I believe the best thinkers think both in the long and short term while poor thinkers think only in the short term or irrationally. In the Christian and Muslim population, majority tend to be moderate and while being moderate might sound nice, it has a formidable negative effect. Being a moderate requires you to acknowledge the "nice" parts of the bible/quran while ignoring other "nasty" parts and this requires ignorance or hypocrisy because a moderate is either unaware of these "nasty" parts OR is aware of them but chooses to live in denial. Being a moderate is not all right because moderates unknowingly act as a preservation and cover of religious fundamentalism. I shall explain

Truth is if you read the bible/quran and you believe it, take it "as it is" and you do what it demands of you, you would be what people and moderates call a fundamentalist or lunatic and being a Christian or Muslim fundamentalist is harmful to yourself and people around you. Now, as long as christianity and Islam "exists" and there are people reading the bible/quran, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A SET OF THESE PEOPLE THAT TAKE THE BIBLE AS "IT IS", BELIEVE IN IT AND ARE WILLING TO DO WHAT THE BIBLE/QURAN DEMANDS OF THEM. This means trouble for the society and the cause and source of this trouble is Christianity/Islam, which are the root of the problem. The moderates, because they are the majority, lead non-belivers to see moderates as the ideal representatives of what their religion entails and how it should be practiced and because moderates form the majority, non-belivers buy into this misconception and label the fundamentalists as lunatic or those who have misinterpreted or misunderstood.

The non-belivers won't bother reading the bible/quran and would be unaware of the extent of Islam and Christianity's harmfulness because they look at the moderate majority. The non-belivers will see no need to reform or ban Christianity/Islam because they see moderates(who appear peaceful) as the ideal representatives of their religion and what it requires from a human. This is because if the majority of a religion are peaceful then the religion won't be seen as the problem by non-belivers, especially if they are ignorant of what the holy books say. So as long as there are moderates, the root of the problem won't be addressed and eradicated ie. a lot of people would be unaware of the fact that christianity/islam is meant to yield fundamentalism rather they would see fundamentalism as a malfunction of the brains of the fundamentalist minority and try to deal with this minority but as long as the root of the problem exists, there would be fundamentalists as not all brainwashed religiotards would be ignorant and hypocritical of what their Holy book says.

So you see, moderates are a problem. They provide a cover for the cause of fundamentalism(The root of the problem), preserve fundamentalism and give the impression that they are the ideal representative of their religion and what it demands. Non-belivers would erroneously judge religion as harmless and peaceful because the moderate majority are peaceful and get on fine. Also, dangerous Islamic terrorist can camouflage themselves as moderates to protect themselves while they commit atrocities behind closed doors. The problem I have with moderates is that, unlike the fundamentalists, they are not after what their holy book says, they are all about convenience that's why they are full of metaphoric and allegorical interpretations and extra doctrines(eg. God help those who help themselves, god only looks at the heart, all religions are ways to the same god) they added to create convenience as they practice their religion.

... to be continued

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Let's look at the harms of christian and islamic fundamentalism.
1) Death and irreversible damage to the body due to refusing or delaying medical help.
2) Failure to marry and spend the rest of your life with someone you love because of religious differences. Luckily, both party get to catch up on reality years later and marry but some can't because they've gone far in a relationship and had kids with someone they never loved.
3) Forgoing great business and life opportunities because of your faith, because your pastor said no, you thought it wasn't God's plan or you were waiting on god for approval.
4) Causing great delay in marrying because you were waiting on god. Some women stay into their forties because they were waiting on god and they stay put because they thought god was testing them, taking them through a journey and refining them. Lmao, refining at 40something
5) Sacrificing great time and energy to learning and memorising scriptures, buying christian books with your hard earned ministry, quitting that great and high paying job for the ministry and soul winning, quitting and stunting intellectual pursuit and artistry for the sake of religion.
6) stunting and rejecting science and leaving people with a twisted perception of their reality.
There are many more but I will stop there.

If every believer were fundamentalist, religion would have been banned and eliminated because it would be easy to identify the root of the problem. Though there will be problems and conflicts in the short run if every believer were fundamentalist but in the long run, the issue of religion would have been easier to deal with and banned. Moderates play a huge role in preserving and prolonging the stay religion in this modern age.

... To be continued.

There is nothing like moderate Muslim OP

tartar9:
There is nothing like moderate Muslim OP

There are people that claim to be and I explained the requirement for such.

Moderate Christians and Muslims are Christians and Muslims that are influenced by secularism

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Being a moderate is nice in the short term but damaging in the long term. It's better to read your bible/quran and know what it says and then decide whether to be seriously religious or irreligious. A practical example of the damaging effect of the moderate majority is the masking of the islamisation of Europe and Canada; the preservation and protection of Islam in Europe and Canada and failure to properly address the problem of illegal Muslim immigration and the problems and vices these immigrants bring with them. This happens because, thanks to the moderate majority, people fruitlessly and endlessly focus on terrorist individuals rather than the root of the problem for reasons I explained earlier. In the long run, It's better to be a fundamentalist.

How to know if you are a moderate christian/muslim:
1) you believe all religions are serving the same god.
2) you believe that it doesn't matter how you live your life that god looks at the heart.
3) you believe god help those who help themselves.
4) you think modern medicine is god's miracle and that the only way he heals.
5) you think healing by faith is trash.
6) you think god has finished creation and has let us to fend for ourselves.
7) you think that the holy book should be followed with "wisdom".
if you like playing the god is merciful card. You don't see trespassing your doctrines as a big deal because god will forgive.
All these are for convenience.


Let me stop here, other can add their contribution. Lastly be sincere with your beliefs or become irreligious.

jFrankNorfleet:
Moderate Christians and Muslims are Christians and Muslims that are influenced by secularism

... and when they are influenced by secularism, they abandon certain scriptures.

Martinez19, you're my man, always have been.

Always on point. I couldn't have said it better.

This is the reality of Abrahamism laid bare. This is exactly what I mean when I denounce it as pernicous and evil, and declare the moderates more harmful than the extremists----because the extremists are just as mad as their religion demands, and everyone hates them for it, while the moderates are more evil in a rather insidious way, since they're practically responsible for the perpetuation of extremist insanity, which will always remain with us as long as these barbaric faiths exist.

So the real battle is against the ignorance or sheer DISHONESTY of the liberal, secularized moderates, because that is THE CAUSE OF THE DISEASE ITSELF, not the fanaticism and madness of the fundamentalists, which are nothing but SYMPTOMS of the malady.

Just as stated once before:

Kaderayayomikun: When a Muslim says "fanatics do not represent our religion," what does this actually mean? What religion do these maniacs represent, then? Afterall, they often quote passages from the Qur'an itself before they strike, so they are obviously studying the same literature as "moderate" Muslims. The difference is, they are willing to act on these grotesque teachings and moderates are not.

Though moderates will scream all day about how extremists do not represent them, do they ever actually seek to explain how that's the case... Or do they merely give us buzz-quotes, saying things like "Islam is peaceful. Mohammed is peaceful. Islam is love," and so forth?

A "moderate" Muslim caught defending Islam should be asked one simple question: Is the Qur'an perfect? If they say "no," then they are openly admitting that Islam has errors, hence cannot be the word of God, hence Mohammed was a false prophet, hence they are following a false faith, a total lie. They literally cannot say no. If they say "yes," then they are endorsing the nauseating passages in the Qur'an as being perfect, the everlasting message God chose to leave humanity with.

The moderate will usually say that the quotes are being taken "out of context." But, what possible fücking context could there be to justify all those bloodthirsty garbage?

Tozara:
Martinez19, you're my man, always have been.

Always on point. I couldn't have said it better.

This is the reality of Abrahamism laid bare. This is exactly what I mean when I denounce it as pernicous and evil, and declare the moderates more harmful than the extremists----because the extremists are just as mad as their religion demands, and everyone hates them for it, while the moderates are more evil in a rather insidious way, since they're practically responsible for the perpetuation of extremist insanity, which will always remain with us as long as these barbaric faiths exist.

So the real battle is against the ignorance or sheer DISHONESTY of the liberal, secularized moderates, because that is THE CAUSE OF THE DISEASE ITSELF, not the fanaticism and madness of the fundamentalists, which are nothing but SYMPTOMS of the malady.

Thank you. Most people love to feel good about themselves at the expense of reasoning. They embrace feelings and are short sighted.

Tozara:
Just as stated once before:

Exactly! It's all about feeling convenient.

The moderates are more hypocritical when it comes to their beliefs. They can never see any bad side of their religions. They only see the good side.
Objectivity eludes them, most normally fear persecution from their fellow believers when they say something outrightly against the institutionalized beliefs.

Martinez19:
I believe the best thinkers think both in the long and short term while poor thinkers think only in the short term or irrationally. In the Christian and Muslim population, majority tend to be moderate and while being moderate might sound nice, it has a formidable negative effect. Being a moderate requires you to acknowledge the "nice" parts of the bible/quran while ignoring other "nasty" parts and this requires ignorance or hypocrisy because a moderate is either unaware of these "nasty" parts OR is aware of them but chooses to live in denial. Being a moderate is not all right because moderates unknowingly act as a preservation and cover of religious fundamentalism. I shall explain

Truth is if you read the bible/quran and you believe it, take it "as it is" and you do what it demands of you, you would be what people and moderates call a fundamentalist or lunatic and being a Christian or Muslim fundamentalist is harmful to yourself and people around you. Now, as long as christianity and Islam "exists" and there are people reading the bible/quran, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A SET OF THESE PEOPLE THAT TAKE THE BIBLE AS "IT IS", BELIEVE IN IT AND ARE WILLING TO DO WHAT THE BIBLE/QURAN DEMANDS OF THEM. This means trouble for the society and the cause and source of this trouble is Christianity/Islam, which are the root of the problem. The moderates, because they are the majority, lead non-belivers to see moderates as the ideal representatives of what their religion entails and how it should be practiced and because moderates form the majority, non-belivers buy into this misconception and label the fundamentalists as lunatic or those who have misinterpreted or misunderstood.

The non-belivers won't bother reading the bible/quran and would be unaware of the extent of Islam and Christianity's harmfulness because they look at the moderate majority. The non-belivers will see no need to reform or ban Christianity/Islam because they see moderates(who appear peaceful) as the ideal representatives of their religion and what it requires from a human. This is because if the majority of a religion are peaceful then the religion won't be seen as the problem by non-belivers, especially if they are ignorant of what the holy books say. So as long as there are moderates, the root of the problem won't be addressed and eradicated ie. a lot of people would be unaware of the fact that christianity/islam is meant to yield fundamentalism rather they would see fundamentalism as a malfunction of the brains of the fundamentalist minority and try to deal with this minority but as long as the root of the problem exists, there would be fundamentalists as not all brainwashed religiotards would be ignorant and hypocritical of what their Holy book says.

So you see, moderates are a problem. They provide a cover for the cause of fundamentalism(The root of the problem), preserve fundamentalism and give the impression that they are the ideal representative of their religion and what it demands. Non-belivers would erroneously judge religion as harmless and peaceful because the moderate majority are peaceful and get on fine. Also, dangerous Islamic terrorist can camouflage themselves as moderates to protect themselves while they commit atrocities behind closed doors. The problem I have with moderates is that, unlike the fundamentalists, they are not after what their holy book says, they are all about convenience that's why they are full of metaphoric and allegorical interpretations and extra doctrines(eg. God help those who help themselves, god only looks at the heart, all religions are ways to the same god) they added to create convenience as they practice their religion.

... to be continued

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op, there is no scripture in the bible that makes any christian a troublesome fundermentalist or do you have any?

This shows that extremists are always very wrong, because they don't know their bible or Quran as the case may be.

As for being moderate or not being moderate in christianity, you don't need to read all the bible and know everything for you to be a christian .

Just believe in christ and love your neighbour that's all.

Whether you end up becoming a non moderate extremist fundermentalist or not, God is not interested in all that, you are on your own.

Just believe in christ that's all.

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paxonel:
op, there is no scripture in the bible that makes any christian a troublesome fundermentalist or do you have any?

This shows that extremists are always very wrong, because they don't know their bible or Quran as the case may be.

As for being moderate or not being moderate in christianity, you don't need to read all the bible and know everything for you to be a christian .

Just believe in christ and love your neighbour that's all.

Whether you end up becoming a non moderate extremist fundermentalist or not, God is not interested in all that, you are on your own.

Just believe in christ that's all.

All these church church rubbish I nor know where e dey Nigeria as a nation to

Tozara, take a look at this. A moderate on spot.

Martinez19:
Tozara, take a look at this. A moderate on spot.

where is the Tozara?
Can he identify any good reason why he should be an extremist from the bible or Quran stand point of view?