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Sallah Gift; In Order Not To Neglect Jesus,all Christians Must Embrace Islam by Godisperfect77: 7:31am On Aug 21, 2018
Like the Christians;
1. Muslims believe in Jesus as a mighty prophet of God (Qur'an 19:30).

2. Muslims believe in Jesus miraculous birth(Qur'an 21:91)

3. Muslims believe in all the miracles Jesus performed during his earthly ministry (Qur'an 5:110)

4. Muslims believe in Jesus ascension to heaven (Qur'an 4:158)

5. Muslims believe in Jesus 2nd coming toward the end of the world.(Qur'an 43:57-61)

But on the issue of Jesus crucifixion, this is what the Qur'an says;

"That they ( i:e the Jews) said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they KILL HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not (Qur'an 4:157)"


Here are six powerful biblical reasons why Qur'an must be true in saying that Jesus was not crucified;


1. Jesus prayed to God in the garden of Gethsemane in THREE DIFFERENT CONSECUTIVE TIMES asking for the "cup (i:e the crucifixion)" to be taken away from him;

“My Father, if it is possible, MAY THIS CUP BE TAKEN AWAY FROM ME. Yet not as I will, but as you will" (see Matthew 26:36-44)".

Jesus said; "IF IT IS POSSIBLE". YET EVERYTHING, THAT IS REASONABLE, IS POSSIBLE FOR GOD . And it is reasonable for God to save Jesus Christ from being crucified by his enemy.

Therefore, if God already knew that he would not answer this Jesus' prayer, then God must have kept the tongue of Jesus from using the phrase "IF IT IS POSSIBLE" because everything that is reasonable is possible for God.

Since God deliberately allowed Jesus to use the Phrase "IF IT IS POSSIBLE" in his prayer for the crucifixion to be taken away from him, then God must have answered Jesus prayer and then he must have escaped the crucifixion because everything that is reasonable is possible for God.

Why would God not answer his prayer when the soul of Jesus was EXCEEDINGLY SORROWFUL EVEN UNTO DEATH (Matthew 26:38) and prayed so earnestly to the extent that his SWEAT WAS LIKE DROPS OF BLOOD falling down to the ground (Luke 22:44). Remember, the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man ( let alone a righteous and beloved prophet of God like Jesus) avails much (James 5:16).

However, according to the Christian scholars, God still allowed Jesus to be crucified by his enemy DESPITE ALL HIS BLOOD SWEATING PRAYER because there is NO OTHER WAY for God to save the children of Adam from eternal damnation except through Jesus crucifixion.
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY for omnipotent and omniscient God ? Does this submission make any sense to you? Honestly, this is nothing but blasphemy and insult against the Majesty of God!

If God is All-powerful and All-knowing Creator, why must He be compelled to follow one particular way- especially a way that will later require Him to KILL and CURSE (see the 2nd point below) His only begotten son . Is that how an innocent, righteous and beloved son should be treated by his merciful and lovely Father ?

If it is an act of INJUSTICE for a merciful and lovely Father to FREELY forgive and save His OWN sinful children, then is it not a GREATER act of INJUSTICE for the same Father to kill and curse the ONLY righteous child among them ?
In fact, the whole story of Christianity can be summarized as follows;

"There is one powerful and merciful Father who killed and cursed His ONLY righteous child simply because He wanted to forgive and save His remaining sinful children: Yet how the remaining sinful children became sinful is NOT without His knowledge and power".

Before the advent of Christianity, can anybody in his right sense have just 1% belief in this story ?
But here we have today in our midst, men of knowledge and intellect and particularly professionals who have 100% belief in this story when the same story is repackaged and adorned with attire of religion.

2. Anyone that is hanged or crucified is accursed by God:
"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, BEING MADE A CURSE for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE that is hanged on a tree (Galatians 3:13)". See also Deuteronomy 21:23.

Yet it is totally against the divine principle for God to put His innocent, righteous and beloved son (or prophet) under His curse for any reason whatsoever.

Matthew 25:41says;
"Then he(Jesus) will also say to those on the LEFT HAND, Depart from me, you CURSED, into the everlasting fire, prepared for the DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS".

As you can see from the verse above: It is only those on the LEFT HAND who belong to the group of the "DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS " that are usually under the CURSE of God. It is impossible for an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God like Jesus to be under the SAME CURSE with the devil and his angels because he never did anything wrong or anything against the will of his Father. Therefore, Jesus must escape the crucifixion in order not to become an "accursed son of God" or "accursed prophet" or "accursed messiah".


3. Jesus was not sent to the entire world to die for our sins. He was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24).
If Jesus was really sent to the entire world to die for both the Israelites and the Gentiles, then why did he have to tell that Canaanite woman that he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:21-24) ? Even if, according to the divine plan, Jesus and his apostles would first minister to the Israelites before the Gentiles, then Jesus' statement directed to that woman should have been: "IT IS NOT YET TIME FOR THE GENTILES" or something similar in meaning rather than “I WAS SENT ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL”. Why did Jesus have to say he was sent only to the Israelites if he was truly sent to the entire world to die on the cross for our sins ? This single fact alone is enough to prove that Jesus did not come to the world to die for our sins.


4. The sins of the sinners CANNOT be laid upon the righteous;

"The soul that sinned, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son. THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE RIGHTEOUS shall be upon him, and the WICKEDNESS OF THE WICKED shall be upon him" (Ezekiel 18:20).

Remember, this verse completely NULLIFY the main christian ideology which says : "the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon the righteous (i:e all the sin of sinners shall be laid upon Jesus Christ- 2 Corinthians 5:21, 1Peter 2:24, Hebrew 9:28)".

One important question need to be answered;
If the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him (as the verse above declare) and NOT upon the righteous (as the Christians use to claim), then how can the wicked be saved and not die as a result of his wickedness ?

Again, the book of Ezekiel answer this question;

"Son of man, say to the Israelites; this is what you are saying: our offenses and sins weigh us down, and we are wasting away because of them. How then can we live? Say to them: as surely as I live declares the sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! TURN FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS! Why will you die, people of Israel? Therefore, son of man say to your people if someone, one who is wicked, REPENTS, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation And if I say to the wicked person, you will surely die, but they then TURN FROM THEIR SINS and do what is just and right…follow the decree that gives life, and do no evil --THAT PERSON WILL SURELY LIVE :THEY WILL NOT DIE. NONE OF THE SINS that person has committed will be remembered against them. They have done what is just and right; they will surely live (Ezekiel 33:10-16)".

Have you now seen that there is no need for the righteous to bear the sins of the sinners before the sinners can be saved and lived. The sinners can simply atone for their sins by REPENTANCE.

Jesus confirmed this truth when he said; I came not to call the righteous, but SINNERS TO REPENTANCE (Luke 5:32).
If Jesus has actually come to die for the sinners, he would have mentioned it in this verse since he was talking about the purpose of his coming WITH RESPECT TO THE SINNERS.

5. The death of Jesus on the cross is NOT necessary; Old testament believers were able to gain salvation without Jesus crucifixion.

God can decide to forgive our sins and earn our salvation through SINCERE REPENTANCE (see Ezekiel 33:10-16 quoted above) coupled with ANNUAL ANIMAL SACRIFICE ;

"He is to lay both hands on the head of the live GOAT and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites —ALL THEIR SINS— and put them on the goat’s head. He shall send the GOAT away into the wilderness in the care of someone appointed for the task. The GOAT will carry on itself ALL THEIR SINS to a remote place; and the man shall release it in the wilderness....... .. Then, before the Lord, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS (Leviticus 16:21-30)"

Here we read in the last verse ; “Then before the LORD, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS” (Leviticus 16:30).
Yet the new Testament proclaimed that; " It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to TAKE AWAY SINS (Hebrew 10:4)".
This is a flat contradiction. Is there any difference between "CLEAN FROM ALL SINS" and "TAKE AWAY SINS" ?
The only way to resolve this contradiction is when we assume that the phrase "TAKE AWAY SINS" in Hebrews 10:4 implies "complete removal of humanity sinful nature" and NOT referring to "cleanliness from already committed sins".
However, complete removal of humanity sinful nature is impossible as NOBODY can be completely FREE from committing sins (see 1 John:8-10).

Therefore, Hebrew 10:4 is a great lie deliberately fabricated by Paul to weaken the atonement of sins through animal sacrifice and then justify atonement of sins through Jesus crucifixion.
Therefore, if the main purpose of Jesus crucifixion is to achieve forgiveness and cleanliness from our sins, then the death of Jesus on the cross IS NOT NECESSARY; IT IS NOT THE ONLY WAY as claimed by the Christian scholars. God can decide to forgive our sins through sincere repentance or through animal sacrifice as He has done with the Old testament believers that lived and died before Jesus arrival.
Some Christians might want to argue that Jesus crucifixion make us entitle to many spiritual benefits that GO BEYOND forgiveness and cleanliness from our sins. But no matter how numerous the spiritual benefits that can be derived from Jesus crucifixion, there is no way for such benefits to be ACTUALIZED in the life of the Old Testament believers (like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah etc) because they have lived and died before Jesus arrival talk less of his supposed crucifixion. Yet these people manage to earn their salvation and reconciliation back to God (because there is no any biblical verse that says these Old Testament believers were in a certain state of condemnation after their death until the time of Jesus crucifixion). So if these old testament believers, who happened to be among the children of Adam, were able to gain their salvation without Jesus crucifixion, then there is alternative way also for the other children of Adam to gain their salvation WITHOUT Jesus crucifixion.

6. The act of crucifying one human being (Jesus ) to save the humanity from one problem or the other is nothing but human sacrifice. Yet God Almighty hates human sacrifice (see Deuteronomy 12:31 and Leviticus 18:21 ).

If, according to the Christians, God Almighty can carry out human sacrifice, then what is the difference between Christianity and traditional African religions which also support human sacrifice? Is there any difference between the two ? As Jesus was not willing to die (see the first reason above) so also the victims of the traditional African religions are not willing to die.

Paul declare as follows;
"I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain (Galatians 2:21)".

So according to Paul “human sacrifice” is the grace of God. Yet the same Christians, who agree that Paul is right in his claim, would continue to condemn traditional Africa religions for engaging in human sacrifice. Why the double standard since “human sacrifice” is “human sacrifice” ?

WAS JESUS REALLY CRUCIFIED ?
The Holy Quran replies and the choice is yours: “they KILL HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM ( Holy Quran 4:157)".

Now let us assume that Jesus crucifixion is true. Do you think Muslims are deserve to be condemned by God on the last day simply because they fail to believe in Jesus crucifixion despite all their five beliefs (cited at the beginning) concerning Jesus Christ?
To answer this question, let suppose the following conversation take place between God Almighty and the Muslims on the day of Judgement on the assumption that Jesus crucifixion is true

God: O you Muslims why did you refuse to believe in Jesus crucifixion ?

Muslims : O Lord our God and creator, Qur'an make us to believe in Jesus as Your mighty prophet who was born miraculously by virgin Mary. Qur'an also make us to believe in all the miracles that Jesus performed during his earthly ministry. Furthermore, Qur'an make us to believe in Jesus'ascension to heaven and that he is coming back toward the end of the world. So it is also written in the same Qur'an that Jesus was not crucified.

God; Yes, your Qur'an is true regarding all those things it mentioned concerning Jesus. But why are you so sure that your Qur'an did not get it wrong on the issue of Jesus crucifixion ?

Muslims: O Lord our God and Creator, the reason why we believe that Qur'an is also true on the issue of Jesus crucifixion is because Bible also declare that anyone that is crucified is accursed by God (Deuteronomy 21:23, Galatians 3:13) and it is is not possible for You as a God of love, mercy and justice to put your innocent and beloved prophet under Your curse. From the logical reasoning you gave to us as human being, we realized that only the devils and his followers are deserved to be under your curse: NOT your innocent, righteous and beloved prophet like Jesus Christ, who never did anything against Your Will. You are naturally known to always BLESS Your innocent, righteous and beloved prophets and never to CURSE any one of them.

Please do you think God Almighty can still have an evidence against the Muslims concerning the issue of Jesus crucifixion base on this reasonable reply ?
Consequently, even if Jesus crucifixion is true, Muslims CANNOT BE CONDEMNED by God for not believing in it; they CANNOT BE PERISHED. Yet Paul wrote in his epistle:

"the message of the cross ( i:e Jesus crucifixion) is foolishness to those who are PERISHING (1st Corinthians 1:18)".

See how Paul got it wrong!

Jesus crucifixion is one of the FOUNDATIONAL PILLARS of the present day Christianity . You will notice that the symbol of "CROSS" used to represent Christianity stands for Jesus crucifixion. In other words, if there is no Jesus crucifixion, then there is no Christianity.

Hence, if the ONLY true faith from God is Christianity, then being one of the foundational pillars of Christianity, NOBODY MUST HAVE A STRONG AND REASONABLE EXCUSE for not believing in Jesus crucifixion . However, as we have shown above, Muslims have a strong and reasonable excuse for not believing in Jesus crucifixion. Therefore, the ONLY true faith from God is NOT Christianity. And if the ONLY true faith from God is not Christianity, then Christianity must be a FALSE faith. Being a false faith, Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Christianity.

Therefore, in order not to neglect Jesus completely, all Christians must embrace Islam. This is because apart from Christianity, Islam is the only faith on earth that make believing in Jesus and all other biblical prophets as one of the basic and most fundamental article of its faith.
Re: Sallah Gift; In Order Not To Neglect Jesus,all Christians Must Embrace Islam by Shelumiel: 7:43am On Aug 21, 2018
According to the sura verse you posted (Quran4:157), it seems that Allah deceived Christians into thinking Jesus was killed, right ? Please why would God stoop to the level of trickery just to save His Anointed from harm ? Does that make sense ...is that the true character of God? I do not think so .

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Re: Sallah Gift; In Order Not To Neglect Jesus,all Christians Must Embrace Islam by mamaafrik(m): 7:55am On Aug 21, 2018
i believe your post is baseless,you call dat"pick the one that suits you,discard the rest"orientations of muslims the reason why Christians should adopt islam??

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Re: Sallah Gift; In Order Not To Neglect Jesus,all Christians Must Embrace Islam by zionmde: 8:10am On Aug 21, 2018
yeah we should all embrace the religion of the bomb, by the bombs and for the bombs

if I get to ur hell (ooooops imaginary heaven) even kpohammad will be looking for some of his virgins.
A heaven of perpetual virgins.

As for that ur Isa u believe in, he is absolutely different from Jesus

Islam have no single relationship with Christianity live with that

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Re: Sallah Gift; In Order Not To Neglect Jesus,all Christians Must Embrace Islam by Godisperfect77: 10:31am On Aug 22, 2018
Mr Shelumiel wrote as follows
"According to the sura verse you posted (Quran4:157), it seems that Allah deceived Christians into thinking Jesus was killed, right ? Please why would God stoop to the level of trickery just to save His Anointed from harm ? Does that make sense ...is that the true chalracter of God? I do not think so"

This is my reply;

There was a time that all the people of the world believed that Earth is flat in shape due to HOW IT APPEAR PHYSICALLY TO THEIR SENSE OF SIGHT. Yet the Earth is not flat in shape but spherical
Now suppose God sent a prophet to this ancient people . And it was written in a book given to this prophet as follows;
"That they said( in boast):Earth is flat in shape. But the Earth is not flat in shape, BUT SO IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM. They have no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety, the earth is not flat in shape but spherical".
Based on this fact, Please can we say God Almighty deceived this people into thinking that Earth is flat ? Can we say God stoop to the level of trickery by making the Earth to look as being flat in shape IN THE EYES OF THESE ANCIENT PEOPLE?
Another analogy is the case of evolution. Evolutionists believe that human being evolved from great African apes due to vague resemblance between the physical appearance and the DNA of these two species . Now if God says ; "Human being did not evolve from apes.BUT SO IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM", can we say God stoop to the level of trickery by making the the DNA and physical appearance of apes and human being to look alike in the EYES OF THESE EVOLUTIONISTS ?
All these are not trickery or deception on the part of God but MISCONCEPTION DUE TO INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE on the part of this ancient people and on the part of evolutionists.
Similar thing occur on the issue of Jesus crucifixion, Almost all the people of the earth including both the Jews and Christians believed that Jesus was crucified due to their INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE about what really happened. This is the reason why God says; "and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE, but only conjecture to follow( Qur'an 4:157).
Therefore, Allah's statement " but so it was made to appear to them" that Jesus was crucified is NOT TRICKERY OR DECEPTION on the part of God but MISCONCEPTION DUE TO INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDE ON THE PART OF THOSE WHO WITNESSED THE EVENTS.
Sorry Mr Shelumiel ! You cannot use your fallacious argument to justify the story of "one powerful and merciful Father who killed and cursed His ONLY righteous child simply because He wanted to forgive and save His remaining sinful children: Yet how the remaining sinful children became sinful is NOT without His knowledge and power".
Re: Sallah Gift; In Order Not To Neglect Jesus,all Christians Must Embrace Islam by Godisperfect77: 10:32am On Aug 22, 2018
Mr Shelumiel wrote as follows
"According to the sura verse you posted (Quran4:157), it seems that Allah deceived Christians into thinking Jesus was killed, right ? Please why would God stoop to the level of trickery just to save His Anointed from harm ? Does that make sense ...is that the true chalracter of God? I do not think so"
This is my reply;
There was a time that all the people of the world believed that Earth is flat in shape due to HOW IT APPEAR PHYSICALLY TO THEIR SENSE OF SIGHT. Yet the Earth is not flat in shape but spherical
Now suppose God sent a prophet to this ancient people . And it was written in a book given to this prophet as follows;
"That they said( in boast):Earth is flat in shape. But the Earth is not flat in shape, BUT SO IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM. They have no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety, the earth is not flat in shape but spherical".
Based on this fact, Please can we say God Almighty deceived this people into thinking that Earth is flat ? Can we say God stoop to the level of trickery by making the Earth to look as being flat in shape IN THE EYES OF THESE ANCIENT PEOPLE?
Another analogy is the case of evolution. Evolutionists believe that human being evolved from great African apes due to vague resemblance between the physical appearance and the DNA of these two species . Now if God says ; "Human being did not evolve from apes.BUT SO IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM", can we say God stoop to the level of trickery by making the the DNA and physical appearance of apes and human being to look alike in the EYES OF THESE EVOLUTIONISTS ?
All these are not trickery or deception on the part of God but MISCONCEPTION DUE TO INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE on the part of this ancient people and on the part of evolutionists.
Similar thing occur on the issue of Jesus crucifixion, Almost all the people of the earth including both the Jews and Christians believed that Jesus was crucified due to their INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE about what really happened. This is the reason why God says; "and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE, but only conjecture to follow( Qur'an 4:157).
Therefore, Allah's statement " but so it was made to appear to them" that Jesus was crucified is NOT TRICKERY OR DECEPTION on the part of God but MISCONCEPTION DUE TO INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDE ON THE PART OF THOSE WHO WITNESSED THE EVENTS.
Sorry Mr Shelumiel, you cannot use your fallacious argument to justify the story of "one powerful and merciful Father who killed and cursed His ONLY righteous child simply because He wanted to forgive and save His remaining sinful children: Yet how the remaining sinful children became sinful is NOT without His knowledge and power".
Re: Sallah Gift; In Order Not To Neglect Jesus,all Christians Must Embrace Islam by Shelumiel: 10:44am On Aug 22, 2018
Godisperfect77:
Mr Shelumiel wrote as follows
"According to the sura verse you posted (Quran4:157), it seems that Allah deceived Christians into thinking Jesus was killed, right ? Please why would God stoop to the level of trickery just to save His Anointed from harm ? Does that make sense ...is that the true chalracter of God? I do not think so"

This is my reply;

There was a time that all the people of the world believed that Earth is flat in shape due to HOW IT APPEAR PHYSICALLY TO THEIR SENSE OF SIGHT. Yet the Earth is not flat in shape but spherical
Now suppose God sent a prophet to this ancient people . And it was written in a book given to this prophet as follows;
"That they said( in boast):Earth is flat in shape. But the Earth is not flat in shape, BUT SO IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM. They have no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety, the earth is not flat in shape but spherical".
Based on this fact, Please can we say God Almighty deceived this people into thinking that Earth is flat ? Can we say God stoop to the level of trickery by making the Earth to look as being flat in shape IN THE EYES OF THESE ANCIENT PEOPLE?
Another analogy is the case of evolution. Evolutionists believe that human being evolved from great African apes due to vague resemblance between the physical appearance and the DNA of these two species . Now if God says ; "Human being did not evolve from apes.BUT SO IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM", can we say God stoop to the level of trickery by making the the DNA and physical appearance of apes and human being to look alike in the EYES OF THESE EVOLUTIONISTS ?
All these are not trickery or deception on the part of God but MISCONCEPTION DUE TO INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE on the part of this ancient people and on the part of evolutionists.
Similar thing occur on the issue of Jesus crucifixion, Almost all the people of the earth including both the Jews and Christians believed that Jesus was crucified due to their INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE about what really happened. This is the reason why God says; "and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE, but only conjecture to follow( Qur'an 4:157).
Therefore, Allah's statement " but so it was made to appear to them" that Jesus was crucified is NOT TRICKERY OR DECEPTION on the part of God but MISCONCEPTION DUE TO INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDE ON THE PART OF THOSE WHO WITNESSED THE EVENTS.
Sorry Mr Shelumiel ! You cannot use your fallacious argument to justify the story of "one powerful and merciful Father who killed and cursed His ONLY righteous child simply because He wanted to forgive and save His remaining sinful children: Yet how the remaining sinful children became sinful is NOT without His knowledge and power".
You have not justified why Allah would lie to the Christians; your argument is devoid of any logical reasoning . But if you are still in doubt of the many lies of Allah, then please read the story of the Prophet when he was at the battle of Badr. In that narrative, we were made to understand that Allah deceived the prophet into thinking his enemies were fewer than what he saw them to be . If that does not still substantiate my point , please see this sura: Sura15:39: " [Iblis (Satan)] said: "O my Lord!
Because you misled me
(aghwaytanee) , I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead (walaoghwiyannahum) them all ." In this Sura verse , Iblis confirms that Allah deceived him, and he vows to take vengeance on mankind because Allah deceived him first.

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Re: Sallah Gift; In Order Not To Neglect Jesus,all Christians Must Embrace Islam by enilove(m): 3:03pm On Aug 22, 2018
Godisperfect77:
Mr Shelumiel wrote as follows
"According to the sura verse you posted (Quran4:157), it seems that Allah deceived Christians into thinking Jesus was killed, right ? Please why would God stoop to the level of trickery just to save His Anointed from harm ? Does that make sense ...is that the true chalracter of God? I do not think so"
This is my reply;
There was a time that all the people of the world believed that Earth is flat in shape due to HOW IT APPEAR PHYSICALLY TO THEIR SENSE OF SIGHT. Yet the Earth is not flat in shape but spherical
Now suppose God sent a prophet to this ancient people . And it was written in a book given to this prophet as follows;
"That they said( in boast):Earth is flat in shape. But the Earth is not flat in shape, BUT SO IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM. They have no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety, the earth is not flat in shape but spherical".
Based on this fact, Please can we say God Almighty deceived this people into thinking that Earth is flat ? Can we say God stoop to the level of trickery by making the Earth to look as being flat in shape IN THE EYES OF THESE ANCIENT PEOPLE?
Another analogy is the case of evolution. Evolutionists believe that human being evolved from great African apes due to vague resemblance between the physical appearance and the DNA of these two species . Now if God says ; "Human being did not evolve from apes.BUT SO IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM", can we say God stoop to the level of trickery by making the the DNA and physical appearance of apes and human being to look alike in the EYES OF THESE EVOLUTIONISTS ?
All these are not trickery or deception on the part of God but MISCONCEPTION DUE TO INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE on the part of this ancient people and on the part of evolutionists.
Similar thing occur on the issue of Jesus crucifixion, Almost all the people of the earth including both the Jews and Christians believed that Jesus was crucified due to their INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE about what really happened. This is the reason why God says; "and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE, but only conjecture to follow( Qur'an 4:157).
Therefore, Allah's statement " but so it was made to appear to them" that Jesus was crucified is NOT TRICKERY OR DECEPTION on the part of God but MISCONCEPTION DUE TO INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDE ON THE PART OF THOSE WHO WITNESSED THE EVENTS.
Sorry Mr Shelumiel, you cannot use your fallacious argument to justify the story of "one powerful and merciful Father who killed and cursed His ONLY righteous child simply because He wanted to forgive and save His remaining sinful children: Yet how the remaining sinful children became sinful is NOT without His knowledge and power".



Your Islam is the Antichrist :

It started by killing the Christians and the Jews .

It also denied the death of Jesus which is universally accepted as the truth.

Only a fool and spiritual illetrates will accept Muhammad , a sex maniac , as a prophet like the holy prophets of the Bible.

1 John 2:22 KJV
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD ARE LIARS.

The Quran is a book from the lying god :
Allah SWT says:

وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا إِنَّمَآ أَنْتَ مُفْتَرٍ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
"And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know."
(QS. An-Nahl: Verse 101)

Why substituting one for another , if allah ( useless demon husband of allat ) knows everything?

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Re: Sallah Gift; In Order Not To Neglect Jesus,all Christians Must Embrace Islam by Shelumiel: 3:12pm On Aug 22, 2018
enilove:




Your Islam is the Antichrist :

It started by killing the Christians and the Jews .

It also denied the death of Jesus which is universally accepted as the truth.

Only a fool and spiritual illetrates will accept Muhammad , a sex maniac , as a prophet like the holy prophets of the Bible.

1 John 2:22 KJV
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD ARE LIARS.

The Quran is a book from the lying god :
Allah SWT says:

وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا إِنَّمَآ أَنْتَ مُفْتَرٍ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
"And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know."
(QS. An-Nahl: Verse 101)

Why substituting one for another , if allah ( useless demon husband of allat ) knows everything?


Please no insults; it is not Christ-like . And secondly, I am not a Muslim.
Re: Sallah Gift; In Order Not To Neglect Jesus,all Christians Must Embrace Islam by enilove(m): 3:21pm On Aug 22, 2018
Shelumiel:
Please no insults; it is not Christ-like . And secondly, I am not a Muslim.

Did I quote you ?

It is an insult when an unbeliever calls my God a liar.

I did not abuse the op neither did I abuse you .

Pls, next time check very well b4 jumping to conclusion.
Re: Sallah Gift; In Order Not To Neglect Jesus,all Christians Must Embrace Islam by Shelumiel: 3:28pm On Aug 22, 2018
enilove:


Did I quote you ?

It is an insult when an unbeliever calls my God a liar.

I did not abuse the op neither did I abuse you .

Pls, next time check very well b4 jumping to conclusion.
I got your message which is why I had to notify you . And secondly , you will not win anybody by insulting their God.

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