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Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by gregyboy(m): 7:36pm On Dec 07, 2019
In the war between Uzea and Benin in the 16th Century when Ozolua was Oba of Benin, two then very powerful and competing monarchs lost their lives. Onojie of Uzea was beheaded and the model of the bust of his head is cast and preserved in the Benin Museum till date. As a reprisal, the soldiers of the slain Onojie of Uzea went after the Oba and killed him at Uromi. This version is supported by Dr Okogie’s account.

A Benin version by Professor Egharevba, has it, understandably out of pride preservation, that it was not the Uzea or Uromi warriors that killed Ozolua but the betrayal of Ozolua own soldiers who were weary of the many wars of Ozolua. Bottomline was that Oba Ozolua was killed and buried in Esanland.

The original word, after the death of Ozolua, was “Esan Gbe Edo” meaning “Esan defeated Benin”. This even became family names and lasted for many years until Benins restored diplomatic relationship with Esans when they needed the Esan war machines to conquer their enemies and acquire new lands overseas (across the Benin river, note that Benin were hitherto forbidden to cross the sea out of Benin City for fear of slaves excaping) in the reign of Oba Orhogbua who had Esan connections (It is believed his mother was Esan) and used Esan, mostly Uromi/Uzea, warriors and sailors in his expansionists campaigns overseas (Delta, Akure, Eko and Dahomey).

You will notice that although it is said that Benin conquered and founded Lagos in the time of Orhogbua, but the soldiers who actually did the founding of Lagos were led by Generals Isidahomey and Agba of Uromi and mostly Esan and Urhobo soldiers raising the Benin flag. That explains why the socalled Edo names noticed in Lagos are actually Esan names; Eko (Lagos), Idumu (Idumagbo(Idumu-Igbon), Idumota, etc), Ogba (Garden), Eki (Yorubas later corrupted it to be Ile-Eki or Lekki which was where slaves were sold), Ido (means stones – Benins calls stones Ugbe, not Ido or Udolo – where they found rocks), and other names.

At this time, during the expansionist period of Oba Orhogbua, both Esan and Benin people decided to bury the hatchet and restore their ancient fraternity. It should be noted that in reference to Benin here, what is meant is the area where the Oba is which is today Oredo LGA. That was the Edo and all others including other areas which speak Benin language where Isi (the same as Ekpoma, Uromi, Ewu, Iguobazuwa, Orhionmwon, Ovia, owab, etc.

Then came the truce period, the Treaty of Peace, which Esan calls ‘Ukoven’, which was done and sealed by planting the Ohimi trees, what may be today at Ewohimi, and they pledged, on the Ohimi Oath, “Esan I Gbedo” meaning “Esans would no longer attack Benin”.

One thing that could be deduced here is that Esan people were warriors and mighty in battle. They however consider themselves as a part and parcel of Benin but never servants or slaves but royal part and stake holder in the development of Benin. Most Esans left Benin in the time of Ewuare whose policies were insensitive and unreasonable. The warriors in Benin and nobility left the kingdom for Ewuare to go found their own kingdoms.
Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by MetaPhysical: 10:53pm On Dec 07, 2019
gregyboy:
In the war between Uzea and Benin in the 16th Century when Ozolua was Oba of Benin, two then very powerful and competing monarchs lost their lives. Onojie of Uzea was beheaded and the model of the bust of his head is cast and preserved in the Benin Museum till date. As a reprisal, the soldiers of the slain Onojie of Uzea went after the Oba and killed him at Uromi. This version is supported by Dr Okogie’s account.

A Benin version by Professor Egharevba, has it, understandably out of pride preservation, that it was not the Uzea or Uromi warriors that killed Ozolua but the betrayal of Ozolua own soldiers who were weary of the many wars of Ozolua. Bottomline was that Oba Ozolua was killed and buried in Esanland.

The original word, after the death of Ozolua, was “Esan Gbe Edo” meaning “Esan defeated Benin”. This even became family names and lasted for many years until Benins restored diplomatic relationship with Esans when they needed the Esan war machines to conquer their enemies and acquire new lands overseas (across the Benin river, note that Benin were hitherto forbidden to cross the sea out of Benin City for fear of slaves excaping) in the reign of Oba Orhogbua who had Esan connections (It is believed his mother was Esan) and used Esan, mostly Uromi/Uzea, warriors and sailors in his expansionists campaigns overseas (Delta, Akure, Eko and Dahomey).

You will notice that although it is said that Benin conquered and founded Lagos in the time of Orhogbua, but the soldiers who actually did the founding of Lagos were led by Generals Isidahomey and Agba of Uromi and mostly Esan and Urhobo soldiers raising the Benin flag. That explains why the socalled Edo names noticed in Lagos are actually Esan names; Eko (Lagos), Idumu (Idumagbo(Idumu-Igbon), Idumota, etc), Ogba (Garden), Eki (Yorubas later corrupted it to be Ile-Eki or Lekki which was where slaves were sold), Ido (means stones – Benins calls stones Ugbe, not Ido or Udolo – where they found rocks), and other names.

At this time, during the expansionist period of Oba Orhogbua, both Esan and Benin people decided to bury the hatchet and restore their ancient fraternity. It should be noted that in reference to Benin here, what is meant is the area where the Oba is which is today Oredo LGA. That was the Edo and all others including other areas which speak Benin language where Isi (the same as Ekpoma, Uromi, Ewu, Iguobazuwa, Orhionmwon, Ovia, owab, etc.

Then came the truce period, the Treaty of Peace, which Esan calls ‘Ukoven’, which was done and sealed by planting the Ohimi trees, what may be today at Ewohimi, and they pledged, on the Ohimi Oath, “Esan I Gbedo” meaning “Esans would no longer attack Benin”.

One thing that could be deduced here is that Esan people were warriors and mighty in battle. They however consider themselves as a part and parcel of Benin but never servants or slaves but royal part and stake holder in the development of Benin. Most Esans left Benin in the time of Ewuare whose policies were insensitive and unreasonable. The warriors in Benin and nobility left the kingdom for Ewuare to go found their own kingdoms.

Seafarers, also called Canoe people, were the soldiers and sailors on the cross-water expedition undertaken by Benin Westward. There were only five Canoe people, or Seafarers in the history of Coastal Nigeria. This would mean before, and after creation of Nigeria. I list them below.

Awori
Ijebu
Ilaje
Itshekiri
Ijaw.

Any other people claiming to be on Bini war expeditions are fantasy writers.

In fact, till today there is a people in Lagos called Oloko - Seafarers! Their root is Ilaje and their story of settlement dates even further back than Oba Orogbhua reign.

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by MetaPhysical: 12:03am On Dec 08, 2019
On the issue of names in Lagos.

Idu is a prefix that is widely used in Yoruba language. I give few samples.

Idu-ro
Idu-nu
Idu-mu

These Idus are Ife lexicon. In places further South of Ife the use of Ido as prefix is common. The two- Idu and Ido are same.

Benin is a product of Ife. Its cults were also of Ife.

What is meaning of Idu/Ido in Yoruba?

It is the expression of state of being and it is relative to motion. So that when a body is at rest, relatively it is not in motion. Idu/Ido is used to express that state of inertia.

Idumota- Idu+imota
Idushagbe - Idu+ishagbe
Idutafa - Idu+utafa
Idumagbo - Idu+magbo
Idumoyinbo - Idu+oyinbo
Iduoluwo - Idu+oluwo
Iduganran - Idu+iganran


Each of these locations were the resting places of cult shrines.

Idushagbe for instance was the shrine temple of Ogboni cult and houses a particular covenant of Malaki and Ejilu, two principals of Orisha Adimu.


Idumoyinbo was a later addition and when a shrine was created after invasion of Lagos by white colonialists.

These shrine centers became settlements and communities with time. Nowadays no one even associates them as cult settlements originally.

This practice of travelling with cults for settlement is not unique to Benin settlers in Lagos. The firat settlers, and original owners, the Aworis have a similar trajectory after they left Ife. They built shrines for their cults in Lagos. One of them is Elegba. When you hear Ojuelegba you take it to be a metro community, but in its origin it was a shrine center where the Awori priest would go to pay homage to Elegba.


We origins of Lagos have kept quiet for too long and allowed foreigners to lay stupendous and fabulous claims to a city from where your captured forefathers were bound into ships and ported out. Now we have to listen to descendants of slaves tell us they own Lagos. Thats an error, Lagos was a market that sold Esan forefathers off into slavery.

As long Im here Im going to fight you guys back from your frivolous bullshytes.

Benin is the only class with footprints in Lagos, and itself a scion of Ife Kings.

Edo and Esan bullshytes should be directed Eastward into the jungle of Iboland....you will find your connections there.

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by gregyboy(m): 12:50am On Dec 08, 2019
MetaPhysical:
On the issue of names in Lagos.

Idu is a prefix that is widely used in Yoruba language. I give few samples.

Idu-ro
Idu-nu
Idu-mu

These Idus are Ife lexicon. In places further South of Ife the use of Ido as prefix is common. The two- Idu and Ido are same.

Benin is a product of Ife. Its cults were also of Ife.

What is meaning of Idu/Ido in Yoruba?

It is the expression of state of being and it is relative to motion. So that when a body is at rest, relatively it is not in motion. Idu/Ido is used to express that state of inertia.

Idumota- Idu+imota
Idushagbe - Idu+ishagbe
Idutafa - Idu+utafa
Idumagbo - Idu+magbo
Idumoyinbo - Idu+oyinbo
Iduoluwo - Idu+oluwo
Iduganran - Idu+iganran


Each of these locations were the resting places of cult shrines.

Idushagbe for instance was the shrine temple of Ogboni cult and houses a particular covenant of Malaki and Ejilu, two principals of Orisha Adimu.


Idumoyinbo was a later addition and when a shrine was created after invasion of Lagos by white colonialists.

These shrine centers became settlements and communities with time. Nowadays no one even associates them as cult settlements originally.

This practice of travelling with cults for settlement is not unique to Benin settlers in Lagos. The firat settlers, and original owners, the Aworis have a similar trajectory after they left Ife. They built shrines for their cults in Lagos. One of them is Elegba. When you hear Ojuelegba you take it to be a metro community, but in its origin it was a shrine center where the Awori priest would go to pay homage to Elegba.


We origins of Lagos have kept quiet for too long and allowed foreigners to lay stupendous and fabulous claims to a city from where your captured forefathers were bound into ships and ported out. Now we have to listen to descendants of slaves tell us they own Lagos. Thats an error, Lagos was a market that sold Esan forefathers off into slavery.

As long Im here Im going to fight you guys back from your frivolous bullshytes.

Benin is the only class with footprints in Lagos, and itself a scion of Ife Kings.

Edo and Esan bullshytes should be directed Eastward into the jungle of Iboland....you will find your connections there.





Haha....no need to argue ...

The post had said it all

Idumota = center of road
Eki= market

No matter how you try to twist it history cant be written we will continue telling the truth on the history and it pains you so much we minorites ruled over western yoruba....
Then try to make a better history for yourself while you guys have the upper hand....
The size of your population does not matter..in achieving greatness
We ruled over ife and the entire yorubas

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by MetaPhysical: 1:40am On Dec 08, 2019
gregyboy:


Haha....no need to argue ...

The post had said it all

Idumota = center of road
Eki= market

No matter how you try to twist it history cant be written we will continue telling the truth on the history and it pains you so much we minorites ruled over western yoruba....
Then try to make a better history for yourself while you guys have the upper hand....
The size of your population does not matter..in achieving greatness
We ruled over ife and the entire yorubas

You failed to articulate the history and its roots that places Esan or Edo as having footprint in Lagos.

If you have such history of fact please share here.

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by gregyboy(m): 1:48am On Dec 08, 2019
MetaPhysical:


You failed to articulate the history and its roots that places Esan or Edo as having footprint in Lagos.

If you have such history of fact please share here.


Its all in the post if you will open your mind to see...the post was not wriiten by me but
Edo historian i didn't plan to cause any debate but to show the benin- esan relationship
So if you're taking it for debate ...
Because the article simply said the truth then you could bring evidence that edo never influence lagos

Mind you i have seen an ondo lady ,who speaks Yoruba and i ask if she is yoruba she said no that she is benin that her ancestors migrated to ondo before pre colonial era but they still retain thier benin greetings to show they are edos

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by MetaPhysical: 6:09am On Dec 08, 2019
gregyboy:



Its all in the post if you will open your mind to see...the post was not wriiten by me but
Edo historian i didn't plan to cause any debate but to show the benin- esan relationship
So if you're taking it for debate ...
Because the article simply said the truth then you could bring evidence that edo never influence lagos

Mind you i have seen an ondo lady ,who speaks Yoruba and i ask if she is yoruba she said no that she is benin that her ancestors migrated to ondo before pre colonial era but they still retain thier benin greetings to show they are edos

I dont care what your source is.

Let's start with the first lie....that Esan was an amphibian force and played major role in aiding of Oba of Benin in the conquest of Lagos.

I say Esan was never a seafarer. So how did you become a naval force...much more an amphibious attack unit waging war across waterways?


Clarify your position on Esan being a naval force before we discuss anything else.

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by gregyboy(m): 9:30am On Dec 08, 2019
MetaPhysical:


I dont care what your source is.

Let's start with the first lie....that Esan was an amphibian force and played major role in aiding of Oba of Benin in the conquest of Lagos.

I say Esan was never a seafarer. So how did you become a naval force...much more an amphibious attack unit waging war across waterways?


Clarify your position on Esan being a naval force before we discuss anything else.


Hmm is like you are asking how did the edo migrate to present day delta state and how they managed to crooss the river ,is like you are also asking how edo fought the igalas and how they crossed the river niger,

Nigga take a chill pill if edos didnt make boat they could buy boat or canoe from people who did....
And they could also use spiritual means to calm the water for easy passing
The edo people were very conversant with the europeans who brought boat at thier arrival so i wonder with all this you still asking....
The itsekiris were part of the benin empire and they produce most of benin war equipment the flags ,boat ,canoe
Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by MetaPhysical: 3:23pm On Dec 08, 2019
gregyboy:



Hmm is like you are asking how did the edo migrate to present day delta state and how they managed to crooss the river ,is like you are also asking how edo fought the igalas and how they crossed the river niger,

Nigga take a chill pill if edos didnt make boat they could buy boat or canoe from people who did....
And they could also use spiritual means to calm the water for easy passing
The edo people were very conversant with the europeans who brought boat at thier arrival so i wonder with all this you still asking....
The itsekiris were part of the benin empire and they produce most of benin war equipment the flags ,boat ,canoe

Gregyboy,
You are even committing more blunders in your attempt to give clarifications.

Let me do this, i dont want to stress you, so I will ask you to bring both Esan and Edo people who know thoroughly the history of the coast to come and defend lies put up there by the author. I understand you were planning this to be a series. Part I is already controversial. Be clear before posting more parts.


Let me also use the opportunity now to correct you that Itsekiri Kingdom was not part of Benin Kingdom. Each was an independent Kingdom.

Itsekiriland was settled by Ijebus many centuries ago. Their Monarch now is a dynasty from Benin. Their story is similar to Lagos, settled by Aworis.

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by Chidorx60(m): 4:40pm On Dec 08, 2019
MetaPhysical:


Gregyboy,
You are even committing more blunders in your attempt to give clarifications.

Let me do this, i dont want to stress you, so I will ask you to bring both Esan and Edo people who know thoroughly the history of the coast to come and defend lies put up there by the author. I understand you were planning this to be a series. Part I is already controversial. Be clear before posting more parts.


Let me also use the opportunity now to correct you that Itsekiri Kingdom was not part of Benin Kingdom. Each was an independent Kingdom.

Itsekiriland was settled by Ijebus many centuries ago. Their Monarch now is a dynasty from Benin. Their story is similar to Lagos, settled by Aworis.
The issue of seafaring is easy to clarify the benins never really practiced navigation as an independent art....Oba Orhogbua was a master sea farer he learnt this art not from the crude implements of the itshekiris but from the masters of the sea at that era of time fro. The Portuguese it is well documented how Oba Orghobua travelled to lesbon Portugal to learn the art of sea travel and even returned with Christianity which he later had to choose between the throne.... The Oba choose the throne and taught his people how to navigate the rivers....so I hope u now get how Benin conquered her neighbours who were over riverine areas..........

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by gregyboy(m): 4:58pm On Dec 08, 2019
MetaPhysical:


Gregyboy,
You are even committing more blunders in your attempt to give clarifications.

Let me do this, i dont want to stress you, so I will ask you to bring both Esan and Edo people who know thoroughly the history of the coast to come and defend lies put up there by the author. I understand you were planning this to be a series. Part I is already controversial. Be clear before posting more parts.


Let me also use the opportunity now to correct you that Itsekiri Kingdom was not part of Benin Kingdom. Each was an independent Kingdom.

Itsekiriland was settled by Ijebus many centuries ago. Their Monarch now is a dynasty from Benin. Their story is similar to Lagos, settled by Aworis.


Itsekeris was not part of benin kingdom but its kingship is benin ....
Are you not fighting yourself on this statement


You're trying so hard to twist history you will only end up biting yourself....

I gave you so many instance were Benin could migrate over seas buy instead you re still fighting yourself to the extent you said itsekiris were not part of benin kingdom

Are you aware the oba of benin requested a very powerful son of olu of itsekiris to reconquer akure....and the oba gave the son a land in benin as gift after the war
Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by MetaPhysical: 9:09pm On Dec 08, 2019
Chidorx60:

The issue of seafaring is easy to clarify the benins never really practiced navigation as an independent art....Oba Orhogbua was a master sea farer he learnt this art not from the crude implements of the itshekiris but from the masters of the sea at that era of time fro. The Portuguese it is well documented how Oba Orghobua travelled to lesbon Portugal to learn the art of sea travel and even returned with Christianity which he later had to choose between the throne.... The Oba choose the throne and taught his people how to navigate the rivers....so I hope u now get how Benin conquered her neighbours who were over riverine areas..........

grin grin grin

I hope Binis reading this nonsense slap you for debasing their monarch that he went to acquire a skill typically reserved for guilds sworn to service under the sword of the throne. Orogbuha reigned in the 1600s. I hope you know that. Even his chiefs will not bring themselves low to acquire skill on paddling canoes. You dey craze to think i be mumu you can just tell fables. angry

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by MetaPhysical: 9:23pm On Dec 08, 2019
gregyboy:



Itsekeris was not part of benin kingdom but its kingship is benin ....
Are you not fighting yourself on this statement


You're trying so hard to twist history you will only end up biting yourself....

I gave you so many instance were Benin could migrate over seas buy instead you re still fighting yourself to the extent you said itsekiris were not part of benin kingdom

Are you aware the oba of benin requested a very powerful son of olu of itsekiris to reconquer akure....and the oba gave the son a land in benin as gift after the war


Im very clear on what im saying. You have problem with grammar and word usage.

When you say Itsekiri is part of Bini Kingdom, you are giving the idea that Bini is the overlord of Itsekiri.

If thats not what you mean then use proper expressions to communicate ideas and stop mumbling.

All traditionally sword bearing monarchs take their root from Ile Ife. They are all dynasties of Oduduwa.

Some of them also have spin offs but majority are "independent".

Independence means, politically, they are not part of their parent dynasty....even when fraternally they are a single blood line.

So express your ideas with clarity, not the nonsense you have been writing about Esan and Edo piloting war boats or Itsekiri being part of Bini.

Olu Itsekiri is bloodline of Omo n'Oba who in turn is bloodline of Ooni....but each is independent of the other.

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by gregyboy(m): 9:40pm On Dec 08, 2019
MetaPhysical:



Im very clear on what im saying. You have problem with grammar and word usage.

When you say Itsekiri is part of Bini Kingdom, you are giving the idea that Bini is the overlord of Itsekiri.

If thats not what you mean then use proper expressions to communicate ideas and stop mumbling.

All traditionally sword bearing monarchs take their root from Ile Ife. They are all dynasties of Oduduwa.

Some of them also have spin offs but majority are "independent".

Independence means, politically, they are not part of their parent dynasty....even when fraternally they are a single blood line.

So express your ideas with clarity, not the nonsense you have been writing about Esan and Edo piloting war boats or Itsekiri being part of Bini.

Olu Itsekiri is bloodline of Omo n'Oba who in turn is bloodline of Ooni....but each is independent of the other.


Ooni is from the bllodline of omo n oba
Benin ruled over itsekiri and the monarch is of benin hereditary so stop fighting yourself....
The itsekiri lend benins is warrior during war and paid tribute to Benin...

So what are trying to prove here

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by MetaPhysical: 9:44pm On Dec 08, 2019
gregyboy:


Ooni is from the bllodline of omo n oba
Benin ruled over itsekiri and the monarch is of benin hereditary so stop fighting yourself....
The itsekiri lend benins is warrior during war and paid tribute to Benin...

So what are trying to prove here

Does Itsekiri pay tribute to Bini?

Dont just answer, attach good reference to your response.

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by gregyboy(m): 9:53pm On Dec 08, 2019
MetaPhysical:


Does Itsekiri pay tribute to Bini?

Dont just answer, attach good reference to your response.

Yes...and you wouldn't make go and search out for you and after doing that you will endup claiming is edo source and not itsekiri source of info....

Go and do the research yourself....

And even if the itsekiris didnt have Any connection with Benin monarchy free trade
Btween both party would allow itsekiris trade canoes to edos and even serves as edo sailor's.....
Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by MetaPhysical: 10:24pm On Dec 08, 2019
gregyboy:


Yes...and you wouldn't make go and search out for you and after doing that you will endup claiming is edo source and not itsekiri source of info....

Go and do the research yourself....

And even if the itsekiris didnt have Any connection with Benin monarchy free trade
Btween both party would allow itsekiris trade canoes to edos and even serves as edo sailor's.....

It doesnt exist!

I have read up on the politics of Bini River and everything recorded by colonists and even slave traders. I didnt just say what i did in absense of a thoroughly reviewed history. I know the history of every coastal people from Badagry to Warri, because I have an interest and as a passionately patriotic Yoruba, a responsibility to know my region and its territories thoroughly.

There is nothing any of you guys in mid south can talk here about the sea coast that is foreign to my ears.

When Britain was trying to establish indirect rule they studied relationship between Olu and OmonOba. Itsekiri was ahead of Bini in economic dominance because of advantage of the river. Itsekiri was the gateway to interior. Like I said, their origin was Ijebu.

In Yorubaland Ijebu showed Egba and Ibadan pepper over trade access to the coast. Ijebu monopolized the waters and created blockades...and it took wars to finally get them to yield, even upon that they still stubbornly tolled the waters.

Ijebu and Itsekiri are the leading seafarers and naval force in history of coastal people. Awori, Ilaje and Ijaw used the sea strictly for commerce.

This may explain why in all its expeditions Bini never tried Ijebu.

Also, the name Edo itself was given by Yoruba. The people we call Edo today were ancestrally not Edo people.

I refer you back to top where I mentioned that Idu originated from Ife. Picture Ife as the center....

North, South, West, East of Ife
...Idu changes and become
Ido
Odo
Ado
Edo

Odo Ogbolu
Odo Oya
Idogushi
Ado
Ondo
Edo

The term Edo itself is authentic Yoruba word. As I earlier said Idu is always relative. When in stillness it is Idu, Ido, Edo, Ado, when in motion it is Odo. For instance a town named Ado Odo - the settling of Orisha by the river bank. Ado Ekiti - the settling of Orisha by the valley. The pronounciation and its form changes based on dialect but the sense and phenomenon remains constant and uniform across anywhere a Yoruba Orisha settles. We are Orisha people, our destiny is defined by it and so it is a reference in everything we do.

I encourage you to read deeply into the relationship between Itsekiri and Bini. The two monarchs are bloodline but completely separate and independent authorities and control....Bini has no political authority over the Olu's throne.

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by MetaPhysical: 10:28pm On Dec 08, 2019
gregyboy:


Yes...and you wouldn't make go and search out for you and after doing that you will endup claiming is edo source and not itsekiri source of info....

Go and do the research yourself....

And even if the itsekiris didnt have Any connection with Benin monarchy free trade
Btween both party would allow itsekiris trade canoes to edos and even serves as edo sailor's.....


This in fact happened!

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by Olu317(m): 10:50pm On Dec 08, 2019
MetaPhysical:


It doesnt exist!

I have read up on the politics of Bini River and everything recorded by colonists and even slave traders. I didnt just say what i did in absense of a thoroughly reviewed history. I know the history of every coastal people from Badagry to Warri, because I have an interest and as a passionately patriotic Yoruba, a responsibility to know my region and its territories thoroughly.

There is nothing any of you guys in mid south can talk here about the sea coast that is foreign to my ears.

When Britain was trying to establish indirect rule they studied relationship between Olu and OmonOba. Itsekiri was ahead of Bini in economic dominance because of advantage of the river. Itsekiri was the gateway to interior. Like I said, their origin was Ijebu.

In Yorubaland Ijebu showed Egba and Ibadan pepper over trade access to the coast. Ijebu monopolized the waters and created blockades...and it took wars to finally get them to yield, even upon that they still stubbornly tolled the waters.

Ijebu and Itsekiri are the leading seafarers and naval force in history of coastal people. Awori, Ilaje and Ijaw used the sea strictly for commerce.

This may explain why in all its expeditions Bini never tried Ijebu.

Also, the name Edo itself was given by Yoruba. The people we call Edo today were ancestrally not Edo people.

I refer you back to top where I mentioned that Idu originated from Ife. Picture Ife as the center....

North, South, West, East of Ife
...Idu changes and become
Ido
Odo
Ado
Edo

Odo Ogbolu
Odo Oya
Idogushi
Ado
Ondo
Edo

The term Edo itself is authentic Yoruba word. As I earlier said Idu is always relative. When in stillness it is Idu, Ido, Edo, Ado, when in motion it is Odo. For instance a town named Ado Odo - the settling of Orisha by the river bank. Ado Ekiti - the settling of Orisha by the valley. The pronounciation and its form changes based on dialect but the sense and phenomenon remains constant and uniform across anywhere a Yoruba Orisha settles. We are Orisha people, our destiny is defined by it and so it is a reference in everything we do.

I encourage you to read deeply into the relationship between Itsekiri and Bini. The two monarchs are bloodline but completely separate and independent authorities and control....Bini has no political authority over the Olu's throne.
Kindly do some study on some Gbe people, Gun, Hausa with whiskers scarification, Nupe and Igodomigodo's mixed up language which aren't Yoruba's. I assure, that you will be amazed.

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by Chidorx60(m): 11:07pm On Dec 08, 2019
MetaPhysical:


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I hope Binis reading this nonsense slap you for debasing their monarch that he went to acquire a skill typically reserved for guilds sworn to service under the sword of the throne. Orogbuha reigned in the 1600s. I hope you know that. Even his chiefs will not bring themselves low to acquire skill on paddling canoes. You dey craze to think i be mumu you can just tell fables. angry
Hmmm....Orhogubua did not go to lesbon for the sole purpose of learning sea faring he went there as an ambassador while he was still a Prince...he learnt the purtuageas language and was educated and even became a practicing Catholic .....I am telling u plain history..not all of us are so jobless to find time to come to nairaland to post something we guessed or made up..Orhogubua learnt sea faring and was very much in love with the art that he returned with it to Benin.
....and oga ....don't give me the impression that you are an immature preteen who cannot discuss about educative matters without abusing a fellow..I did not say anything to warrant insults from u so pls respect yourself.

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by WhoRUDeceiving: 12:39am On Dec 09, 2019
Bini Kingdom, so very great indeed....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1LX9D6ivBI
Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by MetaPhysical: 1:03am On Dec 09, 2019
Olu317:
Kindly do some study on some Gbe people, Gun, Hausa with whiskers scarification, Nupe and Igodomigodo's mixed up language which aren't Yoruba's. I assure, that you will be amazed.

Olu, how u dey?

In reference to what?
Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by MetaPhysical: 1:23am On Dec 09, 2019
Chidorx60:

Hmmm....Orhogubua did not go to lesbon for the sole purpose of learning sea faring he went there as an ambassador while he was still a Prince...he learnt the purtuageas language and was educated and even became a practicing Catholic .....I am telling u plain history..not all of us are so jobless to find time to come to nairaland to post something we guessed or made up..Orhogubua learnt sea faring and was very much in love with the art that he returned with it to Benin.
....and oga ....don't give me the impression that you are an immature preteen who cannot discuss about educative matters without abusing a fellow..I did not say anything to warrant insults from u so pls respect yourself.

Orogbhua going to Portugal or Spain for training is nothing unique.

King Eshilokun sent Oshodi, his slave, to Portugal to learn trade and the language. King Kosoko had three of his children in an academy in Brazil. A young prince of Oyo who led war against Dahomey and became prisoner of war was mistakenly sold off with slaves to Bahia. When the error was discovered he was accorded privileges and enrolled in school in Brazil.

There is nothing unique in a king or prince, or as in the case of a slave, Oshodi, taking studies in Portugal or Spain or acting as an Ambassador for the seat of power back home.

What is strange in your story is that a royal prince voluntarily took to seafaring.

If Orogbuha was a prince at the time it must have been in 1500s.

In 1500, do you know the class of people normally recruited into seafaring? That will be the equivalent of people like M.C.Oluomo today. Risk takers and bullies willing to face off with pirates. Are you saying the future king of Bini voluntarily went into a trade reserved for artisans? Such ranks are below his Priests, below his Chiefs, below his Warriors.

When you see materials on a subject, you have the discretion to evaluate its value, however much it sounds in sweetness.

Im sure it is sweet to say Bini King went abroad and he went on a boat....and the journey impressed his mind that he commissioned sailors to train his men how to steer and operate canoes. This would make sense.

But when you put the future king in same class doing same class of work that, sometimes, felons are recruited to do....you commit great blasphemy against the nobility of Bini King.

Watch yourself!

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by Chidorx60(m): 7:16am On Dec 09, 2019
MetaPhysical:


Orogbhua going to Portugal or Spain for training is nothing unique.

King Eshilokun sent Oshodi, his slave, to Portugal to learn trade and the language. King Kosoko had three of his children in an academy in Brazil. A young prince of Oyo who led war against Dahomey and became prisoner of war was mistakenly sold off with slaves to Bahia. When the error was discovered he was accorded privileges and enrolled in school in Brazil.

There is nothing unique in a king or prince, or as in the case of a slave, Oshodi, taking studies in Portugal or Spain or acting as an Ambassador for the seat of power back home.

What is strange in your story is that a royal prince voluntarily took to seafaring.

If Orogbuha was a prince at the time it must have been in 1500s.

In 1500, do you know the class of people normally recruited into seafaring? That will be the equivalent of people like M.C.Oluomo today. Risk takers and bullies willing to face off with pirates. Are you saying the future king of Bini voluntarily went into a trade reserved for artisans? Such ranks are below his Priests, below his Chiefs, below his Warriors.

When you see materials on a subject, you have the discretion to evaluate its value, however much it sounds in sweetness.

Im sure it is sweet to say Bini King went abroad and he went on a boat....and the journey impressed his mind that he commissioned sailors to train his men how to steer and operate canoes. This would make sense.

But when you put the future king in same class doing same class of work that, sometimes, felons are recruited to do....you commit great blasphemy against the nobility of Bini King.

Watch yourself!

the prince went to Portugal as an ambassador and whether or not the art of seafaring was reserved for thoes of lower rank...Orhugubha saw this as something lacking in his own country and returned with this .....if you know Benin history well u will recall that Oba Esigie the Oba before Orhugbua was obsessed with the European culture and imposed it on the people even building churches all over Benin his reforms prompted the travel of Orhugbua to learn the acts of the Portuguese.....this acts of Esigie led to the removal of that stigma of a Benin man going out to learn from the whites.....Because if Esigie could favour Christianity over the cultural idolatry then seafaring is quite a small matter........Orhugbua after becoming the Oba gave up Christianity... But held tightly to Seafaring....infact bro...it is well stated that Orhugbua was one of the first to really break that traditional of leaving the palace because he was always at sea.....and hilariouras as it sounds if you think its demeaning to say that the Oba did this.....don't query me because its the truth and I don't see why an art that led to the conquest of territories for Benin should be a thing of shame......or better still find a way to argue this with UmOgun NOba
And one more thing sir...common sense will tell u that even at the Orhugbua time at sea he was still greatly revered and well attended to ......don't forget that Orhugbua was exposed to white culture and might have been much more liberal in his dealings with his people.......An example was How Orhugbua refused to pronounce the death penalty on some offenders when he had the power to ...but instead subjected them to labour....so don't give me that talk of not respecting the Benin throne... Because even as a christian I still respect my culture and the throne as long as it doesn't coincides with my beliefs....

Oba ghator kpieeee!!!
Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by MetaPhysical: 7:44am On Dec 09, 2019
Chidorx60:
the prince went to Portugal as an ambassador and whether or not the art of seafaring was reserved for thoes of lower rank...Orhugubha saw this as something lacking in his own country and returned with this .....if you know Benin history well u will recall that Oba Esigie the Oba before Orhugbua was obsessed with the European culture and imposed it on the people even building churches all over Benin his reforms prompted the travel of Orhugbua to learn the acts of the Portuguese.....this acts of Esigie led to the removal of that stigma of a Benin man going out to learn from the whites.....Because if Esigie could favour Christianity over the cultural idolatry then seafaring is quite a small matter........Orhugbua after becoming the Oba gave up Christianity... But held tightly to Seafaring....infact bro...it is well stated that Orhugbua was one of the first to really break that traditional of leaving the palace because he was always at sea.....and hilariouras as it sounds if you think its demeaning to say that the Oba did this.....don't query me because its the truth and I don't see why an art that led to the conquest of territories for Benin should be a thing of shame......or better still find a way to argue this with UmOgun NOba
And one more thing sir...common sense will tell u that even at the Orhugbua time at sea he was still greatly revered and well attended to ......don't forget that Orhugbua was exposed to white culture and might have been much more liberal in his dealings with his people.......An example was How Orhugbua refused to pronounce the death penalty on some offenders when he had the power to ...but instead subjected them to labour....so don't give me that talk of not respecting the Benin throne... Because even as a christian I still respect my culture and the throne as long as it doesn't coincides with my beliefs....

Oba ghator kpieeee!!!

I read what you wrote. This is how slaves think!

Do you have a prince that wants to learn driving trailer? We will attach him to NURTW so he can bring that skill back to Benin for you all.

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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by Chidorx60(m): 7:50am On Dec 09, 2019
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Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by Chidorx60(m): 7:50am On Dec 09, 2019
MetaPhysical:


I read what you wrote. This is how slaves think!

Do you have a prince that wants to learn driving trailer? We will attach him to NURTW so he can bring that skill back to Benin for you all.
....well all I have written down is nothing but history.....so what you think about me personally doesn't matter..
If you feel that the life that Orhugbua lived wasn't up to the standards of the king you want..thats not my fault you can argue that with OmoN`Oba if you see him....have a nice day
Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by gregyboy(m): 9:49am On Dec 09, 2019
MetaPhysical:


It doesnt exist!

I have read up on the politics of Bini River and everything recorded by colonists and even slave traders. I didnt just say what i did in absense of a thoroughly reviewed history. I know the history of every coastal people from Badagry to Warri, because I have an interest and as a passionately patriotic Yoruba, a responsibility to know my region and its territories thoroughly.

There is nothing any of you guys in mid south can talk here about the sea coast that is foreign to my ears.

When Britain was trying to establish indirect rule they studied relationship between Olu and OmonOba. Itsekiri was ahead of Bini in economic dominance because of advantage of the river. Itsekiri was the gateway to interior. Like I said, their origin was Ijebu.

In Yorubaland Ijebu showed Egba and Ibadan pepper over trade access to the coast. Ijebu monopolized the waters and created blockades...and it took wars to finally get them to yield, even upon that they still stubbornly tolled the waters.

Ijebu and Itsekiri are the leading seafarers and naval force in history of coastal people. Awori, Ilaje and Ijaw used the sea strictly for commerce.

This may explain why in all its expeditions Bini never tried Ijebu.

Also, the name Edo itself was given by Yoruba. The people we call Edo today were ancestrally not Edo people.

I refer you back to top where I mentioned that Idu originated from Ife. Picture Ife as the center....

North, South, West, East of Ife
...Idu changes and become
Ido
Odo
Ado
Edo

Odo Ogbolu
Odo Oya
Idogushi
Ado
Ondo
Edo

The term Edo itself is authentic Yoruba word. As I earlier said Idu is always relative. When in stillness it is Idu, Ido, Edo, Ado, when in motion it is Odo. For instance a town named Ado Odo - the settling of Orisha by the river bank. Ado Ekiti - the settling of Orisha by the valley. The pronounciation and its form changes based on dialect but the sense and phenomenon remains constant and uniform across anywhere a Yoruba Orisha settles. We are Orisha people, our destiny is defined by it and so it is a reference in everything we do.

I encourage you to read deeply into the relationship between Itsekiri and Bini. The two monarchs are bloodline but completely separate and independent authorities and control....Bini has no political authority over the Olu's throne.



I was believing untill you reached those part
Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by gregyboy(m): 1:55pm On Dec 09, 2019
MetaPhysical:


It doesnt exist!

I have read up on the politics of Bini River and everything recorded by colonists and even slave traders. I didnt just say what i did in absense of a thoroughly reviewed history. I know the history of every coastal people from Badagry to Warri, because I have an interest and as a passionately patriotic Yoruba, a responsibility to know my region and its territories thoroughly.

There is nothing any of you guys in mid south can talk here about the sea coast that is foreign to my ears.

When Britain was trying to establish indirect rule they studied relationship between Olu and OmonOba. Itsekiri was ahead of Bini in economic dominance because of advantage of the river. Itsekiri was the gateway to interior. Like I said, their origin was Ijebu.

In Yorubaland Ijebu showed Egba and Ibadan pepper over trade access to the coast. Ijebu monopolized the waters and created blockades...and it took wars to finally get them to yield, even upon that they still stubbornly tolled the waters.

Ijebu and Itsekiri are the leading seafarers and naval force in history of coastal people. Awori, Ilaje and Ijaw used the sea strictly for commerce.

This may explain why in all its expeditions Bini never tried Ijebu.

Also, the name Edo itself was given by Yoruba. The people we call Edo today were ancestrally not Edo people.

I refer you back to top where I mentioned that Idu originated from Ife. Picture Ife as the center....

North, South, West, East of Ife
...Idu changes and become
Ido
Odo
Ado
Edo

Odo Ogbolu
Odo Oya
Idogushi
Ado
Ondo
Edo

The term Edo itself is authentic Yoruba word. As I earlier said Idu is always relative. When in stillness it is Idu, Ido, Edo, Ado, when in motion it is Odo. For instance a town named Ado Odo - the settling of Orisha by the river bank. Ado Ekiti - the settling of Orisha by the valley. The pronounciation and its form changes based on dialect but the sense and phenomenon remains constant and uniform across anywhere a Yoruba Orisha settles. We are Orisha people, our destiny is defined by it and so it is a reference in everything we do.

I encourage you to read deeply into the relationship between Itsekiri and Bini. The two monarchs are bloodline but completely separate and independent authorities and control....Bini has no political authority over the Olu's throne.


Itsekiri was the middle men confirmed by benin historian and the itsekiris were under the benin directive economically...
And they Reverend the oba ....
Homages were paid by the itsekiris
Even before the fall of benin by the British the itsekirs informed benin to be alert
And the oba had requested for the son of olu of itsekiris to reconqure akure when his own warriors failed....
And he was given a parcel of land at ologbo...
Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by Olu317(m): 10:12am On Dec 11, 2019
MetaPhysical:


Olu, how u dey?

In reference to what?
Baba, I am fine and you?


Linguistically, In reference to Edo people and other ethnic groups that I mentioned in connection to the Edo people's ancestors and descendants who emigrated after the arrival of Yoruba people and her culture in Edoland cum Yoruba land of Ileife in Nigeria.
Re: Esan Contributions To Benin Empire.. Part 1 by davidnazee: 4:48am On Dec 14, 2019
MetaPhysical:


Gregyboy,
You are even committing more blunders in your attempt to give clarifications.

Let me do this, i dont want to stress you, so I will ask you to bring both Esan and Edo people who know thoroughly the history of the coast to come and defend lies put up there by the author. I understand you were planning this to be a series. Part I is already controversial. Be clear before posting more parts.


Let me also use the opportunity now to correct you that Itsekiri Kingdom was not part of Benin Kingdom. Each was an independent Kingdom.

Itsekiriland was settled by Ijebus many centuries ago. Their Monarch now is a dynasty from Benin. Their story is similar to Lagos, settled by Aworis.

Itsekiri was part of Great Benin Kingdom until it broke away to become an independent kingdom.
And also, many parts of Yorubaland was colonies of Benin Kingdom under Benin rule for many years.

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