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Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by Nobody: 9:08am On Oct 28, 2019
picoba:
ASSU is right. There are some peculiarities with there payment. Lecturing in more than one university is an international practice.

No one can lecture full-time, at the same time, in more than a single university. At least not under the Nigerian system, you can't possibly be in two places at the same time so one of such appointments has to be on a part-time basis.

ASUU members want to continue drawing salaries from three or four different schools funded by the same FG, does that sound fair or reasonable to you?!

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by Ayodelejohn2018(m): 9:19am On Oct 28, 2019
d one with d best intention for humanity shall win in Jesus name amen
Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by Ngasky(m): 9:20am On Oct 28, 2019
Useless thieves, I spent 28 years in a university environment. They are all thieves, I know a single lecturer that is working as a visiting lecturer to four (4) other universities apart from his full appointed university so receiving 5 salaries from federal government. The five universities are in different states and the rule of visiting lecturer is that every week he must have done a lecture of at least two hours before he can be considered that he visited that particular university. He must supervise postgraduate student/students thesis. Now who can keep up this rule + main university responsibility?
God forbid you have such lecturer as your project supervisor. You will suffer tire.
students will have lecture fixes because the lecturer is somewhere looking for money. Assignments tests assignments that's all students will learn.
As they stated NO PAY NO WORK government should gladly use NO WORK NO PAY. it takes two to tango

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by naijareferee: 9:24am On Oct 28, 2019
picoba:
ASSU is right. There are some peculiarities with there payment. Lecturing in more than one university is an international practice.
Receiving full payment as full time staff from more than one university... Is it an international practice also?

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by emmasege: 9:38am On Oct 28, 2019
Enjoy your next levelof change, ASUU. Afterall, it's you people that 'collated' and allocated votes for the clueless one, and imposed him on Nigeria against the wish of reasonable Nigerians.

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by SolarEdge: 10:27am On Oct 28, 2019
ASUU is the most corrupt association in Nigeria.
Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by Ibegtodiffer: 10:36am On Oct 28, 2019
I see many least informed positions. Some things are meant not to be explained. Everyone will understand soon. But b4 you draw any conclusion, ASK THOSE ON IPPIS HOW MUCH THEY'RE ENJOYING IT.
Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by McCoy662(m): 10:38am On Oct 28, 2019
I personally think this ASUU should be dissolved. they have done more harm than good. if they are fighting for students that are working in more than one governmental institution, then I think FG should make provisions to accommodate that; but if they are just opposed to the whole system, then they are nothing but a bunch of corrupt fools
Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by tfelicityk(m): 11:59am On Oct 28, 2019
Why are they afraid? They are the master of fraud and corruption...

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by favouryemmy: 12:08pm On Oct 28, 2019
gaetano:
Why ASUU is against newly introduced IPPIS

1. Some lecturers work in more than one university
2. The current payment system allow arbitrary deductions by ASUU from it members salaries
3. Thousands of dead lecturers still exist on the payroll reason why some VCs support ASUU


ASUU is becoming increasingly irresponsible. If they are talking about university autonomy as the reason for rejecting IPPIS, then they should be ready to ask the government to stop all forms of funding to the universities to make the autonomy complete.

A lecturer can only work full time in one university and as adjuct in another one. It is allowed in the academic system all over the world. The cheap blackmail by the federal government that some lecturers work full time in more than one university is untrue because it is against the regulations guiding public service and no university will risk such. Adjunct lecturing in Nigeria has necessary for accreditation purposes because the same federal has refused to employ adequate lecturers for some departments so they augment so that students will not suffer due to loss of accreditation.

Also, university staff are not direct employees of the federal government but those of the respective university councils who the law vested with the responsibility of managing university finances and other things. The IPPIS is at variance with the laws establishing universities , therefore in such cases the law should supercede any policy that is contrary to it.

Several government MDA that had enrolled in to the IPPIS are currently regretting and suffering in silence. Several of them have to travel all the way to Abuja to sort out minor issues about their salaries, risking their lives, having to sort some of the workers before their cases are considered and in many cases,are still not sorted out. Besides, the IPPIS does not capture the peculiarities of the university system.

The disadvantages of IPPIS outweighs its advantages.
Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by favouryemmy: 12:12pm On Oct 28, 2019
babyfaceafrica:
why is ASUU refusing this?..are they different from other parastatals of the government?

Yes, they are different because they are the employees of their respective university councils and not the FG. The laws establish that each university MUST have a council that are in charge of managing their university's finances, employment, etc. The law also states that where there is a conflict between any government policy and the law establishing universities, the law takes precedence and superiority. The law must be respected and not any policy that negates it. If the FG is truly interested in upholding the law, they should leave the universities out of IPPIS.
Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by favouryemmy: 12:23pm On Oct 28, 2019
Afamed:

There is nothing to add. If ASUU is talking about autonomy, they should also stop collecting salary and other benefits from Government so the autonomy could come in full shape

Every well meaning country in the world always has universities owned by the government. Go and search the internet to know about how universities operate in other parts of the world. That universities should be autonomous does not mean that the government should not fund it. Every university has a university council whose members are appointed by the FG, even the VCs are employed by the FG. So through the university council, the FG manages the finances and employment in their respective universities. This is what the law obtains, and introducing IPPIS into the university will be contrary to the law. The IPPIS is a mere policy and, since it is at variance with the law of the land, the law takes superiority over any policy that negates it. The FG should uphold the law of the land and should not force people into any policy that is contrary to the very law they are supposed to uphold. There are some peculiarities with universities all over the world and Nigeria and IPPIS does not capture this. Also, go and do your research, you will see that IPPIS is ridden with corruption.
Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by Afamed: 12:37pm On Oct 28, 2019
favouryemmy:


Every well meaning country in the world always has universities owned by the government. Go and search the internet to know about how universities operate in other parts of the world. That universities should be autonomous does not mean that the government should fund it. Every university has a university council whose members are appointed by the FG, even the VCs are employed by the FG. So through the university council, the FG manages the finances and employment in their respective universities. This is what the law obtains, and introducing IPPIS into the university will be contrary to the law. The IPPIS is a mere policy and, since it is at variance with the law of the land, the law takes superiority over any policy that negates it. The FG should uphold the law of the land and should not force people into any policy that is contrary to the very law they are supposed to uphold. There are some peculiarities with universities all over the world and Nigeria and IPPIS does not capture this. Also, go and do your research, you will see that IPPIS is ridden with corruption.
Is there anything ASUU is hiding regards the IPPIS?
Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by Afamed: 12:40pm On Oct 28, 2019
favouryemmy:


A lecturer can only work full time in one university and as adjuct in another one. It is allowed in the academic system all over the world. The cheap blackmail by the federal government that some lecturers work full time in more than one university is untrue because it is against the regulations guiding public service and no university will risk such. Adjunct lecturing in Nigeria has necessary for accreditation purposes because the same federal has refused to employ adequate lecturers for some departments so they augment so that students will not suffer due to loss of accreditation.

Also, university staff are not direct employees of the federal government but those of the respective university councils who the law vested with the responsibility of managing university finances and other things. The IPPIS is at variance with the laws establishing universities , therefore in such cases the law should supercede any policy that is contrary to it.

Several government MDA that had enrolled in to the IPPIS are currently regretting and suffering in silence. Several of them have to travel all the way to Abuja to sort out minor issues about their salaries, risking their lives, having to sort some of the workers before their cases are considered and in many cases,are still not sorted out. Besides, the IPPIS does not capture the peculiarities of the university system.

The disadvantages of IPPIS outweighs its advantages.
But you fail to mention to us those disadvantages of the IPPIS.
Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by babyfaceafrica: 2:59pm On Oct 28, 2019
favouryemmy:


Yes, they are different because they are the employees of their respective university councils and not the FG. The laws establish that each university MUST have a council that are in charge of managing their university's finances, employment, etc. The law also states that where there is a conflict between any government policy and the law establishing universities, the law takes precedence and superiority. The law must be respected and not any policy that negates it. If the FG is truly interested in upholding the law, they should leave the universities out of IPPIS.
not going to happen
Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by Hearme(m): 3:36pm On Oct 28, 2019
The blind calling the person who can see blind. Is it the same FG that is struggling with 2009 agreement with ASUU that you want ASUU to trust totally? FG should create the platform that captures ASUU's concerns and their allowances and see if they will not embrace it.

gaetano:
Why ASUU is against newly introduced IPPIS

1. Some lecturers work in more than one university
2. The current payment system allow arbitrary deductions by ASUU from it members salaries
3. Thousands of dead lecturers still exist on the payroll reason why some VCs support ASUU


ASUU is becoming increasingly irresponsible. If they are talking about university autonomy as the reason for rejecting IPPIS, then they should be ready to ask the government to stop all forms of funding to the universities to make the autonomy complete.
Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by favouryemmy: 4:55pm On Oct 28, 2019
Afamed:

But you fail to mention to us those disadvantages of the IPPIS.

Here are some of them

http://saharareporters.com/2019/07/27/exclusive-corruption-how-office-nigeria%E2%80%99s-accountant-general-refused-pay-civil-servants

https://thenationonlineng.net/police-officers-to-buhari-senate-investigate-ippis-over-salaries/
Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by favouryemmy: 5:01pm On Oct 28, 2019
Afamed:

Is there anything ASUU is hiding regards the IPPIS?

My brother, there's nothing that ASUU is hiding. ASUU is only saying that government should obey the law of the land and allow the university councils to do their duties. These council members are appointed by the same government, so what's the problem with allowing them to do their Statutory duties? This is the general practice all over the world, why must ours be different?
Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by favouryemmy: 5:09pm On Oct 28, 2019
babyfaceafrica:
not going to happen

Not going to happen for what reason? You didn't give any. One of reasons why you're living freely and can even use your phone to type this is because the law of the land protects you. Imagine if government brings a new policy, for example, that no citizen is allowed to own a phone, what will you do? If they arrest you because you own a phone because of the policy while the law does not say that you cannot own a phone, would you not protest for your rights? One should learn to bow to superior arguments. And that is that the law of the land does not allow policies like IPPIS to supercede the law establishing universities in Nigeria. That's the law and even the FG must respect the law the vowed to protect, else even the freedom we enjoy today in the country might be taken away through one new policy or another? Think!
Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by Hassan05(m): 8:10pm On Oct 28, 2019
nedu89:
The truth of the matter is that the VC's are using ASSU to achieve their selfish aims. They will prepare a high payroll and send to the federal government and when they get the money, they will prepare another payroll they will use to pay the salaries of the lecturers. Secondly, a lot of padding is going on in the salary scale of most lecturers. IPPIS must be implemented in the University environment. I wonder how an employee will tell his employer on how to pay him
Your head is correct... As if they were given the privilege to do that during the appointment moment
Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by Hassan05(m): 8:11pm On Oct 28, 2019
Nigeria shall be great again... It's not a futuristic statement but an instantaneous statement.

God bless Nigeria
Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by ibro1010(m): 8:27pm On Oct 28, 2019
Dr Nura Alkali
ASUU is fighting a lost battle with the FGN by rejecting IPPIS in the name of university autonomy.

If our universities were autonomous, they won't need government salaries since they could live on student tuition, royalties for patented inventions, consultancy services, and gifts from alumni and philantropists.

Government funding would only come in two ways: Directly via research grants, and indirectly via student loans. U.S. universities operate on this model, which enables them to reject government policies deemed unfavourable to their interests.

In Nigeria, even private universities are not autonomous despite the high tuition fees, and must obey financing rules made by the founder/board of trustees.

Our federal universities are owned by the public, but 200 million Nigerians cannot gather every now and then to make rules. They left that to Mr. President, the "Visitor", but ASUU now says they won't obey his policy on IPPIS.

In other words, ASUU defies public interests.

Meanwhile, universities earn millions in tuition fees but still depend on Tetfund for the smallest projects. Masters and PhDs take 4-8 years in Nigeria. A sexual predator sacked by ABU easily found job at KASU.

The same ASUU has said nothing on these issues of public interest.

My advise to ASUU: Know when to pick up a fight, and always strive to be on the right side of history.
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Re: IPPIS: ASUU To Meet NASS Leaders In Fight Against Payroll System Controversy by bahaushe1: 8:35pm On Oct 28, 2019
gaetano:
Why ASUU is against newly introduced IPPIS

1. Some lecturers work in more than one university
2. The current payment system allow arbitrary deductions by ASUU from it members salaries
3. Thousands of dead lecturers still exist on the payroll reason why some VCs support ASUU


ASUU is becoming increasingly irresponsible. If they are talking about university autonomy as the reason for rejecting IPPIS, then they should be ready to ask the government to stop all forms of funding to the universities to make the autonomy complete.


1. Even the accountant general acknowledged that deserving lecturers are entitled to work in more than on university.

2. IPPIS allows union deductions.

3. It the responsibility of governing councils of universities to fish out 'dead lecturers' and remove them from payroll.

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