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elampiro: Mathew 16:17-19. ''Behold you are Peter, upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven. Whatever you loose on earth is loosed in heaven.'' This is the authority of the Catholic church and the Pope. Here the Catholic church is bestowed extended authority far beyond the scripture. The Catholic church assembled the bible to serve as a guide. According to the bible, Jesus did many things that were not recorded. Some of them formed the tradition the tradition of the church as carried on from century to century till Lurther rebelled after more than 1,500 years of existense of the Catholic church. The Vatican city is seating on the grave of apostle Peter. The gate of hell will not prevail; heresies will come and go, errors and false prophets will come and go but the Catholic church will always hold firm.

okpurukata: Jesus himself told us that the greatest commandment is Love. How many times did he say your brother should offend you before you revenge? Answer by yourself. But what do your pastor preach, fire fire fire fire fire, bind bind bind. Bind. Fire fire fire fire fire fire .... MOST OF THE SO CALLED BIBLE BELIEVING CHURCHES DO NOT PREACH LOVE. There is no love for your neighbor as long as he is not worshipping in your church. I visited Rome last year and guess my biggest surprise?most of the people doing business at the Vatican are Muslims, Hindi, Budhists. I askedWHY? Our vatican guide said, in the words of the pope, The body of Christ ( the church) is for all people. Can that happen at Winners? Redemption camp? Even at Jehovah witness camp? The answer is NEVER.

Let us remove the log in our own eyes before removing the speck from another man's eye. This is my final word here.

okpurukata: @forevergod3: what do you have to say about the latest divorce of Pastor Chris Okotie and his injunction that it shall not be discussed? Bible knowing and believing churches i indeed. BY THEIR FRUITS W E SHALL KNOW THEM. My brother God cannot be mocked.

okpurukata: The so called bible believing churches are busy squeezing their congregation for money and fighting openly over headship of their churches. Majority are pure business men. They are in it for what they will get, not to serve God or humanity. The church just beside my house collects all kinds of offering, seed offering, testimony offering, consultancy, tithe, general offering. At times when they call for offerings no one gets up again. Meanwhile the woman owner has suddenly grown in status.
How many of them can go to the villages and establish churches and truly do the work of God? Very few. That is why God will forever remain with the catholic chuch.
Love them, Hate them, they continue to spread (their own version of) the message of salvation. Shalom.

A-ZeD:
4evergod3

Question for you......

Why was the apostle paul not married and what was his teachings on marriage.

Translate the following in to yoruba
1)Tunde is my brother
2)Tunde is my cousin.

egbenduru: FOREVERGOD3
I still insist that you are reading the bible as a novel,do you realise that is the word of God in human language?Whay early languages were used to write the scriptures?What processes were used in the compilation of the bible?Can you even tell me the language spoken by Jesus in his life and monistry?Get one thing clear,all these play on words,quibles that you are engaging in does not and will never change us catholics,we speak ,preach and talk about what we know.In the area of exegesis I wonder if you can stand me .

Anyigala: "Have you heard of the Harlot church that rides the beast ?"

" Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. The name written on her forehead was a mystery: Babylon the great the mother of LovePeddlers and of the abominations of the earth. I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus." - Revelation 17 : 3-6"

Well, you didn't answer any of the questions i asked instead you quote Revelation to me, the same Revelation Martin Lurther wanted to throw out from his version of The New Testament.
Back to your question, Yes i know so much about my Catholic faith and i like to have a cordial face to face and civilised debate about my Catholic faith. Since that will not be possible, let me do it here. It would have been nice if you had quoted the whole passage. The passage you just quoted dosen't make any sense but i have an idea where you are trying to go with it. If you have time read on..
“And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her I marvelled greatly. But the angel said to me, "Why marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her. The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is to ascend from the bottomless pit and go to perdition; and the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will marvel to behold the beast, because it was and is not and is to come. This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he comes he must remain only a little while. As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to perdition. And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. These are of one mind and give over their power and authority to the beast; they will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful." And he said to me, "The waters that you saw, where the harlot is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.
And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the harlot; they will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and giving over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. And the woman that you saw is the great city which has dominion over the kings of the earth."
If you look at the very last line (verse 17) above, you will see that the LovePeddler of Babylon is a “great city that has dominion over the Kings of the earth”. Now we all have to ask ourselves if the Vatican has any dominion over any Kings of the earth today. Well there aren’t that many Kings around anymore, for one thing, and even if you transpose the word “president” for “king”, it’s laughable to say that the Vatican has dominion over any president or ruler of a country today, with all of the legalized abortion, contraception, divorce and remarriage, etc., that is going on in most countries today. And in countries that do have Kings, like Saudi Arabia, certainly the Vatican has zero dominion over Muslim countries.
So which city is John talking about anyway? The 7 mountains that the LovePeddler sits on with the 7 Kings gives us a clue. The Vatican does not sit on one of the 7 hills of Rome, which are Aventine Hill, Caelian Hill, Capitoline Hill, Esquiline Hill, Palatine Hill, Quirinal Hill, and Viminal Hill. Vatican Hill sits across the Tiber River from ancient Rome, and was a crucifixion site (where Peter was crucified upside down). It was not made part of the city of Rome until the 9th Century, well after John wrote the book of Revelation. And since we know that 5 of the 7 kings have already fallen in John’s time, and the other 2 must remain “a little while”, the city had to exist in John’s time, 1rst Century AD. This is all confirmed by Revelation 1:1, which says:
"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, "
“Soon” would NOT be 8 centuries later, for sure.
So this means that the LovePeddler of Babylon is a great city that had to have existed in the first century. Which city might that be? Revelation 11:8 gives us the answer:
“and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.”
Jerusalem, the great city where Jesus was crucified, seems to be the great city, or the LovePeddler of Babylon! But wait a minute – Isn’t Jerusalem the Holy City? How in the world could anyone say that Jerusalem is the LovePeddler of Babylon? For the record, Jerusalem also sits on 7 hills, namely, Scopus, Nob, Mount of Corruption, Old Mount Zion, Ophel, Rock, and New Mount Zion. And at the time of John, Jerusalem did have a lot of power over many Kings of the earth (because Jerusalem was the center of worship of God), as well as being a center of commerce.
Well, let’s look elsewhere in the bible, and in the words of our protestant brothers and sisters, we will let scripture interpret scripture. For example, in Isaiah 1, God is castigating Israel for its many sins, even referring to Israel as Sodom and Gomorrah in Isaiah 1:10:
Hear the word of the LORD, you rulers of Sodom! Give ear to the teaching of our God, you people of Gomorrah!
In Revelation 11:8 above, we learned that the LovePeddler is allegorically called SODOM! And in Isaiah 1:21 below, God calls Jerusalem a harlot, which is another word for LovePeddler:
“How the faithful city has become a harlot, she that was full of justice! Righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers.”
Israel is also called a harlot in Jeremiah 3:6:
“The LORD said to me in the days of King Josiah: "Have you seen what she did, that faithless one, Israel, how she went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and there played the harlot?”
Ezekiel 16:2 says that Jerusalem has abominations:
“Son of man, make known to Jerusalem her abominations, “
And these abominations are described by God as harlotries in Ezekiel 16:26-30:
“You also played the harlot with the Egyptians, your lustful neighbors, multiplying your harlotry, to provoke me to anger. Behold, therefore, I stretched out my hand against you, and diminished your allotted portion, and delivered you to the greed of your enemies, the daughters of the Philistines, who were ashamed of your lewd behavior. You played the harlot also with the Assyrians, because you were insatiable; yea, you played the harlot with them, and still you were not satisfied. You multiplied your harlotry also with the trading land of Chaldea; and even with this you were not satisfied. "How lovesick is your heart, says the Lord GOD, seeing you did all these things, the deeds of a brazen harlot;”
It would seem that God is describing Jerusalem as a harlot because He considered Jerusalem to be one with Him, as a man marries a bride. But Jerusalem and its people always seemed to going after pagan wives, worshipping false idols like the golden calf, and generally not being true to the covenant God had established with them during the time of Moses. And now, in John’s time, the leaders of Jerusalem were teaming up with pagan Rome to not only kill the apostles and prophets, but also the Messiah Himself.
Jesus Himself condemns Jerusalem in Matthew 23:29-38:
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, saying, `If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' Thus you witness against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers.

You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.

Truly, I say to you, all this will come upon this generation. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! Behold, your house is forsaken and desolate."
Here we see Jesus foretelling the destruction of Jerusalem by pagan Rome in 70 AD. Why? Because they killed the prophets and stoned the ones sent to them. This should sound familiar, because in Revelation 18:20, 24 we heard that
"Rejoice over her, O heaven, O saints and apostles and prophets, for God has given judgment for you against her!"
"And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth."
So here we see in Revelation that the LovePeddler of Babylon killed apostles and prophets. Apostles were those that had actually been with Jesus, and prophets only existed up until the first century, way before the Vatican was established. One trap that some fundamentalists fall into is their sincere mistaken belief that the Catholic Church wasn't started until Constantine came along in the 4th Century. While that isn't true (we have the writings from the early Church Fathers that confirm that the Catholic Church began with Peter's commissioning), the question has to be asked then how can the LovePeddler of Babylon be the Catholic Church, because the LovePeddler had to be around in the first century when the last prophet was killed. So Jesus and Revelation agree that Jerusalem has killed the ones sent to it, and Jesus predicts the coming destruction of Jerusalem in this generation, which happened about 40 years later, in 70 AD.
And who destroyed the LovePeddler of Babylon? Babylon did, which was pagan Rome. Babylon is a code name for Rome, which symbolized sexual and immoral excess. Revelation 17:16 says that the ten horns (symbolizing the rulers of pagan Rome) will destroy the LovePeddler by fire, which is exactly what the Romans did to Jerusalem in 70 AD. And then Revelation 17:14 says that the Lamb will conquer them both. This happened in the 4th Century, when Constantine became the first Christian emperor of Rome, who stopped all of the religious persecutions of Christians with the Edict of Milan in 313 AD. Constantine built the Vatican directly on top of the tomb of St. Peter, on Vatican Hill, outside the city of Rome.
And so what or who is 666? In numerology, each letter is assigned a value. In Greek, the name Caesar Nero, the emperor alive at the time Revelation was written, adds up to 666. Nero killed his own brother and mother, and was generally known as the most decadent of all the emperors of Rome. John was trying to tell the Christians alive at the time that Jesus would eventually triumph over wicked Jerusalem and pagan Rome. The stubborn Jews of that day, like the murderous Saul, were turning in Christians to the Roman authorities to be tortured and murdered. Thankfully, on his way to Damascus, Saul saw the light of Christ and became the saintly Paul. But there was a price to be paid, as Nero not only killed Peter for preaching the Truth, but also Paul, who died by being beheaded (he was a Roman citizen, and therefore escaped crucifixion).
And for the record, the word Antichrist appears nowhere in the book of Revelation ! St. John does describe who the antichrist is in 1 John 2 - An antichrist is someone who denies that Jesus is the Messiah.

jmaine: And how many light years will it take any of your household to equal GEJ achievement ? . . . .

Dee mic: @poster i dnt know wht u intend to achieve wit dis post? Wht u should b concerned wit is making sure u make heaven criticism and trying to understand y some churches do wht dey do wont open d door of heaven so i will advice all of u claiming to know d bible to make sure it will lead u to christ on dat day, the most important is do d right thing. Thank you.

Anyigala: To be truly a “bible church” (notice no one ever says "food restaurant", "book library", "exercise gymnasium", or "car highway"!), the church would have to adhere to everything that is in the New Testament. Accordingly, here is a checklist of things that are in the New Testament that all bible churches should answer yes to:

1. Does the church have ministers who can forgive sins in the name of Jesus (John 20:21-23)?
2. Does the church have a healing rite for the dying that forgives the sins of the person who is dying (James 5:14-15)?
3. Does the church meet daily for the breaking of the bread ( Matthew 6:11, Acts 2:42-46)?
4. Does the church teach that you must physically eat the flesh of Jesus and drink His blood to have life in you (John 6:53)?
5. Does the church history date back to the time of the Apostles (Acts 1:20-26)?
6. Does the church teach that individuals can suffer for the sake of the church, because Christ’s sufferings were lacking (Colossians 1:24)?
7. Does the church teach that salvation isn't a sure thing (Matthew 10:22, 2 Peter 2:20)?
8. Does the church teach that prayers in heaven go through heavenly intercessors before reaching God (Revelation 5:8, Revelation 8:3)?
9. Does the church teach that saints in heaven are alive and can appear to humans? (Mark 9:4-5, Matthew 27:52-53)
10. Does the church teach that one must physically suffer to keep from losing one’s salvation (1 Corinthians 9:27, 1 Peter 2:19-21)?
11. Does the Church preach Christian unity, or division (1 Corinthians 1:10-13)?
12. Are the church's decisions ratified in heaven as well as on earth (Matthew 18:18)?
13. Is the Mother of Jesus considered to be the most blessed Woman, and do they call her blessed (Luke 1:42-48)?
14. Does the church teach that the church itself (rather than the Bible) is the pillar and bulwark of truth? (1 Timothy 3:15)
16. Does the Church teach that celibacy is a good thing? (Matthew 9:12, Luke 18:29-30, 1 Corinthians 7: 25-27, 1 Corinthians 7:32-38, Revelation 14:3-5).
17. Does the Church teach that life begins at conception? (Deuteronomy 30:19, Jeremiah 1:5, Psalm 139:13, Luke 1:43-44,Luke 23: 2).
18. Does the Church teach that contraception is intrinsically evil? (Genesis 1:28, Psalm 127:3-5, Genesis 38:8-10).
19. Does the Church teach that divorce and remarriage is adulterous? (Matthew 5:3, Mark 10:11-12, Luke 16:18)
20. Does the Church teach that good works are a very necessary component of our faith? (Matthew 25:31-46, James 2:26, Colossians 1:10, Matthew 7:21, Revelation 20:12-13, Romans 2:6.
21. Does the Church teach that Jesus Christ established his earthly Kingdom on earth before He was crucified? (Matthew 3:2, Matthew 16:19).
22. Does the Church teach sexual sins are transgressions that will keep one from gaining entry into heaven, or do they now say that they are no longer sinful? (Romans 1:24-32, 1 Timothy 1:9-10, Ephesians 5:19-21, Colossians 3:5).


If the answer to any of these questions is no, then it must be assumed that the so-called “bible church” is really a tradition of man, and is not in accord with EVERYTHING in the New Testament. The Church can’t just preach John 3:16 (although that is a great verse) and ignore the rest of the divinely inspired Word of God. God gave us the whole bible for a reason. To ignore the hard parts because they are difficult to follow is totally wrong.

And by the way, the only Church that adheres to all of the above questions is The Church started by Jesus Christ Himself (Matthew 16:18), the Holy Catholic Church, the only real "Bible Church"!

chukwudi44: Practically all precepts of the Roman Catholic religion contradict the Bible repeatedly. The Bible is the word of God. In this article, we are going to examine a few Roman Catholic doctrines and compare them with the Bible. The Roman Catholic church is the largest cult in the world and most preachers will not openly say so because it is so large. For Catholics who read this, please remember this: the person that tells you the truth is the one that cares. If you will only believe the holy scriptures--the Bible--and nothing else, you can be released from deception today. Ju

Ironically the same 'cult' decided the books of the bible!!! And yet 'bible beleiving christians' rely only on it for their teachings

egbenduru: I think ignorance is a deadly disease,one should never discuss what he lacks knowledge and information on.
First,the catholics do, not confess their sins to the priest,if you know the words and format used for sacramental confession which is also called sacrament of reconciliation,the penitent begins with,bless me Lord for I have sinned,the priest is simply a mediator,a wounded healer,that is why in igbo language they are called ukochukwu,the one who mediates between God and man.Why choose a man not an angel to occupy this position?He lives daily under the battle to be holy,suffers same pains of temptations and distractions,he is better suited to understand the condition of his brothers and sisters.According to the scriptures,no one takes this honour himself,each is called...
To God alone rests forgiveness.Again to use the weakness,failuress of the church to judge the need and position of the church's ministers is strange,we are all living by grace,a pilgrim church on earth,on the way to salvation,no one is holy even Jesus rejected the status holy,God alone is holy.We fall to rise,my grace is enough for you is the healing tonic.Remember that Jesus left behind some faculties and responsibilities for the apostles,peter the head of the apostolic college inspite of his weaknesses and failures became the stone on which christ would build his church.