This thread is to clear the air about the topic on front page tiled "Fornication is not sleeping with who you are not married to..." as you can check from the below link.

https://www.nairaland.com/5191658/fornication-not-just-sleeping-someone

From the thread, it's evident that the @OP made valid point, I only disagree with him where he said "Watching Pornography is secondary fornication"

Watching pornography isn't secondary fornication but fornication in every ramifications.

How? You may ask!

This simply means the GREEK word translated as fornication in the scripture is "porneia" and critically looking at this word, you'll probably see the tone in word like porn/pornography. This is to tell you that the people behind the creation of porn/pornography know exactly the message they are passing across.

That being said....

The main purpose of this thread is to address the misconception people are having about FORNICATION being attached to only people OUTSIDE THE MARRIAGE to distort the truth of the scripture as it can be seen from the comments on the thread.

Firstly, I understand that whenever people are talking about fornication outside marriage is to eliminate any sexual relationship attached to BF/GF as commonly called today. This has sideline the married ones making it seems it wasn't applied to them either.

Secondly, sorry to burst your bubble, fornication isn't just about having sexual relationship outside marriage but having sexual relationship all around be you married or not.

This is because the Strong's Greek Dictionary defines "Porneia" as:

Harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry:--fornication

so stop saying fornication is done OUTSIDE MARRIAGE...

Now the main issue is, should two people who have not married be sleeping with each other?

I know this is where people do disagree mostly with each other but I'll try to address this in the light of the scripture.

This can be seen from that thread especially with @paxonel which he got some points right thou not be able to pass it across very well but he misapplied 1 Corinthian 5:1 by saying "fornication is sleeping with someone's father wife or vise versa" sorry that's not the right interpretation of that verse.

Back to the main point.....

Thirdly, whenever the issue of unmarried people (BF/GF) sleeping with each other arises, people try to separate it:

1) The committed ones (who are serious and decided to marry each other)
2) Uncommitted ones (never have marriage in view but just doing it either for fun or for any reason)

I won't dwell much on the "Uncommitted ones" because outrightly everyone seems to agree that they are fornicating.

What of the "Committed ones"?

Anyhow we look at it, no how two people will eventually marry without coming together as friends FIRST the time span/frame might be different (<1yr, 1yr, 2yrs, 3yrs e.t.c) and you can called it any name you like be it BF/GF, courtship, dating e.t.c the point is, at this level were they permitted to be sleeping with each other?

Fourthly, to answer this question, I'll FIRST say, no separation as committed or uncommitted ones in the scripture likewise do scripture openly speak over the issue. Thou some people have misapplied some certain verses to this situation.

Such scripture are 1 Corinthian 7:1-2, 9; Heb 13:4
These two scriptures were strictly addressing the issue of marriage not before/outside marriage.

Take for instance 1 Corinthian 7:1 which is commonly used "...It is good for a man not to touch a woman ....Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband"

From here, having the understanding of what fornication is from the beginning of this thread, you can grab the point but what gets most people confuse is the @underlined where it said "...to TOUCH A WOMAN" so to them, it means not to sleep with her, whereas, this isn't about that.

At least most scholars I know never interpret this to mean unmarried people not to sleep with each other (Note: I'm not supporting unmarried people sleeping with each other but interpreting the scripture the right way) but the question is about whether a man should marry.

Adam Clarke put it this way: "Is it proper for a man to marry in the present circumstances of the church?"

Barnes said this: "Another question which, it seems, had arisen among them was, whether it was proper to continue in the married state in the existing condition of the church"

Family Bible Notes says: "Not to touch a woman; not to be married?"

Jamieson Brown say: "The Corinthians in their letter had probably asked questions which tended to disparage marriage, and had implied that it was better to break it off when contracted with the unbeliever"

And many more......
Likewise if you read their submission about Heb 13:4 it's all about marriage not OUTSIDE MARRIAGE....

BBE: "Let married life be honoured among all of you and not made unclean, for men untrue in married life will be judged by God"

RSV "Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefile; for God will judge the immoral and adulterous"

The word "Immoral" used RSV is what KJV used as "whoremongers" and the Greek word translated was "PORNOS"

Lastly, should the so committed ones be sleeping with each other? Well, the answer can't be outrightly YES or NO with scripture. Thou the scripture always admonishes us to keep our body holy and our body is the temple of God also no one can applied this to unmarried people only.

The point I'm driving at is that some people have neglected the key point of those verses by making it seems they were solely applied to unmarried ones, leaving marriage ones to think they're not fornicating when they were seriously addressing the issue of marriage.

That's why most people keep replacing the word fornication with BF/GF.....

May God help us all!

Emusan:
This thread is to clear the air about the topic on front page tiled "Fornication is not sleeping with who you are not married to..." as you can check from the below link.

https://www.nairaland.com/5191658/fornication-not-just-sleeping-someone

From the thread, it's evident that the @OP made valid point, I only disagree with him where he said "Watching Pornography is secondary fornication"

Watching pornography isn't secondary fornication but fornication in every ramifications.

How? You may ask!

This simply means the GREEK word translated as fornication in the scripture is "porneia" and critically looking at this word, you'll probably see the tone in word like porn/pornography. This is to tell you that the people behind the creation of porn/pornography know exactly the message they are passing across.

That being said....

The main purpose of this thread is to address the misconception people are having about FORNICATION being attached to only people OUTSIDE THE MARRIAGE to distort the truth of the scripture as it can be seen from the comments on the thread.

Firstly, I understand that whenever people are talking about fornication outside marriage is to eliminate any sexual relationship attached to BF/GF as commonly called today. This has sideline the married ones making it seems it wasn't applied to them either.

Secondly, sorry to burst your bubble, fornication isn't just about having sexual relationship outside marriage but having sexual relationship all around be you married or not.

This is because the Strong's Greek Dictionary defines "Porneia" as:

Harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry:--fornication

so stop saying fornication is done OUTSIDE MARRIAGE...

Now the main issue is, should two people who have not married be sleeping with each other?

I know this is where people do disagree mostly with each other but I'll try to address this in the light of the scripture.

This can be seen from that thread especially with @paxonel which he got some points right thou not be able to pass it across very well but he misapplied 1 Corinthian 5:1 by saying "fornication is sleeping with someone's father wife or vise versa" sorry that's not the right interpretation of that verse.

Back to the main point.....

Thirdly, whenever the issue of unmarried people (BF/GF) sleeping with each other arises, people try to separate it:

1) The committed ones (who are serious and decided to marry each other)
2) Uncommitted ones (never have marriage in view but just doing it either for fun or for any reason)

I won't dwell much on the "Uncommitted ones" because outrightly everyone seems to agree that they are fornicating.

What of the "Committed ones"?

Anyhow we look at it, no how two people will eventually marry without coming together as friends FIRST the time span/frame might be different (<1yr, 1yr, 2yrs, 3yrs e.t.c) and you can called it any name you like be it BF/GF, courtship, dating e.t.c the point is, at this level were they permitted to be sleeping with each other?

Fourthly, to answer this question, I'll FIRST say, no separation as committed or uncommitted ones in the scripture likewise do scripture openly speak over the issue. Thou some people have misapplied some certain verses to this situation.

Such scripture are 1 Corinthian 7:1-2, 9; Heb 13:4
These two scriptures were strictly addressing the issue of marriage not before/outside marriage.

Take for instance 1 Corinthian 7:1 which is commonly used "...It is good for a man not to touch a woman ....Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband"

From here, having the understanding of what fornication is from the beginning of this thread, you can grab the point but what gets most people confuse is the @underlined where it said "...to TOUCH A WOMAN" so to them, it means not to sleep with her, whereas, this isn't about that.

At least most scholars I know never interpret this to mean unmarried people not to sleep with each other (Note: I'm not supporting unmarried people sleeping with each other but interpreting the scripture the right way) but the question is about whether a man should marry.

Adam Clarke put it this way: "Is it proper for a man to marry in the present circumstances of the church?"

Barnes said this: "Another question which, it seems, had arisen among them was, whether it was proper to continue in the married state in the existing condition of the church"

Family Bible Notes says: "Not to touch a woman; not to be married?"

Jamieson Brown say: "The Corinthians in their letter had probably asked questions which tended to disparage marriage, and had implied that it was better to break it off when contracted with the unbeliever"

And many more......
Likewise if you read their submission about Heb 13:4 it's all about marriage not OUTSIDE MARRIAGE....

BBE: "Let married life be honoured among all of you and not made unclean, for men untrue in married life will be judged by God"

RSV "Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefile; for God will judge the immoral and adulterous"

The word "Immoral" used RSV is what KJV used as "whoremongers" and the Greek word translated was "PORNOS"

Lastly, should the so committed ones be sleeping with each other? Well, the answer can't be outrightly YES or NO with scripture. Thou the scripture always admonishes us to keep our body holy and our body is the temple of God also no one can applied this to unmarried people only.

The point I'm driving at is that some people have neglected the key point of those verses by making it seems they were solely applied to unmarried ones, leaving marriage ones to think they're not fornicating when they were seriously addressing the issue of marriage.

That's why most people keep replacing the word fornication with BF/GF.....

May God help us all!

you have spoken well my brother.
But i want you look at this scripture again let's reason it together.

1 Corinthians 5:1(KJV) It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

Now, looking at the scripture, Paul specifically mentioned fornication, as if that is not enough he defined what someone did that he is calling fornication, that the person was sleeping with his father's wife.

Is there anything more straight-forward than that?

I also noticed that though the word fornication is mentioned countless times in several verses of the bible it is only 1 Corinthians 5:1 that defined fornication in details that it means one sleeping with his father's wife. All other scriptures will say for example,
Flee fornication,
To avoid fornication let every man marry his wife and so on.
But non of these scriptures mentioning fornication has defined what fornication is, only 1Corinthians 5:1 did.

I'm a student of the bible,
You are a student too,
Let's leave sentiment of what we have believed previously aside about what we think fornication is.
Let's face 1 Corinthians 5:1 and analyse it squarely the way we see it.

What is your take?

paxonel:
you have spoken well my brother.
But i want you look at this scripture again let's reason it together.

1 Corinthians 5:1(KJV) It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

Now, looking at the scripture, Paul specifically mentioned fornication, as if that is not enough he defined what someone did that he is calling fornication, that the person was sleeping with his father's wife.

Is there anything more straight-forward than that?

I also noticed that though the word fornication is mentioned countless times in several verses of the bible it is only 1 Corinthians 5:1 that defined fornication in details that it means one sleeping with his father's wife. All other scriptures will say for example,
Flee fornication,
To avoid fornication let every man marry his wife and so on.
But non of these scriptures mentioning fornication has defined what fornication is, only 1Corinthians 5:1 did.

I'm a student of the bible,
You are a student too,
Let's leave sentiment of what we have believed previously aside about what we think fornication is.
Let's face 1 Corinthians 5:1 and analyse it squarely the way we see it.

What is your take?

Your point doesn't need long narration.....

The simple answer to your it is, sleeping with one's father's wife is also fornication but that's not ONLY THING FORNICATION means in the scripture.

If you object to this, I'll go ahead to present the details by citing different scholars view on the subject matter.
As I

Emusan:



Your point doesn't need long narration.....

The simple answer to your it is, sleeping with one's father's wife is also fornication but that's not ONLY THING FORNICATION means in the scripture.

If you object to this, I'll go ahead to present the details by citing different scholars view on the subject matter.
As I

go ahead, I'm reading.
Only that the scholars you are deploying have their views backed by scriptures.

paxonel:
go ahead, I'm reading.
Only that the scholars you are deploying have their views backed by scriptures.

They are all students of the scripture, that's why it's good to STUDY the scripture in addition with different scholars' materials too.

What is your take on your God impregnating another man's wife...

Is it not fornication or adultery..?

Emusan:


They are all students of the scripture, that's why it's good to STUDY the scripture in addition with different scholars' materials too.

alright! I will like to get a glimpse of one of their material, can you please post it

paxonel:
alright! I will like to get a glimpse of one of their material, can you please post it

You can go to www.biblehub.com to read about their materials (Commentaries).

Emusan:


You can go to www.biblehub.com to read about their materials (Commentaries).

ok

paxonel:
you have spoken well my brother.
But i want you look at this scripture again let's reason it together.

1 Corinthians 5:1(KJV) It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

Now, looking at the scripture, Paul specifically mentioned fornication, as if that is not enough he defined what someone did that he is calling fornication, that the person was sleeping with his father's wife.

Is there anything more straight-forward than that?

I also noticed that though the word fornication is mentioned countless times in several verses of the bible it is only 1 Corinthians 5:1 that defined fornication in details that it means one sleeping with his father's wife. All other scriptures will say for example,
Flee fornication,
To avoid fornication let every man marry his wife and so on.
But non of these scriptures mentioning fornication has defined what fornication is, only 1Corinthians 5:1 did.

I'm a student of the bible,
You are a student too,
Let's leave sentiment of what we have believed previously aside about what we think fornication is.
Let's face 1 Corinthians 5:1 and analyse it squarely the way we see it.

What is your take?

Brother this is not an issue. He said 'it is reported that there is fornication among you and [/b]such fornication[b] as is not named among gentiles. Its clear there r fornicating but their own na special . Even the gentiles sef r not doing it which is sleeping with the fathers wife. It's like saying Nigerian politicians are thieves but their theifiery is such that is not mentioned in other corrupt countries where the politicians steal even from the institutions and not just the masses.

See it's only saying their fornication is worse but not defining fornication. Pls let's read with understanding

sonmvayina:
What is your take on your God impregnating another man's wife...

Is it not fornication or adultery..?

And where did you read that God impregnated another man's wife?

gobuchinny:

See it's only saying their fornication is worse but not defining fornication. Pls let's read with understanding

ok, the scripture did not define fornication but it is saying their fornication is sleeping with father's wife abi?
Atleast Paul has defined what they did, that a man slept with his father's wife and said that is the fornication they committed which is something worst than the suppose light form of fornication seen among the gentiles but
he did not mention or even define it, therefore me and you reading bible today cannot possibly know about that kind of fornication among the gentiles because he didn't mention it, so how come do we know that the light fornication among gentiles is sex among unmarried people?
is it that we have seen it like that in another scripture or we take it and believe it so because churches are teaching so today?


Can you please mention one scripture that defined fornication as sex among unmarried persons as every Christians today are believing it to be.

Just one

sonmvayina:
What is your take on your God impregnating another man's wife...

Is it not fornication or adultery..?

May God have mercy on you.... Repent today and accept Jesus Christ else this heresies you speak will stand against you in judgement

One funny thing with pornography is that while you might not be directly involved in the act of fornication, you are indirectly aiding and abetting it.
This is cos your followership and viewership of it help to fund it hence encouraging the entire act where two adults fornicate on live camera in disguise of adult entertainment
Not forgetting aiding and abetting also implies committing the same offence
This is not actually to judge those involved.... seriously most can't help themselves
But then they have a choice to say no and the grace of God from walking in the spirit will help them overcome
Peace

harrwix:


May God have mercy on you.... Repent today and accept Jesus Christ else this heresies you speak will stand against you in judgement

How does that answer my question?.did God ever say he was going to impregnate another man's wife?.. You see how much the writers of the gospel insulted God?

Emusan:


And where did you read that God impregnated another man's wife?

Is Mary not Joseph's wife.. Or was she God's girl friend?...