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Observing Christianity And Islam Under The Lens Of Ten Commandments by Godisreal55: 12:48pm On Oct 11, 2018
Despite their agreement on Jesus as a mighty prophet of God who was born miraculously by virgin Mary, Christians and Muslims still disagree on some certain issues concerning Jesus Christ. One of the great area of dispute between Christians and Muslims is the issue of Jesus crucifixion. Christians believe that Jesus MUST DIE for our sins (John 1:29) before we can be admitted into the kingdom of heaven. In fact, Jesus Christ, and his sacrificial death on the cross, is the central and the most important basic tenet of the Christian faith. You will notice that the symbol of "CROSS" which is usually used to represent Christianity stands for nothing but JESUS CRUCIFIXION. Therefore, Christians believe that Jesus crucifixion is true (Mark 15:25). But on the other hand, the Muslims believe that there is no need for Jesus to die on the cross for our sins before we can be admitted into paradise. They believe that SINCERE REPENTANCE from our sinful ways is enough to clean our sins before God (Qur'an 66:8, Ezekiel 33:10-16).Therefore, Muslims believe that Jesus crucifixion is NOT true on the authority of Holy Qur'an (Qur'an 4:157).


Base on this very DISAGREEMENT over the issue of Jesus crucifixion, it is IMPOSSIBLE for both Islam and Christianity to be a true faith from God at the same time. One faith must definitely be TRUE while the other faith must definitely be FALSE.

So how are we to arrive at the truth? Which faith is true and which faith is false? One of the ways to distinguish between a true faith and a false faith is by subjecting these two contrasting faiths to a COMMON TEST and see which one is going to pass and which one is going to fail. Since both Muslims and Christians believe in the TEN commandments of God given to Moses, I have decided to use it as the basis for this common test.

Consequently, a simplified list of all the TEN commandments of God given to Moses (pbuh) are cited below
1. “You shall have no other gods before me."
2. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, "
3. “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain"
4. “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. “Honor your father and your mother."
6. “You shall not murder."
7. “You shall not commit adultery."
8. “You shall not steal."
9. “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
10. “You shall not covet"
(Exodus 20:2-17 )
Through our universal inborn knowledge that God bestowed upon us as human being, we all know for sure that if ALL the people of the world were to obey ALL these TEN commandments of God given to Moses, it will surely be for the BETTERMENT of humanity both in this world and in the hereafter; it will NOT be for the worse.

Islam also agree with the fact that if ALL the people of the world were to obey ALL these TEN commandments of God given to Moses, it will surely be for the BETTERMENT of humanity both in this world and in the hereafter; it will NOT be for the worse.

But do you know what the Christianity says if ALL the people of the world decided to obey ALL the TEN commandments of God given to Moses ? Indirectly, Christianity says it will be for the WORSE; this is because NOBODY will inherit the kingdom of God.

But how is that possible ? Wait! Do not be hasty. Let me explain it to you. Remember, one of the TEN commandments of God given to Moses is “You shall not murder (Exodus 20:13)- the sixth commandment listed above " i:e People MUST NOT shed the blood of an INNOCENT human being.
Now after the departure of Moses, if ALL the people of the Earth decided to OBEY this very commandment, who is going to CRUCIFY innocent Jesus on the cross ? And if innocent Jesus did not get crucified, how was he going to DIE for for the SIN of humanity ? And if Jesus did not die for the sin of humanity, then NOBODY will enter the kingdom of heaven.

Have you now agreed that Christianity says indirectly; "if ALL the people of the world decided to OBEY ALL the TEN commandments of God given to MOSES, then it will be for the WORSE; Not for the betterment of humanity: because NOBODY will enter the kingdom of heaven". But this is totally AGAINST OUR INBORN KNOWLEDGE because we know for sure that if ALL the people of the world were to obey ALL the TEN commandments of God given to Moses, it will surely be for the BETTERMENT of humanity both in this world and in the hereafter; NOT for the worse.
We know quite right that all the people of the earth cannot obey all those ten commandments. We only use it as a TEST to know which either of the two faiths (Islam or Christianity) that is BEST IN CONFORMITY with our universal inborn knowledge that God Himself instilled in our mind; And we have seen how Islam passed and how Christianity failed the test.

This is one of the simple ways to know that the present-day Christianity is NOT a true religion from God but a man-made religion . God does not require the blood of an INNOCENT HUMAN BEING before He can can forgive our sins. Jesus was NOT even sent to the entire humanity talkless of dying for the sins of humanity. By his own admission; I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24).

But do you know the EXACT reason why Christianity failed that common test ? The reason is this; the wonderful way of God can NEVER be contradictory; God Almighty who says: "An innocent human being MUST NOT be killed (Exodus 20:13)" would NOT LATER CONTRADICT HIMSELF by saying: "An innocent human being MUST be killed" on the cross of Calvary BEFORE THE HUMANITY CAN GAIN ETERNAL LIFE . Honestly, the way of the Lord our God can be higher than our ways (Isaiah 55:8-9) but the way of the Lord our God can NEVER be contradictory. He is the Lord that do NOT change to contradict Himself. (Malachi 3:6, Numbers 23:19).

Looking at it from another angle, if Jesus crucifixion is the ONLY WAY to our salvation, then without any doubt, those who allegedly crucified Jesus christ really deserve KUDOS and HONOUR. But does it make any iota of sense to give kudos and honour to MURDERER of an innocent and righteous soul ? Again see the contradiction!

Since God is All-Knowing and All-Powerful Planner, His vast knowledge and immense power over everything can make it possible for Him to acheive His aim in so MANY ways. Therefore, it is NOT a mandatory upon God to choose one particular way; especially a way that will later require an INNOCENT HUMAN BEING to be KILLED on the cross.
Hence, if God of Power, Knowledge and Mercy really have MANY ways He can follow to achieve His aim, then DUE TO HIS MERCY, He must have chosen a NON-VIOLENT way to achieve His aim and He must have neglected a MORE-VIOLENT way that will later require an INNOCENT HUMAN BEING to be KILLED on the cross-which would be CONTRADICTORY to His original law that states an INNOCENT HUMAN BEING MUST NOT BE KILLED (Exodus 20:13).
Yes one of the NON-VIOLENT ways that God has chosen to achieve one of His aim (i:e creating a way of SALVATION FOR HUMANITY ) is SINCERE REPENTANCE;

Son of man, say to the Israelites; this is what you are saying: our offenses and sins weigh us down, and we are wasting away because of them. How then can we live? Say to them: as surely as I live declares the sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! TURN FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS! Why will you die, people of Israel? Therefore, son of man say to your people… if someone, one who is wicked, REPENTS, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation… And if I say to the wicked person, you will surely die, but they then TURN FROM THEIR SINS and do what is just and right…follow the decree that gives life, and do no evil--THAT PERSON WILL SURELY LIVE :THEY WILL NOT DIE. NONE OF THE SINS that person has committed will be remembered against them.They have done what is just and right; they will surely live (Ezekiel 33:10-16)".
Have you now seen that there is NO NEED for the innocent and righteous human being to killed on the cross before the sinners can gain eternal life. The sinners can gain eternal life through REPENTANCE from their sinful ways.
Jesus confirmed this truth when he said; I came not to call the righteous, but SINNERS TO REPENTANCE (Luke 5:32).

OBJECTION 1 ;
The Christians may want to respond by saying;
The reason why God requested for death of an innocent human being is because God cannot just do away with His JUSTICE simply because He wanted to forgive us and grant us His salvation. Even in the Old testament, the bloods of blameless animals were usually shed before the believers can be entitled to God's forgiveness. This is exactly the reason why an innocent and righteous soul (like Jesus) must ALSO be killed as our SUBSTITUTE to pay the price for our sins so that God's HOLY JUSTICE CAN BE SATISFIED.

REPLY;
But God has already made the shedding of ANIMAL BLOOD permissible (Genesis 3:21) even BEFORE it was legalized for atonement of sins. Can the Christians now show us where God has made the shedding of an innocent and righteous HUMAN BLOOD permissible BEFORE the advent of Christianity ? Besides if it is an act of INJUSTICE for God of love and mercy to FREELY forgive our sins and then grant us His salvation, then is it not a GREATER act of INJUSTICE for the same God to allow His innocent, righteous and beloved prophet to be killed and then fall under His CURSE( Galatians 3:13) ? Where is the JUSTICE in torturing, killing and cursing a righteous soul in order to forgive and save the wicked souls ? Has God not stated in the Bible that the wicked souls can still have access to His forgiveness and salvation through SINCERE REPENTANCE from their sinful ways ( Ezekiel 18:21-23,27,28 Ezekiel 33:10-20, Isaiah 55:7, 2nd Chronicles 7:14 )?

OBJECTION 2:
The Christians may also respond by saying;
But there was no any form of injustice on the part of God because it was Jesus that VOLUNTEER himself to die for our sins without being forced by God.

REPLY;
But who master-mineded the whole plan and requested for the death of innocent Jesus in heaven at FIRST INSTANCE ? Was He not God according to the belief traditionally uphold by the Christians ? Moreover, if it was true that Jesus had submitted his life in heaven, then why did he pray so FERVENTLY asking for the crucifixion to be taken away from him in THREE different consecutive times (Matthew 26:36-44) ? If Jesus had truly and willingly laid down his life in heaven to die for our sin, then he must have been prepared by God both physically and spiritually for this great task. In that case, there would be no need for that blood-sweating prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane (Luke 22:44). Even if Jesus had to pray because of the FLESH that is WEAK, then that prayer should definitely be for the "STRENGTH" that will enable him to bear the task. It should NOT be for the cup of crucifixion to be TAKEN AWAY from him. This very fact is enough to DISPROVE the assertion that says "it was Jesus himself who willingly laid down his life".

OBJECTION 3;
The Christians may respond by saying; but it is neccessary for Jesus to die on the cross as a way of demonstrating God's LOVE toward the world (John 3:16).
REPLY:
But why did Christians think that an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God must be killed and cursed (Galatians 3:13) before God can show His love to the world ? Was there any DIRECT LINK between the death of Jesus on the cross and God's love toward the world ? Besides, what about the Old Testament believers that lived and died BEFORE the alleged Jesus crucifixion; how could they have known about this love talkless of feeling it in their heart ?


OBJECTION 4:
The Christians may respond by saying; but the Bible is an inspired word of God and it is too detailed and too explicit on the issue of Jesus crucifixion for us not to believe in it.

REPLY:
But how could Christians have believed in the ENTIRE Bible as inspired word of God when it has so many contradictions abound on its record of events concerning Jesus crucifixion . Can the Christians resolve the following contradictions on Jesus crucifixion for us?
Question 1; When was Jesus exactly crucified ?
-It was at the THIRD HOUR (Mark 15:25 KJV ).
- It was after the SIXTH HOUR (John 19:14-16 KJV)
Question 2; What was the actual colour of the robe given to Jesus when the soldiers were mocking him ?
-It was purple (John 19:2)
-It was scarlet (Matthew 27:28)

Question 3; How did detachment of the soldiers recognized Jesus before they arrested him ?
- It was through the kissing of Jesus by Judas (Matthew 26:48-49)
-It was Jesus that went out and presented himself to the soldiers TWO TIMES ( saying "I am he"wink while Judas was only standing there watching (John 18:4-cool.
Question 4; Who carried the cross of crucifixion to Golgotha ?
-It was Simon of Cyrene (Matthew 27:32 )
- It was Jesus himself (John 19:17)
Question 5; What was the ACTUAL WORD FOR WORD inscription fastened to the Jesus’ Cross ?
-The inscription was : “THE KING OF THE JEWS.” (Mark 15:26)
- The inscription was : “THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.” (Matthew 27:37).
- The inscription was : “JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.” ( John 19:19)
These are just only five out of many contradictions abound on the record of events concerning Jesus crucifixion. So how could Christians have believed that all these irreconcilable contradictions were truly inspired by God ?
Re: Observing Christianity And Islam Under The Lens Of Ten Commandments by enilove(m): 2:52pm On Oct 11, 2018
Godisreal55:

Despite their agreement on Jesus as a mighty prophet of God who was born miraculously by virgin Mary, Christians and Muslims still disagree on some certain issues concerning Jesus Christ. One of the great area of dispute between Christians and Muslims is the issue of Jesus crucifixion. Christians believe that Jesus MUST DIE for our sins (John 1:29) before we can be admitted into the kingdom of heaven. In fact, Jesus Christ, and his sacrificial death on the cross, is the central and the most important basic tenet of the Christian faith. You will notice that the symbol of "CROSS" which is usually used to represent Christianity stands for nothing but JESUS CRUCIFIXION. Therefore, Christians believe that Jesus crucifixion is true (Mark 15:25). But on the other hand, the Muslims believe that there is no need for Jesus to die on the cross for our sins before we can be admitted into paradise. They believe that SINCERE REPENTANCE from our sinful ways is enough to clean our sins before God (Qur'an 66:8, Ezekiel 33:10-16).Therefore, Muslims believe that Jesus crucifixion is NOT true on the authority of Holy Qur'an (Qur'an 4:157).


Base on this very DISAGREEMENT over the issue of Jesus crucifixion, it is IMPOSSIBLE for both Islam and Christianity to be a true faith from God at the same time. One faith must definitely be TRUE while the other faith must definitely be FALSE.

So how are we to arrive at the truth? Which faith is true and which faith is false? One of the ways to distinguish between a true faith and a false faith is by subjecting these two contrasting faiths to a COMMON TEST and see which one is going to pass and which one is going to fail. Since both Muslims and Christians believe in the TEN commandments of God given to Moses, I have decided to use it as the basis for this common test.

Consequently, a simplified list of all the TEN commandments of God given to Moses (pbuh) are cited below
1. “You shall have no other gods before me."
2. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, "
3. “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain"
4. “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. “Honor your father and your mother."
6. “You shall not murder."
7. “You shall not commit adultery."
8. “You shall not steal."
9. “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
10. “You shall not covet"
(Exodus 20:2-17 )
Through our universal inborn knowledge that God bestowed upon us as human being, we all know for sure that if ALL the people of the world were to obey ALL these TEN commandments of God given to Moses, it will surely be for the BETTERMENT of humanity both in this world and in the hereafter; it will NOT be for the worse.

Islam also agree with the fact that if ALL the people of the world were to obey ALL these TEN commandments of God given to Moses, it will surely be for the BETTERMENT of humanity both in this world and in the hereafter; it will NOT be for the worse.

But do you know what the Christianity says if ALL the people of the world decided to obey ALL the TEN commandments of God given to Moses ? Indirectly, Christianity says it will be for the WORSE; this is because NOBODY will inherit the kingdom of God.

But how is that possible ? Wait! Do not be hasty. Let me explain it to you. Remember, one of the TEN commandments of God given to Moses is “You shall not murder (Exodus 20:13)- the sixth commandment listed above " i:e People MUST NOT shed the blood of an INNOCENT human being.
Now after the departure of Moses, if ALL the people of the Earth decided to OBEY this very commandment, who is going to CRUCIFY innocent Jesus on the cross ? And if innocent Jesus did not get crucified, how was he going to DIE for for the SIN of humanity ? And if Jesus did not die for the sin of humanity, then NOBODY will enter the kingdom of heaven.

Have you now agreed that Christianity says indirectly; "if ALL the people of the world decided to OBEY ALL the TEN commandments of God given to MOSES, then it will be for the WORSE; Not for the betterment of humanity: because NOBODY will enter the kingdom of heaven". But this is totally AGAINST OUR INBORN KNOWLEDGE because we know for sure that if ALL the people of the world were to obey ALL the TEN commandments of God given to Moses, it will surely be for the BETTERMENT of humanity both in this world and in the hereafter; NOT for the worse.
We know quite right that all the people of the earth cannot obey all those ten commandments. We only use it as a TEST to know which either of the two faiths (Islam or Christianity) that is BEST IN CONFORMITY with our universal inborn knowledge that God Himself instilled in our mind; And we have seen how Islam passed and how Christianity failed the test.

This is one of the simple ways to know that the present-day Christianity is NOT a true religion from God but a man-made religion . God does not require the blood of an INNOCENT HUMAN BEING before He can can forgive our sins. Jesus was NOT even sent to the entire humanity talkless of dying for the sins of humanity. By his own admission; I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24).

But do you know the EXACT reason why Christianity failed that common test ? The reason is this; the wonderful way of God can NEVER be contradictory; God Almighty who says: "An innocent human being MUST NOT be killed (Exodus 20:13)" would NOT LATER CONTRADICT HIMSELF by saying: "An innocent human being MUST be killed" on the cross of Calvary BEFORE THE HUMANITY CAN GAIN ETERNAL LIFE . Honestly, the way of the Lord our God can be higher than our ways (Isaiah 55:8-9) but the way of the Lord our God can NEVER be contradictory. He is the Lord that do NOT change to contradict Himself. (Malachi 3:6, Numbers 23:19).

Looking at it from another angle, if Jesus crucifixion is the ONLY WAY to our salvation, then without any doubt, those who allegedly crucified Jesus christ really deserve KUDOS and HONOUR. But does it make any iota of sense to give kudos and honour to MURDERER of an innocent and righteous soul ? Again see the contradiction!

Since God is All-Knowing and All-Powerful Planner, His vast knowledge and immense power over everything can make it possible for Him to acheive His aim in so MANY ways. Therefore, it is NOT a mandatory upon God to choose one particular way; especially a way that will later require an INNOCENT HUMAN BEING to be KILLED on the cross.
Hence, if God of Power, Knowledge and Mercy really have MANY ways He can follow to achieve His aim, then DUE TO HIS MERCY, He must have chosen a NON-VIOLENT way to achieve His aim and He must have neglected a MORE-VIOLENT way that will later require an INNOCENT HUMAN BEING to be KILLED on the cross-which would be CONTRADICTORY to His original law that states an INNOCENT HUMAN BEING MUST NOT BE KILLED (Exodus 20:13).
Yes one of the NON-VIOLENT ways that God has chosen to achieve one of His aim (i:e creating a way of SALVATION FOR HUMANITY ) is SINCERE REPENTANCE;

Son of man, say to the Israelites; this is what you are saying: our offenses and sins weigh us down, and we are wasting away because of them. How then can we live? Say to them: as surely as I live declares the sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! TURN FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS! Why will you die, people of Israel? Therefore, son of man say to your people… if someone, one who is wicked, REPENTS, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation… And if I say to the wicked person, you will surely die, but they then TURN FROM THEIR SINS and do what is just and right…follow the decree that gives life, and do no evil--THAT PERSON WILL SURELY LIVE :THEY WILL NOT DIE. NONE OF THE SINS that person has committed will be remembered against them.They have done what is just and right; they will surely live (Ezekiel 33:10-16)".
Have you now seen that there is NO NEED for the innocent and righteous human being to killed on the cross before the sinners can gain eternal life. The sinners can gain eternal life through REPENTANCE from their sinful ways.
Jesus confirmed this truth when he said; I came not to call the righteous, but SINNERS TO REPENTANCE (Luke 5:32).

OBJECTION 1 ;
The Christians may want to respond by saying;
The reason why God requested for death of an innocent human being is because God cannot just do away with His JUSTICE simply because He wanted to forgive us and grant us His salvation. Even in the Old testament, the bloods of blameless animals were usually shed before the believers can be entitled to God's forgiveness. This is exactly the reason why an innocent and righteous soul (like Jesus) must ALSO be killed as our SUBSTITUTE to pay the price for our sins so that God's HOLY JUSTICE CAN BE SATISFIED.

REPLY;
But God has already made the shedding of ANIMAL BLOOD permissible (Genesis 3:21) even BEFORE it was legalized for atonement of sins. Can the Christians now show us where God has made the shedding of an innocent and righteous HUMAN BLOOD permissible BEFORE the advent of Christianity ? Besides if it is an act of INJUSTICE for God of love and mercy to FREELY forgive our sins and then grant us His salvation, then is it not a GREATER act of INJUSTICE for the same God to allow His innocent, righteous and beloved prophet to be killed and then fall under His CURSE( Galatians 3:13) ? Where is the JUSTICE in torturing, killing and cursing a righteous soul in order to forgive and save the wicked souls ? Has God not stated in the Bible that the wicked souls can still have access to His forgiveness and salvation through SINCERE REPENTANCE from their sinful ways ( Ezekiel 18:21-23,27,28 Ezekiel 33:10-20, Isaiah 55:7, 2nd Chronicles 7:14 )?

OBJECTION 2:
The Christians may also respond by saying;
But there was no any form of injustice on the part of God because it was Jesus that VOLUNTEER himself to die for our sins without being forced by God.

REPLY;
But who master-mineded the whole plan and requested for the death of innocent Jesus in heaven at FIRST INSTANCE ? Was He not God according to the belief traditionally uphold by the Christians ? Moreover, if it was true that Jesus had submitted his life in heaven, then why did he pray so FERVENTLY asking for the crucifixion to be taken away from him in THREE different consecutive times (Matthew 26:36-44) ? If Jesus had truly and willingly laid down his life in heaven to die for our sin, then he must have been prepared by God both physically and spiritually for this great task. In that case, there would be no need for that blood-sweating prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane (Luke 22:44). Even if Jesus had to pray because of the FLESH that is WEAK, then that prayer should definitely be for the "STRENGTH" that will enable him to bear the task. It should NOT be for the cup of crucifixion to be TAKEN AWAY from him. This very fact is enough to DISPROVE the assertion that says "it was Jesus himself who willingly laid down his life".

OBJECTION 3;
The Christians may respond by saying; but it is neccessary for Jesus to die on the cross as a way of demonstrating God's LOVE toward the world (John 3:16).
REPLY:
But why did Christians think that an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God must be killed and cursed (Galatians 3:13) before God can show His love to the world ? Was there any DIRECT LINK between the death of Jesus on the cross and God's love toward the world ? Besides, what about the Old Testament believers that lived and died BEFORE the alleged Jesus crucifixion; how could they have known about this love talkless of feeling it in their heart ?


OBJECTION 4:
The Christians may respond by saying; but the Bible is an inspired word of God and it is too detailed and too explicit on the issue of Jesus crucifixion for us not to believe in it.

REPLY:
But how could Christians have believed in the ENTIRE Bible as inspired word of God when it has so many contradictions abound on its record of events concerning Jesus crucifixion . Can the Christians resolve the following contradictions on Jesus crucifixion for us?
Question 1; When was Jesus exactly crucified ?
-It was at the THIRD HOUR (Mark 15:25 KJV ).
- It was after the SIXTH HOUR (John 19:14-16 KJV)
Question 2; What was the actual colour of the robe given to Jesus when the soldiers were mocking him ?
-It was purple (John 19:2)
-It was scarlet (Matthew 27:28)

Question 3; How did detachment of the soldiers recognized Jesus before they arrested him ?
- It was through the kissing of Jesus by Judas (Matthew 26:48-49)
-It was Jesus that went out and presented himself to the soldiers TWO TIMES ( saying "I am he"wink while Judas was only standing there watching (John 18:4-cool.
Question 4; Who carried the cross of crucifixion to Golgotha ?
-It was Simon of Cyrene (Matthew 27:32 )
- It was Jesus himself (John 19:17)
Question 5; What was the ACTUAL WORD FOR WORD inscription fastened to the Jesus’ Cross ?
-The inscription was : “THE KING OF THE JEWS.” (Mark 15:26)
- The inscription was : “THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.” (Matthew 27:37).
- The inscription was : “JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.” ( John 19:19)
These are just only five out of many contradictions abound on the record of events concerning Jesus crucifixion. So how couldu Christians have believed that all these irreconcilable contradictions were truly inspired by God ?

Why would the same God allow or command Muhammad and Muslims to murder those who do not believe in Islam , which is contrary to exodus 20:13 you used to conclude that Christianity is false?

The 6th commandment says thou shall not kill . Muhammad was a killer or murderer , which makes Islam a falsehood.

Jesus did not kill , this makes Christianity the right religion because Jesus did not disobey God's commandment.

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Re: Observing Christianity And Islam Under The Lens Of Ten Commandments by Maamin(m): 3:07pm On Oct 11, 2018
1 Corinthians 1:18-25

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

Op rest your head wink

Shalom Aleikhem

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Re: Observing Christianity And Islam Under The Lens Of Ten Commandments by Godisreal55: 5:12pm On Oct 11, 2018
@Enilove

Those people that the prophet of Islam were commanded to kill in the battle are NOT innocent. They are guilty in the sense that they REFUSE to accept to Islam.
Jesus was also commanded in the same way :"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and KILL them in front of me (Luke 19:27)". These people were NOT innocent because they did not allow Jesus to be a king over them.
So it is very clear that Exodus 20:13 is refering to the killing of an INNOCENT AND A RIGHTEOUS SOUL- which is forbidden. It is not referring to the killing of the people who really deserved it.
Since Jesus is an INNOCENT AND A RIGHTHEOUS SOUL, then it is contradictory to the way of God for the same God to request for his death on the cross before the humanity can gain eternal life
Re: Observing Christianity And Islam Under The Lens Of Ten Commandments by enilove(m): 5:55pm On Oct 11, 2018
Godisreal55:
@Enilove

Those people that the prophet of Islam were commanded to kill in the battle are NOT innocent. They are guilty in the sense that they REFUSE to accept to Islam.
Jesus was also commanded in the same way :"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and KILL them in front of me (Luke 19:27)". These people were NOT innocent because they did not allow Jesus to be a king over them.
So it is very clear that Exodus 20:13 is refering to the killing of an INNOCENT AND A RIGHTEOUS SOUL- which is forbidden. It is not referring to the killing of the people who really deserved it.
Since Jesus is an INNOCENT AND A RIGHTHEOUS SOUL, the it is contradictory to the way of God for the same God to request for his death on the cross before the humanity can gain eternal life

You are wrong regarding Jesus commanding Christians to kill.
It was a parable which is about what God will do to sinners on the judgement day :

Luke 19:11-14,18,20-21,24,27 KJV
And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
[12] He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
[13] And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
[14] But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
[18] And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
[20] And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
[21] For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
[24] And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
[27] But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

I PURPOSELY SKIPPED SOME VERSES FOR CONCISENESS .

I want you to answer these questions :

What was the reason God send Jesus to the world , when the Israelites already had the laws of Moses with them?

What was the reason God send Muhammad , despite the fact that the world already had prophets with messages from God?
Re: Observing Christianity And Islam Under The Lens Of Ten Commandments by Godisreal55: 11:14am On Oct 12, 2018
@ enilove

Pls go straight to your point and stop asking questions that are irrelevant to the topic of discussion.
If you claim that Luke 19:27 is a parable, what of this

"All that would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be PUT TO DEATH, whether small or great, man or woman (2nd Chronicles15:13). Is it also a parable?

Pls go and read your Bible very well and stop using what was practiced in the Bible to falsify Islamic rulings that even forbid the killing of women and children.

Let me repeat myself; It is clear that Exodus 20:13 ONLY forbid the killing of an INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL; Not the killing of people that really deserved it.

My point is this: If Jesus is an innocent and righteous soul, then it is CONTRADICTORY to the way of God to REQUEST FOR JESUS' DEATH ON THE CROSS. God Almighty who says " an innocent and righteous soul MUST NOT BE KILLED " would not later contradict Himself by saying " an innocent and righteous soul MUST BE KILLED" on the cross before we can be saved.


If Jesus crucifixion is the only way to salvation, then those who crucified Jesus allegedly really deserved our kudos and honor. But does it make any sense at all to give kudos and honor to the murderers of an innocent and righteous soul ?
Re: Observing Christianity And Islam Under The Lens Of Ten Commandments by enilove(m): 12:34pm On Oct 12, 2018
Godisreal55:
@ enilove

Pls go straight to your point and stop asking questions that are irrelevant to the topic of discussion.
If you claim that Luke 19:27 is a parable, what of this

"All that would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be PUT TO DEATH, whether small or great, man or woman (2nd Chronicles15:13). Is it also a parable?

Pls go and read your Bible very well and stop using what was practiced in the Bible to falsify Islamic rulings that even forbid the killing of women and children.

Let me repeat myself; It is clear that Exodus 20:13 ONLY forbid the killing of an INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL; Not the killing of people that really deserved it.

My point is this: If Jesus is an innocent and righteous soul, then it is CONTRADICTORY to the way of God to REQUEST FOR JESUS' DEATH ON THE CROSS. God Almighty who says " an innocent and righteous soul MUST NOT BE KILLED " would not later contradict Himself by saying " an innocent and righteous soul MUST BE KILLED" on the cross before we can be saved.

If Jesus crucifixion is the only way to salvation, then those who crucified Jesus allegedly really deserved our kudos and honor. But does it make any sense at all to give kudos and honor to the murderers of an innocent and righteous soul ?



This your reply shows clearly that you are an hypocrite.

You need to first understand what your religion is all about , and why you need to believe it ,b4 scandalizing other religions.

Matthew 7:3-5 KJV
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
[4] Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? [5] Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

If you want me to explain to you why Jesus had to die for our sins and that of every human , from the time of Adam to the judgement day , answer these questions I asked you earlier :

WHY DID GOD SEND MUHAMMAD ?
WHY DID GOD SEND JESUS , ACCORDING TO YOUR QURAN , SINCE HE DID NOT COME TO DIE FOR OUR SINS ?

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Re: Observing Christianity And Islam Under The Lens Of Ten Commandments by Godisreal55: 3:14pm On Oct 13, 2018
@ enilove
In reference to his miraculous birth, Jesus was sent to the world as a sign (Qur'an 21:91). But in reference to his message, Jesus was sent ONLY to the Israelites (Qur'an 3:49, 61:6, Matthew 15:24, 10:5-6, 19:28, Acts 10:28, Acts 11:19, Galatians 2:7-9, James 1:1 etc).

The prophet of Islam was sent to the entire world (Qur'an 7:158, 34:28, 25:1), since all the biblical prophets including Jesus was sent ONLY to the Israelites.

Your question;

"What was the reason God send Jesus to the world , when the Israelites already had the laws of Moses with them?"


This is my Reply;


Jesus was never sent to the world(see the evidence above). Again, there are many biblical prophets (like Ezra, Samuel etc) between Moses and Jesus Christ. Therefore, if God can send many prophets to the Israelites despite the fact that they already had the law of Moses with them, then He can also send Jesus to them.


Now ASSUMING what the Qur'an says about Jesus is wrong and Jesus was truly sent to the entire world. It is now left for you to explain how this assumption will help you to resolve the CONTRADICTION inherent in the way of God that says " AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL MUST NOT BE KILLED(Exodus 20:13) but later contradict Himself by saying "AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL MUST BE KILLED ON THE CROSS" before the humanity can be saved; Yet being all powerful and all knowing God that sees the end from the beginning, He has MANY WAYS He can choose to achieve His aim; A NON VIOLENT WAY( Ezekiel 33:10-16) THAT WILL NOT LATER REQUIRE HIM TO CONTRADICT HIS ORIGINAL LAW.

Enilove, pls ponder over what is written below very well

1. To kill an innocent and righteous soul is a merciless, dirty and a satanic act.
2. All the people of the world testify to this fact
3. God also bear witness to this fact; otherwise He will not strongly forbid it (Exodus 20:13).
4. Working out the way of salvation for humanity is a merciful, pure and holy act.


Now consider this question; if the brutal killing of Jesus on the cross is the ONLY WAY to our salvation, then how can God Almighty that has vast knowledge and immense power over everything be COMPELLED to use a MERCILESS, DIRTY AND SATANIC ACT to achieve something that is MERCIFUL, PURE AND HOLY.
But if you agreed to the fact that God can NEVER be compelled, then DUE TO HIS HOLINESS AND HIS MERCY , He must have neglected that merciless, dirty and satanic way in preference for a pure and holy way. Yes this merciful, pure and holy way is SINCERE REPENTANCE (Ezekiel 33:10-16, Ezekiel 18:20-22, Luke 5:32, Acts 2:38 etc).
Re: Observing Christianity And Islam Under The Lens Of Ten Commandments by enilove(m): 7:16pm On Oct 13, 2018
Godisreal55:
@ enilove
In reference to his miraculous birth, Jesus was sent to the world as a sign (Qur'an 21:91). But in reference to his message, Jesus was sent ONLY to the Israelites (Qur'an 3:49, 61:6, Matthew 15:24, 10:5-6, 19:28, Acts 10:28, Acts 11:19, Galatians 2:7-9, James 1:1 etc).

The prophet of Islam was sent to the entire world (Qur'an 7:158, 34:28, 25:1), since all the biblical prophets including Jesus was sent ONLY to the Israelites.

Your question;

"What was the reason God send Jesus to the world , when the Israelites already had the laws of Moses with them?"


This is my Reply;


Jesus was never sent to the world(see the evidence above). Again, there are many biblical prophets (like Ezra, Samuel etc) between Moses and Jesus Christ. Therefore, if God can send many prophets to the Israelites despite the fact that they already had the law of Moses with them, then He can also send Jesus to them.


Now ASSUMING what the Qur'an says about Jesus is wrong and Jesus was truly sent to the entire world. It is now left for you to explain how this assumption will help you to resolve the CONTRADICTION inherent in the way of God that says " AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL MUST NOT BE KILLED(Exodus 20:13) but later contradict Himself by saying "AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL MUST BE KILLED ON THE CROSS" before the humanity can be saved; Yet being all powerful and all knowing God that sees the end from the beginning, He has MANY WAYS He can choose to achieve His aim; A NON VIOLENT WAY( Ezekiel 33:10-16) THAT WILL NOT LATER REQUIRE HIM TO CONTRADICT HIS ORIGINAL LAW.

Enilove, pls ponder over what is written below very well

1. To kill an innocent and righteous soul is a dirty and a satanic act.
2. All the people of the world testify to this fact
3. God also bear witness to this fact; otherwise He will not strongly forbid it (Exodus 20:13).
4. Working out the way of salvation for humanity is a pure and holy act.


Now consider this question; if the brutal killing of Jesus on the cross is the ONLY WAY to our salvation, then how can God Almighty that has vast knowledge and immense power over everything be COMPELLED to use a DIRTY AND SATANIC ACT to achieve something that is PURE AND HOLY.
But if you agreed to the fact that God can NEVER be compelled, then DUE TO HIS MERCY as a merciful God, He must have neglected that dirty and satanic way in preference for a pure and holy way. Yes this pure and holy way is SINCERE REPENTANCE (Ezekiel 33:10-16, Ezekiel 18:20-22, Luke 5:32, Acts 2:38 etc).

YOU ARE VERY WRONG .

You said Jesus was sent to the world as a sign .
As a sign for what ?

And you also claimed he was sent only to the Israelites.
My question is ,what assignment was he given to carryout , which made it mandatory for him to come?
I mean , what was Jesus' Divine assignment which God could not give to Moses , but could only be carried out by another prophet? Ref. below :

Deuteronomy 18:15 KJV
The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE SAYS , "GOD WILL RAISE UP UNTO THEE A ( ONE ) PROPHET NOT PROPHETS .
That means a particular prophet and not prophets.

Other prophets would come but there is a particular prophet or messiah which the Israelites were told would come to save them.
Was it that God could not save the Israelites through the messages or law He gave to Moses ? Why expecting another prophet or messiah?
Most of the other prophets in the Bible talked of a coming messiah , why ? What is so special about this VERY PROPHET?

All that had to do with laws and sacrifices were given to Moses for the Israelites to observe and to make them clean, what else was lacking ?

Couldn't God send Moses to the whole world at the same time and to command the Israelites to force other nations to worship only their God or get killed ?
What did Muhammad did that other prophets like Moses and Elijah could not do that necessitated the coming of Muhammad ?
How would the coming of Muhammad benefit those who came b4 him and died b4 he was born?
Were the Israelites created by a different God ?
Why must they have a different prophet and other peoples of the world another prophet ?


THESE ARE QUESTIONS WHICH YOU CAN NEVER ANSWER AS A MUSLIM BECAUSE ISLAM HAS NO ANSWER TO THEM.

I WILL GIVE YOU THE ANSWERS TOMORROW IF I DONT GET ANY REPLY FROM YOU .
Re: Observing Christianity And Islam Under The Lens Of Ten Commandments by Godisreal55: 11:52am On Oct 14, 2018
@ enilove.

The Messiah was so special to the Jews in the sense that he would be their king, a king that would make all Gentile nations to fall under their feet. They expect such things to happen when Jesus came; not knowing that God will only fulfil their expectation toward the end of the world. So it is not grounded in their knowledge that Messiah, their king, will be crucified. But they thought that Jesus was really crucified. This is the reason why they rejected him (See 1st Corinthians 1:23). However, they were also aware that apart from Christ, another Prophet is still coming. This is the reason why interrogate the John the baptist as stated clearly in the book of John;
Now this was John’s testimony when the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Messiah.” They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you THAT PROPHET ?” He answered, “No.” : Finally they said, “Who are you? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?”: John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, “I am the voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way for the Lord.’” :Now the Pharisees who had been sent questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor THAT PROPHET ?” (John 1:19-25).
You will not notice from above that the Jews know quite right that their Messiah is different from that very Prophet( see the last verse 25).
Jesus has been taken up to heaven. So pending the time the Jesus will come back, God now used that opportunity to fulfil the promise of Abraham through the lineage of Ishmael- so that the Gentiles can also receive the word of God. God has already fulfil Abraham's promise on the lineage of Isaac because many prophets sent to Israel are from the seed of Isaac. But God also promised Abraham on the lineage of Ishmael;
" And as for Ishmael , I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I WILL MAKE HIM INTO A GREAT NATION . ( Genesis 17:20) "
"And what other nation is so great as to have such righteous decrees and laws as this body of laws I am setting before you today? (Deuteronomy 4:cool "
In the above verses, we first see a clear promise from GOD Almighty that He will make a "great nation" from Ishmael's descendents. We then see the definition of "great nation" ( from the second verse qouted above) as being a nation that directly receives righteous decrees and laws from GOD Almighty.
The great nation that God was talking about in Genesis 17:20 up there is the Arab nation and the righteous decrees and laws they receive from God is contained in the Qur'an.
It is very clear that Jesus and his apostles were sent ONLY to the Jews (Matthew 15:24, 10:5-6, 19:28, Acts 10:28, Acts 11:19, James 1:1).
The Gentile nations know about Jesus MAJORLY through the activities of Paul (pls for God'sake read Galatians 2:7-9); not through the original apostles.
But Jesus NEVER prophesied about Paul before he ascended to heaven. Pls read what is written below;
Several years after Jesus’ departure from the earth, a man known as Paul (also called Saul of Tarsus) who happened to be a great persecutor of Jesus’ disciples was walking with his two companions on a road outside Damascus to carry out more of his evil mission. In this spiritual state, Paul then saw a great light falling from heaven and heard a voice which said to him; ‘I am Jesus whom you are persecuting”. He believed this great light as true Jesus Christ (Acts 22:6-9 ).Yet before his departure, Jesus forewarned the apostles as follows: Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying; I am the Christ; and shall deceive many (Matthew 24:4-5)…“Then if anyone says here is Christ or there, DO NOT BELIEVE IT. For false christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possiblye, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time. So if anyone tells you; Christ is out in the wilderness, do not go out; or Christ is in the inner rooms, DO NOT BELIEVE IT. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, then the vultures will gather(Matthew 24:23-28)”. In these verses, we are commanded by Jesus not to believe any account of a person who claims to have seen Jesus in a private manner prior to his universally-visible appearance to all . .Jesus was telling us that his returning to earth again from heaven will be clear and unmistakable to everyone. Every eye from every point “east and west” will see him. The people would gather to see Jesus coming from the heaven just like vultures gather over the carcass. Hence, any private appearances of Jesus before this public appearance should be discarded .Therefore, if Jesus’ private appearance to Paul in form of “a great light falling from heaven” would be an exception to this great warning of not believing in private appearances of Christ, then Jesus should have foretold this exceptional event to the original apostles before he ascended to heaven. But Jesus did not foretell anything like that. Instead of pre-informing the original apostles that he would privately appear to someone like “LIGHTNING FROM HEAVEN” before his universally-visible appearance to all, Jesus only informed them as follows;“I saw Satan falling like LIGHTNING FROM HEAVEN (Luke10:18)”.
From above it is clear that the ONLY TRUE PROPHET TO THE GENTILES WAS PROPHET OF ISLAM.
However, let us ASSUME that all my analyses were wrong and Jesus was truly sent to the entire world. It is now left for you to explain how this assumption will help you to resolve the CONTRADICTION inherent in the way of God that says " AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL MUST NOT BE KILLED (Exodus 20:13) but later contradict Himself by saying "AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL MUST BE KILLED ON THE CROSS" before the humanity can be saved; Yet being all powerful and all knowing God that sees the end from the beginning, He has MANY WAYS He can choose to achieve His aim; A NON VIOLENT WAY( Ezekiel 33:10-16, Ezekiel 18:20-22, Acts 2:38, Luke 5:32) THAT WILL NOT LATER REQUIRE HIM TO CONTRADICT HIS ORIGINAL LAW.
Re: Observing Christianity And Islam Under The Lens Of Ten Commandments by enilove(m): 5:17pm On Oct 14, 2018
@Godisreal.

It is like you don't understand the issue of salvation , which is a determinant of your eternity . If it was cleared to you , you wouldn't be playing the game of accept and reject with the Bible. It is either you take the Bible facts as correct or you take the whole as being wrong.

For example , Gen 17: 20 you gave as a defence that God called Muhammad is enough evidence for you to discard Islam. But as expected of a typical Muslim , you tried to twist the truth as though it is going to change the fact . Why did you not consider the immediate verse b4 and after it? It is because you don't know what eternity in hell or heaven means.

What was this covenant about ?
It was a covenant of SALVATION to be a God to the Israelites and the whole world forever :

Genesis 17:2-8 KJV
And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
[3] And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
[4] As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of MANY NATIONS.
[5] Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many NATIONS have I made thee.
[6] And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
[7] And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
[8] And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

THIS LAND OF CANAAN IS KNOWN, AS AT TODAY, AS ISRAEL AND ISRAEL IS A NATION AND NOT NATIONS.
WHOSE LINEAGE DID GOD SAY HE WOULD ESTABLISH THE COVENANT WITH ? ISAAC or ISHMAEL?

Genesis 17:18-21 KJV
And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
[19] And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name ISAAC : and I will establish my COVENANT with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
[20] And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
[21] But my covenant will I establish with ISAAC, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

WHERE IN THE BIBLE DID GOD PROMISE TO ESTABLISH HIS COVENANT WITH ISHMAEL?
IS GREATNESS NOT DIFFERENT FROM SALVATION?
WERE THERE NO GREAT NATIONS IN THE WORLD WHO WERE IDOL WORSHIPPERS? EXAMPLE :

Joshua 23:8-9 KJV
But cleave unto the Lord your God, as ye have done unto this day.
[9] For the Lord hath driven out from before you GREAT NATIONS and strong: but as for you, no man hath been able to stand before you unto this day.

Lastly , Jesus foretold of other nations outside Israel coming to God through him :

John 10:14-21 KJV
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep , and am known of mine. [15] As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. [16] And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. [17] Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. [18] No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. [19] There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. [20] And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? [21] Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

THE FOLD THERE ABOVE IS ISRAEL AND OTHER FOLDS ARE OTHER NATIONS.

Jesus said in :

John 4:22 KJV
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

And not of the Arabs.


To be continued.

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