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See Why You Don't Know Much Of Satan, His Angels Or Powers by cybertyrant(m): 11:31am On Aug 03, 2019 |
Although it is not among the top seven, it is important because false belief about Satan often leads to fear, superstition , and a focus on misguided behaviors in believers. Let me say that I don’t know for sure whether a being called Satan even exists, and I think it very unlikely. The Myth of the Fall of Satan However, if Satan does exist we know almost nothing about him because the things we traditionally understand about Satan are myths not supported by the Bible, and perhaps the biggest myth of all is the story of Satan leading a group of angels in a rebellion against God only to be defeated and cast down from heaven. The Bible does not support the fall of Satan myth—even if one considers the Bible inerrant! It is simply a story compiled from a patch-work of unrelated passages separated from their biblical contexts. The Myth Defined The fall of Satan is a popular view and has been around for a very long time. But we must ask whether it is supported by any educated Christian leaders—it is. We find an example of this support in The Moody Handbook of Theology (Moody, 1989). This is not a marginal work, but represents the perspective of a significant body of believers. Here is a section about Satan from page 294: Satan’s original state. Ezekiel 28:12-15 describes Satan prior to his fall. He enjoyed an exalted position in the presence of God; the brilliance of heaven was his surrounding (28:13). He was called the “anointed…covering cherub” who enjoyed the position of highest honor before God (28:14, 16). Isaiah refers to this supreme angel as “star of the morning (KJV Lucifer; NIV morning star), son of the dawn” (14:12). After he became God’s chief adversary (Heb. Satan) he is never again called by any of these honorable titles. But in his prefall splendor he was filled with wisdom and beauty, and he was blameless (Ezek. 28:12, 15). Satan’s fall. Satan’s fall is described in both Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14. Because of his sin Satan was cast down from the presence of God (Ezek. 28:16). The reason for Satan’s downfall was his pride; his heart was lifted up because of his beauty, and his wisdom became corrupt (28:17). The statement indicates Satan must have had extraordinarily high rank that led to his pride. Isaiah 14:12-14 further describes the sin that led to his downfall. Five “I will’s” emphasize his sin (14:13-14). He desired to enter the very presence of God and establish his throne on God’s throne above the other angels. He wanted to be like the “Most High.” For that reason God thrust him down out of heaven. Satan fell from his original exalted position. As the anointed cherub, Satan led a host of angels, possibly one-third of all the angels, from heaven in his fall (Ezek. 28:16-17; Rev. 12:4). The Four Biblical Fragments Used to Support the Myth This is precisely what I was taught to believe and, in fact, did believe for many years. But it is all a fabrication pieced together from unrelated scraps of text from the Bible to form a history that never occurred. Note that this view of the casting out of Satan is supported almost exclusively by three Bible passages: Ezekiel 28:12-17, Isaiah 14:12-15 and Revelation 12:3-9. We will add to them the words of Jesus from Luke 10:18: I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. They seem quite convincing, don’t they? Together, these four passages seem to tell a powerful, cosmic story. This story is assumed by many believers, taught in Sunday schools and popular writings, and preached from many pulpits. However, I will demonstrate in the next few posts that none of these passages have anything to do with a failed angelic rebellion. Each is about something else entirely. (disclaimer-this story is what I find interesting, and wants to share, all are not my writings)
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Re: See Why You Don't Know Much Of Satan, His Angels Or Powers by cybertyrant(m): 11:32am On Aug 03, 2019 |
At first glance, this passage seems filled with references to the fall of Satan: How you have fallen from heaven, Lucifer, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth… You said in your heart, “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God…I will make myself like the Most High.” The Background of Isaiah 14 Let us look more closely at the context of these words. Isaiah was written during the Assyrian- Babylonian crisis. Assyria, and later Babylon, conquered all the kingdoms of the mid-east. Isaiah wrote a series of prophecies against various countries, and chapters 13 and 14 are a judgment against Babylon, which absorbed Assyria’s conquered lands, defeated the southern kingdom of Judah, and carried the Jews away into the Babylonian captivity. The prophecy begins with notice that God will take action against Babylon; it builds in intensity and ends with descriptions of Babylon’s utter destruction. In chapter 13, Isaiah gives an idea of the issue he thinks God has against Babylon, ‘I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty and will humble the pride of the ruthless.’ The Taunt Against the King of Babylon Chapter 14 begins a taunt against the king of Babylon that includes the Lucifer passage. As you read it, consider whether the language is consistent with a jeer by oppressed peoples against a fallen, earthly political power, as Isaiah himself purports, or rather a reflection on the fall of an archangel at the beginning of the world? You will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended! The Lord has broken the rod of the wicked, the scepter of the rulers, which in anger struck down peoples with unceasing blows, and in fury subdued nations with relentless aggression. As the taunt describes the destruction and pitiful state of the king, is the language consistent with the idea of a human king, as the Bible says, or of a fallen angel? The realm of the dead below is all astir to meet you at your coming; it rouses the spirits of the departed to greet you—all those who were leaders in the world; it makes them rise from their thrones —all those who were kings over the nations. They will all respond, they will say to you, “You also have become weak, as we are; you have become like us.” All your pomp has been brought down to the grave, along with the noise of your harps; maggots are spread out beneath you and worms cover you. But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit. Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: “Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, the man who made the world a wilderness, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?” The ‘Satan’ Passage Considered Finally, let us reconsider the middle of the taunt that seems to ring with reference to Satan’s prehistoric fall. How you have fallen from heaven, morning star [Lucifer in some translations] , son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.” This is from within the same continuous taunt. Is the language of this section consistent with a reflection on the primordial fall of a rebellious angel? One word seems to stand out as a reference to Satan virtually impossible to get around—Lucifer. However Lucifer is not a proper name but only transliterates the Latin word for light-bringer. The NIV translates it ‘morning star’. After this passage was understood to refer to Satan, the KJV word ‘Lucifer’ was then understood as another name for Satan and entered common English usage. Had it been the equivalent Greek word, rather than the Latin, we might now associate Satan with the name ‘Phosphorus’. We have no other use for the word ‘lucifer’ because it occurs nowhere else in common literature except as a reference to this very passage. Therefore, we assume Satan is Lucifer in this passage only because we earlier assumed that in this passage Lucifer is Satan. Interestingly, elsewhere in the Bible (Revelation 22), another person is called the ‘morning star’, which could easily have been translated ‘lucifer’, so that with a slight change in coincidence we might today assume that ‘Lucifer’ was not a name of Satan, but of Jesus. Once this little issue is settled, there is nothing here to suggest that this passage is anything other than a taunt against a human king as the Bible indicates—one who experienced great power but is brought low. |
Re: See Why You Don't Know Much Of Satan, His Angels Or Powers by cybertyrant(m): 11:33am On Aug 03, 2019 |
Last time we saw that Isaiah has nothing to say about the fall of Satan . But how can we deny these explicit words? You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God…You were anointed as a guardian cherub…You were on the holy mount of God…you were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you… So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you…Your heart became proud on account of your beauty…So I threw you to the earth. The Phoenicians Ezekiel, like Isaiah, wrote prophecies against various countries, and this one is against the king of Tyre. Tyre was the most prominent of several cities of Phoenicia; today we call the area Lebanon. The Phoenicians were known for two things. First, they were a sea-faring people who traveled extraordinary distances from Palestine and created colonies all over the Mediterranean. They had important settlements along the coast of North Africa and down the western coast, in Spain, and on many islands that would become part of Italy. Their most famous colony was Carthage, which became the ruling power of the Mediterranean. In fact, it was the Punic (Phoenician) wars between Rome and Carthage that made Rome into a world power. You may remember Hannibal, who led his army (with elephants) over the Alps to fight the Romans. Throughout more than fifteen years of war, Hannibal won every battle until the battle of the fall of Carthage. Secondly, the Phoenicians were known as great traders who controlled the Mediterranean trade routes for hundreds of years. Both David and Solomon were buddies with Tyre’s King Hiram, and when Solomon built ships to sail the Gulf of Aqaba Hiram sent experienced sailors to help him in this new venture. The Phoenician King of Tyre Ezekiel tells the king of Tyre where he has gone wrong. In the pride of your heart you say, ‘I am a god; I sit on the throne of a god in the heart of the seas.’ But you are a mere mortal and not a god… By your great skill in trading you have increased your wealth , and because of your wealth your heart has grown proud. Because you think you are wise, as wise as a god, I am going to bring foreigners against you, the most ruthless of all nations…and you will die a violent death in the heart of the seas. Will you then say, ‘I am a god,’ in the presence of those who kill you? You will be but a mortal, not a god. Ezekiel continues continues by pointing out the king’s advantage: Your were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite, and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl…You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. Before now, the passage clearly described a man; and a man remains in view. The passage does not suddenly and mysteriously begin to address the fallen Satan instead of the king of Tyre; it addresses the king of Tyre throughout. The reference to Eden is a metaphor that simply underscores the king’s advantage. His kingdom was like a perfect garden—like Eden. Ezekiel refers to the King of Tyre metaphorically as a guardian cherub, which is another allusion to Genesis. Satan is no Guardian Cherub! However, those who think this passage refers to Satan in Eden encounter a difficulty in identifying Satan as a ‘guardian cherub’. The cherub of Genesis was not Satan, but another being posted to guard against trespassers. It could not have been Satan. The king of Tyre should have been a guardian of his privileged empire, but he was not. Ezekiel describes the king’s misuse of his advantaged position: You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings. By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries …I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who were watching. All the nations who knew you are appalled at you. This chapter has nothing to do with an angelic rebellion and its leader. Rather, it describes wickedness related to violence, dishonest trade, and unnamed sins. The king had all the advantages, but his very success led to the haughtiness to say in his heart, ‘I am a god.’ This is the story of a king living in history, not of an angel acting in prehistory. Why are the passages from Isaiah and Ezekiel so similar if they refer to different people? The tendency toward pride and self-exaltation is a common failing of kings. Neither Isaiah nor Ezekiel has anything to say about the fall of Satan. |
Re: See Why You Don't Know Much Of Satan, His Angels Or Powers by cybertyrant(m): 11:34am On Aug 03, 2019 |
Apocalyptic The first problem with seeing the fall of Satan in this chapter is that Revelation is an apocalyptic work filled with visions, symbolism, and fantastic imagery to convey a message of comfort in severe crisis; it is not historical description. This genre was popular around the time of Jesus and cannot be pressed to serve as information about the fall of Satan. Christians were severely persecuted by Rome and desperately needed hope that the Church would survive. Assurance of victory is the message of the Revelation, and the writer uses themes and allusions from a range of sources to make his point. There is no better summary of this message than John chapter 16: In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world. The Persecuted Woman and the Dragon However, there is an even greater difficulty—the text itself. Symbolic or not, Revelation 12 attempts to tell us something. What is it? A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. The story tells of a persecuted woman, an endangered child, and a hostile dragon so powerful that his huge, thrashing tail wipes stars from the sky. What do these characters represent? The woman is the people of God. The dragon is a force hostile to the Church—the Romans(Note that the Rome you see today was built on seven hills, ruled time by time, by 10 Emperors as an empire). The Church endured tremendous persecution under Emperor Domitian in the late first century, and this is most likely the backdrop to the apocalyptic encouragement. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days. The son seems to be a reference to Jesus who was crucified by Rome but was resurrected and ascended to God. Rome Identified as Satan The dragon was Rome; the Babylonians and other eastern peoples often identified oppressors with the mythical chaos dragon. Jews and Christians knew this power as Satan, so in the next paragraph Satan symbolizes Rome. Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. The resurrection of Jesus has great consequences for the dragon-Satan-Rome, and God prevents the dragon from destroying his people. The remainder of the chapter shows the dragon continuing its efforts against the people of God, but it does not prevail. Is the Devil in the Details? Let us look at details that might relate to Satan. Some see the imagery of the stars swept out of the sky as an historical detail—Satan in his rebellion persuaded a third of God’s angels to abandon God and join him. There is nothing here to suggest that, and there is nothing elsewhere in the Bible to suggest it. All the image tells us is that the dragon was huge, powerful, and overwhelming just as Rome was huge, powerful and overwhelming. What about the war in heaven resulting in the hurling of Satan to the earth? Clearly, timing is a problem in applying this to a prehistoric rebellion. This fall is a result of Jesus’ death, resurrection and ascension—the dragon’s power was broken and God’s people were able to overcome it by the blood of the lamb (Jesus). Chronologically, this relates to the time of the resurrected Jesus and not to some prehistoric era. But since the writer of Revelation borrows from many sources, might we discover one to clarify this theme for us? Yes! I Saw Satan Fall Like Lightning! Luke chapter 10 tells about the fall of Satan, and many in the persecuted Church likely were familiar with it. During Jesus’ ministry, he sent out seventy-two followers to spread the good news to the villages of Israel. They were told to heal people and announce the kingdom of God. They returned from the mission very excited and told Jesus, ‘Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name!’ Jesus was no less excited than they were; he exclaimed: I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Was Jesus referring to an event he witnessed in the mists of time past? No, he was responding to the results of his work in his own lifetime. Revelation 12 is a story about persecution and victory. It has nothing to do with the fall of Satan. |
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