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Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by pacespot: 11:27pm On Jun 10
Devgod:
Messi is the greatest and best player to ever grace a football pitch. Stop looking at trophies they define team performance. Look at awards they define individual brilliance. And Ronaldo is no where near Messi on that. Some fools say Ronaldo is better than Messi at National level. But Messi has won the best player award in all the National tournaments World cup, Copaamerica, U20 wordcup. Now that defines individual brilliance.
Ronaldo on the other hand has not won any best player in any National tournament he has participated in.
Now pray tell me you dimwits who perform better at National level angry

Ronaldo would have not won Euro till Eder bailed them out. Portugal without Ronaldo held France to the last minute. Ronaldo won't have won UNC if not for Goncalo.
Ronaldo always have team mates that bail him out on finals. Now look at MessI, if Messi had team mates of substance and not a bottler like hugiaun who ruined clear cut chances, that rises up to the occasion. This argument would have ended a long time ago.

Ronaldo is nothing but a British media creation. Aided with luck and team solidity.
Messi is the best player to ever touch a ball. An attacker that builds up game from the midfield and finishes it off. Who does that?? Messi

thank you for this objective analysis, people on this thread talking as if football is a game played by a single player like tennis. we have 22 players on the pitch, 11 on one side and 11 on the other side. it is unfair to shift the blame of the outcome of such encounter on one single player. messi is the greatest player to have ever touched the football, but he alone cannot play against the 11 players on the opposition side. if higuain had scored that clear chance against nuer in the 2014 world cup finals, the outcome of the encounter might have been different. messi plays in an Argentine squad the can be considered one of the worst in history in terms of team cohesiveness, but he still racked up a number of goals to become their all-time highest scorer and led them to four finals, and there is still time on his side to win something for his country at the senior level. so the argument of comparing cr7's recent successes with his country with messi's is baseless.

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Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by GodSaklek(m): 11:36pm On Jun 10
Realist1:
If Ronaldo has thesame amount of quality players in his national team like Messi has,he would have turned world cup and the other national team competitions to his own.It's a fact.

Ronaldo is just too good at getting the job done,that is winning thats all.It doesn't mean Messi is not a great player though.The fact is,Messi's achievement in the national team despite the calibre of players in his team has been poor.

Argentina doesn't have a good squads?, go and check, Argentina squad are better than Portugal squad.... U can start from aguero

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Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by OkikiOluwa1(m): 11:45pm On Jun 10
rottennaija:
The trohies Messi won with Argentina during the junior world cups not trophies? Why are those often ignored? Because when listing the trophies Kanu won, the Olympics medal is mentioned though it was junior levels. Why ignore that of Messi?

Were those trophies he won then not his effort with a good team around him? With Hugain around Ronaldo in Real Madrid, what noteworthy thing did he win? The w national trophies Ronaldo has won, what really were us jawbreaking contributions aside from being in the team?

Messi has been in 4 finals, if he had the sort of determined team mates Ronaldo has in the national level, he would have been a world cup Winner by now. People always compare him with Maradona, but Maradona had teams mates that steps up to complement his efforts, team mates that delivers at important occasions when needed. The sort of team mate Ronaldo has in the national level.
In the begining, you made sense. towards the end, u wrote rubbish. no be Ronaldo say make Messi mate no get determination. Messi had 4 finals in his snr career which he lost. chikena

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Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by lazarusokafor90(m): 11:52pm On Jun 10
Aiyk2333:

this is the most smelling poo I've perceived this year.. imagine!!! Argentina has a better squad than Portugal in the past ten years.. who cares about dedication!! Portugal were below par in 2016 they edged the almighty France in the finals even with an injured Ronaldo.. what on earth would a world best player of umpteen times serve as explanation for loosing four finals? nothing.. don't come here and blame his other team mate.. Ronaldo steps up to the occasion when team mates are not in the best of form, that makes u world class.. stop that rubbish sentiments here, u sound clueless. four finals!!! four!!!! if the other team mates are not good, how did they reach the finals

How the finals take be four o. pls explain o.
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by charzyh2: 12:39am On Jun 11
kenzysmith:
i swear for the whole nairaland na ønly u be d few people wey mature n ve sense on a normal day person wey they assist dey dribble dey create chances,set pieces specialist on top come still win golden shoe come dey compare am with someone one who stand in box 18 waiting 4 assist. a runner, an header and shot specialist and a goalscorer. Ronaldo is good but lionel messi redefine football. Coaches and players says messi is the goat but fans say ronaldo is the goat. THE DIFFRENCE


u know nothing in football. Ronaldo stays in box 18 but has the highest assists in Champions league history and even Messi is not the 2nd.

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Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by Jokerman(m): 12:43am On Jun 11
lazarusokafor90:


How the finals take be four o. pls explain o.

COPA America final 2007
FIFA World Cup final 2014
COPA America final 2015
COPA America final 2017

You sev must agree say Messi Bleep up sha, yet him fans dey always blame Higuain

Even the 2015 UCL final wey Barca win, if no be Neymar and Iniesta (since Messi no score or win man of the match), he for still lose am to juve

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Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by charzyh2: 12:46am On Jun 11
henrixx:
tournament of one year na tournament? grin

Oga na friendly matches jare. If it was a serious stuff. They would have stopped club football to play the tournament to the end

Na League o. not tournament
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by maxwell530(m): 12:53am On Jun 11
Beedude:

U are funny. So no big club wanted Maradona before he left for a relegation threatened Napoli? Not until Messi and Ronaldo play for a weak team like Roma, Sevilla, Tottenham, Rb liepzig and win consistently. I don't think the argument of Messi leaving Barça for a new challenge or Ronaldo left Madrid cos of new challenge is valid. This is wat players like Alves, Ibrahimovic, Van nisterooy, Beckham has don as well
what I was trying to tell you is, Maradona didn't willingly leave Barça at that time.
Concerning Messi and Ronaldo changing comfort zone for new challenge. It's Just a normal thing cuz everybody wants to upgrade, man Utd was like one of the best team in the World when Ronaldo joined them, he left them to join another better team in Madrid, he left Madrid to join a team that have been in 2 finals and 2 semi finals of ucl within 4 years. Nobody will be surprised if Juventus win ucl next season cuz it's been a long time coming The world would've been more shocked had it be Ronaldo joined Udinese cuz it would have been a big downgrade to his career. Just like Hazard left Lille to join Chelsea the champions of Europe at that time, now he's leaving Chelsea to join a far better side.All the clubs Zlatan played for in Europe were all champions of their league before he joined. Even kaka rejected man City Arab money in 2011 for Madrid. These players are wise when choosing their next club.

About Maradona joining Napoli, believe me Napoli was the only big club bold enough to take in a narco and controversial player like maradona in. As talented as he was, the drug aspect was a big blow to his game. Only few wants to associate with a drug addict, even after his retirement from playing football, he still always run into trouble and get banned almost every year for bad conduct. That should tell you the kind of footballer he was in his days. Overall he was a fantastic player but I think he could've conquered Europe more if not for the bad character, his stay at Barcelona was very short,he spent just 2 seasons at Barça. As good as he was, he never win champions league, what I believe he could have won with Barcelona had it been he stayed longer. Tho he won UEFA Cup (Europa League) With Napoli in which he was fantastic in the tournament. But I personally think he could've achieved more if he played for top clubs like Ronaldo,Beckham, Zidane, Zlatan did.


Personally, I Believe Ronaldo and Messi achieved more than Maradona in Club football. He only boss them with World Cup trophies

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Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by charzyh2: 12:54am On Jun 11
Fgbread:


I'm not tryna back none of 'em. Abeg shey una don check their individual awards?
Ronaldo has more individual awards than Messi.
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by charzyh2: 1:03am On Jun 11
OSESUNATE:

You are funny and ignorant of football. Messi has won the most valuable player in all the national tournaments he's played, safe the last world cup, Ronaldo has won none. So tell me, who's excelled more internationally? or who has his team mates helped the most?

Bro, @bolded which kind lie be this na.
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by 9isguy(m): 1:09am On Jun 11
henrydadon:
Don't get me wrong Messi is a great player.. Absolutely phenomenal.. But I still think for him to be regarded as the greatest he would need to leave his comfort zone (Barcelona) and play football elsewhere and let see he would still be as specular.

Ronaldo has done that not once, not twice, but three times... And he has proven himself in very league he has been in and for that sole reason he is the greatest among the both of them.
No one should quote me

Lol, that's your own opinion isn't it? Football experts and journalists will always tell you who is better and this they do by comparing individual awards
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by Slynation(m): 1:32am On Jun 11
henrydadon:
Don't get me wrong Messi is a great player.. Absolutely phenomenal.. But I still think for him to be regarded as the greatest he would need to leave his comfort zone (Barcelona) and play football elsewhere and let see he would still be as specular.

Ronaldo has done that not once, not twice, but three times... And he has proven himself in very league he has been in and for that sole reason he is the greatest among the both of them.
No one should quote me
Amateur Analysis.......
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by Arkmanbuddy(m): 2:18am On Jun 11
Devgod:
My friend what do you mean by caliber of players are you okay?. Portugal team is more solid than ARG team. if you understand football you would know this. Big names don't win you games, determination and perseverance does that. Look at Ajax and what they did this season. Football is not about big names. ARG is just a cluster of big names assembled in one team without any form of chemistry. Look at the portugal team and see how solid they are. The played and won the Euro Final without Ronaldo, reached Semifinal of the UNC without ronaldo. Meanwhile ARG on the other hand couldn't qualify for World cup till Messi came and bailed them out



All you're doing is just looking for excuses for Messi, nothing more. He's a great player, no doubt, but comparing his achievements with that of Cristiano who's proven himself with multiple clubs is baffling.

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Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by Vikanto(m): 3:39am On Jun 11
rottennaija:
The trohies Messi won with Argentina during the junior world cups not trophies? Why are those often ignored? Because when listing the trophies Kanu won, the Olympics medal is mentioned though it was junior levels. Why ignore that of Messi?

Were those trophies he won then not his effort with a good team around him? With Hugain around Ronaldo in Real Madrid, what noteworthy thing did he win? The w national trophies Ronaldo has won, what really were us jawbreaking contributions aside from being in the team?

Messi has been in 4 finals, if he had the sort of determined team mates Ronaldo has in the national level, he would have been a world cup Winner by now. People always compare him with Maradona, but Maradona had teams mates that steps up to complement his efforts, team mates that delivers at important occasions when needed. The sort of team mate Ronaldo has in the national level.
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by henrydadon(m): 5:35am On Jun 11
Slynation:

Amateur Analysis.......

Let me put it to you this way.. If Messi and Ronaldo both set off to go for an interview at a company and they are going to hire based on experience who do you think is gonna get the job?

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Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by tesppidd: 5:39am On Jun 11
Godsein:


International Trophy = 0
You should actually feel bad for Messi,A club merchant.
International trophy 0.

Is that what your brain processed conclusively as awful?

Despite all my stats to show that it is his "superstar" teammates who have not come to the party?

You are Awful!
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by tesppidd: 5:43am On Jun 11
Jokerman:


COPA America final 2007
FIFA World Cup final 2014
COPA America final 2015
COPA America final 2017

You sev must agree say Messi Bleep up sha, yet him fans dey always blame Higuain

Even the 2015 UCL final wey Barca win, if no be Neymar and Iniesta (since Messi no score or win man of the match), he for still lose am to juve
2014 champions league it was Ramos.

2016 champions league it was Ramos.

2018 champions league it was Bale.


2016 Euros it was Eder.

2019 UEFA Nations' league it was Guedes.



So what is your point?
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by Debaks1: 6:36am On Jun 11
[quote author=wwwtortoise post=79198406] grin

Speak of numbers which will be a yardstick to measure this two greats in years to come; Ronaldo has the edge.

Cr7 is also tested and trusted in numerous leagues and competitions unlike Messi who pads up his stats with la liga and Spanish cup.

I know my GOAT
and my GOAT knows me.

True....... However, they played in the same League for 8seasons......ur boy was only able to win 2...if Messi followed him to wherever he is baba no go win anything ...doesn't count for much but 4 finals including the World Cup no be beans...
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by Godsein: 6:48am On Jun 11
tesppidd:
International trophy 0.

Is that what your brain processed conclusively as awful?

Despite all my stats to show that it is his "superstar" teammates who have not come to the party?

You are Awful!

You amuse me bro. Messi and his teammates are all bottlers,they choke on international games,what bout the crucial penalty misses Messi has made like Copa America final against Chile and the rest ? Made him fake a retirement lmao. Man just laugh with me,this so amusing!
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by tsmat(m): 7:19am On Jun 11
henrydadon:
Don't get me wrong Messi is a great player.. Absolutely phenomenal.. But I still think for him to be regarded as the greatest he would need to leave his comfort zone (Barcelona) and play football elsewhere and let see he would still be as specular.

Ronaldo has done that not once, not twice, but three times... And he has proven himself in very league he has been in and for that sole reason he is the greatest among the both of them.
No one should quote me

OK tell me the "uncomfort" zone Ronaldo has played in?
man UTD
Real Madrid
Juventus who has won the Italian trophy 7times before his arrival.

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Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by tsmat(m): 7:26am On Jun 11
If messi was to play in the premier league you can expect him to play in teams like man city....

now imagine messi playing in city ??
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by Beedude(m): 7:39am On Jun 11
maxwell530:
what I was trying to tell you is, Maradona didn't willingly leave Barça at that time.
Concerning Messi and Ronaldo changing comfort zone for new challenge. It's Just a normal thing cuz everybody wants to upgrade, man Utd was like one of the best team in the World when Ronaldo joined them, he left them to join another better team in Madrid, he left Madrid to join a team that have been in 2 finals and 2 semi finals of ucl within 4 years. Nobody will be surprised if Juventus win ucl next season cuz it's been a long time coming The world would've been more shocked had it be Ronaldo joined Udinese cuz it would have been a big downgrade to his career. Just like Hazard left Lille to join Chelsea the champions of Europe at that time, now he's leaving Chelsea to join a far better side.All the clubs Zlatan played for in Europe were all champions of their league before he joined. Even kaka rejected man City Arab money in 2011 for Madrid. These players are wise when choosing their next club.

About Maradona joining Napoli, believe me Napoli was the only big club bold enough to take in a narco and controversial player like maradona in. As talented as he was, the drug aspect was a big blow to his game. Only few wants to associate with a drug addict, even after his retirement from playing football, he still always run into trouble and get banned almost every year for bad conduct. That should tell you the kind of footballer he was in his days. Overall he was a fantastic player but I think he could've conquered Europe more if not for the bad character, his stay at Barcelona was very short,he spent just 2 seasons at Barça. As good as he was, he never win champions league, what I believe he could have won with Barcelona had it been he stayed longer. Tho he won UEFA Cup (Europa League) With Napoli in which he was fantastic in the tournament. But I personally think he could've achieved more if he played for top clubs like Ronaldo,Beckham, Zidane, Zlatan did.


Personally, I Believe Ronaldo and Messi achieved more than Maradona in Club football. He only boss them with World Cup trophies

Yes they did achieve more. Mainly cos they play for stronger teams for most of their career. I'm a Barça fan. But fact is no player has had a big influence on a very small team the way Maradona did. Doing this in an Era where AC milan, Fiorentina, Juve were heavyweight in Italy and the world isn't a joke. If Messi and Ronaldo can win LA Liga with Getafe or Real Betis, or win EPL with Crystal Palace or Bunley. Talk of changing club to face a new challenge is joke to me
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by rottennaija(m): 8:03am On Jun 11
tesppidd:
2014 champions league it was Ramos.

2016 champions league it was Ramos.

2018 champions league it was Bale.


2016 Euros it was Eder.

2019 UEFA Nations' league it was Guedes.



So what is your point?

Of maybe the point he is missing is that other team mates must step up, which isn't obviously happening for Messi in Argentina when compare to Ronaldo in Portugal.

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Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by tesppidd: 8:03am On Jun 11
Godsein:

You amuse me bro. Messi and his teammates are all bottlers,they choke on international games,what bout the crucial penalty misses Messi has made like Copa America final against Chile and the rest ? Made him fake a retirement lmao. Man just laugh with me,this so amusing!
You're a clown so keep on laughing.

You refuse to look at the big picture, and it's called myopia.


All those Argentine superstars are failure except Messi.

Yes except Messi.

You have to be living in a cave somewhere not to have noticed how Messi has dragged along this bunch of flopping 'superstars'.
People like you never watch Argentina.

You only show up after the tournament to ask
"Who won?"


1.Copa America 2011 Messi scored his penalty.

2.World cup 2014 Messi scored his penalty.

3.Copa America 2015 Messi scored his penalty.


But you want to kill him for the only one he missed in 2016?
You know nothing about football son!


Do I need to remind you how many crucial penalties Ronaldo missed?
Euro 2012 he missed.
Euro 2016 he missed.
World cup 2018 he missed.

Only to be saved by Eder and Guedes.

Messi needs someone to save him sometimes as well.
Maradona, Pele, Zidane, and Ronaldo de Lima all had teammates who saved them.
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by tesppidd: 8:07am On Jun 11
tsmat:


OK tell me the "uncomfort" zone Ronaldo has played in?
man UTD
Real Madrid
Juventus who has won the Italian trophy 7times before his arrival.
Messi left his comfort zone in South America to play in Europe.

Ronaldo is a European who has played only in Europe.

Ronaldo needs to leave his European comfort zone and go to South America or Africa to prove himself.
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by Jokerman(m): 8:37am On Jun 11
tesppidd:
You're a clown so keep on laughing.

You refuse to look at the big picture, and it's called myopia.


All those Argentine superstars are failure except Messi.

Yes except Messi.

You have to be living in a cave somewhere not to have noticed how Messi has dragged along this bunch of flopping 'superstars'.
People like you never watch Argentina.

You only show up after the tournament to ask
"Who won?"


1.Copa America 2011 Messi scored his penalty.

2.World cup 2014 Messi scored his penalty.

3.Copa America 2015 Messi scored his penalty.


But you want to kill him for the only one he missed in 2016?
You know nothing about football son!


Do I need to remind you how many crucial penalties Ronaldo missed?
Euro 2012 he missed.
Euro 2016 he missed.
World cup 2018 he missed.

Only to be saved by Eder and Guedes.

Messi needs someone to save him sometimes as well.
Maradona, Pele, Zidane, and Ronaldo de Lima all had teammates who saved them.

Yet only Messi has no international trophy.... Why do you think so??

How can Messi appear in 4 finals and can't win any?? Isn't it a shame really??
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by Jokerman(m): 8:45am On Jun 11
tesppidd:
Messi left his comfort zone in South America to play in Europe.

Ronaldo is a European who has played only in Europe.

Ronaldo needs to leave his European comfort zone and go to South America or Africa to prove himself.

Ronaldo played in man utd and proved himself by wining

EPL best player
EPL best forward
EPL golden boot
EPL title
UCL
UCL best player
European best player
Ballondor

Ronaldo proved himself in Spain by winning

Laliga best player
Laliga best forward 3ce
La liga golden boot 3ce
La liga
UCL
UCL best player
European best player
Ballondor

In Italy, he's proving himself
Serie A best player
Serie A title
Supercopa italia

In Portugal

Portugal best player
Portugal highest goal scorer
European highest goal scorer
UNL goal scorer award
UNL best goal of the tournament
Euros Silver ball
Euros silver boot

This is how you prove yourself... Show us for messi

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Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by tesppidd: 8:57am On Jun 11
Jokerman:


Yet only Messi has no international trophy.... Why do you think so??

How can Messi appear in 4 finals and can't win any?? Isn't it a shame really??
Fristly it is 3 finals not 4.

Secondly there's no shame whatsoever.


And you say APPEAR?

How does one just appear in a final?


The margins are so little that anybody who isn't already biased by default knows that luck eludes him.

Many footballers have such stories.

Being in a final is not an easy feat.
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by tesppidd: 9:04am On Jun 11
Jokerman:


Ronaldo played in man utd and proved himself by wining

EPL best player
EPL best forward
EPL golden boot
EPL title
UCL
UCL best player
European best player
Ballondor

Ronaldo proved himself in Spain by winning

Laliga best player
Laliga best forward 3ce
La liga golden boot 3ce
La liga
UCL
UCL best player
European best player
Ballondor

In Italy, he's proving himself
Serie A best player
Serie A title
Supercopa italia

In Portugal

Portugal best player
Portugal highest goal scorer
European highest goal scorer
UNL goal scorer award
UNL best goal of the tournament
Euros Silver ball
Euros silver boot

This is how you prove yourself... Show us for messi
Footballers go into the game to make money and entertain the fans.

This "proving self" only exists in the minds of overzealous fans like you.

Apart from Cristiano Ronaldo I have never seen any other footballer who goes around trying to prove himself.
"Prove himself"

What nonsense!


Anyway he should go to South America or Africa to prove himself.
Let him leave his comfort zone in Europe just as Messi left South America.
Re: Ronaldo vs Messi career trophies: 31 with Portugal + 4 clubs vs 34 with Barca by Jokerman(m): 9:13am On Jun 11
tesppidd:
Fristly it is 3 finals not 4.

Secondly there's no shame whatsoever.


And you say APPEAR?

How does one just appear in a final?


The margins are so little that anybody who isn't already biased by default knows that luck eludes him.

Many footballers have such stories.

Being in a final is not an easy feat.

That means he's one of the GOATs by luck abi??

And it's 4 finals

COPA America 2007
COPA America 2015
COPA Anerica 2017
World Cup 2014

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