rabzy:


The issue of the efficacy of Juju is hard to establish. I have heard tales from personal family members (am from esan, Edo state), my father told me of how his former landlady when he was still a bachelor once came to his room (here in Lagos) in a dream and beat him with canes and when he woke he saw marks on him, he went to warn the Lady that he did not from such acts in Edo, and that there is no way she can succeed here in Lagos. In Public Secondary schools here in Lagos, a lot is said about boys fighting with Jazz and enough eye-witness account, i have a friend in the my office here, who said he had once seen a guy conjure a cutlass from thin air during an inter-school football clash. Its hard to just say all these things are stories.

@Richyblack, you said in an earlier post that humans are not supernatural beigns and therefore cannot do supernatural juju, as a professed christian,
checkout this supernatural human killing himself
what would you say about the magic-conjurers of Egypt who were able to duplicate the first 3 plagues of Moses, of note is the Biblical fact that said, they conjured up frogs also, but they could not duplicate the other plaques because God prevented it,

what about the servant girl that was following Paul and Barnabas, who used to foretell events accurately b4 she was cured of the Demon plaqueing her,
The Bible condemned several spiristitic practices, e.g Foretune -telling, casting of spells on people, inquiring of the dead (Saul and the witch of endor), the new testament talked about a couple of people who performed supernatural acts with demonic powers e.g Simon. So can a Christian say he doesn't believe in usage of demonic powers to perform supernatural deeds, when the Bible is replete with people who did.

For those who say why are they not always 'true for all values' as we say in mathematics, we could consider that these are spirit beings with their own interest in the matter and they could choose to do what-ever they like as they deem fit, either to answer the conjurer or not, they are not chemicals that would always lose or gain an elctron 'under standard temperature and pressure'.

If someone slaps me and i turn the other cheek, it does not mean tomorrow if he does again or if someone else does i would not put a well-placed uppercut under his chin,

As for the Benin expedition, there are stories that there were traitors who spoilt the juju or sold out the Benins, more more the British comprise a lot of Africans from neighboring tribes who were pretty Jazzed up themselves, so could it be that Jazz cancell Jazz?,

For me i don't believe most of these stories but i don't think we have been in fear by mere TALES alone for all these Centuries, there is definitely credence to many of them,

For those who think Africa has been held behind by the fear of Juju, yes but that is besides it, South Korea, Japan, India, China, Aztecs has been venerating Idols for centuries and they are still developing, ancient Rome, Greece, Egypt achieved feats that we found daunting and call ancient wonders, but they were all heathens/pagans/human-sacrificing societies.

If Nigeria is to develop the fear of Juju is not a Hindrance, its just a Nuisance in the process.

In 21st century, Nigeria is still relying on superstitions and spirits to solver her national problems created by politicians. Just reminds me of how Obj blamed power failure on evil spirit.  No wonder philosopher, Soren Kierkegaard says that it takes a leap of faith to believe  these parodoxies.

kobikwelu:

dey dia dey blow big big grammer,
as far as it works, hey those guys should keep it up,


or do u have  a berra idea??

before you start, dont dream of mentioning the government or police,

now am listening

Ranoscky:

very bored topic, can u believe that i just slept for some few munites over this topic?

Abeg juju or no juju make una leave dem like dat na, i no also believ d juju of a tin but all man with'em own abeg

rabzy:


The issue of the efficacy of Juju is hard to establish. I have heard tales from personal family members (am from esan, Edo state), my father told me of how his former landlady when he was still a bachelor once came to his room (here in Lagos) in a dream and beat him with canes and when he woke he saw marks on him, he went to warn the Lady that he did not from such acts in Edo, and that there is no way she can succeed here in Lagos. In Public Secondary schools here in Lagos, a lot is said about boys fighting with Jazz and enough eye-witness account, i have a friend in the my office here, who said he had once seen a guy conjure a cutlass from thin air during an inter-school football clash. Its hard to just say all these things are stories.

@Richyblack, you said in an earlier post that humans are not supernatural beigns and therefore cannot do supernatural juju, as a professed christian,

what would you say about the magic-conjurers of Egypt who were able to duplicate the first 3 plagues of Moses, of note is the Biblical fact that said, they conjured up frogs also, but they could not duplicate the other plaques because God prevented it,

what about the servant girl that was following Paul and Barnabas, who used to foretell events accurately b4 she was cured of the Demon plaqueing her,
The Bible condemned several spiristitic  practices, e.g Foretune -telling, casting of spells on people, inquiring of the dead (Saul and the witch of endor), the new testament talked about a couple of people who performed supernatural acts with demonic powers e.g Simon. So can a Christian say he doesn't believe in usage of demonic powers to perform supernatural deeds, when the Bible is replete with people who did.

For those who say why are they not always 'true for all values' as we say in mathematics, we could consider that these are spirit beings with their own interest in the matter and they could choose to do what-ever they like as they deem fit, either to answer the conjurer  or not, they are not chemicals that would always lose or gain an elctron 'under standard temperature and pressure'.

If someone slaps me and i turn the other cheek, it does not mean tomorrow if he does again or if someone else does i would not put a well-placed uppercut under his chin,

As for the Benin expedition, there are stories that there were traitors who spoilt the juju or sold out the Benins, more more the British comprise a lot of Africans from neighboring tribes who were pretty Jazzed up themselves, so could it be that Jazz cancell Jazz?,

For me i don't believe most of these stories but i don't think we have been in fear by mere TALES alone for all these Centuries, there is definitely credence to many of them,

For those who think Africa has been held behind by the fear of Juju, yes but that is besides it, South Korea, Japan, India, China, Aztecs has been venerating Idols for centuries and they are still developing, ancient Rome, Greece, Egypt achieved feats that we found daunting and call ancient wonders, but they were all heathens/pagans/human-sacrificing societies.

If Nigeria is to develop the fear of Juju is not a Hindrance, its just a Nuisance in the process.

 

~Bluetooth:

it's no longer a benin matter because virtually all search engine must have picked this topic and i just keep wondering how weird it will look like to non-nigerians.it's kinda embarrassing fighting with 'curses'.

adconline:

It's works in your little mind, but does not work in real world. Got it?

Benin Kingdom known for all these silly beliefs was captured by the Europeans that their king was forced into exile, so what did not work during that time is not going to work now. There is a historical fact that it never worked.

SapeleGuy:



I guess this your theory can be applied to christianity, afterall Jesus was crucified.

adconline:

One of the best post so far lol
Your best post for nation that has refused work? Why dont U let juju do things i.e write your posts ,do your laundry, run errands etc?

Cohomology:

Very ignorant statement from a novice in Christian teachings. Trying to insult Christ by comparing Him to a mere mortal like the Oba of Benin is foolhardy and infantile.

According to Christian teachings:
1. Christ never resisted or attempted to fight his transgressors.
2. He even spoke against one of his disciples who used his sword to attack a Roman soldier in a clumsy bid to protest the messiah.
3. The entire plan of Christ's coming to earth was to die for humanity's salvation.
4. His death was not the result of a failed bit to save His life, but from a deliberate move to offer humanity a path to salvation.
5. The culmination of all His sojourn on earth was His resurrection.


Contrast:
1. The Oba of Benin not only resisted but instigated the attack on Benin by his savage murder in cold blood of the Acting Consul-General Phillips and most of his fellow travelers to Benin.

2. Human sacrifice (a despicable and worthless act of ritual murder which has zero effect apart from the death of an innocent) was part of the so-called fortification used to "protect" Benin against the impending British invasion caused by the poor judgment of Oba Ovonramwen's action of coldblooded murder.

3. The entire machinery of Benin was put into protecting the city, the palace and ultimately the Oba from harm. His capture was not the result of an act of surrender so as to save the city from attack. No. His forces failed to protect the city from a determined British fighting force.

4. His survival of the attack was only because the British, though with flaws, had a level of civility that ensured the Oba was not summarily executed. One could imagine that if the positions were reversed, the British soldiers would have been savagely executed by the Benin warriors, and their bodies probably used to prepare some useless concoction called juju.

5. His exile to Calabar  was not path of any grand plan by him but a continuation of British civility as opposed to savage acts like ritual murder or cannibalism.

SapeleGuy:

E be like say dem don spoil market for una for Benin!

There are curses in all religions worldwide including christianity, it is the opposite of a blessing.

I guess this your theory can be applied to christianity, afterall Jesus was crucified.

snowdrops:

the government employed the services of more police officers, even invited the army, used various clogans ie operation thunderstorm, fire for fire, etc. but crime increased in direct proportion to the extra government efforts.

a curse which is only a verbal pronunciation brought about within days criminals begging for forgiveness. that does not mean the police  or government has retired or gone to sleep.

people are unhappy because they want the status quo to continue ie rampaging criminals in the state. after all most of the most vocal guys here live abroad or in other states where they don't have to sleep with one eye open.

shame on all of you.

Ranoscky:

Make i ask again, why una dey drink panadol for the Oba headache?  make una leavam na ah ah? 

east sef dey boil now with kidnaping, had it been dis Oba no come up with this idea i sure say una go dey blame

doz kidnper's, but bini Oba came up with his own idea to stop the crime in "his state" and u guys kept drinking

unneccessary panadol for his headache. Nna mehn, una own strong O. . .

RichyBlacK:

@SapeleGuy,

Interesting. But Jesus' entire plan was to die for humanity. I really don't see the sense you're making.

SapeleGuy:

This all depends on your understanding of whether christianity is syncretic and if you think the bible is a historical or an allegorical account.

Your theory begs other questions, should the Jews have abandoned their religion because of the holocaust?
Were the actions of Hitler representative of all christians?
Should the Binis abandon their religion and beliefs because of the invasion?
Hindus also suffered the same fate should they also abandon their religion?

We must refrain from double standards and respect the rights of others and promote religious tolerance.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/faith:

faith  (fth)
n.
1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
4. often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
6. A set of principles or beliefs.

RichyBlacK:


I look forward to the day that the overwhelming majority of Nigerians will dismiss juju claims as the fraud they truly are.

Thank you.

netotse:

be prepared to look for a long time. . .lol

redsun:

Ricky,since you are a christian and you think christianity is in anyway different from juju practices,does walking on water literally by jesus make sense to you as a rational mind,as well the literal pathing of the red sea by moses?