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Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by HigherEd: 5:35pm On Nov 29, 2019
Today, Nigeria has a total of 85 and 79 public and private universities respectively. However, while the public sector recruits about 98% of the total student population in Nigeria the private sector can only attract 2% mostly due to the high cost of tuition. Further more, 37 Public Universities in Nigeria offer Law with the highest admission capacity going to the University of Lagos - which is permitted to admit 270 students per annum. 18 private universities are also allowed to offer law as a degree but with lesser approved admission capacities.

It was therefore amusing to many spectators how the much derided and under represented private led education sector was able to graduate the overall best student at the Nigerian law school. And much so, the overall best student Mudashir Abiru who was a 2:1 Graduate of Babcock University triumphing over many first class graduates from University Of Ibadan, University Of Nigeria, Nsukka, Ahmadu Bello University and University of Lagos - the supposed 'special status' law awarding institution with full accreditation.


Not surprisingly, the Private sector has proven her value numerous times as the viable, sustainable model of higher education in Nigeria. Redeemers University founded in 2005 recently became the World Bank African Center of Excellence For Infectious Diseases and has attracted millions of US dollars in grants. Covenant University currently ranks the best University in West Africa by the venerable Times Higher Education. Afe Babalola founded in 2010 last year produced the overall best student at the Nigerian law school. Covenant university also led the PRESSID project three times consecutively under the administration of the last President, Goodluck Ebele Jonathan.

Every now and then when Private Universities convoke first class graduates in large numbers we have poorly informed graduates and academics from the public university sector who make condescending commentary against the real worth of the value of their class of degrees which is an erosion on the commitment and diligence these young lads put in to get their degrees.

Today, with a 2.1 graduate of Babcock emerging the overall best at the Nigerian law school i would humorously pay back Public school graduates in their own very coin. A 2.1 in Babcock is equivalent to a first class in Unilag

But in all seriousness, I hope it is time we put an end to the reckless derision and query on the value of degrees obtained at Private Universities.


Source: A publication of NL's Highered

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by CodeTemplar: 1:14am On Nov 30, 2019
Good one. You can't rig statistics forever. The private uni aren't what their insecure public uni rivals have painted them as.

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by Nobody: 6:15am On Nov 30, 2019
Morning HigherEd. While I agree that there are a lot public owned universities with infrastructural deficit, with the exception of a few, the 79 private universities scattered across the nation are a breeding ground for ill-baked graduates, confined within the four walls of mushroom universities that cannot be investigated due to standing orders that bars outsiders. There's just no basis for comparison, I'm sorry to break your heart.

I'm indeed glad that you have once again raised an issue that tilts the balance of our education system and keeps the confused ones speculating. While it's indeed a great development for Babcock University and its entire alumni body to have resurrected from a sex scandal that took over the scene last week to produce the best grad at law school, I think you should take a chill pill with the comparison. It still doesn't favour the privates.

According to your own stat, 37 public universities offer law and have 29 are represented on the list making 78% while and 18 privates have 5 on the list making 27%. It goes to show there are poor public universities but they still attract more intelligent students. It also shows that that more private universities that offer law do so to make the numbers.

I'm surprised that whenever a private university makes a progress, one that has lost its significance in a fairly good public university as Unilag, OAU or UI, it become a major news to chew for the rest of the year while waiting anxiously if another miracle would spring up the coming year. University of Lagos, today, is the only university in Nigeria with full accreditation to run the law programme according to NUC the last time. That's a stat you wouldn't like to agree with. It has consistently produced the highest number first class in law school for about 6 years until this year when UI took the baton producing higher number of first class graduands than all the private universites that made the list put together and still leaving enough change for some mediocre public universities.

Although, Unilag, with the best faculty of law in Nigeria, performed below par this time, it may tell us about the school but it as well speaks volume of the calibre of students for that set. The same UI that has produced 26 of 147 graduands this year could only produce 12 of 161 last year while Unilag and UNN produced 20 each. No one has denied the existence of a few intelligent and exceptional students in private universities as you'll find anywhere else in the world, we're just saying their degrees wouldn't come as a smooth ride and not anything close to it if it were a public university.

I wish to congratulate University of Maiduguri and Usman Dan Fodio university for this giant stride. If you haven't produced a first class at all, no one would blame you for it.

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by darfay: 9:05am On Nov 30, 2019
The development of private universities are a good development for our educational system, at the end of the day it's a win win for Nigerians...

But I don't just get why you had to shade Unilag BTW

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by HigherEd: 10:21am On Nov 30, 2019
ThreeBlackBird:
Morning HigherEd. While I agree that there are a lot public owned universities with infrastructural deficit, with the exception of a few, the 79 private universities scattered across the nation are a breeding ground for ill-baked graduates, confined within the four walls of mushroom universities that cannot be investigated due to standing orders that bars outsiders. There's just no basis for comparison, I'm sorry to break your heart.

I'm indeed glad that you have once again raised an issue that tilts the balance of our education system and keeps the confused ones speculating. While it's indeed a great development for Babcock University and its entire alumni body to have resurrected from a sex scandal that took over the scene last week to produce the best grad at law school, I think you should take a chill pill with the comparison. It still doesn't favour the privates.

According to your own stat, 37 public universities offer law and have 28 are represented on the list making 78% while and 18 privates have 5 on the list making 27%. It goes to show there are poor public universities but they still attract more intelligent students. It also shows that that more private universities that offer law do so to make the numbers.

I'm surprised that whenever a private university makes a progress, one that has lost its significance in a fairly good public university as Unilag, OAU or UI, it become a major news to chew for the rest of the year while waiting anxiously if another miracle would spring up the coming year. University of Lagos, today, is the only university in Nigeria with full accreditation to run the law programme according to NUC the last time. That's a stat you wouldn't like to agree with. It has consistently produced the highest number first class in law school for about 6 years until this year when UI took the baton producing higher number of first class graduands than all the private universites that made the list put together and still leaving enough change for some mediocre public universities.

Although, Unilag, with the best faculty of law in Nigeria, performed below par this time, it may tells us about the school but it as well speaks volume of the calibre of students for that set. The same UI that has produced 26 of 147 graduands this year could only produce 12 of 161 last year while Unilag and UNN produced 20 each. No one has denied the existence of a few intelligent and exceptional students in private universities as you'll find anywhere else in the world, we're just saying their degrees wouldn't come as a smooth ride and not anything close if it were a public university.

I wish to congratulate University of Maiduguri and Usman Dan Fodio university for this giant stride. If you haven't produced a first class at all, no one would blame you for it.

First of all I never made any reference to the number of first class produced by private universities at the law school. But since you veered to that let me indulge you. Babcock alone produced 10 first class at the law school out of a maximum class of 100. Unilag produced 9 out of a maximum of 270(Again, Unilag is the university with full accreditation for offering law)

So Unilag sent 270 graduates to law school and only 3% graduated with a First class at law school.

Babcock sent 100 to Law school and graduated 10% with a First class and to top it all a 2.1 student trumped all the first-class grads from ABU, UI and Unilag.

Even Bowen did better than Unilag, they had 4% of their students graduate with a first class.



Babcock sex scandal?
What are you on about? There was no sex scandal at Babcock university. Two adult students were having sex like students all over the world do. They were only foolish to have recorded their sexual escapades. I'm sure right now as we speak students from Harvard, Stanford, Unilag etc are having pre marital sex. So does a Stanford student having sex erode the value of Stanford. I don't get your point.

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by Nobody: 10:50am On Nov 30, 2019
HigherEd:


First of all I never made any reference to the number of first class produced by private universities at the law school. But since you veered to that let me indulge you. Babcock alone produced 10 first class at the law school out of a maximum class of 100. Unilag produced 9 out of a maximum of 270(Again, Unilag is the university with full accreditation for offering law)

So Unilag sent 270 graduates to law school and only 3% graduated with a First class at law school.

Babcock sent 100 to Law school and graduated 10% with a First class and to top it all a 2.1 student trumped all the first-class grads from ABU, UI and Unilag.

Even Bowen did better than Unilag, they had 4% of their students graduate with a first class.



Babcock sex scandal?
What are you on about? There was no sex scandal at Babcock university. Two adult students were having sex like students all over the world do. They were only foolish to have recorded their sexual escapades. I'm sure right now as we speak students from Harvard, Stanford, Unilag etc are having pre marital sex. So does a Stanford student having sex erode the value of Stanford. I don't get your point.


Again, this year, University of Lagos has performed a bit below expectation. It has consistently produced the highest number of first class graduands from the law school for about 6 years and that's verifiable. The same Babcock University that has produced 10 this year produced only 4 last year when Unilag produced 20. Even ABUAD that made 12 last year now has half of it this year. Consistency, as unilag has been until now, is what sets the institution apart. Let's see how consistent Babcock would be.

I'm surprised that suddenly, ranking doesn't mean much to you, HigherEd, whose entire online presence has been about digging deep, searching which recent ranking puts CU as the best in the world. NUC, our own most reputable commission insisted that UNILAG is the only university in the country with the full accreditation of law, and by virtue of that, best in the Nigeria for law. This same university, UNILAG, is said to be among the top 1000 universities in the world, ranked by one of your best ranking outlets, THE. Are you insinuating now that a Babcock somewhere is so spectacular and beats other universities to it?

I'm particularly concerned about the misinformation fed to the public by generalizing the fortune of the entire private university community by the success of a few. Because Babcock has produced its highest ever first class in law school does mean all private universities are now exceptional at law. Many of them have no business offering advanced university course. They would serve better as event tutorial or event centres.

Talking about scandal, i still yet to understand why the university chose to expel the lady if it didn't rock the university boat as a scandal. We don't have to deny that Babcock, as well as CU, is well far away from what could be considered a liberal school as Stanford,Harvard and Unilag. It allegedly built its foundation on the solid rock of moral decency and appear to itself as the moral compass other schools should point at. If for such school, the news isn't a scandal, then scandal has no business in the dictionary.

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by Ejusni(m): 12:41pm On Nov 30, 2019
Mr poster I don't understand what you're trying to say, so because one student who got a 2:1 in Babcock made s first class in law school and the overall best you just assume private universities are better than public ones? where was private universities in the last law school exams where public universities beat them to the shit.....

No matter how much you try to give private schools relevance in Nigeria, you just can't. ask the graduates of private schools their experience in the labour market , most of them have jobs because of their parents connection. if a public university graduate and a private university graduate attends a job interview I'm pretty sure we know who gets the job... I have lots of friends and family members who attended private universities but bro when they graduated nor be the same story oo Na naira we dey no one looks at private schools like anything, everyone dey pass for there.
Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by HigherEd: 12:54pm On Nov 30, 2019
ThreeBlackBird:


Again, this year, University of Lagos has performed a bit below expectation. It has consistently produced the highest number of first class graduands from the law school for about 6 years and that's verifiable. The same Babcock University that has produced 10 this year produced only 4 last year when Unilag produced 20. Even ABUAD that made 12 last year now has half of it this year. Consistency, as unilag has been until now, is what sets the institution apart. Let's see how consistent Babcock would be.

I'm surprised that suddenly, ranking doesn't mean much to you, HigherEd, whose entire online presence has been about digging deep, searching which recent ranking puts CU as the best in the world. NUC, our own most reputable commission insisted that UNILAG is the only university in the country with the full accreditation of law, and by virtue of that, best in the Nigeria for law. This same university, UNILAG, is said to be among the top 1000 universities in the world, ranked by one of your best ranking outlets, THE. Are you insinuating now that a Babcock somewhere is so spectacular and beats other universities to it?

I'm particularly concerned about the misinformation fed to the public by generalizing the fortune of the entire private university community by the success of a few. Because Babcock has produced its highest ever first class in law school does mean all private universities are now exceptional at law. Many of them have no business offer advanced university course. The would serve better as event tutorial or event centres.

Talking about scandal, i still yet to understand why the university chose to expel the lady if it didn't rock the university boat as a scandal. We don't have to deny that Babcock, as well as CU, is well far away from what could be considered a liberal school as Stanford,Harvard and Unilag. It allegedly built its foundation on the solid rock of moral decency and appear to itself as the moral compass other schools should point at. If for such school, the news isn't a scandal, then scandal has no business in the dictionary.
Your very self just made reference to Unilag's inconsistent track record by saying they did well last year and did poorly this year.
If anything, the result from law school indicates there is nothing special about the Law college at Unilag. If they want to prove they are indeed a special status school for law, they should consistently produce the highest number of first class degrees(by proportion not number) for the next seven years and should in fact produce the best graduating students at least 50% of those times.

The last year where Unilag produced 20 first class at Law school represented just 7% of the graduates they sent to Law school. While ABUAD a university founded in 2010 had 12 first graduates representing 6%. So a 1% difference is what the Almighty unilag with special status could shoulder up to a University that is not up to 10 years old.

NUC awarding Unilag full accreditation while denying all other schools means absolutely nothing. NUC alongside other Nigerian regulators are not credible. Things are done at NUC for influence and not merits.

Again ask NUC which Universities since establishment have never lost any accreditation and they would show you AUN and Covenant University. Not one single public university hasn't had her accreditation tussled around by NUC.

Remember that the reason for my write up was to prove that first class graduates from private varsities are not in anyway inferior to those from the public university system and I believe I have done that successfully.

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by Degis(m): 1:01pm On Nov 30, 2019
ThreeBlackBird:


Again, this year, University of Lagos has performed a bit below expectation. It has consistently produced the highest number of first class graduands from the law school for about 6 years and that's verifiable. The same Babcock University that has produced 10 this year produced only 4 last year when Unilag produced 20. Even ABUAD that made 12 last year now has half of it this year. Consistency, as unilag has been until now, is what sets the institution apart. Let's see how consistent Babcock would be.

I'm surprised that suddenly, ranking doesn't mean much to you, HigherEd, whose entire online presence has been about digging deep, searching which recent ranking puts CU as the best in the world. NUC, our own most reputable commission insisted that UNILAG is the only university in the country with the full accreditation of law, and by virtue of that, best in the Nigeria for law. This same university, UNILAG, is said to be among the top 1000 universities in the world, ranked by one of your best ranking outlets, THE. Are you insinuating now that a Babcock somewhere is so spectacular and beats other universities to it?

I'm particularly concerned about the misinformation fed to the public by generalizing the fortune of the entire private university community by the success of a few. Because Babcock has produced its highest ever first class in law school does mean all private universities are now exceptional at law. Many of them have no business offer advanced university course. The would serve better as event tutorial or event centres.

Talking about scandal, i still yet to understand why the university chose to expel the lady if it didn't rock the university boat as a scandal. We don't have to deny that Babcock, as well as CU, is well far away from what could be considered a liberal school as Stanford,Harvard and Unilag. It allegedly built its foundation on the solid rock of moral decency and appear to itself as the moral compass other schools should point at. If for such school, the news isn't a scandal, then scandal has no business in the dictionary.

1. If you agree that private schools would have a few intelligent students that would blaze the trail of academic excellence, isn’t it proper to agree that before those students could have done well the infrastructure in place in those schools aided them especially when they also replicated their excellent performance in a school where both private and public school graduates competed with each other in a level playing ground?

2. You may wish to recall the fact that you can’t hold a linear view when comparing and contrasting. If you choose to compare and contrast year on year performances, credible metrics should also include number of first class to the number of students produced per school thus that Unilag produced 20 first class graduates last year, how many students attended from Unilag vis-a-vis the number from Babcock this year and last year. I am sure if you consider these metrics you will agree with Highered that all doubts have been cleared that our Private Universities have obliterated all doubts that people of your ilk have.

3. You seem to be fixated on the fact that Unilag have full accreditation for law forgetting that accreditation and rankings are 2 different issues. NUC’s ratings has consistently included Private Universities that even justify the fact Highered has been making. For your information, even with Unilag’s law accreditation, Covenant University, a Private University (emphasis mine) has for the past 5 years done better than Unilag.

4. You claim that Highered has inadvertently elevated a few exceptional performances of students from Private Universities to the point of grandeur. However, if you agree with me, if people like you did not engage in your campaign of my farm is bigger than yours, the dichotomy wouldn’t have existed in the first place. You can’t continue to denigrate Graduates and Students of Private Universities and not expect them to spread their successes in your faces.

5. What happened to you, is not as important as how you react to it and Babcock reacted in a way and manner that any world class institution would be proud of. The brand suffered a reputational risk and it arose like the Phoenix from the ashes of it to demonstrate zero tolerance for absurdity and also daze perennial naysayers with the excellent performances of her students

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by HigherEd: 1:02pm On Nov 30, 2019
Ejusni:
Mr poster I don't understand what you're trying to say, so because one student who got a 2:1 in Babcock made s first class in law school and the overall best you just assume private universities are better than public ones? where was private universities in the last law school exams where public universities beat them to the shit.....
Another semi educated graduate throwing unfounded theories up and about. At least get your facts right. Last year Naomi Ekpo a graduate of ABUAD(Private) demolished her counterparts from the public varsity sphere. grin

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by Degis(m): 1:08pm On Nov 30, 2019
HigherEd:

Another semi educated graduate throwing unfounded theories up and about. At least get your facts right. Last year Naomi Ekpo a graduate of ABUAD(Private) demolished her counterparts from the public varsity sphere. grin

Highered,

Thank you for what you do by providing us with useful information about private universities.

My son just graduated from a Public University and I wish I could turn back the hands of the clock and make him go to a Private University but by the grace of God, my daughter will attend Covenant University

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by Ejusni(m): 1:33pm On Nov 30, 2019
HigherEd:

Another semi educated graduate throwing unfounded theories up and about. At least get your facts right. Last year Naomi Ekpo a graduate of ABUAD(Private) demolished her counterparts from the public varsity sphere. grin


Guy I don't have energy to throw insults and argue, just do and graduate and enter the Nigerian labour market with your private certificate and come and tell me how far.
Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by HigherEd: 1:41pm On Nov 30, 2019
Ejusni:



Guy I don't have energy to throw insults and argue, just do and graduate and enter the Nigerian labour market with your private certificate and come and tell me how far.
I graduated many years ago boy. I have never entered the 'labour' market and I don't intend to do so. I have always preferred owning the market.

I see you are just writing Neco. In a few years time you would understand two things.
1) The public school you so much love has drained rather than impact you.
2) That the Labour market that you talk about does not give a flying fvck about your degree. It is purely worthless to the private sector especially if you studied anything engineering and scientific.

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by Ejusni(m): 1:47pm On Nov 30, 2019
HigherEd:
I graduated many years ago boy. I have never entered the 'labour' market and I don't intend to do so. I have always preferred owning the market.

That's what they all say.
Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by HigherEd: 2:07pm On Nov 30, 2019
Ejusni:


That's what they all say.
Ok

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by Nobody: 2:10pm On Nov 30, 2019
Degis:


1. If you agree that private schools would have a few intelligent students that would blaze the trail of academic excellence, isn’t it proper to agree that before those students could have done well the infrastructure in place in those schools aided them especially when they also replicated their excellent performance in a school where both private and public school graduates competed with each other in a level playing ground?
Hello Degis! I think we should be clear and avoid muddling up things. Babcock University, though a public university, should not be used to portray the entire private university community. Also, having a few exceptional students isn't unheard of and could have been aided by facilities.

Degis:

2. You may wish to recall the fact that you can’t hold a linear view when comparing and contrasting. If you choose to compare and contrast year on year performances, credible metrics should also include number of first class to the number of students produced per school thus that Unilag produced 20 first class graduates last year, how many students attended from Unilag vis-a-vis the number from Babcock this year and last year. I am sure if you consider these metrics you will agree with Highered that all doubts have been cleared that our Private Universities have obliterated all doubts that people of your ilk have.
While we both don't have the data, I'll be indeed grateful if we can have an overview for clarity. That unilag has a quota of 270 doesn't mean it would produce 270 graduates in an academic year. It's not a standing order as it might be in your own school that the number of students enrolled for a programme would equal that presented for graduate. While at it again, I appreciate as well, data from the other private universities representing about 70% whose names we can't find on the list. Don't lump up a once in a blue moon performance with the general productivity of the private universities.

Degis:

3. You seem to be fixated on the fact that Unilag have full accreditation for law forgetting that accreditation and rankings are 2 different issues. NUC’s ratings has consistently included Private Universities that even justify the fact Highered has been making. For your information, even with Unilag’s law accreditation, Covenant University, a Private University (emphasis mine) has for the past 5 years done better than Unilag.
If you want a discussion about this, you can create a thread, invite a few friends and let's have a party. I'll be serving free popcorn.

Degis:

4. You claim that Highered has inadvertently elevated a few exceptional performances of students from Private Universities to the point of grandeur. However, if you agree with me, if people like you did not engage in your campaign of my farm is bigger than yours, the dichotomy wouldn’t have existed in the first place. You can’t continue to denigrate Graduates and Students of Private Universities and not expect them to spread their successes in your faces.
Honestly, I was never like this. As a matter of fact, I have always been an advocate for the growth of private owned universities to ease pressure on the government owned and also produce quality graduates fit for the society. Your friend, HigherEd, however keeps rubbing his private university dream
on everyone else's face. I mean, we all know a large private universities are striving to grow and need more time be better. you can't just go about painting a picture of the land being greener on the other side of the fence when in the true sense of it, it a wobble situation one can only imagine.

Degis:

5. What happened to you, is not as important as how you react to it and Babcock reacted in a way and manner that any world class institution would be proud of. The brand suffered a reputational risk and it arose like the Phoenix from the ashes of it to demonstrate zero tolerance for absurdity and also daze perennial naysayers with the excellent performances of her students
Action and reaction are opposite and equal. If that wasn't a scandal that portended so much repuatational damage to the university, the young girl would have retained her studentship. That was exactly my point.

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by Nobody: 2:16pm On Nov 30, 2019
Degis:


Highered,

Thank you for what you do by providing us with useful information about private universities.

My son just graduated from a Public University and I wish I could turn back the hands of the clock and make him go to a Private University but by the grace of God, my daughter will attend Covenant University

I recently graduated from university of Lagos sir and if my father could turn back the hands of time, I'll rather remain at home than go to a private university. BTW, which unversity did he graduate from? My children would go abroad but if at all they'd study in Nigeria, it would be UI or UNILAG.

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by Nobody: 2:17pm On Nov 30, 2019
Ejusni:



Guy I don't have energy to throw insults and argue, just do and graduate and enter the Nigerian labour market with your private certificate and come and tell me how far.

Actually, it doesn't really matter. A poly graduate which perform well than both private and public university. It boils down to a lot of things.

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by Nobody: 2:32pm On Nov 30, 2019
HigherEd:

Your very self just made reference to Unilag's inconsistent track record by saying they did well last year and did poorly this year.
If anything, the result from law school indicates there is nothing special about the Law college at Unilag. If they want to prove they are indeed a special status school for law, they should consistently produce the highest number of first class degrees(by proportion not number) for the next seven years and should in fact produce the best graduating students at least 50% of those times.
I'm not sure you got me right. I made reference to unilag taking the lead with the highest number for about 6 years until this year.
HigherEd:

The last year where Unilag produced 20 first class at Law school represented just 7% of the graduates they sent to Law school. While ABUAD a university founded in 2010 had 12 first graduates representing 6%. So a 1% difference is what the Almighty unilag with special status could shoulder up to a University that is not up to 10 years old.
How did you come to the realization that UNILAG sent 270 students to law school? How long should it have taken ABUAD to produce a first class? If that was ever a factor, we should have waited a bit more till ABUAD is old enough to go to law school grin
HigherEd:

NUC awarding Unilag full accreditation while denying all other schools means absolutely nothing. NUC alongside other Nigerian regulators are not credible. Things are done at NUC for influence and not merits.
Is that how Covenant University that has never lost accreditation for a course gotten it? What about THE that put UNILAG as top 100? I know you like that one grin grin
HigherEd:

Again ask NUC which Universities since establishment have never lost any accreditation and they would show you AUN and Covenant University. Not one single public university hasn't had her accreditation tussled around by NUC.
The same NUC which is influenced and never on merit as you claimed?
HigherEd:

Remember that the reason for my write up was to prove that first class graduates from private varsities are not in anyway inferior to those from the public university system and I believe I have done that successfully.

If you say a few, I can put up a debate but putting it as "private universities" out-rightly? It's a fantasy and i'll always be here to remind you.

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by HigherEd: 2:45pm On Nov 30, 2019
ThreeBlackBird:


I recently graduated from university of Lagos sir and if my father could turn back the hands of time, I'll rather remain at home than go to a private university. BTW, which unversity did he graduate from? My children would go abroad but if at all they'd study in Nigeria, it would be UI or UNILAG.
You see the difference. I would really prefer my own kids to school in Covenant university even if we are residing in the west. One of Nigeria's finest writers Stephanie ..... left the UK to study in CU and then go back home during the holidays.

My father graduated from the University of Ibadan BTW and is still a champion of private education. He knows how many times they had to run to Ago Iwoye just because cultist where either attacking indigenes or oba was busy shooting students.

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by HigherEd: 2:48pm On Nov 30, 2019
ThreeBlackBird:

I'm not sure you got me right. I made reference to unilag taking the lead with the highest number for the about 6 years until this year.

How did you come to the realization that UNILAG sent 270 students to law school? How long should it have taken ABUAD to produce a first class? It that was ever a factor, we should have waited a bit more till ABUAD is old enough to go to law school grin

Is that how Covenant University that has ever lost accreditation for a course gotten it? What about THE that put UNILAG as top 100? I know you like that one grin grin

The same NUC which is influenced and never on merit as you claimed?


If you say a few, I can put up a debate but putting it as "private universities" out-rightly? It's a fantasy and i'll always be here to remind you.

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by Nobody: 3:06pm On Nov 30, 2019
HigherEd:

You see the difference. I would really prefer my own kids to school in Covenant university even if we are residing in the west. One of Nigeria's finest writers Stephanie ..... left the UK to study in CU and then go back home during the holidays.

My father graduated from the University of Ibadan BTW and is still a champion of private education. He knows how many times they had to run to Ago Iwoye just because cultist where either attacking indigenes or oba was busy shooting students.

According to THE, CU has 0% international students and UI has 1%. Although, I don't know them by their names, it still shows more international students prefer UI. I'm aware of this but would still choose international exposure for my kids above anything else. The exposure Unilag gave opened my eyes to see the possibility of what could be abroad.

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by HigherEd: 3:15pm On Nov 30, 2019
ThreeBlackBird:


According to THE, CU have 0% international students and UI has 1%. Although, I don't know them by their names, it still shows more international students prefer UI. I'm aware of this but would still choose international exposure for my kids above anything else. The exposure Unilag gave opened my eyes to see the possibility of what could be abroad.
You are funny. Let me explain why UI has international students.
These international students are studying Yoruba Language, Igbo or Hausa. The very courses private universities wouldn't offer. No white person is going to come here to study medicine or engineering for now.

Exposure ko Implosion ni grin

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by Degis(m): 3:41pm On Nov 30, 2019
ThreeBlackBird:


I recently graduated from university of Lagos sir and if my father could turn back the hands of time, I'll rather remain at home than go to a private university. BTW, which unversity did he graduate from? My children would go abroad but if at all they'd study in Nigeria, it would be UI or UNILAG.

Thank you for being civil. It is a rare trait on these streets. You will go far and become useful to your parents in Jesus mighty name

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by Nobody: 3:41pm On Nov 30, 2019
HigherEd:

You are funny. Let me explain why UI has international students.
These international students are studying Yoruba Language, Igbo or Hausa. The very courses private universities wouldn't offer. No white person is going to come here to study medicine or engineering for now.

Exposure ko Implosion ni grin

grin

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by edoairways: 7:59pm On Nov 30, 2019
CodeTemplar:
Good one. You can't rig statistics forever. The private uni aren't what their insecure public uni rivals have painted them as.
Envy and jealousy by graduate from most public universities are responsible for such perception. Stereotype view and illogical thinking had made many to think differently because they didn't achieve such
Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by edoairways: 8:06pm On Nov 30, 2019
But in all seriousness, I hope it is time we put an end to the reckless derision and query on the value of degrees obtained at Private Universities
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Op this is what you want to achieve no doubt about that however there are issues that hasn't been resolved yet by many private universities; One of such issue is freedom. Imagine some private universities having time to sleep
Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by edoairways: 8:09pm On Nov 30, 2019
Ejusni:



Guy I don't have energy to throw insults and argue, just do and graduate and enter the Nigerian labour market with your private certificate and come and tell me how far.
That has changed now, employers are not interested in where you graduated from except those who have ancient and archaic thinking

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Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by edoairways: 8:12pm On Nov 30, 2019
That dude graduated with a 2.1 at Babcock but first class at law school because he made extra effort. Probably if am to judge your write up,Babcock should be asked to review his script and score.
Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by edoairways: 8:20pm On Nov 30, 2019
Ejusni:


That's what they all say.
That is the reality. Most private firm aren't bothered where their job applicant graduate from. They consider what they have to offer to the firm instead of relying on mere certificate or university. That era of selecting applicants from certain universities especially from public universities has ended.
Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by Marcelo290(m): 11:23pm On Nov 30, 2019
I think this argument has been over beaten.

HigherEd, I've followed your assertions for a long while and I try to see things from your view because I understand you attended a private university. In as much as I would like to sound objective, I can't help but entangle myself in the bias and emphasize what most public University graduates had been reiterating for so long. Perhaps, it could be because I attended one the first generation public universities myself and I know the fierce competition we faced right from the point of entry, to graduation. That competition is a requisite ingredient for survival in the real world because it brings out the best in people. The truth remains that apart from Covenant, Afe Babalota, Backcock and a few others, the rest of private universities in Nigeria are advanced and overated secondary schools. Their graduates are actually half baked as compared to their counterparts. That is a fact.

A university is for me, and in fact in the real sense, is where you are meant to garner a wide range of experience. I can't exhaust everything but that freedom is important. The choices you make sorely depends on you and you take full responsibility for whatever the outcome may be.

I'm not denying the fact that private universities have it's good sides. At least issues of missing results, cult clash and pressure on facilities are reduced.

But the mere fact that most people who go to private universities were those who couldn't get into the public universities (especially the renowned ones) further trumps the argument. People in the private universities aren't allowed to live up to their full potentials. Many still engage in these vices, albeit, in secrecy.

In conclusion, to produce a full fledged graduate with wide range of experience about the intricate realities of life, I would recommend a public university. But on the other hand, I won't deride those who attended private schools. I've also met smart guys from there which is why I emphasize on individuality.

But again, sending my kids to either private or public or even outside the country depends on me having the means.
Re: Mudashir Abiru: The Death Of The Private Vs Public University Debate by edoairways: 1:11pm On Dec 01, 2019
Marcelo290:
I think this argument has been over beaten.

HigherEd, I've followed your assertions for a long while and I try to see things from your view because I understand you attended a private university. In as much as I would like to sound objective, I can't help but entangle myself in the bias and emphasize what most public University graduates had been reiterating for so long. Perhaps, it could be because I attended one the first generation public universities myself and I know the fierce competition we faced right from the point of entry, to graduation. That competition is a requisite ingredient for survival in the real world because it brings out the best in people. The truth remains that apart from Covenant, Afe Babalota, Backcock and a few others, the rest of private universities in Nigeria are advanced and overated secondary schools. Their graduates are actually half baked as compared to their counterparts. That is a fact.

A university is for me, and in fact in the real sense, is where you are meant to garner a wide range of experience. I can't exhaust everything but that freedom is important. The choices you make sorely depends on you and you take full responsibility for whatever the outcome may be.

I'm not denying the fact that private universities have it's good sides. At least issues of missing results, cult clash and pressure on facilities are reduced.

[b]But the mere fact that most people who go to private universities were those who couldn't get into the public universities (especially the renowned ones) further trumps the argument. [/b]People in the private universities aren't allowed to live up to their full potentials. Many still engage in these vices, albeit, in secrecy.

In conclusion, to produce a full fledged graduate with wide range of experience about the intricate realities of life, I would recommend a public university. But on the other hand, I won't deride those who attended private schools. I've also met smart guys from there which is why I emphasize on individuality.

But again, sending my kids to either private or public or even outside the country depends on me having the means.

You were writing well when you suddenly came up with up unjustifiable prove. The bolded is a fat lie from the pit of hell. Don't rely on hearsay to conclude rather investigate properly.

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