Benekruku:


In addition to my points raised, I think we need to have a clear cut definition of what we talking about so we can address constructively which I will appreciate you do so we can continue from there.

Whats the difference between ranches, colonies and settlement?

livebyday:


The definition is obvious

Ranching is the practice of raising herds of animals on large tracts of land. Ranchers commonly raise grazing animals such as cattle and sheep

Settlement a place, typically one which has previously been uninhabited, where people establish a community.

Colony a group of people of one nationality or race living in a foreign place.in this case tribe, hence fulani colony

Benekruku:



Am glad you shooting yourself in the leg.

You have no point Dude. Read everything you composed and you will agree with me you already on my side.

Now you are boxed to an angle where you void and clueless, and can only use the size of land been demanded to make a point. Can you see our discussion is closed.

So what why were you arguing with me all along?


Dear! Am done with you!

livebyday:


And to add to my points earlier


Ranches are run by trained professionals.mot rapists and.murders

Are all herdsmen rapist? Its inhuman to attribute a crime to a trade. Okada is used to perpetrate crime does not mean all Okada men are thieves.

The fulani herdsmen are rapists and.murders , but the president said it is the Foreign fulani from.mali and Libya that do these crimes !!

Stop generalising please. You insulting a tribe here and will be unfair if same is attached to your tribe also. The basis of Ranching/Settlements/Colonies is to distinguish the good from the bad. Concentrate the trade at a location so you can go head to head with the criminal ones.

Okay what has been done to arrest them and prevent more from coming in? Nothing and you want to move these guys into colonies in the states?


The criminals will be fished out once the traders are confined. Presently, open grazing has caused a mix and its making it difficult to track this criminals. The first move on the forward is confining them. Arrest will follow.


That is lunacy

PrecisionFx:


""Read everything you composed and you will agree with me you already on my side.""

U are heavily illucinating.




I expected this exact same daft move from u. U are a very empty Herdsman who thinks easterners are so stupid we cannot see thru ur moves to steal millions of hectares of our ancestral land.

U couldn't offer any reply as regards to the definition of ranches n settlements and ur here blabbing absolute trash.

Benekruku:


Thanks comrade!

Much appreciated!

Benekruku:



Great!

So with cattle colonies and ranches, vast land is required. So what are we arguing about. Either of the two is 100/100 so far it confines them across Nigeria.

So what is the subject of rejection with regards to your definition.

nextstep:
Nigerians are complaining about the policies of a president they elected? Abeg. We can't vote a bigot and then complain he's a bigot.
If people from South don't want grazing, they should either: stop eating cows, or start ranching.

The recent noise from Rivers: "we don't have room for grazing."
Oh... so you want to eat cow meat, but don't want to use part of your land to raise the food you will eat?

Benekruku:



Hello! Am not fighting with you. If you are getting to realise you shooting yourself in the leg and its hurting you, you have no reason to pour your pain on me.

Back to our discussion

You said you dont buy RUGA and its Ranches you want right? Can you please give a stamp to it that state government should allocate LANDS for the implementation of this ranches? Both options demand samething and will lead to same destination.

Can you see you have just been making useless points all along? I regret utilising my precious time to argue with you when you dont even have an idea of what you yourself is talking about. I guess you just felt like talking. Try to always keep shot when you dont have words to say. You can always whistle if you desperate to get air out of your mouth.

I will leave you to agree with yourself.

Bye!

PrecisionFx:

U are so daft n stark silly, we have options to eat Pork, chicken, snail, goat, donkey, Turkey, Bush mean and many more.
U and ur fellow Herdsmen do not have any option than to sell cow beef to us, if u refuse to buy, hunger will kill u.
We hold all the keys

bigpicture001:

Mum do Japan nd Germany produce oil..?
Y don't UN stop dem from using oil..?

Maroghene:

To say am appalled by this comment is me been modest with u. If I may ask u and I want genuine answers:
1. Do u pay for the so called cow meat u eat or the herdsmen gives it to u for free?
2. Will u rather have meat at the expense of the life of ur loved ones judging from precedence? Selah

Omudia11:
So you Muslim northerners take alcohol VAT but don't want alcohol sold on your land?
You're just so daft.

DrCruz:
Are u that daft? Didn't u read what Ebony State Governor said? That ruga should be done in the north while they bring their cows down south and sell, and in turn buy grass to go and feed their cows?
Is that too hard?

livebyday:

Settlements are not needed ranches are it is not rocket science sir
A ranch of over. Thousand cattle can be managed by less than 20 people in a ranch please read up if you doubt this
What they need to do is build 3 for ,4 ranches in bornu or any northern state invite foreign experts to train them on modern ranching best practices
They don't have up to 5000 cattle combined so those ranches will suffice and even exceed their need

PrecisionFx:

RANCHING AND RUGA SETTLEMEMTS AREN'T SAME AND WON'T LEAD TO THE SAME DESTINATION.
We have long accepted ranches and then we are waiting for Fulanis to come n discuss with us, we will choose the location and quantity of the land we will lease or rent to them for the ranches. No ranch will be 30,000 hectares, we aren't stupid. 5 - 10 hectares which is 50 - 100 plots if land is enough to house hundreds of thousands of cows. For thr Herdsmen whi have 40 - 50 cows, we will give them 1 plot of land 100 × 100, that would be much more than enough to house 50 cows and house the Herdsman as well. Now not all villages will accept to rent out their land for ranching (1 plot of land in my village is 500m to 5 million naira so it's out of bounds for ranching)so the ranches will only be available in the villages across Nigeria that accept the idea. The state government isn't going to take lands as they please, they will still discuss with the communities involved.

Meanwhile Mr Herdsman, ur dullard uncle has withdraw the RUGA rubbish, he has realized that almost the whole nation aren't interested in that unprecedented land theft.

nextstep:




Mostly right, however:
1 - settlement allows people to continue their traditional way of life. We can ask they need to modernize, and that's a fair debate.
2 - with ranches, you need acreage to grow grass: rule of thumb is you need 1.5 - 2 acres per cow calf pair, so 1000 cows need nearly 2000 acres. more if you're growing other feed (e.g corn), and don't forget all the water you need
3 - If only 50 million Nigerians eat cow in 1 meal per day, and 1 cow feeds 1000 people (estimates of course to get an idea), you'd need to slaughter 50,000 cows per day nationwide. Seriously. 365*50k = A LOT OF COWS, especially if you include calves that are being raised for a couple years.

So we'd need 365 days * 50,000 cows * 1.5 acres ... that's A LOT of space, A LOT of water, A LOT of poop that needs to be managed, and a lot of antibiotics to keep cows from getting sick in such close proximity to each other (if ranching is done). In the case of growing grass in the south and shipping it north... that's a lot of trucks and petrol to consider.

post=79893243:

We are very Sorry for the shut up part,
that is unlike us.
It has been edited!
But stop what you were trying to do.
It cause rift, animosity and hatred, that is what we won't accept.
Sorry once more.
Have a blessed day.

Chrisjay1998:




So tell us how we can Pick the bad ones out of the good ones ! Is it written on there faces or do they carry it on placards

nextstep:




Mostly right, however:
1 - settlement allows people to continue their traditional way of life. We can ask they need to modernize, and that's a fair debate.
2 - with ranches, you need acreage to grow grass: rule of thumb is you need 1.5 - 2 acres per cow calf pair, so 1000 cows need nearly 2000 acres. more if you're growing other feed (e.g corn), and don't forget all the water you need
3 - If only 50 million Nigerians eat cow in 1 meal per day, and 1 cow feeds 1000 people (estimates of course to get an idea), you'd need to slaughter 50,000 cows per day nationwide. Seriously. 365*50k = A LOT OF COWS, especially if you include calves that are being raised for a couple years.

So we'd need 365 days * 50,000 cows * 1.5 acres ... that's A LOT of space, A LOT of water, A LOT of poop that needs to be managed, and a lot of antibiotics to keep cows from getting sick in such close proximity to each other (if ranching is done). In the case of growing grass in the south and shipping it north... that's a lot of trucks and petrol to consider.

nextstep:
It's amazing how many times I was asked if I'm daft in this thread. I consider myself a reasonable person and want to address a few issues/misconceptions.

1. I'm from Asaba. It's a pity that people assume that I'm Northern Muslim because I'm trying to be non-partisan and pan-Nigerian on this topic.

2. This is a national and even West African crisis: climate change is reducing grazing grounds in North and badly affecting pastoral husbandry (e.g. herdsmen). If a large section of Nigerians are denied their livelihood I can only imagine things will get worse for us all.

3. I have often suggested that if we don't want to help raise cows on our fertile grasslands, we should also reduce our consumption of cow meat and (as somebody pointed out) eat other options (pork, chicken, etc). By reducing demand for cows, we reduce pressure on grazing lands, but we still will have hundreds of thousands of Fulani out of work if that happens, leading back to unrest.

4. Germany and Japan do not produce Oil (we'd be in serious trouble if they did), but they (like all modern economies) have allocated lands throughout the country for planting, grazing/ranching, industry, residential, etc. They do it in a way that allocates land efficiently and benefits all citizens, and adjust to changing conditions. For the most part we in Africa are just wearing the veneer of modernism but we are not internally developed at all, still basically stuck in the 1700s in our methods of animal husbandry, agriculture, cooking, water fetching, consideration for others, and in our thinking.

5. Ranching does not solve the fundamental problem that grass needs a lot of space and water to grow. In developed countries areas are dedicated to growing fodder/hay, which are harvested and bundled off to ranches. In other words whether grazing or ranching, the grass has to be grown someplace.

6. We're being so sectional that we forget that we are a Nation and that we all benefit when we compromise. It's a pity our government does not enforce national unity and put down violence against all its citizens which explains a lot of hate and bigotry we have for each other. It's also very unfortunate that we re-elected such a small-minded, single-track, selfish and hypocrite individual as president. A smarter government would be having more sensible dialog... would swiftly punish all belligerents that harm its citizens... and would use its vast resources to predict/plan/implement workable solutions.


7. This is a serious question by Maroghene and I will answer here:
- 2. Will u rather have meat at the expense of the life of ur loved ones judging from precedence
Of course I would will rather my loved ones be alive, and forgo meat entirely. If we in the South took this question to heart, we would all seriously reduce our cow meat intake. I've been saying this for years, but the only thing we do is shake our heads when we read the news of people being killed over conflicts, but at the next party or beer palor, insist they should put more fried meat in our plates, or want to consume 5k suya. We don't deeply think of how our consumption and apathy ultimately affects peoples lives.

8. I'll admit that this suggestion by Ebonyi State Governor makes the most sense: grow grass in the South, which is shipped to North for sale. Then both sides can negotiate on price of grass and of cattle.

9. We should also be looking into how to reverse desertification and restore lush grass growing in the North. If you've learned from history, the desert area of Sahara once used to be lush and green, which should warn all of us that the current lush vegetation we enjoy in the South may not last forever as the Desert encroaches south every year.

The main takeaway is that we can't resort to the old methods of sectionalism/tribalism. Our region of the world is being desertified, yet we are not paying attention. Our people are being stripped of livelihood, and our people are also being killed because of it, yet our government - which we elected by the way - is not thinking smartly about solutions, or even being serious about stopping the killing. Things will worsen unless we change our thinking, unless we consider the big picture, unless we are all willing to compromise.

Nazzysca:

Thanks egbon.
But I wasn't trying to set you guys up but how could that guy say he hates Baba Wole?
It's well
Anyway, I admire your humility
Well done

35824L:
[s][/s] If fulani will strike anywhere first, it is your erosion-ravaged region. They have given your people a small sample in nimbo enugu state