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Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by scully95: 5:36pm On Oct 15, 2019
Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus Step In

By Aram Mirzaei

Even though I have my doubts over whether Washington will actually withdraw from Syria fully, it seems as if their Kurdish proxies in northern Syria have been left to defend for themselves against the ongoing Turkish offensive. I can’t say I’m surprised since Washington has done this to their Kurdish “partners” many times before, yet the Kurdish leadership across Iraq and Syria have failed to learn from history yet again.

Once more, the Kurdish leadership have been proven to have put their faith in the wrong allies. When Moscow stepped into the Syrian war four years ago, Moscow gave the YPG the same offer that Assad had given before: reconcile with Damascus and join forces against terrorism. They refused. Moscow tried again by offering them to set up a consulate in Moscow, inviting them to peace talks in Astana and offering them safety from Turkish attacks, if they agreed to a deal with Damascus, one that respects Syria’s territorial integrity. Moscow even offered talks on a guarantee for future Kurdish participation in Syrian politics. They refused once again, with a spokesperson for the YPG explaining that Washington does not allow them to talk to Moscow. Such was the nature of the US-Kurdish “alliance”.

When the so called “Islamic State” terrorist group was about to collapse in 2017, the US backed “Syrian Democratic Forces”, of which YPG is part of, was quick to grab as much land as possible. Then came the threats against Damascus and the Syrian Army, to back off from entering the eastern shores of the Euphrates. Fortunately, Moscow, Tehran and Damascus saw Washington’s moves early on as they managed to capture the imperative city of Albukamal, located exactly at the Syrian-Iraqi border, before Washington could. In capturing this city, Damascus and Baghdad have been able to re-open the Tehran-Damascus highway stretching from Iran, through Iraq and into Syria, connecting the three countries and enabling the transportation of supplies from Iran to Syria.

The SDF managed to secure many of Syria’s oil fields in their push to capture the eastern parts of the Deir Ezzor province. Having grabbed such a large part of Syria, the Kurdish leadership felt safe with US forces backing them against Damascus.

This stance didn’t seem to change when Turkish forces together with their proxy jihadists launched the Afrin offensive. US forces did nothing to protect their Kurdish vassals from harm as Turkish forces easily captured the entire Afrin Canton within weeks. The Kurdish leadership was offered a deal with Damascus in which control over the Afrin area would be handed over to the Syrian Army before Turkish forces could capture it. Alas this suggestion was refused by the stubborn Kurdish leadership who would rather let Ankara and the Jihadists capture that area.

So 18 months later, the US has seemingly withdrawn and abandoned the Kurdish-led militias to fend for themselves against Ankara and a hostile Damascus. Not so surprising considering Washington’s track record. The Turkish Army and its proxies launched their offensive on Wednesday and quickly announced gains that same day. Since then, several towns along with the border city of Tal Abyad have fallen into Turkish hands as reports have emerged that imprisoned ISIS militants have escaped from their prisons as a result of Turkish bombardments of several prisons in the Hasakah province.

The offensive has caught an enormous amount of media attention, as the Kurds have for long been the Western Media darlings, capturing many people’s hearts with footage of young armed women battling the perverted terrorist forces of the “Islamic State”.

Washington and the European vassals have all howled and voiced their “concerns” over Turkey’s offensive. Some have called for resolutions and embargoes on Turkey for “violating international law” and “endangering the region”. What a joke! Look at the people expressing their “concern”: Hillary Clinton, Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley. These are some of the people that are concerned that Turkey is “endangering the region”.

Now when Twitter is being filled with videos of executed Kurdish fighters, these people recognize the same “FSA” militants that they used to cheer for to execute Syrian soldiers, for what they are, barbarian scum.

Just a few days after the commencement of the offensive, Kurdish officials began contemplating the idea of turning to Moscow and Damascus for help, but not before asking Washington one last time to confirm their betrayal. SDF General Mazloum Kobani openly indicated in an interview with CNN that dealing with Moscow and Damascus is an option if the US fails to protect the Kurds from Turkey. “I need to know if you are capable of protecting my people, of stopping these bombs falling on us or not. I need to know, because if you’re not, I need to make a deal with Russia and the regime now and invite their planes to protect this region”, Kobani said.

What a sad statement. He needs a receipt of Washington’s betrayal, as if it was a surprise when he and his colleagues have been warned for years about Washington’s treacherous nature. Reports have previously suggested the amassing of Syrian Army forces near Manbij in the Aleppo province, with the aim of entering and taking over the area. The same has been said about Hasakah and Qamishli in the northeastern parts of the country. If true, then this would create a situation similar to the one two years ago when the Islamic State was collapsing. As mentioned before, back in 2017, as the Islamic State was collapsing, the SAA and the US-backed SDF were racing to capture as much territory as possible. This resulted in the Euphrates turning into a demarcation line between SAA and SDF controlled territory, a line that has been in place since 2017. Now, it seems as if a new race is on, as the Syrian Army is racing against time, with the jihadists rapidly advancing and are inching closer to Raqqa city.

If the Kurdish militias are willing to cooperate, then Damascus must be harsh in its demands. The Kurdish militias must hand over their weapons and the territory they’re occupying if they want to have any chance of surviving the Turkish-led onslaught. But they need to act quickly, time is running out for the Kurdish militiamen.

Will the Kurds choose poorly again?
http://ooduarere.com/news-from-nigeria/world-news/washington-kurdish-proxies-temporary-puppets/

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Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by CTPlayer: 9:46pm On Oct 15, 2019
USA has no business fighting in the Syrian war or with Turkey (a NATO member). Turkey's move into Syria is on them.
The troops the USA had in Syria was largely advisory and there only to kill ISIS. Also the USA has no legal permission to be
in Syria.
Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by Appleyard(m): 3:13am On Oct 16, 2019
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The fly that has no one to advise him will always follow the corpse into the grave, and that is exactly what has happened to the Kurds. Now let them learn the bitter way from their folly.

As much as I hate to say it, I must admit that Turkey gamed the situation perfectly. The S-400 deal with Russia wasn't just to get back at the EU for not allowing Ankara to join the Zengen Immigration zone, nor to antagonize the US for failing to extredite Fetulah Gulan.

While the deal was undoubtedly part of the fact that Turkish intelligence were aware of the S-400 capabilities in Syria in tracking all US planes including the F22 Raptor, a major reason why Turkey chose to move closer to Russia is for strategic situations of this nature.

They knew the moment would come when they will tow this line, and if there is going to be any obstacle, it would definitely come from Russia. Thus, it is only right to make the enemy of your enemy your friend.

One have to say Erdogan played this one well. By forging closer ties with Russia, Turkey has already cleared the road for a successful operation, knowing the US and NATO can do nothing other than rant and bark like toothless bulldogs.

All those talks of sanctions against Turkish officials would only end up satisfying news headlines for a few days, perhaps with some little names of Turkish officials getting banned from this and that. Nothing more.

The fact is, a full scale economic sanction war on Turkey would damage the country's economy, but strategically, the loser will be the United States of Anarchy and NATO in general.

Erdogan only need to close the Icirlik Airbase and ask the US to move its nuclear weapons stationed there. Worst still, emperor Erdogan can even decide to commandeer the nukes and give the States the middle finger. cool. But then all hell will break los lol.

The thought of closing the Bosphorus against US and NATO war ships and subs is enough to cause unease in Washington and Brussels. They probably understand this as such that, despite the introduction of sanctions, VP Pence and the SG Pompeo will be heading to Ankara for frantic talks with Erdogan on Wednesday.

How Erdogan must be counting his blessings now.cool

As for the Kurds, they got it all coming.

When you dine with the devil and refuse to plan for the future, you have already planned to fail from the beginning.

The Kurds leadership are so corrupt, feeding fat from the oil fields they captured as such that they forget to make a backed up plan. They were not ready to compromise and plan for the future. Rather, they choose to put their trust in an ally that was never a true ally to begin with.

While it is not too late now, it is clear that they have lost the negotiating power and can no longer negotiate from a position of strength. So even if they some how manage to get Assad and Russia to their side to put an end to the Turkish onslaught, it still would be a lose-lose situation for them. Very pathetic.

As for Russia, the current situation gives the Kremlin the pleasure to watch two NATO allies going against one another. Also, it enables Russia to forge better relatons with Turkey on different sectors of the economic while tossing out the US from Syria without doing anything in the actual sense, except by rushing to occupy abandoned territories that were once in US and YPG control. Russia is master of the geopolitical game.cool.

But the biggest gainer is Assad. cool

For the last few years, the Syrian Army has been stretched thin due to fighting on multiple fronts. But the continuous Russian and Iranian support has led to large successes as such that they are now able to mass up forces and concentrate their attack on a single area without fearing they will loose others which were less guided previously.

Now that Turkey is bombing the Kurds, the Syrians have lesser work to do in claiming back some territories heard in that area.

Already, Assad forces backed by Russian airpower has captured the city of Manbij, which was previously under the YPG and US forces control.

Another town is being captured by Assad forces as well, and this will continue until it is all quite in the frontiers.

It is left to see what will happen afterwards if Turkey decide to stop the hostilities or US make do its threat of killing the Turkish economy.

I am waiting while glancing at Alois Irlmaier's prophecy.

What a game of chess and checks.

cool

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Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by Nobody: 6:34am On Oct 16, 2019
Appleyard:
The fly that has no one to advise him will always follow the corpse into the grave, and that is exactly what has happened to the Kurds. Now let them learn the bitter way from their folly.

As much as I hate to say it, I must admit that Turkey games the situation perfectly. The S-400 deal with Russia wasn't just to get back at the EU for not allowing Ankara to join the Zengen Immigration zone.

While it was undoubtedly part of the fact that Turkish intelligence were aware of the S-400 capabilities in Syria in tracking all US planes including the F22 Raptor, a major reason why Turkey chose to move closer to Russia is for strategic reasons of this nature. They knew the moment would come when they will tow this line, and if there is going to be any obstacle, it would definitely come from Russia.

One have to say Erdogan played this well. By forging closer ties with Russia, Turkey has already launched and achieved a successful mission. All those talks of sanctions against Turkish officials would only end up satisfying news headlines for a few days, perhaps with some little names of Turkish officials getting banned from this and that. Nothing more.

The fact is, a full scale economic war on Turkey would damage the country's economy, but strategically, the loser will be the United States Anarchy and NATO in general. Erdogan only need to close the Icirlik Airbase and ask the US to move its nuclear weapons stationed there. Worst still, emperor Erdogan can even did come we to commandeer the nukes and give the States the middle finger. cool.

The thought of closing the Bosphorus against US and NATO war ships and subs is enough to cause unease in Washington and Brussels. They probably understand this as such that, despite the introduction of Sanctions, Pense and the SG will be heading to Ankara for frantic talks with Erdogan.

How Erdogan must be counting his blessings now. As for the Kurds, they got all coming. When you dine with the devil and refuse to plan for the future, you have already planned to fail for on the beginning.

The Kurds leadership are corrupt, feeding fat from the oil fields they captured. Hence they were not ready to compromise and plan for the future. Rather, they choose to put their trust in an allyvthat was never a true ally to begin with.

While it is not too late now, it is clear that they have lost the negotiating power and can no longer negotiate from a position of strength. So even if they some how manage to get Assad and Russia to their side to put an end to yje Turkish onslaught, itvl still would be a lose-lose situation for them. Very pathetic.

As for Russia, the current situation gives the Kremlin the pleasure to watch two NATO allies going against one another. Also, it enables Russia to forge better relatons with Turkey on different sectors of the economic.

But the biggest gainers is Assad. cool

For the last few years, the Syrian Army has been stretched thin due to fighting on multiple fronts. But the continuous Russian and Iranian support has led to large successes as such that they are now able to mass up forces and concentrate their attack on a single area without fearing they will looks others which were less guided previously.

Now that Turkey is bombing the Kurds, the Syrians have lesser work to do in claiming back some territories heard in that area.

Already, Assad forces backed by Russian airpower has captured the city of Manbij, which was previously under the YPG and US forces control.

Another town is being captured by Assad forces as well, and this will continue until it is all quite in the frontiers.

It is left to see what will happen afterwards if Turkey decide to stop the hostilities or US make do utavthrwat of killing the Turkish economy.

I am waiting while glancing at Alois Irlmaier's prophecy.

cool

Na WWIII be dat na shocked Tufiakwa

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Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by Appleyard(m): 10:06am On Oct 16, 2019
kemicalreaction:
Na WWIII be dat na shocked Tufiakwa

Of course, we hope it doesn't get to that point. But given the unpredictable nature of events in the MidEast and the Med, anything is possible, especially when you have two stubborn goats - Sultan Erdogan and Twitter warlord Trump - on the oppossing end of the geopolitical spectrum.

Besides, things will get even out of hand if Turkish and Syrian forces started shooting at each other.

Though Russia has vowed to prevent such from happening, if it does happen, it could lead to further escalation in the region. In fact, it would put NATO and Russia in difficult positions in that, while most European nations are currently kicking against Turkey for the ongoing invasion, it is still a NATO member, and that would put NATO's Article 5 to the litmus test, especially if Iran get deeply involved in providing more ground troops and weaponry for Syria, and Ankara starts taking serious hits deep into Turkey.

On the other hand, should there be a serious engagement and Syrian forces are taking serious beating, Russia which is tied by law to protect Syria will either have to act by taking out Turkish planes and jamming their communications, which means losing all economic ties with Turkey, or sit confused on the fence and loose everything they have worked for since 2014.

Believe me: if there is any place in the world capable of causing World War 3 now than ever, it is Syria.

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Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by Nobody: 10:33am On Oct 16, 2019
Appleyard:


Of course, we hope it doesn't get to that point. But given the unpredictable nature of events in the MidEast and the Med, anything is possible, especially when you have two stubborn goats - Sultan Erdogan and Twitter warlord Trump - on the oppossing end of the geopolitical spectrum.

Besides, things will get even out of hand if Turkish and Syrian forces started shooting at each other.

Though Russia has vowed to prevent such from happening, if it does happen, it could lead to further escalation in the region. In fact, it would put NATO and Russia in difficult positions in that, while most European nations are currently kicking against Turkey for the ongoing invasion, it is still a NATO member, and that would put NATO's Article 5 to the litmus test, especially if Iran get deeply involved in providing more ground troops and weaponry for Syria, and Ankara starts taking serious hits deep into Turkey.

On the other hand, should there be a serious engagement and Syrian forces are taking serious beating, Russia which is tied by law to protect Syria will either have to act by taking out Turkish planes and jamming their communications, which means losing all economic ties with Turkey, or sit confused on the fence and loose everything they have worked for since 2014.

Believe me: if there is any place in the world capable of causing World War 3 now than ever, it is Syria.

Great Analysis, I pray it doesn't turn to that embarassed

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Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by scully95: 12:53pm On Oct 16, 2019
CTPlayer:
USA has no business fighting in the Syrian war or with Turkey (a NATO member). Turkey's move into Syria is on them.
The troops the USA had in Syria was largely advisory and there only to kill ISIS. Also the USA has no legal permission to be
in Syria.

Huh!
You dont break the rules just because you want to enforce the rule.
U.S.A failed its second phase of its agenda (ASSAD mUST go).

JOhn Kerry revealed they will proceed to second phase which is to split Syria into parts. (SDF)
Now that has also failed, what next
Pls nah..
THE ISIS were killed by Russian-Syrian arab army.
The same ISIS are also embeded in Turkish backed troops.
Now that U.S troops is leavig the area.. Turkey should get ready to face Syrian AA and SDF.. SDF got not choice except to rejoin SYria..
Assad wins either ways

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Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by CTPlayer: 1:10pm On Oct 16, 2019
scully95:


Huh!
You dont break the rules just because you want to enforce the rule.
U.S.A failed its second phase of its agenda (ASSAD mUST go).

JOhn Kerry revealed they will proceed to second phase which is to split Syria into parts. (SDF)
Now that has also failed, what next
Pls nah..
THE ISIS were killed by Russian-Syrian arab army.
The same ISIS are also embeded in Turkish backed troops.
Now that U.S troops is leavig the area.. Turkey should get ready to face Syrian AA and SDF.. SDF got not choice except to rejoin SYria..
Assad wins either ways


John Kerry does not work for the US Government anymore. US forces were mainly advisory, working with Kurds to kill ISIS.
US military has not engaged in the Syrian war. Maybe Obama/Hillary thought Assad "has to go" but they didn't do much about it.
Seems Trump could care less who is in charge of Syria, same for 99.99% of Americans.
Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by Nobody: 5:36pm On Oct 16, 2019
CTPlayer:


John Kerry does not work for the US Government anymore. US forces were mainly advisory, working with Kurds to kill ISIS.
US military has not engaged in the Syrian war. Maybe Obama/Hillary thought Assad "has to go" but they didn't do much about it.
Seems Trump could care less who is in charge of Syria, same for 99.99% of Americans.
shocked

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Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by sunboy(m): 7:34am On Oct 17, 2019
CTPlayer:
USA has no business fighting in the Syrian war or with Turkey (a NATO member). Turkey's move into Syria is on them.
The troops the USA had in Syria was largely advisory and there only to kill ISIS. Also the USA has no legal permission to be
in Syria.

The same way we’ve got not business in Saudi Arabia too

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Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by Appleyard(m): 7:37am On Oct 17, 2019
kemicalreaction:
Great Analysis, I pray it doesn't turn to that embarassed

Yes. Any human being that meant well for the world would hope so and start praying now that Assad and Erdogan shouldn't start a shooting match.

But the prospect aren't looking good at all.

Erdogan has vowed that it won't stop until it create the safe zone it wanted in Syria. Meanwhile, Syrian forces are advancing toward the line of contact on multiple fronts. It is now more than likely that there would be clashes. I hope Russia prevents it by every means as they promised. Russian security police are already patrolling some of the line of contacts.
Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by sunboy(m): 7:39am On Oct 17, 2019
CTPlayer:


John Kerry does not work for the US Government anymore. US forces were mainly advisory, working with Kurds to kill ISIS.
US military has not engaged in the Syrian war. Maybe Obama/Hillary thought Assad "has to go" but they didn't do much about it.
Seems Trump could care less who is in charge of Syria, same for 99.99% of Americans.

Well 99.99% of Americans ... I don’t know where you get that statistics from but majority still don’t understand why Americans are sent to Saudi too

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Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by kophschmerzenii: 7:45am On Oct 17, 2019
Appleyard:


Yes. Any human being that meant well for the world would hope so and start praying now that Assad and Erdogan shouldn't start a shooting match.

But the prospect aren't looking good at all.

Erdogan has vowed that it won't stop until it create the safe zone it wanted in Syria. Meanwhile, Syrian forces are advancing toward the line of contact on multiple fronts. It is now more than likely that there would be clashes. I hope Russia prevents it by every means as they promised. Russian security police are already patrolling some of the line of contacts.

Hey you loser, the major reason you shill for Trump is to be the lifetime bittch of your lord and personal savior Putin. Guess what doorknob, Americans are voting out that loser and getting our country back from that mooron and his BFF in moscow.
Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by Appleyard(m): 7:54am On Oct 17, 2019
CTPlayer:


John Kerry does not work for the US Government anymore. US forces were mainly advisory, working with Kurds to kill ISIS.
US military has not engaged in the Syrian war. Maybe Obama/Hillary thought Assad "has to go" but they didn't do much about it.
Seems Trump could care less who is in charge of Syria, same for 99.99% of Americans.

It was US policy to disrupt and divide Syria. Uncle Sam was never in Syria to fight ISIS. The Kurds were just a means to an end, but the designated endgame failed largely due to overwhelming Russian and Iranian support for The Assad regime. The emergence of Trump finally decimated that endgame, and for the first time saw the US ACTUALLY target and bombed an already out-of-steam units of Isis in Manbij and few other places. That is one of the primary reasons the establishment hate him so much. They tried everything to stop him from pulling out until now. Turkey gave him that perfect excuse. Trump may seem erratic but he is very cunning. cool

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Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by Appleyard(m): 8:02am On Oct 17, 2019
kophschmerzenii:


Hey you loser, the major reason you shill for Trump is to be the lifetime bittch of your lord and personal savior Putin. Guess what doorknob, Americans are voting out that loser and getting our country back from that mooron and his BFF in moscow.

grin My friend, can't someone state the obvious anymore? How is Trump the lifetime puppet of Putin?

Oh, you have switched to "voting" not "impeachment" anymore? cool You dems can be very funny at times.

Anyway, let's wait till 2020. The cosmic always knows best.cool

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Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by Appleyard(m): 8:04am On Oct 17, 2019
sunboy:


Well 99.99% of Americans ... I don’t know where you get that statistics from but majority still don’t understand why Americans are sent to Saudi too
Gbam!
Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by seunny4lif(m): 11:59am On Oct 17, 2019
Nothing will stop Trump from winning the next election
Most Americans still loves Trump because he will be bring the troops back home. Same thing Obama did to win the hearts of Americans for second term.
Forget the Medias, They supported Clinton and organized many concerts for Harry Clinton but yet failed because all Americans choose Trump not EU or Asia.
Trump is America President not World President
Trump knew Assad has won the war
Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by CTPlayer: 6:03pm On Oct 17, 2019
sunboy:


The same way we’ve got not business in Saudi Arabia too

Of course it is OK for USA to be in SA. There by invitation and written agreements, like many many other countries.
Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by CTPlayer: 6:05pm On Oct 17, 2019
sunboy:


Well 99.99% of Americans ... I don’t know where you get that statistics from but majority still don’t understand why Americans are sent to Saudi too
There by invitation of the government of SA.
Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by sunboy(m): 10:01pm On Oct 17, 2019
CTPlayer:


Of course it is OK for USA to be in SA. There by invitation and written agreements, like many many other countries.

You still miss the point sir. Trump said “we are bringing our troops back home, no more endless wars in the Middle East” then only to return 2000+ soldiers to Saudi because they paid

When did the US military became a mercenary organization that’s being paid to fight wars for other countries ? Saudi is not even in the NATO alliance ooo

Since Kurds did not paid we have every right to be out of there... there by escalating the ISIS level again, and even telling the press that they can only escape to Europe... please tell me what would stop them from coming to the US??

This is the same Saudi that butchered a US Based journalist in cold blooded! The same Saudi whose citizen dominated 70% of the 9/11 terrorist!!

Remember, Saudis have the 3rd largest military spendings in the world. They are well equipped and trained, why won’t they put the lives of their soldiers in the line to protect their own territory.

See you cannot decide to pull soldiers out of Middle East because in your election campaign you promised to bring the soldiers home, only to send them to another country in the same Middle East... really

How much more can I spell this out for you sir ?

Okay, if you want to talk about the oil price rising ? It’s a win for the US if Saudi and Iran decided to go to war and Oil price rise... the US is currently the world largest producer of oil and the cost of producing the same oil is even expensive that the producers can compete favorably with the international market price. If the go to war and the oil price increases, it’s a win win for US oil producers!

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Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by CTPlayer: 3:37am On Oct 18, 2019
sunboy:


You still miss the point sir. Trump said “we are bringing our troops back home, no more endless wars in the Middle East” then only to return 2000+ soldiers to Saudi because they paid

When did the US military became a mercenary organization that’s being paid to fight wars for other countries ? Saudi is not even in the NATO alliance ooo

Since Kurds did not paid we have every right to be out of there... there by escalating the ISIS level again, and even telling the press that they can only escape to Europe... please tell me what would stop them from coming to the US??

This is the same Saudi that butchered a US Based journalist in cold blooded! The same Saudi whose citizen dominated 70% of the 9/11 terrorist!!

Remember, Saudis have the 3rd largest military spendings in the world. They are well equipped and trained, why won’t they put the lives of their soldiers in the line to protect their own territory.

See you cannot decide to pull soldiers out of Middle East because in your election campaign you promised to bring the soldiers home, only to send them to another country in the same Middle East... really

How much more can I spell this out for you sir ?

Okay, if you want to talk about the oil price rising ? It’s a win for the US if Saudi and Iran decided to go to war and Oil price rise... the US is currently the world largest producer of oil and the cost of producing the same oil is even expensive that the producers can compete favorably with the international market price. If the go to war and the oil price increases, it’s a win win for US oil producers!
WTF are you talking about? The USA is in no war. The USA is the largest producer of oil and gas on the planet.
Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by Nobody: 6:44am On Oct 18, 2019
CTPlayer:

WTF are you talking about? The USA is in no war. The USA is the largest producer of oil and gas on the planet.
Hogwash undecided

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Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by scully95: 4:58pm On Oct 23, 2019
CTPlayer:

John Kerry does not work for the US Government anymore. US forces were mainly advisory, working with Kurds to kill ISIS.
US military has not engaged in the Syrian war. Maybe Obama/Hillary thought Assad "has to go" but they didn't do much about it.
[s]Seems Trump could care less who is in charge of Syria, same for 99.99% of Americans.[/s]


What are you saying ? Everyone knows the clan Obama his Killary Killton plus John Kerry crew represent and the same Trump also did represent this clan but not as much that those other ones. The same reason they hate Trump which also failed from rescuing the U.S state from this clan. He failed woefully.

So Donald Trump did not send 103 Tomahawk missile to Syria which completely failed too ? They were advisory with a base in Syria ?? The biggest joke ever.. Where are you getting all this fakesnews from ?

There is still a Base in Syria as we speak nt the Abandoned one in Manbij which was Encircled already by the Assad Forces.. Ok, let me just remind you of reality in Syria.

Just say it as it it.. A base in Syria is complete chest beating and arrogant way of breaking the rules and Norms guiding every nation irrespective of what ever pretext like ISIS which was created by the same clan. OMG Said they did'nt do much about it by arming anything they could arm and supporting their ISIS crazy together with their White Helmet crooks. (FREE SYRIAN ARMY) LOL>..

No one is a kid here.
Accept it, Plan A Failed, Plan B failed.. Divide, conquer and rule also failed.

Now pack ya load and go. or else what happened in manbij will repeat itself again and again until you re left with no option except to pack n go.

Simple.

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Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by dapoRead: 1:34pm On Oct 26, 2019
sunboy:


Well 99.99% of Americans ... I don’t know where you get that statistics from but majority still don’t understand why Americans are sent to Saudi too

They are sent there to get roasted in the event of war with Iran.
Saudi cannot even take on the Yemenis. Sending military there is just saving face after the mass drone attack managed to penetrate all the billions of dollars worth (wrought) of junks bought by Saudi from the U.S.A

Is it not clear ?
Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by sunboy(m): 5:11pm On Oct 26, 2019
dapoRead:


They are sent there to get roasted in the event of war with Iran.
Saudi cannot even take on the Yemenis. Sending military there is just saving face after the mass drone attack managed to penetrate all the billions of dollars worth (wrought) of junks bought by Saudi from the U.S.A

Is it not clear ?

You are the one who’s not clear with my point. It’s a known fact that US need some damage control to cover for the failure of the Patriot to stop those cruise missiles and drones.

But Trump said; we are bringing our boys home from the Middle East, only to be redeployed to another middle eastern country (SA) cos they paid for the service.

He should have just shut up and carry one with his plans not justifying why he’s withdrawing the boys from Syria.

Is it clearer now ?
Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by dapoRead: 11:54pm On Oct 27, 2019
sunboy:


You are the one who’s not clear with my point. It’s a known fact that US need some damage control to cover for the failure of the Patriot to stop those cruise missiles and drones.

But Trump said; we are bringing our boys home from the Middle East, only to be redeployed to another middle eastern country (SA) cos they paid for the service.

He should have just shut up and carry one with his plans not justifying why he’s withdrawing the boys from Syria.

Is it clearer now ?

I get your point. I gave up on Trump long time ago. He's deceiving himself and his load of followers on twitter. Truth is he even sent tankers to Northern Syrian oil fields after they encircled U.S base in Manbijj. So his announcement is just face saving. Still more bases in Syria, the Syrian army sooner or later will encircle and he will need to announce again by then.
Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by CTPlayer: 2:52am On Oct 28, 2019
sunboy:


You are the one who’s not clear with my point. It’s a known fact that US need some damage control to cover for the failure of the Patriot to stop those cruise missiles and drones.

But Trump said; we are bringing our boys home from the Middle East, only to be redeployed to another middle eastern country (SA) cos they paid for the service.

He should have just shut up and carry one with his plans not justifying why he’s withdrawing the boys from Syria.

Is it clearer now ?

The US Military has been deployed globally since after WWll. That is why there hasn't been a WWlll.
Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by Nobody: 8:06am On Oct 28, 2019
CTPlayer:


The US Military has been deployed globally since after WWll. That is why there hasn't been a WWlll.
undecided

Not because the US military was deployed globally

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Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by sunboy(m): 2:42pm On Oct 28, 2019
CTPlayer:


The US Military has been deployed globally since after WWll. That is why there hasn't been a WWlll.

I didn’t ask to be lectured on when they’ve been deploying military around the world and you saying that’s why there hasn’t been a WWlll is absurd lol. There’s no correlation between deploying military and that stoping world war 3.

And I don’t know how that got into this discussion lol
Re: Washington Dumps Its Kurdish Proxies (temporary Puppets) As Ankara And Damascus by sunboy(m): 2:52pm On Oct 28, 2019
dapoRead:


I get your point. I gave up on Trump long time ago. He's deceiving himself and his load of followers on twitter. Truth is he even sent tankers to Northern Syrian oil fields after they encircled U.S base in Manbijj. So his announcement is just face saving. Still more bases in Syria, the Syrian army sooner or later will encircle and he will need to announce again by then.

Right there is the real motive about all these senseless war around the world : MONEY!

It’s all about money, it had always been about the money. You betrayed your allies, only to go protect some oil reserves with tank ? Thereby denying the Syrian government the access to its natural resources on its own soil, that’s after leaving your Kurdish ally to die even though they are the reason why you are in the country in the first place.

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