves or disapproves of that which is specifically stated to be the opposite in the Scripture?
Why would anyone object to a preacher of teacher being called to accountability for stating that God told them something that is specifically denied in the Scripture?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for sexual immorality?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for drunkenness or drug abuse?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for lying?
Why would anyone object to a preacher being called to accountability for raising money for for a specific purpose and then using that money for their own personal use?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for illegal activities of any type?
Why would anyone object to a preacher being called to accountability for claiming that they are exempt from accountability to the laws of God?
Why would anyone object to a preacher being called to accountability based on Biblical principles and the application of the direct words of God, Jesus Christ or true prophets and apostles as revealed in the Scripture?

False teachers, false prophets and immoral pastors will continue to be exposed, because the life of the apostles reveal the false character they have, the Scriptures reveal their condemnation, Jesus Christ warns of their deceit and God will not allow their escape.
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by petres007(m): 10:29pm On Apr 29, 2010
I was just about turning in when I saw this thread and now I'm glad I did! I'm sure I'm going to have really sweet dreams 2nite!  cheesy grin grin grin grin

I'm happy because more and more people are beginning to realise the truth about these men and live up to their call to judge, as believers. I'm currently studying to do one or two writeups about this very topic & share it on facebook.

All the problems of false gospels and doctrines, false teachers/prophets etc. will continue so long as people think they're told to "judge not" and "touch not mine anointed". grin

It is well.  .  .

Kudos to nuclearboy & ogajim. Love your inputs  wink
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by Mudley313: 10:47pm On Apr 29, 2010
the most appalling thing is dat these hero-worshipped so-called annointed men of god in nigeria actually called n annointed themselves n placed titles upon themselves as well. so sad how my people fall for these celebrity false teachers of today, milking the masses in d name of the lawd
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by aletheia(m): 11:16pm On Apr 29, 2010
nuclearboy:

QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS
If you object to one or more of the following questions, then please support your objection from Scripture. If you cannot successfully do that, and continue to be an objector, then you have condemned yourself according to Matthew 7:1-2.

Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for teaching false doctrine?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for teaching a false salvation message?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for teaching heresy?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for speaking prophecies that are false?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for claiming to heal and then being unable to provide proof of their claims?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for claiming that they are a god or equal to God?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for saying God approves or disapproves of that which is specifically stated to be the opposite in the Scripture?
Why would anyone object to a preacher of teacher being called to accountability for stating that God told them something that is specifically denied in the Scripture?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for sexual immorality?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for drunkenness or drug abuse?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for lying?
Why would anyone object to a preacher being called to accountability for raising money for for a specific purpose and then using that money for their own personal use?
Why would anyone object to a preacher or teacher being called to accountability for illegal activities of any type?
Why would anyone object to a preacher being called to accountability for claiming that they are exempt from accountability to the laws of God?
Why would anyone object to a preacher being called to accountability based on Biblical principles and the application of the direct words of God, Jesus Christ or true prophets and apostles as revealed in the Scripture?

Got one answer to all them questions above:
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by Nobody: 5:24am On Apr 30, 2010
^^ true
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by Enigma(m): 7:39am On Apr 30, 2010
nuclearboy:

. . .
Furthermore, the question must be asked, [size=14pt]"Who do you wish to defend; the self- proclaimed teacher and preacher that you love and adore, or the sovereign God of the universe whose commands and doctrines you deny WHEN you support and defend that which is false, heretical, immoral or illegal?[/size]



If only anyone who wants to say or write "touch not my anointed" would ask themselves this question first beforehand and honestly answer it!

Instead of worshiping the Almighty God, many people have made gods and false idols for themselves in their "men (women) of God"!!! As someone said some time ago, many people have turned the G.O. of their church into G.O.D.!
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by Joagbaje(m): 7:49am On Apr 30, 2010
;d ;d ;d ;d ;d ;d ;d ;d ;d
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by KunleOshob(m): 10:24am On Apr 30, 2010
Brilliant thread grin fantastic wink i love it grin Kudos to nuclearboy for starting it cool precise response by aletheia grin expected response from joagbaje tongue Wow i am going to do excerpts from this thread and save it permanently on my hard drive, would be really useful in fighting the powers of darkness that have now invaded the church. @petres007 i look forward to your pending write up we must keep contending for the faith. wink


@nuclearboy,ogajim,aletheia,enigma,petres007
You guys are simply awesome and i am really encouraged by your posts, when i first joined NL i felf like a lone ranger trying to point out false doctrines and teachings that have taken over a lot of our churches, but today i feel really encouraged that i am not a lone and that there are several christians out there fighting for the faith and interpreting the scriptures rightly divided. May God bless you all. I have learnt sooo much from you guys.
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by nuclearboy(m): 5:46pm On Apr 30, 2010
KunleOshob:

grin expected response from joagbaje tongue


@Kunle:

Where's his response? Shey this Kabbashing below -

Joagbaje:

;d ;d ;d ;d ;d ;d ;d ;d ;d

grin grin

Whether na incantation in "code" abi na "cursing in CE Kingdom tongues" we no know - but we know finally, Joagbaje is speechless and cannot voice out his fears at the truth that is starting to come out.  grin

";d ;d ;d ;d ;d ;d ;d ;d ;d" indeed!  cheesy

QUOTE
lies have short legs; good in the short run but poor in the long run"
UNQUOTE
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by Nobody: 5:55pm On Apr 30, 2010
I guess a lot of folks forget that the verse in particular was reserved for heathen kings and nations through which the Israelites passed on the way to the promised land. Some of the nations who dared disobey this command (the amalekites) payed dearly for it. However it is instructive to note that no such commandment was given to Israelites themselves concerning their prophets. Elijah had a good time slaughtering the "prophets" of Baal on mount carmel.
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by ogajim(m): 6:17pm On Apr 30, 2010
"touch not my anointed" is a COVER most of the new breed churches and "wofers" hide under to avoid not only detection but also I think to justify why they act the way they do and their members who appear to be too dazed to smoke them out of that cover.

We have to continue beating the drum so a lot of folks can be liberated from this kind of bondage.
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by petres007(m): 7:45pm On Apr 30, 2010
Mudley313:

the most appalling thing is dat these hero-worshipped so-called annointed men of god in nigeria actually called n annointed themselves n placed titles upon themselves as well. so sad how my people fall for these celebrity false teachers of today, milking the masses in d name of the lawd

Very true.

Enigma:

Instead of worshiping the Almighty God, many people have made gods and false idols for themselves in their "men (women) of God"!!! As someone said some time ago, many people have turned the G.O. of their church into G.O.D.!

A very sad fact. undecided

davidylan:

I guess a lot of folks forget that the verse in particular was reserved for heathen kings and nations through which the Israelites passed on the way to the promised land. Some of the nations who dared disobey this command (the amalekites) payed dearly for it. However it is instructive to note that no such commandment was given to Israelites themselves concerning their prophets. Elijah had a good time slaughtering the "prophets" of Baal on mount carmel.

Hmmm. . . very good observation there
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 7:48pm On Apr 30, 2010
i recall briefly discussing this issue with a LoveWorld faithful and she almost scratched my face but figured it better to leave my proximity before God joins her in the calamity when he decides to smite me for "Touching His Anointed". it is a good thing that this issue is raised and i think we should keep it coming up in the threads so people are made aware of their folly and christians actually open their eyes.

Let us hope this thread does not get ignored and drop to the next page like this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=294454.msg4159844#msg4159844
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by petres007(m): 8:02pm On Apr 30, 2010
You know what guys, I fear that even if the truth about what Christianity really is and the fraud thats being perpetuated in Christ's name by men who claim to be his servants fully comes out into the open and people have to choose, the majority of them will choose to stick with their MOGs as they're the ones telling them what they want to hear!

Just my thoughts. . . undecided
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by Nobody: 8:04pm On Apr 30, 2010
petres_007:

You know what guys, I fear that even if the truth about what Christianity really is and the fraud thats being perpetuated in Christ's name by men who claim to be his servants fully comes out into the open and people have to choose, the majority of them will choose to stick with their MOGs as they're the ones telling them what they want to hear!

Just my thoughts. . . undecided

your thoughts are bang on point. These ministers are only proliferating because there is a large market out there for the fraud they perpetrate in the name of Gawd.
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by Enigma(m): 8:36pm On Apr 30, 2010
petres_007:

You know what guys, I fear that even if the truth about what Christianity really is and the fraud thats being perpetuated in Christ's name by men who claim to be his servants fully comes out into the open and people have to choose, the majority of them will choose to stick with their MOGs as they're the ones telling them what they want to hear!

Just my thoughts.  .  .   undecided

davidylan:

your thoughts are bang on point. These ministers are only proliferating because there is a large market out there for the fraud they perpetrate in the name of Gawd.

Here is an old story that some people might be familiar with. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article417711.ece

A CHARISMATIC television evangelist is facing jail after being convicted of a series of sexual assaults on female worshippers.

Douglas Goodman, a former bus driver and petty criminal turned preacher, is also at the centre of an investigation into the disappearance of £3 million from the accounts of one of Britain’s largest churches.

As head of the Victory Christian Centre in North London, his congregation included Patti Boulaye, the singer, and John Fashanu, the former England footballer, who gave evidence in his support.


After the guy was convicted and sent to jail for sexual and financial offences, his wife pulled the church away from the authority of the Charity Commission; in other words, she declared that their church was now a business and not a charity. And guess what? Many of the sheeple continued to flock to the church as it was pastored by the wife while he was doing his jail (porridge or ewa beans). After serving his jail time, guess what? The guy of course returned to pastoring.

One final guess what The majority of his congregation are . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Nigerians (supposedly educated Nigerians at that)!!!! Sometimes when we think our people are smart, we forget that because of greed and aspiration our people themselves are sometimes the very easiest to defraud, the very easiest to 419 and take as mugu or is it maga that they say now?
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by petres007(m): 9:34pm On Apr 30, 2010
Enigma:

Here is an old story that some people might be familiar with. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article417711.ece


After the guy was convicted and sent to jail for sexual and financial offences, his wife pulled the church away from the authority of the Charity Commission; in other words, she declared that their church was now a business and not a charity. And guess what? Many of the sheeple continued to flock to the church as it was pastored by the wife while he was doing his jail (porridge or ewa beans). After serving his jail time, guess what? The guy of course returned to pastoring.

One final guess what The majority of his congregation are . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Nigerians (supposedly educated Nigerians at that)!!!! Sometimes when we think our people are smart, we forget that because of greed and aspiration our people themselves are sometimes the very easiest to defraud, the very easiest to 419 and take as mugu or is it maga that they say now?

shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by Enigma(m): 9:43pm On Apr 30, 2010
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by petres007(m): 9:46pm On Apr 30, 2010
davidylan:

your thoughts are bang on point. These ministers are only proliferating because there is a large market out there for the fraud they perpetrate in the name of Gawd.

I guess its just history repeating itself  undecided

30 "An astonishing and horrible thing Has been committed in the land:

31 [b]The prophets prophesy falsely, And the priests rule by their own power; And My people love to have it so. [/b]But what will you do in the end?


Jeremiah 5 (NKJV)
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by nuclearboy(m): 10:18pm On Apr 30, 2010
But why would people prefer to be lied to? OR is there some form of occultic spiritual manipulation involved? It doesn't make any sense seeing as they gain nothing and stand to lose most everything
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by petres007(m): 11:12pm On Apr 30, 2010
nuclearboy:

But why would people prefer to be lied to? OR is there some form of occultic spiritual manipulation involved? It doesn't make any sense seeing as they gain nothing and stand to lose most everything

Beats me  undecided

But I do know that the gospel truth isn't palatable at all for them (unlike what they're offered by these conmen). If you;ve noticed in your studies, the "goody goodies" in Christianity are reserved for eternity/Jesus' return. And thats not good enough for them.  embarassed

I guess its a major reason why people will rather listen to MOGs who tell them how they can get the things they want in life, in life (pun intended)  grin

I think it also shows they're not looking forward to Jesus' return and that puts their Christianity under suspicion lipsrsealed
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by LoveKing(m): 12:43am On May 01, 2010
@OP

Good! On point!

There is no twisting of scriptures for this one i guess from Joagbaje.
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by ogajim(m): 3:54am On May 01, 2010
Enigma:

Here is an old story that some people might be familiar with. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article417711.ece


After the guy was convicted and sent to jail for sexual and financial offences, his wife pulled the church away from the authority of the Charity Commission; in other words, she declared that their church was now a business and not a charity. And guess what? Many of the sheeple continued to flock to the church as it was pastored by the wife while he was doing his jail (porridge or ewa beans). After serving his jail time, guess what? The guy of course returned to pastoring.

One final guess what The majority of his congregation are . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Nigerians (supposedly educated Nigerians at that)!!!! Sometimes when we think our people are smart, we forget that because of greed and aspiration our people themselves are sometimes the very easiest to defraud, the very easiest to 419 and take as mugu or is it maga that they say now?


True story, I know someone who was a member of this Church and was married there too, she told me how the pastor apologized to them when he got out of jail and how the so called "elders" asked them to forgive him. She left there for a smaller Church in the Grays area of Essex. Enigma should be nominated for the Pulitzer along with Kunle for great reporting cheesy
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by jagunlabi(m): 5:35am On May 01, 2010
Touch not my annointed? Perhaps christian folks should start annointing their wallets and bank accounts with the blood of jesus. grin wink
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by Mudley313: 7:12am On May 01, 2010
THE LIST IS ACTUALLY ENDLESS

In 1977 ORAL ROBERTS claimed that God had appeared to him and instructed him to build a medical center called the CITY OF FAITH. In 1980 he claimed that he had a “face to face” conversation with a 900-foot-tall Jesus who told him that he was going to solve the City of Faith financial problems. Seven years later, Roberts said that God had appeared to him yet again and told him that he would die if he did not raise $8 million within 12 months. The wild-eyed visions and unrelenting appeals could not save the City of Faith. In 1989 Roberts closed it to pay off debts! Yet the Pentecostal world in general did not decry Roberts as a false prophet and a religious phony. Thousands continued to flock to ORU from Pentecostal churches across the country, and millions of dollars continued to flow into Roberts’ ministry from gullible supporters.

In 1989 JIM BAKKER, head of the very influential Pentecostal PTL television program went to prison for defrauding his followers out of $158 million. He was paroled in 1994 after serving five years of a 45-year sentence. His trial brought to light his lavish lifestyle, which included six luxurious homes and even an air-conditioned dog house. Prosecutors charged Bakker with diverting to his own use $3.7 million of the money that had been given to his “ministry.” Bakker also committed adultery with church secretary Jessica Hahn and paid more than $250,000 in an attempt to hush up the matter. Bakker’s wife and the former co-host of the PTL Club, Tammy Faye, divorced him while he was in prison and married Roe Messner, an old family friend whose company helped build PTL’s Heritage USA resort complex. Today Tammy Faye has a non-judgmental ministry to homosexuals. She appears at “gay-pride” events nationwide, including a Tammy Faye look-alike contest in Washington, D.C., where she was “surrounded by men in falsies and pancake makeup…” (Charisma News, November 2002). In January 2000 Bakker told Larry King, “Every person who died in the [Jewish] Holocaust is in heaven.” Bakker defended this heretical doctrine in a letter to the editor that appeared in Charisma magazine in June of that year.

A year after the PTL scandal first hit the world’s headlines, JIMMY SWAGGART, one of the leading Pentecostal preachers of modern times, created his own scandal when he was caught with a prostitute. At the time, Swaggart had a 6,000-member congregation in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, a 270-acre headquarters, a Bible College, an influential television ministry that reached to many parts of the world (broadcast on 9,700 stations and cable outlets), and a ministry income of $142-million per year. Swaggart is the cousin of Jerry Lee Lewis and both can pound the piano, but whereas Jerry Lee pursued a flamboyant rock & roll career Jimmy pursued a flamboyant gospel career. A report from a Swaggart crusade in Calgary, Alberta, described the “gospel music at acid-rock volumes” and said “it is a good show” with Swaggart “hammering away at the grand piano, sweating and gesturing like Elvis Presley” and “working the audience like Frank Sinatra” (The Courier News, Elgin, Ill., May 20, 1991, p. 5A). Swaggart refused to stay away from the pulpit for a year as the Assemblies of God in Louisiana stipulated for his discipline, so he was disbarred but he continued preaching anyway. He lost three-fourths of his television audience and his Bible college students and a large percentage of his church members; his finances crumbled. But the Jimmy Swaggart scandal wasn’t over even though he claimed that when he asked God, “Lord, do you still want me to take this work?” God replied emphatically, “Yesssss! You’re in better shape today that you’ve ever been before” (“Swaggart Back in Pulpit with Tales of Nightmares and Revelation,” Religious News Service, May 23, 1988; reprinted in Christian News, June 3, 1988, p. 5). In a television broadcast in May 1988 Swaggart had the audacity to boast, “You are looking at a clean preacher!” and “I do not lie!” (Don Matzat, “The Same Ol' Jimmy,” Christian News, May 16, 1988). Perhaps this is because Swaggart had sought counseling from Oral Roberts and Roberts had observed demons with long fingernails digging into Swaggart’s flesh and had cast them out (Huntsville Times, Huntsville, Alabama, AP report, March 31, 1988; reported from Calvary Contender, April 15, 1988). Just like that. The exorcism didn’t last though. In 1991 Swaggart was again in hot water when police in Indio, California, stopped him on a traffic charge and found that the woman riding with him was a prostitute. In spite of all of this Swaggart is still swaggering, though his crowd isn’t very large. On his Sept. 12, 2004, program he said, “I’ve never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I’m gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks at me like that, I’m gonna kill him and tell God he died.”

By the 1980s Pentecostal evangelist PETER POPOFF had a ministry on 51 television channels and 40 radio stations and an annual income of seven million dollars. He also held healing crusades in many cities, during which he would exercise a “word of knowledge” by calling out the names, addresses, and illnesses of strangers who were in attendance. In 1986 the news broke that Popoff’s amazing “revelations” were actually broadcast to him by his wife after she had conversed with members of the audience. She transmitted her information by radio signal and Peter could hear her voice through a tiny receiver in his ear. A team of skeptics discovered the ruse and recorded the private broadcasts using a scanning receiver and recording equipment (Los Angeles Times, May 11, 1986). When questioned about the matter by John Dart, religion writer for the Los Angeles Times, Popoff replied that his wife only supplied him with about 50% of the information and the rest he got from the Lord! Popoff was forced to file for bankruptcy in 1987 but by 1990 he was back in business with a new book entitled Dreams, which he announced in a full-page ad in Charisma magazine

ROBERT TILTON, who was voted one of the most popular Pentecostals by Charisma magazine readers in 1983 and appeared on the cover of Charisma in July 1985, was the founder of the Word of Faith Satellite Network, host of Success-N-Life broadcasts, and founder and pastor of the Word of Faith World Outreach Center in Farmers Branch, Texas. He taught the Kenneth Hagin Word-Faith doctrines and promised prosperity and healing to those who supported his ministry and exercised faith. He wrote, “You are ,  a God kind of creature” (Tilton, God’s Laws of Success, pp. 170--71). In 1990 he said: “Being poor is a sin, when God promises prosperity. New house? New car? That’s chicken feed. That’s nothing compared to what God wants to do for you” (John Macarthur, Charismatic Chaos, p. 285). In 1991, when his ministry was taking in $80 million, Tilton’s empire was shaken when ABC-TV’s PrimeTime Live exposed his extravagant lifestyle and his shady fund-raising practices. His estate included an 11,000-square-foot home near Dallas, a condominium in Florida, a yacht, and other assets worth $90 million. The show reported that Tilton’s ministry threw thousands of unread prayer requests into the trash even though Tilton claimed to pray over them. He had even claimed: “I laid on top of those prayer requests so much that the chemicals actually got into my bloodstream, and ,  I had two small strokes in my brain” (Robert Tilton, Success-N-Life, November 22, 1991). Though Tilton protested that he was the victim of falsehood and sued ABC for libel, the case was thrown out of the courts. Because of the scandal Tilton lost much of his television audience and most of his church members, but he is still on the air and still preaching the prosperity gospel and still begging for donations and still promising God’s blessing on those who give.

In 1991 Kansas City prophet BOB JONES’ tapes were removed from the Vineyard Ministries International product catalog after he admitted to “a moral failure” (Lee Grady, “Wimber Plots New Course for Vineyard,” Charisma, Feb. 1993, p. 64). Jones was using his alleged spiritual authority and “prophetic anointing” to induce women to disrobe.

Pentecostal preacher JAMIE BUCKINGHAM (1933-92) was the author of 40 books that sold 20 million copies, editor-in-chief of Ministries Today magazine, a columnist for Charisma magazine, and pastor of the 2,000-member Tabernacle Church in Melbourne, Florida. Buckingham began his ministry as a Southern Baptist pastor but after being “baptized by the spirit” at a Full Gospel Businessmen’s Fellowship meeting, he became a Pentecostal. Buckingham’s “spirit baptism” made him a radical ecumenist who called for unity between Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, and Pentecostals. In an article entitled “Bridge Builders” (Charisma, March 1992, p. 90), he said there is no higher calling than ecumenical bridge building and he praised David Duplessis for building bridges between Pentecostals and Roman Catholics, and Jewish rabbi Yechiel Eckstein for building bridges between Jews and Christians. Buckingham taught that God has promised healing through Christ’s atonement, and when he was diagnosed with cancer in 1990 many Pentecostals, including Oral Roberts, prophesied his healing. Buckingham said that God told him personally that he was going to live to be “at least 100 years of age in good health and with a clear mind.” The April 1991 issue of Charisma magazine featured this testimony in “My Summer of Miracles.” Note the following excerpt from that article:

“One day my wife … suddenly spoke aloud [and] said, ‘Your healing was purchased at the cross.’ … Here is what I discovered. YOU HAVE WHAT YOU SPEAK. If you want to change something, you must believe it enough to speak it. … If you talk poverty, you’ll have it. If you say you’re sick, you’ll be (and remain) sick. … despite what the doctors said, I refused to say ‘My cancer.’ It was not mine. It was the devil’s. I didn’t have cancer. I had Jesus. The cancer was trying to have me, but THE WORD OF GOD SAID I WAS HEALED THROUGH WHAT JESUS DID ON CALVARY. … I popped a videotape into my VCR and lay down on the sofa. … The tape was an Oral Roberts’ sermon … I came up off the sofa, shouting, ‘I’M HEALED!’ My wife leaped out of her chair and shouted, ‘Hallelujah!’ For the next 30 minutes all we did was walk around the house shouting thanks to God and proclaiming my healing” (Jamie Buckingham, “My Summer of Miracles,” Charisma, April 1991).

Ten months after the publication of this article, on February 17, 1992, Jamie Buckingham died of cancer about 40 years shy of his 100th birthday. Not only did Jamie Buckingham lead others astray with his false teaching but he also deceived himself.

The Cathedral at Chapel Hill near Atlanta, Georgia, founded by EARL PAULK, has been plagued with moral scandals and radical false teaching. At the height of his power Paulk was exceedingly influential. He authored many books, had a large television ministry, was the founder of the International Charismatic Bible Ministries, and a “prophet” in Bill Hamon’s Christian International Network of Prophetic Ministries. Paulk amalgamated the Word-Faith doctrine with Reconstructionist or Dominion theology and promoted it widely among Pentecostals. As for the Word-Faith doctrine, Paulk echoes Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland and others when he wrote: “Just as dogs have puppies and cats have kittens, God has little gods. Until we comprehend that we are gods, and begin to act like little gods, we can’t manifest the Kingdom of God” (Paulk, Satan Unmasked, pp. 96, 97). Paulk merges this Kingdom Now Word-Faith theology (that Christians are little gods with the authority of Christ on earth) with the dominion doctrine the churches are to unify and then retake the world from Satan and ruler over it before Christ returns. He gives this teaching in books such as Satan Unmasked (1984), Held in the Heavens Until (1985), and Ultimate Kingdom (1986). Paulk wrote in his book The Wounded Body of Christ, “We need not wonder whether He [Jesus] will come back; HE CANNOT. Christ can only return when the people of God have reached that place of unity in which the Spirit and the Bride can say, ‘Come’” (p. 73). By 1992, Chapel Hill Harvester Church had 12,000 members and was one of the most prosperous churches in America, but that year DON PAULK, who had taken over as senior pastor from his brother Earl, admitted having an “improper” relationship with a woman staffer. He resigned but was immediately reinstated by the church council. Allegations were made by a group of women about sexual relationships with the Paulks and in 2001 another female church member filed a lawsuit claiming that Paulk molested her when she was a child and into her teenage years, but the accusations were denied and swept under the rug. In August 2005 long-time church member and soloist Mona Brewer and her husband Bobby, who was a major financial supporter of the church, filed a lawsuit against Earl Paulk alleging that she was manipulated into being his paramour for 14 years. Brewer says that the members were conditioned to give unconditional obedience to the pastor, who called himself “Archbishop Paulk,” and that he taught her that those who are spiritually exalted can have sexual relationships and it isn’t adultery. He called it “kingdom relationships.” She says that Paulk even shared her with family members and visiting Charismatic preachers. This case was featured on CCN’s Paula Zahn Now program on Jan. 19, 2006, but as of March 2006 Paulk’s television program was still broadcast on Trinity Broadcasting Network.

In 2000, CLARENCE MCCLENDON, pastor of Pentecostal Church of the Harvest International in Los Angeles and prominent “bishop” in the International Communion of Charismatic Churches, divorced his wife and a mere week later married another woman. His first wife, who accused him of fathering a child out of wedlock, took their three children and moved to Hawaii, but Clarence went right on as if nothing had happened and he had all of the support he needed. Charisma magazine observed that “in just a few months, members of his new congregation were dancing in the aisles in their new facility, and the talented young preacher was back on the conference circuit, no questions asked. ,  McClendon enjoys the spotlight on Christian television, and he shares pulpits with top leaders in our movement” (Lee Grady, “Sin in the Camp,” Charisma, Feb. 2002).

In 2002 ROBERTS LIARDON, pastor of Embassy Christian Center in Irvine, California, and influential Pentecostal author, acknowledged that he had “a homosexual relationship” (Charisma News, Jan. 31, 2002), though he was back in the ministry within weeks.

On September 12, 2004, the Los Angeles Times reported that PAUL CROUCH OF TRINITY BROADCASTING NETWORK had paid $425,000 in 1998 to Enoch Lonnie Ford, an employee at TBN, to keep him from going public with his allegation that they had a homosexual encounter. It was after Ford threatened to sue that Crouch paid almost a half-million dollars to keep the matter quiet. TBN also paid thousands of dollars in debts that Ford had accrued. Crouch denied the allegations and tried to blacken the character of his accuser, which was not difficult to do. Ford is a convicted sex and drug offender, but it seems very strange that Crouch would pay such a large sum to a man if there was no truth to his allegation. Ford wrote his testimony of the affair but it was sealed by the courts after Crouch sued to have the matter squelched.

In October 2004 PAUL CAIN, the most prominent Pentecostal prophet, was exposed as a homosexual and an alcoholic by Rick Joyner, Mike Bickle, and Jack Deere, who said that Cain had refused to submit to discipline (“Paul Cain, “Latter Rain Prophet of Renown Is Now Discredited,” The Plumbline, December 2004). Eventually Cain admitted his sin, saying, “I have struggled in two particular areas, homosexuality and alcoholism, for an extended period of time. I apologize for denying these matters of truth, rather than readily admitting them” (“A Letter of Confession,” February 2005, http://web.archive.org/web/20050225053035/http://www.paulcain.org/news.html).

In November 2006, TED HAGGARD resigned as senior pastor of the 14,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs and as head of the National Association of Evangelicals on revelation of exploits with a homosexual prostitute named Mike Jones. Though Haggard denied the accusation at first, he eventually admitted his ‘dark side.” A letter from Haggard was read to the New Life Church on November 5 in which the founding pastor admitted that he is “guilty of sexual immorality” and “a deceiver and a liar.” He said, “There is a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I’ve been warring against it all of my adult life.” Haggard is a Charismatic, a New Evangelical, and a radical ecumenist. In October 2005 Haggard said, “New Life doesn’t try to ‘convert’ Catholics” and “the church would never discourage its members from becoming Catholic or attending Catholic Mass” (Berean Call, Jan. 2006). In January 2009, Brady Boyd, who succeeded Haggard as senior pastor at New Life Church, disclosed that Haggard also had a homosexual relationship with a member of the church that “went on for a long period of time” (“Disgraced Pastor Faces More Gay Sex Allegations,” AP, Jan. 24, 2009).

In 2007 wrongful termination suits were filed against Oral Roberts University by former professors alleging that the founder’s son RICHARD ROBERTS and his wife LINDSAY misappropriated school money and other improprieties. According to the suit, they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to fund their lavish lifestyle, including a stable of horses for their daughters, a $29,400 trip to Orlando and the Bahamas aboard a university jet for a daughter and her friends, and a $39,000 shopping spree at one clothing store for Lindsay (“Healing ORU,” Christianity Today, September 2008). The suit also alleges that the Roberts’ home has been remodeled 11 times in the past 14 years, that Lindsay spent nights in the ORU guest house with an underage 16 year old male, and that she frequently had cell phone bills of more than $800 per month, with “hundreds of text messages sent between 1 a.m. and 3 a.m. to underage males who had been provided phones at university expense” (“Oral Roberts University Faces the Blue Screen of Death,” http://shakespearessister..com/2007/10/oral-roberts-university-faces-blue.html). The professors were fired for trying to expose “the leadership’s moral failings and financial improprieties.” On November 13, 2007, the tenured faculty of ORU approved a nonbinding vote of no confidence in Richard, and he resigned as president on November 23, 2007. Lindsay is his second wife. He and his first wife, Patti, divorced in 1979.

In August 2007 televangelist JUANITA BYNUM accused her husband, THOMAS WEEKS III, bishop of the Global Destiny Church in Atlanta, of pushing, beating, choking, and stomping her to the ground in a hotel parking lot. The couple subsequently divorced (it was the second married for both of them), and in November 2008 a sheriff’s deputy served Weeks with a notice of eviction from the church property because the rent was nearly a half million dollars in arrears (“Prosperity Gospel on Skid Row,” Christianity Today, Jan. 15, 2009). He was also forced to move out of his $2.5 million country club estate. Bynum also filed for bankruptcy, claiming that she is more than $5 million in debt (“Weeks able to resurrect his ministry,” The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, April 11, 2009). She lost possession, through foreclosure, of the $4.5 million compound that formerly housed her ministry.

On August 23, 2007, RANDY AND PAULA WHITE, co-pastors of WITHOUT WALLS INTERNATIONAL, a charismatic megachurch based in Tampa, Florida, announced that they were divorcing after 17 years of marriage. Randy said he takes responsibility for the breakup, but the couple ultimately blamed the two different directions their lives are going (“Interruption during Megapastors’ Divorce Announcement,” Tampa Tribune, Aug. 23, 2007). That is not a biblical reason for divorce. Christ gave only one legitimate cause, and that is fornication, yet the two said “the split involves no third party on either side.” If they are going in two different directions, that is sin on both their parts. God says the wife is the husband’s help-meet and she is to be the keeper of the home (Titus 2:4-5), and the husband is to “dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life” (1 Peter 3:7). Randy has spent months commuting to Malibu, California, where he has a beachfront home. Paula, a preacher and motivational speaker, makes many speaking trips to San Antonio, where she recently purchased a home and is “oversight pastor” to the Family Praise Center. She also travels frequently to New York City where she has a Trump Tower condo and leads monthly services at New Life by Design Empowerment Center. This is open disobedience to God’s Word, which forbids her to be a preacher or a pastor (1 Timothy 2:12). And this is not the first divorce for the two charismatic preachers. They have four children from previous marriages. In reality they are sinning against God’s Word while pretending to be undergoing a “trial” and to be victims of circumstance, and this, sadly, is typical for charismatics today. When Paula appeared on Carman’s show on Trinity Broadcasting Network on September 12 and 13, 2007, she was greeted with loud applause. She told the enthusiastic crowd, “Some of the greatest development in the men and women of God ,  were those in adverse situation, those in opposition. ,  You can either gravitate and put your hand to the plow and say, ‘Okay, God, I don’t get this one; I don’t even like this one. But still what do You have to say to me? I will not be moved.’” Joseph and Job could say things like that and take a stand on simply trusting God in undeserved adversity, but when you are suffering for your own sin and rebellion to the Scriptures that is an entirely different story! “For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently?” (1 Peter 2:20). An article in the Tampa Tribune in May 2007 included statements by former Without Walls staff members who testified that the Whites have shifted their focus to money and fame. They preach a charismatic prosperity message and live lavishly. Their home in Tampa is valued at $2.22 million and the condo in New York, at $3.5 million. In November 2008 the Evangelical Christian Credit Union began foreclosure proceedings, demanding payment of a $12 million loan on the church’s property.

In August 2008 the four-month long “Lakeland Outpouring” led by TODD BENTLEY ended in scandal. Some had prophesied that the healing crusade in Lakeland, Florida, was the beginning of a national revival and that entire cities would be “shut down.” In fact, it was the Lakeland Outpouring that was shut down after Bentley announced that he was separating from his wife (“Todd Bentley, Wife Separating,” Charisma, Aug. 12, 2008). A week later it was further announced that Bentley was stepping down as head of Fresh Fire Ministries, after the ministry revealed that he had an “unhealthy relationship” with a female staffer (“Bentley Stepping Down,” OneNewsNow, Aug. 19, 2008). In November 2008, the Fresh Fire board said that Bentley was guilty of adultery, and on March 9, 2009, Rick Joyner announced that he had remarried to the same “former employee” with whom he had had the inappropriate relationship.” Also, an investigation by World magazine found that two of the people that the Bentley ministry had reported as examples of his best healings have died of their diseases (“Heal or Heel,” World magazine, May 23, 2009). The Lakeland meetings began on April 2, 2008, at the Ignite Church, and continued nightly in various venues for more than three months, with Bentley dispensing his medicine by slamming people on the forehead, shoving them, flinging the Holy Spirit, yelling “Blah, blah, blah, blah,” crying out, “Come and get some,” and staggering around like a drunk. He has kicked an elderly lady in the face, banged a crippled woman’s legs on the platform, kneed a man in the stomach, and hit another man so hard that a tooth popped out. We believe in divine healing for today, but we don’t believe in Pentecostal showmen who pretend to apostolic healing gifts that they clearly do not possess. See “I Believe in Miracles” http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/ibelievein-miracles.html.

Also in August 2008 MICHAEL GUGLIELMUCCI of the Assemblies of God in Australia admitted that he had been lying about having an advanced stage of cancer. For the past two years Guglielmucci, a popular contemporary worship leader and former pastor, had claimed to have terminal cancer. He even recorded a song called “The Healer” that became a hit and was featured on Hillsong’s latest album. For two years he allegedly fooled even his wife and parents and closest friends into thinking that he had cancer. He sent e-mails to his wife from phony doctors, shaved his head, walked with a cane, and carried around an oxygen bottle. In one church performance that attracted one-third of a million hits on YouTube, he sang with an oxygen tube in his nose! He claimed that God gave him the song after he learned that he had “an aggressive form of cancer.” Guglielmucci now claims that he faked cancer to hide a longtime addiction to pornography. He is the former pastor of one of Australia’s largest youth churches called Planetshakers. More recently he was the worship leader at Edge Church International, an Assemblies of God congregation pastored by his father, Danny. Hillsong is the ministry of Hillsong Church in Sydney, the largest church in Australia and prominent in the contemporary worship field. Brian Houston, who co-pastors the church with his wife, is the head of AOG in Australia (which has been renamed the Australian Christian Churches).
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by Mudley313: 7:24am On May 01, 2010
^^^and these are the people all the daddy's n GO's learnt their trade from. below is a video of one of the exposed annointed dat needs not to be touched

[center][flash=500,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/KYdlX_Wn1K4[/flash][/center]

and no matter what, the mugus still idolize n follow the fraudsters
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by nuclearboy(m): 7:59am On May 01, 2010
shocked shocked shocked
Oral roberts? Jim Bakker? Jimmy Swargart? Peter Popoff? Robert Tilton? Bob Jones? Jamie Buckingham? Earl Paulk? Clarence McClendon? Roberts Liardon? Paul Crouch? Paul Cain? Ted Haggard? Richard Roberts (family inherited curses ehn?)? Juanita Bynum? Randy and Paula White? Todd Bentley? Michael Guglielmucci?

So who is left out amongst the WOFers? And now Erelu is claiming she gave our people here their power and Oyaks answer when quizzed about why he didn't refute her and other such claims is "because I am greater than them".

Lets come closer home! Reinhard Bonnke claims Nigerian Pastor Eku "DIED" and was brought back to life by his own anointing. Although it can not be established if or not Eku ever died and came back to life due to a shortage of medical and legal evidence, what has been both legally and medically established beyond the pale of any doubt whatsoever is the death of 14 Bonnke devotees crushed to death at just one of Bonnke's Nigerian crusades alone, and the pending law suit for 60 million Naira that goes with it. The parents of one of the dead, a little baby girl, tried unsuccessfully to get the body to Bonnke hoping he would raise her from the dead. The family then did the next best thing and laid the body on Bonnke’s Mercedes Benz in the hope of the baby coming back to life. Apparently they were putting their faith in the ‘anointing’ of the faith healer. Yet Bonnke claims, 'When I step on a platform, often without any touch of mine, the blind begin to see, the deaf to hear, the dumb to speak and the cripples to walk. The baby remained dead!

All during the first 2 1/2 days of the New Orleans conference (The "North American Congress on the Holy Spirit and World Evangelization" was held July 22-25, 1987, an ecumenical conference of Protestants and Catholics), there were dozens of instances of speaking in tongues, being slain by the Spirit, falling on the floor, and other practices. Yet, on Friday night after African Evangelist Reinhard Bonnke spoke, between 35,000-40,000 people stood on their feet in response to his invitation for salvation. These were the very same people who for over two days had been speaking in tongues and expressing their desire to evangelize the world. It was a frightful sight. Bonnke repeated his invitation so that all would understand that he was speaking of salvation. The thousands remained standing. He then led them into a form of a sinner's prayer which shows how confused they were about salvation.

See link for more exposes on this "mog" and many others - http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/rbonnke.html

I sincerely hope (for their sakes) that Joagbaje and Tonye-tithes come here, read, quietly go away and repent!

Anointed indeed! angry
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by Enigma(m): 9:18am On May 01, 2010
Bynum also filed for bankruptcy, claiming that she is more than $5 million in debt (“Weeks able to resurrect his ministry,” The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, April 11, 2009). She lost possession, through foreclosure, of the $4.5 million compound that formerly housed her ministry.

This one caught me by surprise; while I was aware of her marital difficulties, I did not know that she had actually filed for bankruptcy! Whither her prosperity "gospel"? Why did she not sow her way out of financial trouble as she preached? Why did she not empty all the funds in her bank account and sow it --- as she once taught her victims?.


@ogajim

O ga o! I'm glad that lady has been able to move on! The episode was a big scandal here and a stain on all (especially, black pentecostal/charismatic) Christians.
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by nuclearboy(m): 9:22am On May 01, 2010
^^^ Rather obvious to all of us, ain't it, Enigma?

God is not subject to our Words whether we call them "sowing" OR "claiming" OR "prophetic" OR "er[b]ROR[/b]"!
Re: Touch Not My Anointed? Really? by Enigma(m): 9:40am On May 01, 2010
@ nuclearboy

You raised an important point about why people preferred to be lied to. Well, in my view it's a range of psychological factors but all stemming from the fact that human beings naturally have hopes and desires (sometimes even greed) for what is good.

If a person goes to hospital and is feeling very bad, they would prefer to hear that "all will be well though keep on taking the following medication" rather than be told they have a serious medical problem though it can be managed by medication. So, some time people deny reality just to comfort themselves. Some people are dependent or co-dependent: they feel good about themselves if they can claim the company of certain people e.g. despite the fraudulent pastor 'John Fashanu and Patti Boulaye are members of my church; others are corporate and professional people' and in effect 'this validates me too'!

Some see the pastor and his flashy lifestyle, expensive suits, flashy cars etc and because that's where they want to be, they fail to see that they are the mugs funding that lavish lifestyle. The pastor guy feeds their greedy aspiration by telling them comforting lies that they are guaranteed to get that lifestyle -------- by tithing and sowing fruits. The mugs are too blinded by their greed that they cannot see that they are being taken for mugs. I mean if I start a church and I have just 20 people who are earning decent enough incomes donate their "tithes" aka 10% of their income to me every month, do I need to go and work myself? Of course not; all I need is to maintain the church charade and edifice!

Some are lacking courage and knowledge, often resulting from having been well brainwashed; they have only ever known this kind of "gospel" and it is very difficult to see another way, very difficult to go elsewhere. Let us take the example of a couple of women in the news recently who were abducted when they were very young, kept prisoner and repeatedly despoiled by their abductor. When they were freed and the abductor eventually caught, the women still admitted having some feeling (maybe even longing) for the abductor!

That is the problem with these people. I am sure that some members of Oyakhilome's church, for example, are not wholly comfortable with what they see and hear but either do not know what to do and where to go or do not have the courage to do or to go. I say to such people ---- it can be done; you can be free; you can leave and look elsewhere; indeed, you can leave and truly turn to Jesus! Indeed, the poster SirJohn is one example on this Board ---------- but one far far far too small example.

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