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Nigerians Should Buy Petrol At ₦256 Per Litre – NNPC Boss, Kyari / Confusion As Subsidy Returns, NNPC Pays N5.4bn As Under Recovery In 2018 / Fuel Will Continue To Sell For N145 Per Litre-NNPC (2) (3) (4)
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Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by LockDown69(m): 2:24am On Dec 25, 2018 |
When will we stand up in this country and face the Government of the day squarely, France protested for a Month and they Got results, why can't we make sacrifices and replicate that? The future is in our hands, we have being swindled and ridden on by present and past Administrations, it is time we wake up from our slumber. |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by theoldpretender(m): 3:24am On Dec 25, 2018 |
youngsahito: Repairing the refineries won't solve the problem. The last one was opened in 1988.Since then our needs have increased way beyond the capacity of the refineries to supply them. And new investors who will build new refineries won't come in because they do not want to sell fuel below the cost of production a la subsidy. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by theoldpretender(m): 3:26am On Dec 25, 2018 |
ednut1: Because diesel and PMS are two different products with different costs of production. Diesel has always been more expensive than PMS. And diesel has been deregulated since 2012. |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by theoldpretender(m): 3:29am On Dec 25, 2018 |
ignant: I don't like the APC, but it's opponents too also lie as well. In 2016, landing cost of fuel was 132 naira. Fuel was 87 naira. Fuel prices were raised to N145. Also, budgets for subsidies always go before the National Assembly. |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by theoldpretender(m): 3:36am On Dec 25, 2018 |
obaataaokpaewu: 1.The value of the naira was higher when oil price was $100 because the dollars flowing in were enough to keep the naira well buffered hence the naira value was good. 2.In 2015 the oil price fell, dollars flowing in fell and the value of the naira fell. 3.Yes , our population is growing, and we are still paying subsidy because if it is removed, marketers would raise the price to 250 and above to protect their profit margins and to stay ahead of the price fluctuations. 4.Growing population.means growing needs. The only solution to the scam is simple. Allow marketers to sell at the price they want. Stop subsidy payments. Stop govt paying subsidy. But people like you will protest, and the shady subsidies continue |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by tit(f): 3:37am On Dec 25, 2018 |
theoldpretender: do you have sense ni? |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by theoldpretender(m): 3:37am On Dec 25, 2018 |
Parada: Totally uncalled for please. Don't be a bigot |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by theoldpretender(m): 3:38am On Dec 25, 2018 |
tit: God bless and good morning. |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by theoldpretender(m): 3:42am On Dec 25, 2018 |
alsudaes1: 1.Refineries owned by NNPC have been in a bad state because they are government owned and have not been productive because subsidies prevent them making a profit. That.is why.privatizing Nnpc and removing subsidy might help make the refineries much better. 2.Even at full capacity, the refineries cannot sustain all our needs. The last one opened in 1988. Our needs have drastically increased since then 3..We need 4 new big Dangote type refineries as well as dozens of modular refineries to fix the problem |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by Sirjamo: 3:46am On Dec 25, 2018 |
youngsahito:Which of the government, the one that wasted 16 years or the one that's just over 3 years |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by theoldpretender(m): 3:48am On Dec 25, 2018 |
Zico5: By 2013, the 97Naira price was no longer sustainable. ,as landing costs had jumped up to 100 and above.. Outside Lagos and Abuja, marketers were selling fuel above 100 naira. And the government was running into debts on subsidy claims, debts we still pay today. And there was frequent worsening scarcity. In 2014 I must have queued a lot just to keep the old car running Of course all these problems won't have happened if GEJ had been allowed to raise prices to 140 naira per liter in 2012 as originally planned. |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by vineyardfarms: 4:48am On Dec 25, 2018 |
Who is lieing here? Apc that increase pms pump price to eradicate subsidy? Or nnpc that is still paying subsidy? a house built on foundation of lies may not the test of time |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by PassingShot(m): 4:50am On Dec 25, 2018 |
ignant:You are a proper Olodo. |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by greatman247(m): 5:08am On Dec 25, 2018 |
I guess what Buhari govt needs to do since they still pay subsidy like GEJ govt then they should go back to N97/ Ltr like during GEJ era, there's no justification for that N145/ Ltr that is been charged now, no justification for it at all. Go back to the old price in 2015 or even lower and continue importing fuel and subsidy until that time that we have working Refinery, period! That is what a sensible government will do, simple. |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by Shikini: 5:41am On Dec 25, 2018 |
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Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by theoldpretender(m): 6:11am On Dec 25, 2018 |
greatman247: If Buhari did that 1.They would be spending billions more on subsidy....more money for the scams AND less money for other things like salaries, infrastructture, education, etc. 2.NNPC and the marketers would be running at a loss....and would lose more money. 3.Scarcity would be an ever present in Nigeria.And we would lose investors, since most of them would be selling fuel at a loss. Job losses would hit the roof. 4.Because GEJ kept prices at N97(due to protests)....we ended up with a debt called subsidy claims that we are still paying. 5.In short...things would get worse. 6. We wont be able to build new refineries becauseif we do that..subsidise fuel at N97...they would all be running at a loss. It costs more than N100 to produce one liter of fuel. So, you want someone to build a modular refinery and be losing at least N3 (at most N40-50) PER LITER OF FUEL he or she sells ? 7. NNPC and marketers would be smuggling fuel to neighbouring countries(where fuel sells above N200 per liter) to survive economically. And the black market would flourish. Venezuela pays a hefty sum in money to keep fuel at N45 per liter in that country. They also have fuel scarcity, long queues, and their petroleum industry is in an even worse state than Nigeria. There is a reason why GEJ wanted to raise prices to N140 in 2012....and it wasn't because of bad reasoning... Also, right now we are importing fuel at N165. Redcuing it to N97 would mean a loss of N68 per liter for NNPC. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by urahara(m): 6:21am On Dec 25, 2018 |
grandstar: 1 Like |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by Racoon(m): 6:25am On Dec 25, 2018 |
ignant: |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by youngsahito(m): 7:19am On Dec 25, 2018 |
Sirjamo:They are all the same bro.what have they achieve in their manifesto. |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by theoldpretender(m): 8:50am On Dec 25, 2018 |
Parada: CheapHomes: Gentlemen, if I may... 1.In 2016...landing costs of fuel were N132, fuel prices were below N87 'officially' and oil was selling less than $30 per liter. 2.Bubu and is government had an issue...the issue being that there were no funds for subsidy due to low oil prices (we need oil to be $139 at least before we can run a budget sans debt and loans) 3.So Bubu raised prices to N145, subsidy paymets stopped (except for the debt we had left over from GEJ's regime...which GEj tried to avoid by raising prices to N140 in 2012...but which Nigerians sabotaged by protests which forced it to the N97 and then the N87) 4.The subsidy payments started again when as oil prices increased, landing costs increased , forcing the resumption of subsidies to keep the price at N145 BECAUSE landing costs were now above N150. 5.Subsidy costs only pay for the difference between the landing cost and the pump price. As at now, NNPC imports fuel at N165, and retails it at N145. Govt pays the N20 difference as 'subsidy' or underrecovery'. 6.Under the arrangement...NNPC is not making a profit, and neither are marketers. Government loses money too. |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by uridadole: 10:12am On Dec 25, 2018 |
ignant: This kind of scam that take away queue from fuel station is highly welcome. Its far better than non scam subsidy regime that was keeping my car in the mega station for days. If oil price was low, subsidy was not provided for and it becomes necessary to pay same subsidy, then the govt in the interest of the masses christened it differently so as not not break the law and keep supply stable, I think its OK. |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by uridadole: 10:14am On Dec 25, 2018 |
ignant: ignant: This kind of scam that take away queue from fuel station is highly welcome. Its far better than non scam subsidy regime that was keeping my car in the mega station for days. If oil price was low, subsidy was not provided for and it becomes necessary to pay same subsidy, then the govt in the interest of the masses christened it differently so as not not break the law and keep supply stable, I think its OK. |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by Deepthoughts: 10:29am On Dec 25, 2018 |
midolian:I don't just get the unnecessary noise about the so call under recovery by this government,it is all noise just to cover the monumental fraud going on, it's fraud in the sense that all money generated by NNPC belongs the whole tiers of government as generated revenue, only the NASS has the constitutional power to approve it's expenditure but what we have on ground now is the Apc government dishing out bogus daily fuel consumption figures n claims of fictitious under recovery payments without any form of transparency or NASS oversight!,yet the zombies are busy singing the praises of thier demigods,the term 'under recovery'itself has just been employed by the decietful Apc to hoodwink the gullible, it's just a classical examplification of fela's statement of "using grammar to dabaru the situation". |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by Deepthoughts: 10:35am On Dec 25, 2018 |
olajide8:But when Atiku rightly suggested that they should be sold you people abused him so much. |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by theoldpretender(m): 11:21am On Dec 25, 2018 |
Deepthoughts: Seems like you don't get the principle of 'underrecovery' 1.NNPC imports fuel (as at today) at N165 and sells it to marketers at N145 per liter 2.NNPC also forces marketers to sell at N145 per liter 3.The government pays N20 per liter of fuel as 'underrecovery' to compensate NNPC for selling fuel to marketers at a loss. 4.Even then, NNPC is not making a profit at all. 5.In 2016 when fuel was being sold at N87 and landing cost was N132, government icnreased prices to N145 , and stopped paying subsidy since cost at the pump was higher than cost at the import. 6.As crude oil prices went up, so did the landing cost of fuel until it passed N160 PER liter...and recently it was high as N190 per liter. Government promptly was forced to start up subsidy payments again ie underrecovery payments to prevent a rise in price of fuel to as high as N250 per liter. 7.It is because NNPC is not making a profit, and has never made a profit under subsidies thaT NNPC cannot earn enough cash to build new refinereis and improve exisiting ones. 8.Also, we don't have more investors building new refineries because no one wants to refine fuel and sell it below the cost it took to refine the fuel. 9. All this corruption you allude to would STOP if government remives subsides, stops paying underrecovery money and allows NNPC to set profitable prices, and allows marketers to import and sell fuel at the price that would enable them to make a profit. However, this means a pump price of N250 and above...which most Nigerians do not want...and which would lead to protests. |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by theoldpretender(m): 11:27am On Dec 25, 2018 |
Deepthoughts: If the refineries were sold...the problem is that subsidising fuel means that the new investors would be refining fuel and selling it at a loss. And they need the money....the refineries need fixing. EVEN then....the four refineries CANNOT meet our needs today. The last one was opened in 1988....and our needs are far higher than they were back then... |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by Deepthoughts: 11:50am On Dec 25, 2018 |
theoldpretender:I partially agrees with you but view from other perspective,if the refineries are sold the government agrees to sell crude oil to the investors at a reduced rate on the agreement that they refines strictly for local consumption while the remaining crude from our OPEC quota is exported at international rate won't the refineries work?, it's important to privatised them because of sabotage from local interest,NAFCON,NITEL failed but now INDORAMA ,MTN ETC are successful,in another breath if the refineries are not taking care if now sooner the fate of nitel will befall them when dangote petrochemicals finally comes on stream.what do you think? |
Re: Under-recovery: Fuel Subsidy Drops To N20 Per Litre — NNPC by Deepthoughts: 11:59am On Dec 25, 2018 |
theoldpretender:I understand your explanations perfectly n they make a lot of sense but the main issue you avoid here may be out of deciet or not is,how did the APC came up with the bogus claim of Nigeria consuming 60m litres of pms per day n why was the so call under recovery been paid with out appropriation by NASS until now that the out cry from the opposition has forced buhari to include it the budget proposals for 2019,can you stake your life that the under recovery regime is devoid of corruption?. |
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