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Re: Welcome Me To The Atheist Family by LordReed(m): 12:32pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
olafunny: Where does this living god live? How do you know about this living god? 2 Likes |
Re: Welcome Me To The Atheist Family by BreconHills(m): 12:41pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
LordReed: To be polite your statement is unclear..Does Atheism include a belief or not seeing that it requires a huge leap of faith. |
Re: Welcome Me To The Atheist Family by olafunny(m): 1:05pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
LordReed:You actually think you just woke up being who you are? |
Re: Welcome Me To The Atheist Family by LordReed(m): 1:15pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
olafunny: That does not answer the questions asked but yes I just woke up like humans have always woken up. |
Re: Welcome Me To The Atheist Family by LordReed(m): 9:13am On Jan 27, 2020 |
BreconHills: There is no leap of faith because faith is completely excluded. When a judge has to decide if an accused is innocent or guilty, he doesn't use faith nor does he have faith either way. The judge waits to hear the evidence, that is the position of atheists. 2 Likes |
Re: Welcome Me To The Atheist Family by BreconHills(m): 5:34pm On Jan 27, 2020 |
LordReed: Atheists are not waiting to hear the evidence. They already hold a position that I have shown is not scientific or rational. If there is no God then it must also be true that there is no creator and that the world just came to be. But the statistical probability of that is much lower than there being a God. The idea that everything; the tilt of the earn, its rotation speed and its gas mixture is random and that this randomness provides seasons, temperature and tidal waves implies a degree of randomness that can only be supported by faith not science. If the earth, its seasons, laws and its interaction with living and non living things was created by chance then it should be possible to recreate this simply by exhausting all chances and seeing if living conditions and its pursuant laws could be replicated. This would be the approach of the logical and scientific mind. Today there are computers with the processing power to model such eventualities and for some reason no aethist has taken up this challenge which would end the discussion. So both atheism stand on the same ground of belief. Both believe in an irrational impossibility - one calls it God and the other calls it randomness. I am not trying to change your mind. It is night impossible to change anyones faith. But you cannot keep standing on the ground of cold rationality when you are in fact standing on the ground of faith. |
Re: Welcome Me To The Atheist Family by LordReed(m): 7:58pm On Jan 27, 2020 |
BreconHills: Even in this thread I have asked for evidence and neither you nor anyone else provided any so no you showed nothing.
Statistical probability does not prove a god. The statistical probability that a person of your exact make up is astronomically low yet here you are.
Because no atheist ever said that being able to replicate the conditions that made life arise would disprove the existence of a god. What it would indicate is that natural processes are sufficient to explain the origin of the universe and life. If you want to insert a god into the equation then the onus is on you to prove one exists. It's not my job to disprove your god, its your job to prove your god.
Your eagerness to jump to this conclusion betrays your motivation. You know your position is incredibly weak so you'd like to rope atheism into your untenable position. It doesn't work that way, atheism has no faith component since it doesn’t not require you to believe anything.
I had faith at some point but I dumped it in the refuse bin where it belongs so you are wrong about it being nigh impossible. And you are wrong about me standing on faith because I stand on rationality and reason, which work far better than faith ever will. 1 Like |
Re: Welcome Me To The Atheist Family by BreconHills(m): 9:43pm On Jan 27, 2020 |
LordReed: [i]I can understand that you may have experienced a disappointment in faith. You relied on it and it failed but the failure of faith does not mean that the faith is wrong, if I jump off a building with an open umbrella and fall to the ground - it does not disprove the science behind a parachute. It simply means my calculations were wrong. Were faith to produce replicable results it would no longer be a faith. Faith is not faith in the mechanics of faith or the system of faith. Rather faith is trust in a personality and the root of trust lies in the fact that the results may be variable[..without variables, trust cannot be proven/i] If I might ask do you believe in evil - do you believe that some acts are so heinous as to be evil? The murder of a pregnant woman, the forcible extraction of her foetus and its raw consumption by an otherwise rational person. By what barometer though would this be evil? Since if I was born in such a community it might seem perfectly rational to me. If you shudder at the thought of sharing a home with such a person then it must mean that you do not consider this to be rational. You do not accept that for rationality to be pure it must be contextual. You do not accept that there can be no single standard by which one can describe anything as evil. Do you honestly believe and select your friends on the basis of relative evil? Are you truly rational or are you contextually rational. My friend, I wish you all the best in the next decade. It is my belief that if anyone does not shut out the possibility of contrariness and if he earnestly seeks for truth, he will find it whether that truth is theist or atheist. Fair winds, may they bring you to safe ports. |
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