who do u think is the best?  tick pete cech, d guy is good.

Lol.Van dar sar must be crying by now
No Votes For d tallest man

up peter cech, he is a good one.

Van dan saar has done really well for man utd but age is beginning to tell on him. When cech turns 40 and he's still chelsea's 1st choice goalie, then we can compare.

van der Sar, no question. Cech is almost as bad as Almunia but we dont really get to notice his flaws because Chelsea has a good defence

if this question is abt the present situation in england, then petr cech is the best. he won the best goalkeeper in epl last season keeping 18 clean sheets the same with pepe reina of liverpool but chelsea won more games on the clean sheets than liverpool hence cech emerged the safest globe of last season.
talking abt van dar sal, the right word to use is, HE WAS GOOD.
because of old age, he has started behaving like former arsenal goalkeeper, jens lehman that will save corner and then cause a goal.

Kai van der sar is definitely better. Cech was outstandin before d head injury but became average since then. Also chelse has a very good defence so he isn't as exposed to d dangers others face, making him look spectacular. Van der sar has saved more penalties and initiated more attacks for his team than cech. He has also had more point blank saves than cech. Wen VDS has d ball, he as acts like a sweeper tryin to release d best positioned teammate,but cech usual give it to terry playing safe. Also VDS is very confortable wit d ball at his feet and doesn't rush clearances even under pressure. Bottomline he's not jus a keeper but aslo and outfield player wen d need arises.

When ppl say chelsea has a good defence making Cech look good, Does Man Utd have a bad defence?

United's defence is not so bad but it's not as good as Chelsea's. Chelsea has a very good midfield. They dominate play in the middle and hardly get troubled at the back.
Cech has very poor positional sense and has poor judgement of aerial balls.

Cech has poor positional sense. . . ?

Laughter no go kill me. Cech is one of the few goal keepers in the world you can't beat from long range. You think he does that because he doesn't have awareness? I agree he falters with aerial balls, but the other point is bollocks mate.

medjai:

van der Sar, no question. Cech is almost as bad as Almunia but we dont really get to notice his flaws because Chelsea has a good defence

Nothing could be further away from the truth. If you are willing to go down that road, then the same could be said of Van der sar.

have you seen Cech's performances outside Chelsea? He single handedly eliminated Czech republic from Euro '08. Look at the numerous blunders he committed last season

Van der Sar. No story

Have you wondered why a top keeper like VDS spent 4yrs at a club like Fulham?

I cant imagine a top European goalkeeper playing with perennial relegation battlers

The only weakness Cech has is in penalties and VDS is even worse than Cech in this department

no need for this argument, good defenders or no defend, good midfield or no midfield, the question is who is the best between cech and van der sar?. to me i think cech is the best, chelsea fan or no chelsea fan, peter cech remains the best in the world.

CECH IS MORE BETTER WHEN IT COMES TO PENNALTY SHOOT OUT.
UP BLUES.

medjai:

have you seen Cech's performances outside Chelsea? He single handedly eliminated Czech republic from Euro '08. Look at the numerous blunders he committed last season

Van Der Sar is no saint either. Ever wondered why Juve sold him to off Fulham in the first place and got Gigi? That's cuz he kept dropping clanger after clanger.

chic2pimp:

Van Der Sar is no saint either. Ever wondered why Juve sold him to off Fulham in the first place and got Gigi? That's cuz he kept dropping clanger after clanger.

And after all the clangers,he's won two Champion's League titles with different clubs.He must be really bad.
Like someone said earlier,let's wait till Cech is 40 before we make this comparison.

chrisdoc:

CECH IS MORE BETTER WHEN IT COMES TO PENNALTY SHOOT OUT.
UP BLUES.

You really believe that.I hope you're not referring to Ben Foster.
And check the tenses,mate. . .

Valdes has won 2 CL too and still cant make top 10 goalkeepers in the world. He cant even get a National team call.

Dudek has won a CL too

Yet the best Goalkeeper of his generation Gigi Buffon hasnt won any.

VDS was a disaster in Juve and at that time no big Football club was interested that he has to spend 4 yrs in Fulham battling relegation.

Which top European keeper who is number 1 for country stays at a mid table/relegation club for 4 yrs?

VDS has never at any point in time been a great Goalkeeper. Just standard to above average

StarBoard:

And after all the clangers,he's won two Champion's League titles with different clubs.He must be really bad.
Like someone said earlier,let's wait till Cech is 40 before we make this comparison.

Why do we need to wait till Cech is 40? VDS from age 18-40 was never at any point as good as Cech was in the past 6yrs

VDS peak <<< Cechs peak(Assuming Cech has peaked)

Do we need to wait till Buffon is 40 or Casilass is 40 to know they are better than David Seaman and peter Rufai?

chic2pimp:

Van Der Sar is no saint either. Ever wondered why Juve sold him to off Fulham in the first place and got Gigi? That's cuz he kept dropping clanger after clanger.

so he only played in Juventus where he dropped clanger after clanger?

hahahaha

he was the best goalie in europe in 2 seasons,
1995 and 2009. In 2009, how old was VDS compared with cech? was Cech suffering from mid life crisis that a 39 year old man would win the best goalie in europe

and someone said VDS's peak <<<< than Cech
how many peaks can be attributed to someone who has been keeping for 15 years at competitive level

and yet they discounted 2 UCL trophies and and UEFA cup trophy cos Dudek also won a UCL

so why then do UCL trophies come into play when clubs are been compared with each other

dumb analysts full this NL. i no sure say some pass for school
as st today, Cech is a better goalie but VDS has proven to be one of the best goalies footie has produced

did they just compare VDS with Cech in penalties?

lolololol

bumboclats full this place

Any long time follower of European football knows VDS is one of the weakest keepers when it comes to penalties

the topic is in comparison with Cech

any ardent football follower will know VDS has made penatly saves in competitive matches more than Cech (even in the last 6 years Cech has been in top form)

Penalty saves in crucial matches? List them

saved a penalty in the shoot out Ajax lost to Juventus in 1996

Man City Derby and the charity shield with Chelsea (3 consecutive penalties were saved with cech in goal for Chelsea)

Euro 2004 Holland vs Sweden

im not sure but i think he saved Anelkas penalty in UCL final with Cech on the opposite side again

and let us free penalties, he has the longest streak of clean sheets in european football history!

FACT!

FYI VDS did not save one single penalty in 1996 CL final, Euro 1996 did not save any penalty. In Moscow while he saved Anelkas, Cech saved Ronaldos.

Why would a top European goalie be in Fulham for 4 yrs after being chased out of Juventus

VDS made a save in 2008 UCL final that gave UTD the trophy. I dont know of a vital save that a goalkeeper can make that will be more than that

and what about the 3 consecutive saves against Chelsea?

and what has his blip in Fulham gotta do with the highpoints of his career. where is Ronaldo de lima? does where he plies his trade today rubbish what he has done before?

VDS has won trophies and UEFA has named him best goalie twice in the continent!

and he also holds the longest streak of clean sheets in european football

and thats a record!

Ronaldo Lima is nearing retirement and playing in Brazil.

At the peak of VDS carrer, He was somewhere in Craven Cottage

nonsense

at what time do they consider someone to be peaking?

he didnt peak when he won european trophies but peaked when he was not in form

lmao . . . . . im running out of expletives


Ronaldo dropped to Corrinthians at age 32 cos hes nearing retirement and VDS at 36 playing for Fulham was considered to be at his peak?
hehehehehehe.

Its common knowledge to any rookie football follower that peak ages for outfield players differs from that of goalkeepers.

Many keepers hit peak form in their mid 30's and even stay active till late 30's and even early 40's

Examples of these abound