Joagbaje, if you're willing, I'd like to do an "interview" thread on you, asking various questions. Would you mind? I'd like to understand you better. Thanks.

seyibrown:

Joagbaje, will you agree that 'the exclusion of all others' is an implied term where you do not expressly tell your wife-to-be that 'I am marrying you on the condition that you will let me marry more other wives while we are still together'? Whether you get married under a rock and stay mute throughout the ceremony, children of God still have a marriage covenant that is like that of ADAM and EVE before God.

Tonye-t:

I strongly believe 'something' could be 'wrong' yet not be a 'sin'. Therefore in assertion. . .I'll say marrying more than one can be wrong even though not a sin.

Tonye-t:

How?

Jesus when asked about the validities of divorce within the law of moses said: Yes, divorce under the law should stand, but FROM THE BEGINNING it wasnt so (matt.19:8. . .), therefore one should ponder: "If marrying two wives was good by design, maybe God would have paraded another 'eve' as second wife for Adam since afterall the first Eve misbehaved (bad wife). . .goes to tell us that FROM THE BEGINNING God expects us to keep to one wife whether she turns out as good or evil 

seyibrown:


This part of your post actually brings me to Jesus saying that the only grounds for divorce was 'fornication' which many of us (me included) misinterpret as 'adultery'. Given that a married woman cannot commit fornication, there are no grounds for divorcing one's wife. Looking at the Jewish marriage customs, the man gives the wife-to-be's family any 'dowry' and he goes away for a period of time and comes back 'unannounced' to take his wife (Just like Jesus' second coming). If during the period of the groom's absence, the wife-to-be commits fornication and it becomes known after the wedding, that will be grounds to divorce her. It is similar to our waiting for the Lord, we ought to remain faithful till he comes and not fornicate with the world because he will arrive unannounced. Anything else the wife does during the marriage does not give grounds for divorce. Hosea was commanded to take his wife back despite her adultery, and God forgave and made a new covenant with Israel despite their 'adultery' with other gods.

MyJoe:

I am really interested in learning what you find "wrong" with polygamy

However, as we put that in focus I still maintain my stand. Lets see it this way

On singles and Married

Paul admonished the corinthian church on the value of marriage and still yet advised those who would/could remain singles as making a good choice if they'll remain that way. Where on earth did Paul get the ideology that remaining single is a good idea bearing in mind that FROM THE BEGINNING it wasnt so. He went on by saying that his reasons for his advise was because of the timeline of Jesus' coming and the evil days ahead (he can come up as justified. . .no problems!)

But in Genesis, the next thing after creation was the herald . . .all things are beautiful. If we take this cry as a STANDARD therefore i'll mince no word to say that the idea of one man and one woman is and should remain a STANDARD. To answer your question I'll put it like this. . .Is it good to remain a single ? my answer is no, because staying as one CAN BE wrong(according to Genesis). . .yet not a sin (according to 1corinthians 7).

On Anger

Paul admonished us - the christians, that we can "be angry, but we should not sin". Now, the quest is ----> Is anger a good thing for a spirit filled Christian? my answer is no, because the consequences of Anger CAN BE destructive (Prov.27:4). . .yet anger is not a sin in itself.

I stand to be corrected. . .cheers! 

Joagbaje:

@seyibrown

The church won't join people in polygamy, court won't join them either.Traditional marriage gives room for polygamy. Most polygamist married through traditional way. The church recognise every marriage. The bible didn't say it was a sin. Smoking is bad but it's still not a sin. That doesn't mean I will smoke. It's a bad habit. If a man gets saved with his two wives, the church has to recognise them as his wives . Not concubines.

bashy_demy:

am marrying my second wife soon

ROSSIKE:

There's no such thing as ''sin''.

Everything is relative. There are times when it's ok - even imperative - to kill, steal, tell lies, etc etc.

So there's no such thing as ''sin'' and the person who says there is is a liar.

seyibrown:

Joagbaje, Could you give me as many 'godly' reasons/motives as possible why 'spirit-filled child of God' may decide to take a second wife, and please back those reasons/motives with support from the Bible?

Quote from: ROSSIKE on Today at 07:53:05 PM
There's no such thing as ''sin''.

Everything is relative. There are times when it's ok - even imperative - to kill, steal, tell lies, etc etc.

So there's no such thing as ''sin'' and the person who says there is is a liar.

Quote from: seyibrowne

So what do you call those actions when done at a time when 'IT IS NOT OKAY' to do them?

What grade of chieftaincy title will you confer on anyone who despoils your sister, seeing as their is no sin? Will you throw a party in the perpetrator's honor, seeing as he has committed no wrong? 'Sin', sir, is 'wrong-doing', transgression of God's law, unholiness, falling short of God's standard.

seyibrown:

Joagbaje, what church do you attend? (I am not ascribing your stance to church doctrine, just need the info to get to a point!) Christ Embassy (stole a quick look at some of your posts 'NL-wide')?

seyibrown:

@joagbaje,
What would happen to Christ Embassy if Pastor Chris married a second wife? How do you think church members would regard his action and how the majority would react to to it?

God must have been the first offender for giving David several wives and Jesus came through an illegal concubine!.

Let me ask you a question, if you're a pastor , and someone comes to join your church, having 2 or 3 wives, what will do?  Send him out?  And what do you say about women who consented to their husband taking another wife for whatever reason, like sarah. Childbirth problem.  Pls respond to this.

. MARY, THE MOTHER OF JESUS WAS A DESCENDANT OF DAVID THROUGH NATHAN. Nathan was not the son of BATHSHEBA. SOLOMON was the son of Bathsheba of whose lineage Joseph is but he is only the adoptive father and not the biological. Mary was the biological parent and was not of Bathsheba's lineageThe promise to David was fulfilled through MARY. Remember the end of King Solomon?

JeSoul:

Joagbaje, thank you for the response. I'm pretty much wondering how you came to be a christian and why you remain a christian and what you think a christian is. So some of the questions may be a bit personal but if you're not comfortable sharing that publicly then I certainly understand. Thanks!

KunleOshob:

@joagbaje
Did the bible say Solomon's genealogy was cursed or you just assumed so? If it was cursed Solomon and his descendants would never have been King over Israel and Judah. Solomon's elder brother who was conceived in adultery is the one who can be said to be cursed and God already punished David for it by taking the boy's life. There is no biblical record of curse or punishment after the boy died. If anything at all God blessed the union of David a Basheba by blessing them with more sons and choosing David's successor[Solomon] from amongst their sons. 

Image123:

I'm just passing by and almost getting the nausea.
To set the records straight, Abraham was not a polygamist, neither do i think Moses a polygamist,

and Solomon was not an illegal child or a concubine's. Plus a man can commit the sin of adultery just as a woman can.