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Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Nobody: 2:30am On Sep 15, 2019 |
SmartyPants: i just hope you are not joking, militarily, SA has a self sufficient and well equipped military with a very well financed military industrial complex that can produce top weapons,dont forget they had nuclear bombs before,which nigeria does not have, SA has its own figters jets produced in SA, meaning they could raid nigeria if they want to, nigeria miitary is a mess, you can clearly see it. in economic terms, nigeria has lot to lose, nigeria solely depends on oil for its revenue while south africa is a very diversified economy, only three SA companies are top in nigeria, meaning they employ nigerians also if they decide to go, we will lose, many people will go unemployed repatriation of Nigerians from South Africa is not a huge embarrassment on SA, countries repatriate their citizens, it is nothing new, business will continue, for all we know SA is the gateway to AFrica, all global top brands are in SA in my opinion, SA has all the cards to hurt us, we do not, where can we hurt SA that it wont destroy us, they buy our oil, they employ us, we run to their country. we are the losers in the game. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Wetlands22: 2:42am On Sep 15, 2019 |
Mr poster If Nigeria export 3.83bn to South and import 5.83bn And import 514.3m I think it's a very good feet unless you don't know what you're talking about |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by SmartyPants(m): 2:42am On Sep 15, 2019 |
thebosstrevor: I think you need to do a bit more research on issues. Do you think South Africa is a 10 minute walk from Nigeria? The average fighter jet including those far above the level of anything available in South Africa has a range of 3000 km, which is about half the distance from SA to Nigeria. Lol. That is why nations that are serious about military reach have what are called aircraft carriers. By the way, which fighter jet is produced in South Africa? Economically, your argument is strange. SA cannot do anything to the Nigerian economy. Whether or not the Nigerian economy is based on garri, moi moi or toilet paper, the simple fact is, we do not trade much with SA as a major partner so if they decide to boycott our goods, there will be no impact. And as you know oil is heavily demanded globally anyway! On the other hand, they have somewhat major investments in Nigeria. As for the diplomatic row. Of course it is a huge embarrassment. When last did you hear of a country repartriating it's citizens from anything other than a war torn country? What image does that portrayal of South Africa to the wider world? 1 Like |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Nobody: 3:04am On Sep 15, 2019 |
SmartyPants: invasion might be difficult because of no land borders but countries have been invading each other even before air craft carriers example was in ww2 where large ships were used to transport aircrafts economically we are a mess, 70% of our revenue is oil, south africa trade with us is 99% oil which is almost 3.56 billion usd, that is a huge revenue for nigeria,if they decide to stop buying it, we lose, their business employs lot of Nigerians, directly and indirectly, if they close shop, people will go unemployed. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by timay(m): 3:11am On Sep 15, 2019 |
thebosstrevor: If MTN leaves, we can't loose jobs like you people are pointing out up and down. The company will be nationalised and bought by a Nigerian franchise or other investors, just like when Etisalat pulled out due to debt, life goes on. I think the job loss card some people are playing confirms a lot of things about the motive of this article, which means that the people sponsoring this article are the SA business owners trying to safeguard their business. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Nobody: 4:12am On Sep 15, 2019 |
I was the person that originally brought this news about this write up of Gimba Kakanda, to nairaland, since 10th of this month. https://www.nairaland.com/5408580/why-nigeria-cannot-afford-stand-off It's interesting that someone read it and went to do a new post with it - even the full write up, without Gimba's permission. Nairalanders though |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by sweetilicious(f): 4:38am On Sep 15, 2019 |
Iamgrey5:Exactly 1 Like |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Babaken(m): 5:02am On Sep 15, 2019 |
LET APC AND HIS FOLLOWERS ACCEPT FOR ONCE THAT BUHARI IS A FAILURE. EVEN JONATHAN THAT'S A CIVILIAN CANNOT TAKE THIS RUBBISH FROM SOUTH AFRICA. THAT WEAK LEAVE CAN ONLY SHOW HIS POWER HERE IN NIGERIA. 1 Like |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Absoj(m): 5:05am On Sep 15, 2019 |
manontree:We wont oo bro. Have u forgotten top elites in this country have their investments and even refineries in SA? |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Babaken(m): 5:22am On Sep 15, 2019 |
Myde4naija:my dear tell them buhari just want to make name while his followers want to make money none of them have interest of Nigeria in their mind. |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by lexy2014: 5:31am On Sep 15, 2019 |
Awaoyelmoni: Gimba is d same guy who falsely accused Wike of demolishing a Mosque in PH. His reputation for inacurracies precedes him https://www.nairaland.com/5381025/gimba-kakanda-accusing-wike-demolishing 1 Like |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by RomanGreen: 6:28am On Sep 15, 2019 |
thebosstrevor: No, you are the one missing the point, do you really think they will wake up and decide to abandon a multi billion dollar firm with assets worth billions of dollars in Nigeria... No, the worst they will do is leave empty handed 'which is very unlikely'....if they do, watch as airtel and co take over, what you are saying would have been feasible if MTN has monopoly in this sector but that's not the case....South Africa needs the Nigerian market due to our large population for its products. Have you ever wondered why President Cyril Ramaphosa quickly rushed to Nigeria when NCC slapped over $5B fine on MTN....bros think again pls 1 Like |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Awaoyelmoni(m): 6:49am On Sep 15, 2019 |
Absoj:apt bro I did cite sentiments in my previous mentions on this post Nigeria is run first on sentiments there's is more to the govt unintelligent nd cowardly approach than Nigeria being just weak. |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Awaoyelmoni(m): 6:54am On Sep 15, 2019 |
lexy2014:yes bro nd that too...Gimba has no business writing articles on public nd or international affairs infact wen I read this unintelligent nd naive article I had to ask myself hu put him to it. |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by xelly: 7:12am On Sep 15, 2019 |
They said IGBO MAN CAN NOT RULE NIGERIA. This is the effect. Continue to die by electing IDIOTS 1 Like |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by xelly: 7:14am On Sep 15, 2019 |
RomanGreen: Stop this, it is too weak. |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by timay(m): 7:28am On Sep 15, 2019 |
xelly: Nigeria is not weak . Our politicians only reacted that way to the crisis based on sentiments and personal gains , thus making us look weak. If push comes to shove, we have a lot of ways to economically do some numbers on SA. Anyone that thinks Nigeria is weak is jist either naive or he's deliberately saying half truths, just like the case of the writer of that article. |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by xelly: 7:32am On Sep 15, 2019 |
timay: Example of one of those ways? |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Nobody: 8:17am On Sep 15, 2019 |
GogobiriLalas: thank you man. i am not seeing light for almost 3days |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Greatzeus(m): 10:08am On Sep 15, 2019 |
selemempe:"Wounds of division"? Let me guess, occasion by Pmb right? Division between who and who? I believe there has also been division in Nigeria as a result of diversity of tribes,I also believed it is worse now. But I won't blame Pmb for it . We saw the level of hatred and unprintable vocal onslaught against Pmb by S.E after he became President. His sin was that he won Gej in a free and fair election. Everyone saw the obvious,even the yorubas were not left out in their hatred and abuse,just because of losing an election. Just like Gej, Pmb appointments were lopsided. He gave critical portfolio to those who supported him the most and those who he trusted the most. So what's the fuss about? There are people that when they talked on national issue I don't take them serious,even if they seem to be saying the truth, because I know what they saying is not as a result of patriotism but cheer hatred for Pmb,his tribe and all who dare support him. |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Nobody: 10:38am On Sep 15, 2019 |
Iamgrey5: well, they are also the only ones who have the stones and the temperament to brave nigeria's crazy business environment lets not forget at least two attempts to run cable tv failed woefully [i still dey laugh at the TSTV debacle] |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Iamgrey5(m): 10:46am On Sep 15, 2019 |
ornicus:This is not totally true Lebanese, India and Chinese businesses have survived the Nigerian economic and business climate for decades. And India or china would swallow the barrels of oil South Africa buys from Nigeria in a minute, if there companies are allowed to take over those South African multi billion dollars companies. |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Nobody: 10:50am On Sep 15, 2019 |
Iamgrey5: i guess you're right. i'm thinking in terms of MTN. back then, a lot of companies came to nigeria, tested waters and exited. Vodacom, Vodago tinz chinese are all fronts for their govt though. i only hope we have our shit together or all those CCECC railways may be taken over. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Ugosample(m): 11:17am On Sep 15, 2019 |
Greatzeus: this is a very hypocritical statement to make I was in Nigeria 2015 so I still remember vividly the campaigns of destruction of the APC How we as igbo were told to our faces shortly after Buhari won that because we did not vote him, we will get nothing from his govt (this happened a lot in Lagos, and we have not forgotten) and then the infinite 97-5% misyarn by Buhari then the fact that the so called rails they proposed to build not a single meter passes through the S.E. not to talk of the fact that Buhari asked on Live TV "what do igbos want" and not to even think of the fact that the application for infrastructure to the SE was the abysmal least I could go on and on. Buhari is the most divisive Nigerian president he is not the first northern president but Nigeria has never been more divisive and divided that is the truth of the matter there is no smoke without fire would a charlatan like Nnamdi Kanu be given audience IF that economic terrorist in Aso rock did not give him bullet points to latch upon? Buhari caused this , and have to take FULL responsibility for the division today I believe another president is coming to heal those wounds. |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Nobody: 11:20am On Sep 15, 2019 |
RomanGreen: No company will abandon its asset and no company will leave it asset and go empty handed without a fight in court Airtel and co do not have the resources and expertise to buy MTN assets,if they had, they would be NO 1, companies do not just wake up to buy assets they do asset risk before taking decisions MTN has a large market share in Nigeria telecommunication business thus making them number 1, global companies like MTN need foreign markets to make more profit does not mean that when they pull out of nigeria, they will suffer, e.g MTN is in 21 countries both in Africa and Middle east, so if they pull out of nigeria, they still have other markets to make profit from. Large population does not mean money, there are small population countries in europe and south america that are very lucrative than the nigeria market, if you check very well the three top SA companies in Nigeria are companies that sell cheap consumers products not premium products. yea, MR cyril came to Nigeria because of the fine but his visit didnt reduce the fines, he just came to reassure the nigeria govt. You need to ask yourself, did the fines collaspe MTN? NO, it shows they have money, the fines might send stock prices down but stock price fall and rises |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Nobody: 11:30am On Sep 15, 2019 |
timay: If MTN leaves Nigeria, people will lose their jobs, directly and indirectly, people working directly will lose, projects that are outsource to nigerian companies will be stopped, leading to close down of some of these companies,staffs also will be lost. their closedown might even send Nigeria telecom 10 years back because MTN is the only company will the nationwide coverage, they have all the infrastructures This 2019, you cant just wake up and nationalise a foreign company, rules have change, the world is very globalised that now adays if you try to nationalise a foreign company in your land, they can go to foreign court and these might lead to sales of your assets in foreign lands 1 Like |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Fortune109: 11:31am On Sep 15, 2019 |
Princedapace: It seems Oni apanle lara (The little respect I gave you has intoxicated you to be asking if I'm ok) Nope! I'm perfectly ok! You should check your own brain... So many countries of the world are more business friendly than China but China maintains it second largest economy in the world. Number one reason for that is their population... Having said that, the argument was premised on who needs who more between Nigeria and South Africa. Not who is more business friendly. And I have explained like every right thinking persons here that South Africa needs Nigeria more than we need them. For simple reasons of them having more of their billion dollars businesses here in Nigeria unlike Nigeria that has almost no major business in SA. It's a simple logic, you only complicating things for yourself... Nobody is asking you about how beautiful or how the whites have turned South Africa to a heaven in Africa. |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Princedapace(m): 12:18pm On Sep 15, 2019 |
Fortune109: Bro, first, I wasn't insulting u okay. If the question sounded impolite my apology. Now, back to the topic. Like I said earlier, no one will see where he earns large sum and treat it anyhow. There are some countries SA won't try that shit they did to Nigerians with. Why? They know their trade deal. SA will lose nothing much if they have a face off with Nigeria except some strategic countries are involved. I don't want to say much about international companies coming to nigeria for business more than SA. Check out the images I uploaded so far. SA has countries where they make much of their income and they can't try this shit with them. There was a document I read, I just couldn't find it. Nigeria was among the very least countries SA considers as a strategic business partner due to earning derived from Nigerian market compared to other markets where they make money. From the SA govt actions, u will notice that they are willing to let go of the little percentage they get from Nigeria. Their companies have over 90% Nigerian staff and have done several machinery investments. There are agreements entered before they could do those investments. I also want u to check the last image about foreign direct investment. Investors are heading to SA and it will continue to be so until Nigeria's crises and poor purchasing power is worked on. I asked u a simple question, how many Nigerians earn over 3 million per year? How many Nigerians can afford new items? This is the reason black market is popular here. It is same reason second hand used items are popular. The purchasing power is weak. Canada has small population but there is a reason the economy keep growing and for those of us into online business, there is a reason ad to those countries are higher. It is purchasing power. We have poor purchasing power in Nigeria coupled with endless crises.
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Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Ovamboland(m): 1:04pm On Sep 15, 2019 |
Corrosiveman: Majority of the 20 million who pay tax are not potential Biafrans, their states have the lowest IGR in the country, all 5 of them combined are far lower than Ogun state in IGR. Thank God for oil allocation. Biafra as a country will be a sorry case and a humanitarian disaster nobody is willing to witness again 1 Like |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by tck2000(m): 1:58pm On Sep 15, 2019 |
They might win the battle but we would win the war. |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by RomanGreen: 2:50pm On Sep 15, 2019 |
thebosstrevor: bro, am sure you know about nationalization....even the courts cant stop that, Nigeria has more than enough to bring SA to its knees.... |
Re: Why Nigeria Cannot Afford A Stand-Off With South Africa By Kakanda (Al-jazeera) by Nobody: 3:45pm On Sep 15, 2019 |
RomanGreen: try to live in the 2019 now, countries cant nationalise foreign companies asset again, this is not 1979, proper laws are already in place by the world trade organisation there laws in world trade organisation guiding this, dont forget that recently a british court awarded a foreign company 9.5 billion usd because of nigerian government not doing their end of their bargain they do not need nigerian courts to do anything, south africa will report nigeria to world trade organisation for nigeria breaking the rules, MTN will sue nigeria in a British or american court and if they win, it is game over, they can sell our asset abroad to gain all their money back. |
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