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Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by monarch101(m): 12:51pm On May 09
MeeLan:
football is a process, u don't jump it. if u rush the kid to Afcon, he will be overwhelmed and the fizzle out, let him go through the ranks and gain better experience.
kaka was at USA 94 squad, but didnt even make the sub's list for any match. but later became World best.
Kaka bawo?maybe you meant Ronaldo(the Baptist)
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by SmartyPants(m): 1:24pm On May 09
Nbote:
Why won't d NFF concentrate on having him for d AFCON.. He's by far d most impressive winger Nigeria has got at d moment based on form and appearances dis season. Imagine having him and Onyekuru up front in attack

So far he has not been used much by the senior eagles so rather than starting from the bench in what is more or less seen by Europeans as a third rate competition, I rather he gets exposure against some of the world's future best.

You would not argue with me for example that the 2005 under 20 world championship was more instrumental in Mikel's career than the African Nations Cup of the next year where he started from the bench.
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by OGHENAOGIE(m): 1:34pm On May 09
YoungAncient1:
i like this post. Very sensible.
abi na wat ll chukwueze who is already a star for LA liga prove again...allow another unknown guy in Nigeria league or somewhere else shine too...the Europeans ll always be ahead of...cos tournaments like this de throw unknown quantities to battle out...
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by kendrick93(m): 1:59pm On May 09
MeeLan:
football is a process, u don't jump it. if u rush the kid to Afcon, he will be overwhelmed and the fizzle out, let him go through the ranks and gain better experience.
kaka was at USA 94 squad, but didnt even make the sub's list for any match. but later became World best.
are u crazy...kaka at 94
haha...
weed is bad
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by donbenie(m): 2:08pm On May 09
aribisala0:
Is he better than Maradona,Messi,Aguero,Seydou Keita,Adriano,Mikel or Pogba
They didn't have the dilemma of playing for either of two Tournaments..
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by donbenie(m): 2:10pm On May 09
Skmoda360:
mehn nigga is older than 19
Maybe,

But not far..

MRIs don't lie..
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by donbenie(m): 2:15pm On May 09
YoungAncient1:
Let him go for the U-20. He is still young and has alot of years ahead of him. Besides, wingers are not so much a problem for the eagles at AFCON level.
NOTHING in life is guaranteed,

This might be his ONLY chance of ever going to AFCON..

Theo Walcott went to the 2006 World Cup as a 16 year old and that was his one and only Tournament ever..

Injuries and loss of Form can happen..
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by aribisala0(m): 2:19pm On May 09
donbenie:
They didn't have the dilemma of playing for either of two Tournaments..

That is a very different point from

rusher14:
There's no reason for a play3r of his quality and experience to be playing U-21 football.

So do not try to twist it. The statement was about U-21 football period not about any tournament if it was why bring quality and experience into it why not just say which of the two he should tournaments choose

The statement says he should not be playing U-21 football

Many better players have played U-21 football

Forget profile African football is not beans Ask Drogba,Nwankwo Kanu and many others. Very few U-21 players have achieved success there. It is very rugged
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by fujirice: 2:20pm On May 09
MeeLan:
football is a process, u don't jump it. if u rush the kid to Afcon, he will be overwhelmed and the fizzle out, let him go through the ranks and gain better experience.
kaka was at USA 94 squad, but didnt even make the sub's list for any match. but later became World best.
This your comment sha!
Mbape will be like... say what now?
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by donbenie(m): 2:22pm On May 09
MeeLan:
football is a process, u don't jump it. if u rush the kid to Afcon, he will be overwhelmed and the fizzle out, let him go through the ranks and gain better experience.
kaka was at USA 94 squad, but didnt even make the sub's list for any match. but later became World best.
Not true..

If you are good enough,

You're old enough..

And Kaka wasn't at US 94,

Because he couldn't have been old enough..

Must mistake him for THE PHENOMENONAL ONE,

But at least he was good enough to be selected for the World Cup at 18 years..

And how old was Mbappe at the World Cup last year?
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by fujirice: 2:22pm On May 09
donbenie:
NOTHING in life is guaranteed,

This might be his ONLY chance of ever going to AFCON..

Theo Walcott went to the 2016 World Cup as a 16 year old and that was his one and only Tournament ever..

Injuries and loss of Form can happen..
Ehn!??
Which Walcot?
Which World Cup? In 2016? Do you mean 2006?
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by donbenie(m): 2:24pm On May 09
fujirice:

Ehn!??
Which Walcot?
Which World Cup? In 2016? Do you mean 2006?
2006 World Cup..

Ericsson took him there,shortly after signing for Arsenal..
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by donbenie(m): 2:30pm On May 09
aribisala0:


That is a very different point from



So do not try to twist it. The statement was about U-21 football period not about any tournament if it was why bring quality and experience into it why not just say which of the two he should tournaments choose

The statement says he should not be playing U-21 football

Many better players have played U-21 football

Forget profile African football is not beans Ask Drogba,Nwankwo Kanu and many others. Very few U-21 players have achieved success there. It is very rugged
You can't divorce the argument from the point of view of him playing at the AFCON instead,

Right Now,as things stand..

Him playing for the U-20 is a waste of talent..
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by aribisala0(m): 2:40pm On May 09
donbenie:

You can't divorce the argument from the point of view of him playing at the AFCON instead,

Right Now,as things stand..

Him playing for the U-20 is a waste of talent..
Different subject different debate.
My point is he is not too good to play U-21 football. No one is.
It may not be convenient for one reason or another at one particular moment. That is a very different matter
Maradona played , Messi played , Ronaldossss played Mikel played so what talent does he have that is a "waste"
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by donbenie(m): 2:49pm On May 09
aribisala0:
Different subject different debate.
My point is he is not too good to play U-21 football. No one is.
It may not be convenient for one reason or another at one particular moment. That is a very different matter
Maradona played , Messi played , Ronaldossss played Mikel played so what talent does he have that is a "waste"
You can't take the statement out of the context in which it was presented..

How many of these players you mentioned were in the same situation as this?

Him being too good for the U 20 in isolation is not the primary point of the debate..

When you factor in the opportunity cost of missing out on the AFCON,

Then he's too good for the U 20..
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by aribisala0(m): 2:54pm On May 09
donbenie:
You can't take the statement out of the context in which it is being presented..

How many of these players you mentioned were in the same situation as this?

Him being too good for the U 20 in isolation is not the primary point of the debate..

When you factor in the opportunity cost of missing out on the AFCON,then he's too good for the U 20..
The statement was made in a context but the words have a very clear meaning they are not ambiguous.

The issue of opportunity cost would apply to ANY player in that situation. The statement talked about HIM being "too experienced" and of his "quality" for "U-21 football".

The statement was about QUALITY and EXPERIENCE

if it was about choosing then that would apply to any and everyone

This was about him being too good for U-21 football Not the tournament but U-21 football
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by Magnifico2000: 3:04pm On May 09
YoungAncient1:
Let him go for the U-20. He is still young and has alot of years ahead of him. Besides, wingers are not so much a problem for the eagles at AFCON level.
I'm surprised you are saying this. Go and check England senior National team. They have a lotta young players under-20. E.g Jordan Sancho
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by aribisala0(m): 3:07pm On May 09
Magnifico2000:

I'm surprised you are saying this. Go and check England senior National team. They have a lotta young players under-20. E.g Jordan Sancho
England has traditionally not focussed on U-21 football unlike Nigeria, Spain, Argentina and Brazil. In fact no one watches them when they play .
In Nigeria it is a big deal
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by Magnifico2000: 3:11pm On May 09
aribisala0:
England has traditionally not focussed on U-21 football unlike Nigeria, Spain, Argentina and Brazil. In fact no one watches them when they play .
In Nigeria it is a big deal
What do u mean by England don't focus on U-21 football. The last world cup inithat categorycate won by England. So what are you saying?
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by Welcomme: 3:22pm On May 09
fujirice:

Ehn!??
Which Walcot?
Which World Cup? In 2016? Do you mean 2006?
He is right. Walcot went to 2006 world cup as a 16 year old boy.
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by aribisala0(m): 3:24pm On May 09
Magnifico2000:

What do u mean by England don't focus on U-21 football. The last world cup inithat categorycate won by England. So what are you saying?
Please try and understand the English language read my quote slowly ,comprehend and process what it means. Do not react like expired chemicals.
I am someone who chooses his words very carefully indeed
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by Magnifico2000: 3:28pm On May 09
aribisala0:
Please try and understand the English language read my quote slowly ,comprehend and process what it means. Do not react like expired chemicals.
I am someone who chooses his words very carefully indeed
I only asked question? I'm not abusing u? But I still diasgree with you that England don't traditionally focus on U-21 football.
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by Magnifico2000: 3:30pm On May 09
donbenie:
You can't take the statement out of the context in which it was presented..

How many of these players you mentioned were in the same situation as this?

Him being too good for the U 20 in isolation is not the primary point of the debate..

When you factor in the opportunity cost of missing out on the AFCON,

Then he's too good for the U 20..
This makes sense
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by aribisala0(m): 3:37pm On May 09
Magnifico2000:

I only asked question? I'm not abusing u? But I still diasgree with you that England don't traditionally focus on U-21 football.
Fair enough but guy I no cuss you na?

I know English people intimately ,I bet you if you ask an average England fan who won the last U-21 tournament they would have no clue. They hardly watch it . During the tournament you walk into a pub and it is not being screened or if it is no one is watching .SO by focus I am talking of not just the FA but the country. In Nigeria we won U-17 in 1985 and it was as if we won the World Cup .
I think they are coming around to a realization of its importance but traditionally they have not focussed on it. They do not even participate in the Olympics.

If you disagree tell me their previous best performances.
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by Magnifico2000: 3:50pm On May 09
aribisala0:
Fair enough but guy I no cuss you na?

I know English people intimately ,I bet you if you ask an average England fan who won the last U-21 tournament they would have no clue. They hardly watch it . During the tournament you walk into a pub and it is not being screened or if it is no one is watching .SO by focus I am talking of not just the FA but the country. In Nigeria we won U-17 in 1985 and it was as if we won the World Cup .
I think they are coming around to a realization of its importance but traditionally they have not focussed on it. They do not even participate in the Olympics.

If you disagree tell me their previous best performances.
The fact that they don't do well in the tournaments doesn't mean they don't focus on it. Compare the was we prepare for senior world cup tournament to Age grade tournaments. It is the same everywhere. The fact that we usually win it doesn't necessarily mean we focus on it.
Even though I can't recall how many times they have won age-grade competition, they have good youth system.
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by aribisala0(m): 4:03pm On May 09
Magnifico2000:

The fact that they don't do well in the tournaments doesn't mean they don't focus on it. Compare the was we prepare for senior world cup tournament to Age grade tournaments. It is the same everywhere. The fact that we usually win it doesn't necessarily mean we focus on it.
Even though I can't recall how many times they have won age-grade competition, they have good youth system.
I guess we would have to agree to disagree on what focus means. Though I do not recall saying that the fact that they do not do well is what means they do not focus on it? That is foolish. Have they done well in the competitions they "focus on? Please do not distort my words.

I said that they do not watch it and as population were not interested even when they won it was not a big deal that is what I mean by focus. It has never been a priority of the viewing public . Now you may dispute the factuality of that claim but do not misrepresent me , I have not equated outcome with focus>Traditionally it was never on terrestrial telly like the World Cup or European Cup. So for me as a country they were not interested in age group football at the grassroot level like we are in Nigeria or Spain or Brazil
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by Magnifico2000: 4:22pm On May 09
aribisala0:
I guess we would have to agree to disagree on what focus means. Though I do not recall saying that the fact that they do not do well is what means they do not focus on it? That is foolish. Have they done well in the competitions they "focus on? Please do not distort my words.

I said that they do not watch it and as population were not interested even when they won it was not a big deal that is what I mean by focus. It has never been a priority of the viewing public . Now you may dispute the factuality of that claim but do not misrepresent me , I have not equated outcome with focus>Traditionally it was never on terrestrial telly like the World Cup or European Cup. So for me as a country they were not interested in age group football at the grassroot level like we are in Nigeria or Spain or Brazil
Well.. maybe I want to agree with you that they don't really "traditionally focus" on the age grade competition. The initial bone of contention here is if chukwueze should play under 21 or play Afcon. I think you opted for him to play u-21 which is not a bad opinion. I think he should play at the senior level as the guy is very talented. If you see the way he plays in Spain, you would want him to go to AFCON.
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by aribisala0(m): 4:31pm On May 09
Magnifico2000:

Well.. maybe I want to agree with you that they don't really "traditionally focus" on the age grade competition. The initial bone of contention here is if chukwueze should play under 21 or play Afcon. I think you opted for him to play u-21 which is not a bad opinion. I think he should play at the senior level as the guy is very talented. If you see the way he plays in Spain, you would want him to go to AFCON.

Actually I do not think I offered any opinion on what HE should do personally if he MUST choose one for the other.
I would hope he can find a way around it and attend both.
Having said that I personally do not believe that young players do well at the nations cup. Yes we won our last one with young players if we believe they were as young as they claimed but nothing wrong in being part of the squad on the bench but if he has to shoulder responsibility it might be too much so I am sorry I prefer to sit on the fence with that one. I am not really up to date with the current squad and do not know what options there are but I remember Kanu when he won the under 17 as good as he was he was not rushed into the national team but first went to Atlanta Olympics etc
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by deltateam: 8:17pm On May 09
MorataFC:
How's that their problem?
If the boy can cope, why should his team will deny him one live time opportunity?

It is their problem because the club pays his weekly wages and having him play in both competitions will simply weary him or get him injured.

If you are the manager of a club, how will you feel paying the wages of a footballer in millions of naira even when he's injured. Something you could have avoided.

They spend more on him than Nigeria will ever do.
Re: Villarreal Says Samuel Chukwueze Cannot Play In Both AFCON And U20 World Cup by samtol4(m): 9:11pm On May 09
YoungAncient1:
Let him go for the U-20. He is still young and has alot of years ahead of him. Besides, wingers are not so much a problem for the eagles at AFCON level.
How was Pele when he scores goals in world cup ? The question is Samu has the quality or not for eagles not about age or years to come . he has no business in under 20

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