Penboy:


The NATO you're actively mentioning, who dyou think is massively financing it?
Take America out and it'll die a natural death.
Europe might have begun the struggle for modern super powers but those countries won't dare America.

Check most institutions that America formed with other world nations, most fundings come from America. Trump even complained bitterly about some.

Truth is those European countries have gone lazy.

You are arguing out of point you are even arguing against your point. Oh yea US is the one paying the bulk of NATO bills but which country is actively using the alliance for its interest most? It's the United States, so what do you expect? The fact that US is the one paying bulk of the bills should tell you that America really values and need NATO and does not want the alliance to die.

Let me give you facts. If NATO dies today i can tell you western European countries would build their own military organisation that would protect them from Russia and any other percieved foe. Infact french president Emmanuel Macron has hinted on that last year when Trump was barking at European countries for their inability to pay up their bills.

US is the only country in NATO that has invoked article 5 during its creation. After the 9/11 attack on US. US triggered article 5 and declared herself under attack, NATO countries started flying intelligence misson over US in solidarity and moved to Afghanistan to smoke out the taliban govt that gave Osama a safe haven. So that alliance is very vital to US world hegemony. Do you think US can take on Russia and China alone without the help of her NATO allies?

US really need the cooperation of her allies to continue her hegemony.

OriginalZombiE:



Wow!

You must be very smart, clap for yourself.

Well, before you start clapping let me educate you a bit about geopolitics.

Obama and Hillary Clinton together with the rest of Europe sponsored the overthrow of Gaddafi, a man overseeing the one of the most prosperous economies in Africa.

Gadaffi died and Lybia turned to a labyrinth of slavery and death, where Boko haram train and recruit their soldiers. So, Obama indirectly funded the growth of Boko Haram and Terrorism which is seriously affecting Nigeria today.

Obama also has a hand in the war that has decimated the nation of Sudan.

Do you still like your beloved first black president??

Trump compared to Obama is a breath of fresh air for Africa.
He has not started any wars, neither has he tried to destabilize any African nation.

Read you no go read na to dey watch CNN from morning to night.

Spits!

america has never produced any reasonable president for a very long time now,from war mongers to pompous fool and now these cartoon trump

aremuforlife:
Trump is the real fool hear
America has lost their respect . They only live in past glory
He feel being the president of America makes a semi God
He respects no one and he always demand for one

pls check your grammar

duni04:

Oga please stop talking like this. [b] The only reason America and Russia are enemies today is primarily because of NATO and EUROPE. [/b]The Europeans fear Russian dominance or occupation. America is the big brother that keeps watch over Europe. You will never find the Russians killing people on the streets of America like they have successfully done in England. Or invading a country and killing it's President like they did in Romania during the cold war. Europe needs America for protection. That's why NATO was created. How on earth can the Europeans support Russia on the U.N. council? That's like a death wish.

SMH. Ignorance at its fullest.
The major reason America and Russia are enemies is due to ideological differences - communism vs capitalism. They took the ideological war to other countries like Vietnam and Korea. During the cold war, you could be arrested on the streets of US for being a communist.

duni04:

Oga please stop talking like this. The only reason America and Russia are enemies today is primarily because of NATO and EUROPE. The Europeans fear Russian dominance or occupation. America is the big brother that keeps watch over Europe. You will never find the Russians killing people on the streets of America like they have successfully done in England. Or invading a country and killing it's President like they did in Romania during the cold war. Europe needs America for protection. That's why NATO was created. How on earth can the Europeans support Russia on the U.N. council? That's like a death wish.

You are naive in international politics

The only reason America and Russia are at loggerheads is because one sees eachother as a treat to the international order. or what do you take America not satisfied with Russia position in Iran

Or you haven't read the history of America buying Alaska from Russia because it feared that Russia will use it to spy on it in the future.


America has been leading the world order ever since the end of world war two. America has prevented Russia from joining world trade organisation and numerous other organizations


Inaddition, Russians have successfully spied, carry-out espionage and numerous activities on American soil since immediately after the cold war.

So what are you talking about?

BafanaBafana:
What makes the USA strong is their allies. With the coming of Trump, they have lost a lot of allies, lost a lot of respect etc. Imagine Iran shooting down their drone and nothing happened. smh

Nothing happened as how? are you just ignorant or just been lazy as said

for your info US don't need any country to respond to Iran plus saying nothing happened is just so incredible well I'll urge you to read on what UK and US did to Iran aftermath

princfred:

Europe needs America more and should respect the friendship not stab it in the back.
Btw he said Macrons foolishness not that Macron is foolish.

What foolish writeup is this? I didn't say you are foolish

tyup:


Nothing happened as how? are you just ignorant or just been lazy as said

for your info US don't need any country to respond to Iran plus saying nothing happened is just so incredible well I'll urge you to read on what UK and US did to Iran aftermath

You think the US will win a war with Iran without its regional allies?

aremuforlife:
Trump is the real fool hear
America has lost their respect . They only live in past glory
He feel being the president of America makes a semi God
He respects no one and he always demand for one

The moment u understand that the POTUS is the number 1 man in the world
the easier life becomes

duni04:

See bros without the Europeans, America and Russia would-be serious allies. See what Russia did in Ukraine in crimea and in the east in donbass. See what they did in Georgia in 2007. See what they did in Maldova. The Europeans are scared shìt of the Russians. See what they did to sckripal on the streets of England!!!
That's why they all keep running to NATO. The Europeans can never ever side with the Russians. That's sucide. America can push Europe to any extent it wants. Russia can never ever be an alternative to the Europeans. China would even be a better prospect.

@ emboldened

This is a lie

America and USSR (now Russia) have always seen themselves as foes because they have different principles and political structures.

What makes America stronger today is because America is able to sell its own principles to the world and dominate the world order.

The Russians have always wanted to change that.

Ultimatezlant:
ofcourse but his disrespect for foreign authorities is not befitting an adult let alone president.

Funny enough he can't say such to Putin or small boy Kim


Forget the America first crap, if Europe and Canada decide to all close shop and isolate themselves I think the world would be heading for a third world war cos sanity would cease as humans

Very sound, and correct of you!
US is great because of their many creations, inventions and economy, but their economy is not isolated from the rest of the world. US must necessarily have international relationship before its economy can have international impacts. The more nations depending on them and generally in good term with US for exports, trade and all that go with it, the better. America economy doesn't become better if what they do and produce is for only Americans. But here comes the one who is ready to scorn any leader forgetting that power is in parts. No one has it all.

The present POTUS has always been very garrulous before assuming that office, and in that office, he has only advanced much more in being very reckless with words.
Every nation needs other nations.

Yusuf54:
Are you an American?

I tire for these people o. Ninety-nine percent of Americans would not be able to locate Nigeria on a map. Here someone dropped his own load to help another man carry his.

wirinet:

You think the US will win a war with Iran without its regional allies?

Lol funny US don't need to even fight Iran.....their boy Israel will do so smoothly

dermmy:


Europe needed America during the world war. And remember the 2nd world war was won by alliance not US alone. The muscle US flexes around the world today is due to the fact that it has support of its European allies under NATO. Unilateralism is what US thrives on, whenever US ditches United Nations and takes a Unilateral move on the world stage with support from its allies be rest assured that US actions would be justified.

Without the cooperation of European countries during the cold war US wouldn't have been able to put Soviet expansionism in check. After the 2nd world war ended USSR under Joseph Stalin started expanding eastward, eastern Europe was falling to Communism and this was a threat to Western europe and America, the main reason that led US to create NATO in 1949. And this NATO really boosted US power during the cold war years because the USSR would think twice before unilaterally taking actions that undermines US powers and influence.

Emmanuel Macron once said that Europe should create its own military force, a military force that can defend europe even from US, why? Because they are not happy with the US under trump. If that should happen that would be the beginning of the end for NATO and the end of US dominance on the world stage militarily. The reason US is running its madness around the world is because of the strength of the NATO alliance. And i can tell you US has achieved its selfish interest around the world through this NATO alliance. Bro let me cut it here. US needs Europe the more but Trump does not see this because he doesn't know intl politics. Putin a brilliant tactician knows the importance of alliance when he said some years back that

"The dissolution of the Soviet Union is the biggest political disaster of the 20th century"

Look at Putin today he needs alliance badly so as to project Russia's interest around the world. What US is still enjoying.

Of all comments made thus far, I give you a thumbs up.
What do you expect from bulk of the indomie generation that has taken over nairaland in recent years?

tyup:


Lol funny US don't need to even fight Iran.....their boy Israel will do so smoothly

The way Israel did so smoothly during the Israeli-Hezbollah war in 2005.

Sirwallace:


He puts americans first at the expense of ridiculing and putting other countries economy down. Thats what you call patriotism. But I call it patriotism with selfishness. Trump is acting because of america's biggest economy and military might. That was the case of Hitler too. The only difference between the two is the absence of land grabbing. Power intoxicate they say. Trump is pushing for his match across the globe, until he met his match in Putin or the short man in north korea across EU.
He forgot other countries too have their countries interest at heart and he is no respecter of their interest.
If you dont call that selfishness, I dont know what you are supposed to call it.

Look inward, who's interest does your Fulani president put first, Nigerians or Cows?

Ultimatezlant:
ofcourse but his disrespect for foreign authorities is not befitting an adult let alone president.

Funny enough he can't say such to Putin or small boy Kim


Forget the America first crap, if Europe and Canada decide to all close shop and isolate themselves I think the world would be heading for a third world war cos sanity would cease as humans

whats the fuss about Putin and Russia all the time. Putin fears Trump, he gave him a golden ball as a sign of friendship between Russia and America. I don't even want to talk about Kim.

Iamgrey5:
You are naive in international politics

The only reason America and Russia are at loggerheads is because one sees eachother as a treat to the international order. or what do you take America not satisfied with Russia position in Iran

Or you haven't read the history of America buying Alaska from Russia because it feared that Russia will use it to spy on it in the future.


America has been leading the world order ever since the end of world war two. America has prevented Russia from joining world trade organisation and numerous other organizations


Inaddition, Russians have successfully spied, carry-out espionage and numerous activities on American soil since immediately after the cold war.

So what are you talking about?

I guess you missed the part where I said the only reason why they are enemies today? Not yesterday or during the cold war. Communism died decades ago. There is no longer any ideological difference between America and Russia. Someone was even ignorantly saying America hates Russia because of communism, in 2019? Russia is a full fledged capitalist country. Russia was admitted to the G20 and the WTO. They even coined BRICS with Russia in it to signify Russia's emergence as a global power. That was before Russia started assassinating people on the streets of London, invading Ukraine (in the 21st century!), flouting IN sanctions and providing assistance to Iran and North Korea. Western businesses have since relocated from Russia because of serious sanctions. Russia and America cannot be friends because Russia has no respect for the existing borders of Europe. And That is something that scares the rest of Europe.

Atigba:


America doesn't need the Europe

They are liability to America

Azzin people surprise me sha , don’t they remember WW1 & 2? Europe was already overrun by the Nazis ... France was even easier to defeat than the neutral Swiss lol

If America leaves Europe to their fate Russia will deal with them

Ultimatezlant:
I noticed Nigerians supporting trump don't even know a thing happening in USA, all they know is that trump must be worshipped only to spite the first black president for not selling arms to gej who was deemed not functional.

Whenever trump issue is measured they just have to add their buhari frustration which everway they can.

The so called economy has been a rip off of the work Obama put in place not that trump revived the world biggest economy from any previous decline (economy was ok when trump came in).

The foundation of which America was built as a global leader is its position in global affairs which trump has isolated it from in the pretence of america first that is actually white supremacy been the most emboldened more than at any time



Its OK if trump is the only succor pained Nigerians get after all your political frustration in Nigeria.


However that won't make trump give you visa or stopping seeing you as an invader from shithole.

is Nigeria not a shithole country with shithole citizens including me and you?

wirinet:

The way Israel did so smoothly during the Israeli-Hezbollah war in 2005.

The first thing you should ask yourself rn is if Iran atm can afford to fund a war

think of this and give me feedback

onegig:
Lol America first? oh ok then. France first, Germany first. If everyone wants their own Nationalistic views most Global trade would collapse .

Also calling the President of a Country foolish because he is trying to protect his country makes Trump a kid that's only good at throwing tantrums.


The dolts on Nairaland are so freaking stupid it makes one cringe. Facebook, Google twitter, IG all have huge presence in the countries of the world and they make huge profits from local businesses and populations but because they are online they don't pay taxes to Local countries and retain almost all profits back to their home country. Is this right? Nope . What Macron did was just to tax these companies based on estimated profits they make from his country. That's not a bad idea.

Same way Uber is carting away 25% of all revenues made in Nigeria without paying taxes except for income tax of some fringe employees they have in the country. There's a spiral of effects this can cause and the most affected are you dumb poverty stricken people on here shouting Trump my G.

A market seller in Asaba uses Facebook to chat her friends and views ads placed by Mr Emeka in Owerri and the money ends up in a bank account in the US. Isn't the government that provided security and other basic amenities to the extent that the market seller was comfortable enough to use the so called services entitled to a certain percentage of those profits since they were a direct enabler of such transactions? That's just a low level explanation.

Anyways, poverty is truly cyclical and it is enabled by wanton illiteracy as displayed on this thread.

Na so. In on paragraph you compared Trump with a kid, next you went ahead to call other nairalanders stupid n "dolts." You were pained that Trump called France's €500M tax on American companies foolish, yet you ended up do out worse insults.

Next you went ahead to give a one sided argument and ignorantly brought in Twitter, Uber n IG into the argument when they were not even affected by the tax.

But let's even stick to your one sided Uber argument. Do u know the amount of drivers n their families Uber feeds? How about the car dealers? How about the customs duty paid to Nigerian government as a result of increased demands for certain car brands? What about drivers licences n vehicle papers paid for? What about the vehicle insurance fees even if it is usually 5k?

What about car mechanics that theoretically have more cars to fix? What about the family of those mechanics? What about the spare parts seller?

We have not even talked about how it affects crime rate.

.these are all monies brought into the nigerian economy because of Uber n Taxify alone. I know a car dealer who has sold 13 Toyotas n lexus in the last 4 months.

If u want to tax, tax but Don't just target 4 US companies. Trump is not a politician, he is a businessman n he will definitely find it harder to swallow.

OriginalZombiE:



Wow!

You must be very smart, clap for yourself.

Well, before you start clapping let me educate you a bit about geopolitics.

Obama and Hillary Clinton together with the rest of Europe sponsored the overthrow of Gaddafi, a man overseeing the one of the most prosperous economies in Africa.

Gadaffi died and Lybia turned to a labyrinth of slavery and death, where Boko haram train and recruit their soldiers. So, Obama indirectly funded the growth of Boko Haram and Terrorism which is seriously affecting Nigeria today.

Obama also has a hand in the war that has decimated the nation of Sudan.

Do you still like your beloved first black president??

Trump compared to Obama is a breath of fresh air for Africa.
He has not started any wars, neither has he tried to destabilize any African nation.

Read you no go read na to dey watch CNN from morning to night.

Spits!

Pinned

Iamgrey5:
@ emboldened

This is a lie

America and USSR (now Russia) have always seen themselves as foes because they have different principles and political structures.

What makes America stronger today is because America is able to sell its own principles to the world and dominate the world order.

The Russians have always wanted to change that.

Bros there is no longer an ideological basis (communism vs capitalism) for any hatred between America and Russia. Russia is a fully fledged capitalist country today. The fundamental difference is Russia's aggression against NATO. Without NATO expanding into Europe, they would be buddies. Russian separatists shot down a commercial jet with innocent civilians over Ukraine in 2015!!!. Russia has annexed parts of Georgia, Ukraine and Maldova. Russia organised the broad day light assassination of people on the streets of London. That's why Europe fears Russia.

tyup:


The first thing you should ask yourself rn is if Iran atm can afford to fund a war

think of this and give me feedback

The answer is no, but the war we are talking about will be inside Iran Itself, so they will have no choice to to fight to death.
Now, answer this also, do you think the US can afford to fight a full blown war in a foreign national today?

Do you think that a US - Iran war will only affect Iran? Are you aware the war will destabilise many African nations including Nigeria.

Are you aware that an Iran - US war will destabilise the world economy? Oil prices would double if not triple.

dermmy:


You are arguing out of point you are even arguing against your point. Oh yea US is the one paying the bulk of NATO bills but which country is actively using the alliance for its interest most? It's the United States, so what do you expect? The fact that US is the one paying bulk of the bills should tell you that America really values and need NATO and does not want the alliance to die.

Let me give you facts. If NATO dies today i can tell you western European countries would build their own military organisation that would protect them from Russia and any other percieved foe. Infact french president Emmanuel Macron has hinted on that last year when Trump was barking at European countries for their inability to pay up their bills.

US is the only country in NATO that has invoked article 5 during its creation. After the 9/11 attack on US. US triggered article 5 and declared herself under attack, NATO countries started flying intelligence misson over US in solidarity and moved to Afghanistan to smoke out the taliban govt that gave Osama a safe haven. So that alliance is very vital to US world hegemony. Do you think US can take on Russia and China alone without the help of her NATO allies?

US really need the cooperation of her allies to continue her hegemony.

Where was this western alliance during WW2 when the Germans over ran almost all of Europe? Americans had to travel thousands of miles across the Atlantic to rescue Europe. And you're here in 2019 talking about a mythical western alliance. Don't go and talk like this on American forums. They'll just insult the heck out of you.

aremuforlife:
Trump is the real fool hear
America has lost their respect . They only live in past glory
He feel being the president of America makes a semi God
He respects no one and he always demand for one

Do you mean here? Because I know you are the wisest man in the world and only a fool will spell here as hear. Well done sir carry go, such a wise man.

Built2last:


Hello sir, you are not entirely correct. The allies need America more than America needs them . America has over 100,000 stationed military men in Europe ready to act on command. America has over 150, 000 soldiers stationed in Asia. Trump said war is expensive and not good for the citizens. Iran should keep pushing their luck. They are no match to America in many ways. The only reason Russia has not invaded Europe is because of America. Putin desires that America pull out of NATO and it will be easy ride for Russia. Russia annexed Cremea, and want to take over Polland but American troops there will never allow that happen. Google is your friend bro. America is greater than you think.

You either have a master card or a visa card in your wallet now. Most ATM machines paying you are produced by American companies. They can shut all down in one button.

but the ATM I used yesterday had Chinese inscription on it

By the time Trump rules Americans for eight years, they will be reduced to third world country

princfred:

Europe needs America more and should respect the friendship not stab it in the back.
Btw he said Macrons foolishness not that Macron is foolish.

educate him proper.....

wirinet:


SMH. Ignorance at its fullest.
The major reason America and Russia are enemies is due to ideological differences - communism vs capitalism. They took the ideological war to other countries like Vietnam and Korea. During the cold war, you could be arrested on the streets of US for being a communist.

Communism vs capitalism in 2019!!!
Are you for real?

Are you now clashing with an ambitious France especially when they can not take your position without having to break a few fences? I wonder... It is true that the American wine is English in nature, but it is not purely English so makes it strong. But i don't think American's living in France should not have to pay taxes of any kind to the French government if they were using their resources...