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Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 6:02pm On Oct 15, 2019
LordReed:


Those that laughed, laughed. Your opinion of the joke is irrelevant.
Are you dodging the question?
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 6:30pm On Oct 15, 2019
shadeyinka:

Are you dodging the question?

You've already said you can't prove god so end of discussion.

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Re: Who Created God? by malvisguy212: 7:48pm On Oct 15, 2019
what if God reveal Himself to a lady ( though privately) Even if the evidence for such encounters is not publicly accessible to the atheists. the theist persuaded about God’s existence through such
encounters is warranted in that belief, the atheist can not fairly rule out this possibility.

Now what if I am speeding down the highway but not paying attention to the signs ? If the highway patrol stops me, I could not say, “I am innocent ; I did not seen the sign.” My ignorance would be culpable since I have an obligation to pay attention to speed limit signs. I am afraid many people who claim ignorance about God’s existence are more like this.
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:52pm On Oct 15, 2019
LordReed:


You've already said you can't prove god so end of discussion.
I didn't ask you for my opinion. I asked you for yours.

Fear of appearing unreasonable is causing you to adopt this evasive technique.

Let me refresh you:

1.Let's agree that we currently do not know any method better than the "observables" that can be used for establishing facts about realities.

2. Let's also agree that If God truly exist as the Uncaused First Cause of Everything, He must be beyond our current laws of thermodynamics, logic and mathematics.

Then, be truthful:

How do you LordReed know that the observables and concepts like logic, entropy and thermodynamics apply beyond our observable universe?

Very simple question

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Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 8:09pm On Oct 15, 2019
shadeyinka:

I didn't ask you for my opinion. I asked you for yours.

Fear of appearing unreasonable is causing you to adopt this evasive technique.

Let me refresh you:

1.Let's agree that we currently do not know any method better than the "observables" that can be used for establishing facts about realities.

2. Let's also agree that If God truly exist as the Uncaused First Cause of Everything, He must be beyond our current laws of thermodynamics, logic and mathematics.

Then, be truthful:

How do you LordReed know that the observables and concepts like logic, entropy and thermodynamics apply beyond our observable universe?

Very simple question




Will my answer prove or disprove your god?
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 8:48pm On Oct 15, 2019
LordReed:


Will my answer prove or disprove your god?
It depends on how intelligent and unfalsifiable your answer is.
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 9:13pm On Oct 15, 2019
shadeyinka:

It depends on how intelligent and unfalsifiable your answer is.

At first you said no one can prove or disprove god, now you expect my answer to do just that. If you are confused I am not.

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Re: Who Created God? by kole88(m): 10:12pm On Oct 15, 2019
LordReed:


Well the failure will be yours. How do you believe a god that has no verifiable evidence? How are you better than those who believed in Thor and Ogun until we saw there was no god in the skies hurling thunder?
I DOUBT IF GOD EXIST BUT BELEIVE THERE IS A A SUPER HUMAN WHO CREATED HUMAN, WHO MAY NOT BEING IN EXISTENCE, HISTORY DESTROYED, FALSE STORY TOLD, NEW IDEALOGY DEVELOP BY THE WICKED HUMANS TO ENSLAVE HUMAN, WHO IS G O D? WHAT IS GOD, WHERE IS GOD,
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 5:55am On Oct 16, 2019
LordReed:


At first you said no one can prove or disprove god, now you expect my answer to do just that. If you are confused I am not.
When did my views start becoming important to you?

You asked kole88 a beautiful question:

Well the failure will be yours. How do you believe a god that has no verifiable evidence ? ....
"Verifiable Evidence" is thus important to you as the "intelligent Yardstick" with which to use in deciding to believe or not to believe.

1.Let's agree that we currently do not know any method better than the "observables" that can be used for establishing facts about realities.

2. Let's also agree that If God truly exist as the Uncaused First Cause of Everything, He must be beyond our current laws of thermodynamics, logic and mathematics.


So, How do you LordReed know that the observables and concepts like logic, entropy and thermodynamics apply beyond our observable universe?

Very simple question

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Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 6:05am On Oct 16, 2019
shadeyinka:

When did my views start becoming important to you?

You asked kole88 a beautiful question:


"Verifiable Evidence" is thus important to you as the "intelligent Yardstick" with which to use in deciding to believe or not to believe.

1.Let's agree that we currently do not know any method better than the "observables" that can be used for establishing facts about realities.

2. Let's also agree that If God truly exist as the Uncaused First Cause of Everything, He must be beyond our current laws of thermodynamics, logic and mathematics.


So, How do you LordReed know that the observables and concepts like logic, entropy and thermodynamics apply beyond our observable universe?

Very simple question

The question was to you not kole88. Go look at your answer.
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 6:09am On Oct 16, 2019
LordReed:


The question was to you not kole88. Go look at your answer.
Only the fearful would not be able to answer a simple direct question about their beliefs.

How do you LordReed know that the observables and concepts like logic, entropy and thermodynamics apply beyond our observable universe?
Re: Who Created God? by ultimatekint(m): 6:37am On Oct 16, 2019
It is simply a waist of time asking for disk kain question.
Re: Who Created God? by Nobody: 7:02am On Oct 16, 2019
shadeyinka:

Only the fearful would not be able to answer a simple direct question about their beliefs.

How do you LordReed know that the observables and concepts like logic, entropy and thermodynamics apply beyond our observable universe?
Spambot (alongside my busy schedule) kept getting me before I could raise down your ridiculous arguments with links to facts. But anyways
1> Atheists do not claim to know anything prior to the universe. Your question is based on a strawman fallacy (not that you care obviously about the dishonest logic you always present to validate your bombast)
2> Christians such as yourself, claim a non-temporal being existing before the universe. Therefore the question is more apt for you lots.
3> There is no need to negate a deity you can demonstrate ZERO evidence for

If the over sensitive spambots don't restrict me this time. Hopefully, we can move on from here.
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:22am On Oct 16, 2019
I ask you not to negate or affirm anything but to answer a plain question
XxSabrinaxX:

Spambot (alongside my busy schedule) kept getting me before I could raise down your ridiculous arguments with links to facts. But anyways
1> Atheists do not claim to know anything prior to the universe. Your question is based on a strawman fallacy (not that you care obviously about the dishonest logic you always present to validate your bombast)
2> Christians such as yourself, claim a non-temporal being existing before the universe. Therefore the question is more apt for you lots.
3> There is no need to negate a deity you can demonstrate ZERO evidence for

If the over sensitive spambots don't restrict me this time. Hopefully, we can move on from here.
I have not defined Atheism nor what I think Atheists believes. I have only asked a logical question based on just one of the several objections of Atheists. It's not even about my claims it's about you.

Let me spread it out for you again:
1.Let's agree that we currently do not know any method better than the "observables" that can be used for establishing facts about realities.

2. Let's also agree that If God truly exist as the Uncaused First Cause of Everything, He must exist beyond our current time and laws of thermodynamics, logic and mathematics.

So, How do you Sabrina know that the observables and concepts like logic, entropy and thermodynamics apply beyond our observable universe?

Very simple question

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Re: Who Created God? by Nobody: 8:06am On Oct 16, 2019
shadeyinka:

1.Let's agree that we currently do not know any method better than the "observables" that can be used for establishing facts about realities.

2. Let's also agree that If God truly exist as the Uncaused First Cause of Everything, He must exist beyond our current time and laws of thermodynamics, logic and mathematics.

So, How do you Sabrina know that the observables and concepts like logic, entropy and thermodynamics apply beyond our observable universe?

Very simple question


How can I be concerned with this when I've made no claims?

This is getting boring fast. Logic without evidence is mental masturbation. You can make all the attestations you want to make. Your three premises about cause and effect were faulty and I kept trying to show links but to no avail. But that's all good. Just for your sake, I'll open a thread to talk about causality, retrocausality, higgs boson, norton's dome etc when the time is ripe

Mark this post and have a nice day
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 8:19am On Oct 16, 2019
XxSabrinaxX:

How can I be concerned with this when I've made no claims?

This is getting boring fast. Logic without evidence is mental masturbation. You can make all the attestations you want to make. Your three premises about cause and effect were faulty and I kept trying to show links but to no avail. But that's all good. Just for your sake, I'll open a thread to talk about causality, retrocausality, higgs boson, norton's dome etc when the time is ripe

Mark this post and have a nice day
I have asked you a question about evidence and not logic.

But I understand you well.
Why enter the "Truth trap" you can't possibly logically or Scientifically escape from!?

But why does the implication of the Truth disturb so much?
Is ignorance truely a bliss?
Re: Who Created God? by Nobody: 8:21am On Oct 16, 2019
shadeyinka:

I understand you well.
Why enter the "Truth trap" you can't possibly logically or Scientifically escape from.

But why does the implication of the Truth disturb so much?
Is ignorance truely a bliss?
What "Truth" please?

He he he. Just cool your horses. I do not have the time I need to do proper justice to your bunkum. Like I said, mark my post. We'll journey down this rabbit hole yet again and I don't know about you but I wouldn't want to miss it for the world grin
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 8:22am On Oct 16, 2019
XxSabrinaxX:

What "Truth" please?
The Truth is bravely facing the implication of questions asked

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Re: Who Created God? by Nobody: 8:30am On Oct 16, 2019
shadeyinka:

The Truth is bravely facing the implication of questions asked
I see no implications based on the fact that you've already admitted unwittingly that only LOGIC and not EVIDENCE can be provided for your god/first cause. And LOGIC is NOT science. Consequently, I having NOTHING to face grin grin
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 8:41am On Oct 16, 2019
shadeyinka:

Only the fearful would not be able to answer a simple direct question about their beliefs.

How do you LordReed know that the observables and concepts like logic, entropy and thermodynamics apply beyond our observable universe?

You can't manipulate me into answering your questions get that through your skull plate. If all the various answers that have come since the beginning of the thread is not enough for you then I won't oblige you any further answers.
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 8:44am On Oct 16, 2019
LordReed:


You can't manipulate me into answering your questions get that through your skull plate. If all the various answers that have come since the beginning of the thread is not enough for you then I won't oblige you any further answers.
Fear!
No problem, You can run off now

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Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 8:48am On Oct 16, 2019
XxSabrinaxX:

I see no implications based on the fact that you've already admitted unwittingly that only LOGIC and not EVIDENCE can be provided for your god/first cause. And LOGIC is NOT science. Consequently, I having NOTHING to face grin grin
If you checked well,the question has nothing to do with my views or what I believe. It is about your views concerning a simple question that has to do with evidence.

So, How do you Sabrina know that the observables and concepts like logic, entropy and thermodynamics apply beyond our observable universe?

Very simple question. It has nothing to do with logic or even science. It has everything to do with speaking the truth
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 8:50am On Oct 16, 2019
shadeyinka:

Fear!
No problem, You can run off now

LMFAO! In your dreams.
Re: Who Created God? by Nobody: 8:55am On Oct 16, 2019
shadeyinka:

If you checked well,the question has nothing to do with my views or what I believe. It is about your views concerning a simple question that has to do with evidence.

So, How do you Sabrina know that the observables and concepts like logic, entropy and thermodynamics apply beyond our observable universe?

Very simple question. It has nothing to do with logic or even science. It has everything to do with speaking the truth
My views have been made known to you 5,063 times from the beginning if you had focused on being honest instead of making up word salads and getting us stuck in this ridiculous loop: I do NOT know and I do NOT claim to know. And guess what? Neither do YOU.

Like I said, too much talk and/or epistles make me weary. Let's kill this pointless babble for now and wait for the appointed time grin.

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Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 9:09am On Oct 16, 2019
XxSabrinaxX:

My views have been made known to you 5,063 times from the beginning if you had focused on being honest instead of making up word salads and getting us stuck in this ridiculous loop: I do NOT know and I do NOT claim to know. And guess what? Neither do YOU.

Like I said, too much talk and/or epistles make me weary. Let's kill this pointless babble for now and wait for the appointed time grin.
I assume your answer to your question is:
I do NOT know and I do NOT claim to know
Do you then think it makes any sense to dispute Assertively Scientifically against that which our observables are not equipped to grapple with?

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Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 9:10am On Oct 16, 2019
XxSabrinaxX:

My views have been made known to you 5,063 times from the beginning if you had focused on being honest instead of making up word salads and getting us stuck in this ridiculous loop: I do NOT know and I do NOT claim to know. And guess what? Neither do YOU.

Like I said, too much talk and/or epistles make me weary. Let's kill this pointless babble for now and wait for the appointed time grin.

Let him keep asking questions that have been answered a 1000times already.

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Re: Who Created God? by Nobody: 9:25am On Oct 16, 2019
shadeyinka:

I assume your answer to your question is:

Do you then think it makes any sense to dispute Assertively Scientifically against that which our observables are not equipped to grapple with?
Another failed at strawmanning me. LOL. Its really painful watching you lie. Check out my last response to budaatum where I said that "anyone who can conclusively prove or disprove a cause or an eternal universe will win a Nobel Prize". Keep trying to tag me with assertions. Ko le werk grin

AGAIN, give it a rest shadeyinka. Let's do this some other time.
Re: Who Created God? by budaatum: 1:21pm On Oct 17, 2019

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