khiaa:


I don't need a DNA test to tell me about my native side because I'm with them everyday. I told you that you don't know all there is to know about American/Black American history and your post proved it. Why do you assume my native side must be from some long ago intermixing?

I did not assume anything. I actually addressed that. I said the knowledge of your "native American side" is either via DNA or oral which means it passed as a result of family knowledge aka what you know or what you have seen or are around

khiaa:

My grandmother is half black American " her father" her mother is a mixture of Souix, Seminole. There were/are dark skinned Seminoles.

Again Seminoles incorporated Africans into their fold. The pigmentation of a Seminole is in tandem with other native American tribes all across the Americas which range from a light to copper to darker hue.

Therefore all shades of colors existed in the Americas before the coming of Europeans including hues that would be similar to that of Europeans and Africans.

morpheus24:


I did not assume anything. I actually addressed that. I said the knowledge of your "native American side" is either via DNA or oral which means it passed as a result of family knowledge aka what you know or what you have seen or are around



Here is where the crux of your issue is. Who are you around?, current day Seminoles who are not all dark skinned, Afro Seminoles who would have dark pigmentations from their African DNA or original 100% pure blooded Seminoles who's skin pigmentation is and was in tandem or correlates with other native tribes in and around the Americas.

Again Seminoles incorporated Africans into their fold. The pigmentation of a Seminole is in tandem with other native American tribes all across the Americas which range from a light to copper to darker hue.

Therefore again all shades of colors existed in the Americas before the coming of Europeans including hues that would be similar to that of Europeans.

Ok, you are finally getting it, the natives came in all colors including black/dark brown, therefore some were dark before integrating with the Africans.

khiaa:


Ok, you are finally getting it, the natives came in all colors including black/dark brown, therefore some were dark before merging with the Africans.

If what you are trying to say is that all your ancestors were "dark skinned" that may be the case.


This does not invalidate my statement which is technically speaking you have an admixture of Asian (same as any other light skinned Asian) and African in you regardless of skin tone and clarifies your statement about "black" people being in the Americas before the Europeans.

morpheus24:


I did not assume anything. I actually addressed that. I said the knowledge of your "native American side" is either via DNA or oral which means it passed as a result of family knowledge aka what you know or what you have seen or are around



Again Seminoles incorporated Africans into their fold. The pigmentation of a Seminole is in tandem with other native American tribes all across the Americas which range from a light to copper to darker hue.

Therefore all shades of colors existed in the Americas before the coming of Europeans including hues that would be similar to that of Europeans and Africans.

There weren't any European looking natives, they were all people of color. The "European looking"ones that exist today came about due to the *5 dollar Indian* if you don't know, google it.

khiaa:


There weren't European looking natives, they were all people of color. The "European looking"ones that exist today came about due to the *5 dollar Indian* google it.

I am aware of admixtures of Indians with Europeans, that is not where I am going.

Natives didn't look European but their skin pigmentation prior to the arrival of Europeans are pigmentations that are not foreign to Europe who also have varying degrees of color.

The below two pics are of a European(Spaniard) and a native American(eskimo)

khiaa:




You need to do more research the American history is not the whole truth, there are many lies and deceptions, one being that Christopher Columbus discovered America.

Africans had been going back and foward to America thousands of years before Christopher stepped on the continent, some even stayed and settled in America. The history of America was designed to make whites seem superior.
Morpheus 24

Columbus could have not 'discovered somewhere were people were living on already so that's nonsensical.

If you are talking about the voyages of Mansa Musa's brother there is a lot of conjecture in there.

If you are talking about other African historians and anthropologists who continue to mention Olmecs and African artifacts that were found in the Americas, those have been debunked.

morpheus24:

Columbus could have not 'discovered somewhere were people were living on already so that's nonsensical.

If you are talking about the voyages of Mansa Musa's brother there is a lot of conjecture in there.

If you are talking about other African historians and anthropologists who continue to mention Olmecs and African artifacts that were found in the Americas, those have been debunked.

We all know that someone discovering a place that is already inhabited by people is nonsense but once again that is the logic of European people who wants to claim possession of the entire Earth.

The olmecs in Mexico with undeniable African features hasn't been debunked they are real. Who is doing the debunking? Don't mentioned any debunking or conjectures given by European people because they have a lot to lose with the truth being known.

morpheus24:


I am aware of admixtures of Indians with Europeans, that is not where I am going.

Natives didn't look European but their skin pigmentation prior to the arrival of Europeans are pigmentations that are not foreign to Europe who also have varying degrees of color.

The below two pics are of a European(Spaniard) and a native American(eskimo)

When I said the 5 dollar Indian I wasn't talking about natives intermixing with whites, I was talking about deception and the ultimate appropriation of a culture for pay other than the Jewish people in Israel. Please google 5 dollar Indian's.

TimiRume:
Let's stop pretending, there is very little similarity between Africans and African americans. The only thing we have in common is our skin and shared ancestry, nothing much. They are not us, we are not them. And its okay.

Their mainstream culture is toxic and Africans copying them should learn from the long term consequences that come with such lifestyle.

AMEN, I'm Nigerian American and I can attest to that

Okpa042:
There is a huge chasm between African-Americans and African immigrants in the United States. That chasm has widened over the years. It has caused deep animosity between many African-Americans and their African immigrant cousins.

The chasm has prevented African-Americans from participating in the current economic boom in Africa and it has shut many African immigrants out of opportunities for economic advancement here in the United States.

The problem stems from deep misconceptions, sometimes fueled by the U.S. media. Astonishingly, many African-Americans believe that Africans are backward and primitive. Some make crude jokes about Africans or do not acknowledge the great contribution Africa has made to the world.

For their part, many African immigrants buy into the erroneous notion that African-Americans are lazy and violent.

They do not appreciate the great sacrifice African-Americans made, through advocating for their civil rights, to lay the foundation for Africans to be able to come to the United States and live in a country where both blacks and whites have equal rights, at least in theory if not always in practice.

The different experiences of the two groups

To understand the deep division that exists between African Americans and Africans, one first has to examine the background of the two groups.

Before migrating to the United States, most Africans have typically dealt with white Americans who went to Africa as Peace Corps volunteers, missionaries, doctors or teachers. These Americans acted as mentors and guardians to the Africans and developed positive relationships with them.

When they come to the United States, it has been my experience that Africans can easily identify with white Americans because they understand each other. Before migrating to the United States, the majority of Africans have had little to no direct negative experiences with whites. They simply do not hate them.

On the other hand, most African-Americans grew up in black neighborhoods where they learned from older generations the history of slavery and the cruelty it inflicted on the black race. Furthermore, they have usually experienced firsthand and in their communities the legacies of racism that still exist in the United States.

With this background, many African-Americans are not generally predisposed to trust white Americans, and they look down on those African immigrants who express respect or admiration for white Americans.

How they react to racism and discrimination

A fundamental difference between African Americans and African immigrants is the way they react to racism and discrimination.

African Americans usually see racism as the main cause of poverty among their people. They are also quick to point out instances of perceived racism, even in circumstances where it is ambiguous, unclear or more complex than simple racial bigotry or discrimination.

A classic example is the currently large African-American population in prison. Most African-Americans feel that the only reason there are so many African Americans incarcerated is their race. They blame police discrimination and lawmakers who make laws weighted to punish blacks.

For Africans, after suffering many years in civil wars, military coups and other problems, they are happy to be in a country that offers them freedom. They are ready to integrate into the American culture without getting involved in the lingering racial conflicts. They do not typically get involved in the ongoing civil rights struggle – and that has angered many African-Americans.

How they react to adversity

Perhaps the greatest difference I have seen between African immigrants and African-Americans is how they react to adversity.

Most African immigrants to the United States came here for economic advancement. They do not have any political agenda. They are willing to take any job and do not blame the “system” when they fail in their endeavors.

Most African immigrants to the United States often live in mixed neighborhoods instead of black neighborhoods and they easily integrate. African immigrants know who they are. They are not easily offended when someone tries to put them down. They know where they come from and why they are here.

For African-Americans, there is often a tendency to blame slavery for most of the problems they face today. For instance, when African American students fail in school, some educators blame slavery and do not look for other factors.

However, the time has come for African Americans to realize that while racism still persists, the best thing they can do for their children is to teach them to take full responsibility for their actions. Fathers need to take care of their children and young women need to stay in school instead of having children.

It is only when black people, be they from Africa or America, unite to instill discipline and respect for each other that the chasm that has divided us will narrow. Then we can finally work together to remove poverty from our people both here in the United States and Africa.

Source: https://www.theglobalist.com/african-americans-african-immigrants-differ/

Great article I agree with many things mentioned but I must ask why should Nigerians care in 2020 to get along with african americans just because we share the same race as them? plus I feel there is something left out in the article that needs to be mentioned, many african americans feel their views of race should be the mentality black african immigrants should embrace when they come to America and majority of Africans are not standing for it. Africans do go through racism in the western world and acknowledge it but it doesn't make us stop being who we are when it comes to our identity. That is one big elephant in the room I have noticed with some african americans they get uncomfortable when Africans don't share that RACE first identity mentality they have.

Americanboy35:
African Americans? Nope, will rather be alone than to mingle with them, those people wey go dey talk like say dem dey rap, meth heads them....

Amen, for the most part majority of them are like that, only a small population are different from them and I feel sorry for them cause they have to deal with their community one way or the other. If only most acted like Melody Hobson, Michelle & Barack Obama, Condolessa Rice, Kerry Washington, Oprah, Colin Powell and etc that would be great.

Destroyerofyeeb:
I have no issues with white people, my issue is with Nigeria leaders who fvcked up the country. Let akatas resolve their issues with whites and stop the dumb name calling whenever Africans don't align themselves with their fvcked up western mentality.

AMEN

sisipelebe:
Nigeria men and women still have some dignity. In the US babymamarizim is like an investment to the women.

its because most african american men don't value marriage and since many african american women still prefer to have children with them they end up as baby mama's as a result.

Fuckthamods:
My brother in the US said to me last week "brother forget what you see in T.Vs, these African Americans are the most useless set of humans i have seen. Don't be suprised that the common man you see in the streets of Nigeria is way smarter than Jay Z. I don't want to do drugs, i want to work hard for my money, doing drugs here will make you rich and i will never do it, but one thing i will forever do is support the drug dealers decision to sell drugs because the buyers who are mostly African Americans don't deserve pity!"

The reason is because what you see on TV is the entertainers and athletes in international news not the average ones who are the majority. I will say this that there is a population of african americans who are hard working and successful but their numbers are not above the ones that are doing the reverse.

sisipelebe:
I'm not quick to judge , I'm only trying to weigh the difference. Nine out of ten AA men and women has kids out of wedlock. you hardly see these from the white ppl. Back to our African culture ,They're few with the exception of my forefathers. Don't use celeb life style to judge other Nigeria men.

AMEN

dominique:
Interesting. In most cases, African migrants would rather mingle with other fellow African migrants or people from other races than with African Americans. They're hardly ever found in predominantly African-American neighborhoods. This article pretty much explains why.

I don't blame them and there is a reason for that which the article high lights. Me as a Nigerian American born and raised in America based on what I have experienced, I fully support it.

Supersweet2019:


So sickening how ignorant and non-empathetic some Nigerians are. So AA and South Africans blame whites for woes, who do Nigerians blame for living in an all black country with poor roads, no steady electricity and no jobs for the young people? And least we don’t oppose our own kind.

Nigerians blame Nigerian politicians and corruption for that, so they blame their own people on the top(politicians, wealthy Nigerians) for the problems you listed and the blame is valid cause they are responsible for it for the most part. Thats is why Nigerians are not easily disillusioned when it comes to this Black love ideology cause most in power for the most part, causing the issues in Nigeria are ones who share the same skin color & culture as other Nigerians so we see through the BS. You are not going to see Nigerians complain about England 24/7 for their problems, 9/10 they are attacking their own Nigerians in power.

khiaa:


Actually African Americans aren't seen in a negative light, people worldwide imitate and love our culture, it's Nigerians who are seen in a negative light because of all the scamming, drugs, sex trafficking, and child porn they are involved in when they migrate to other countries.

To be honest most black Americans don't see Nigerians as a threat because Nigerians don't exist in their world.

Sorry to burst your bubble but african american worldwide are seen in negative light to, in certain areas, if you check different news organizations they report the out of wed lock rate in the african american community that is over 75% now, How 70% of black american women are single, The Ghetto culture that is glamorized in the African american community, Gangs & drug dealing in high rates, and etc that have been reported in BBC, Al jazerra and other news organizations. I don't see that as positive traits. The world imitate african american Rap & hip hop culture cause its seen as cool and that is it but they don't embrace other aspects of african american culture.

Russian TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG62GnQkeSs

InyinyaAgbaOku:


Rubbish myth.

How come they too aren't enjoying those privileges or gaining from it if they are the ones that made African immigrants what they are. How come the latter is better than them ?

They didn't make African immigrants who or what they are, they created the "environment" or opportunity. Do you think an average white person of that time new the difference between African immigrants or black americans?
Blacks we're blacks to them even coloured were still blacks. And these people fought for the opportunities

E.g right to vote- if an African immigrant at that time travelled to America and maybe became a citizen he wouldn't still have been able to vote because he was still black.
School- if an African immigrant at that time settled in America and wanted to send his children to school he would still have been segregated because not all schools were open to blacks.

The above examples shows what the black americans fought for. They carried placards, protested, segregated and even killed.

taneez:


They didn't make African immigrants who or what they are, they created the "environment" or opportunity. Do you think an average white person of that time new the difference between African immigrants or black americans?
Blacks we're blacks to them even coloured were still blacks. And these people fought for the opportunities

E.g right to vote- if an African immigrant at that time travelled to America and maybe became a citizen he wouldn't still have been able to vote because he was still black.
School- if an African immigrant at that time settled in America and wanted to send his children to school he would still have been segregated because not all schools were open to blacks.

The above examples shows what the black americans fought for. They carried placards, protested, segregated and even killed.

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khiaa:


We all know that someone discovering a place that is already inhabited by people is nonsense but once again that is the logic of European people who wants to claim possession of the entire Earth.

The olmecs in Mexico with undeniable African features hasn't been debunked they are real. Who is doing the debunking? Don't mentioned any debunking or conjectures given by European people because they have a lot to lose with the truth being known.

Presenting the Olmecs features as African does not equal "Africans were in the new world 1000 of years ago." these were presented by anthropologists van sertima and Clyde Winters and are old knowledge. If you are looking for info that debunks this Google is your friend or the Journal of Human genetics which presents Mayans as having features that can be mis-represented as African. An example of this being Luzia the oldest human fossil found in the Americas who was said to have negroid features but was confirmed to be native American upon DNA analysis.

"Africoid" features can be present in ancient and modern populations of people without them being specifically from "Africa." Where is the DNA evidence to back this archeological assertion. Genetics has always confirmed or trumped archeological theories based on artifacts.

equating the African presence of via the Olmec statues is like presenting the same story that the reason the Sphinxs nose in eqypt was missing is was a ploy by Europeans to hide the African features of the ancient Egyptians. Its gibberish.

khia:

When I said the 5 dollar Indian I wasn't talking about natives intermixing with whites, I was talking about deception and the ultimate appropriation of a culture for pay other than the Jewish people in Israel. Please google 5 dollar Indian's.

Thank you for the clarification. The reason I mentioned the intermixing of Indians with whites is because this was the impetus for the appropriation of culture. Many so called Indians today who look White claim ancestry and have proven this via DNA to Indians but have denied the same inclusion of Blacks who have equal native ancestry.

taneez:



School- if an African immigrant at that time settled in America and wanted to send his children to school he would still have been segregated because not all schools were open to blacks.

Funding is the main focus as per Africans.

Most Africans/Nigerians back home attend what in the US would be considered segregated schools, because the schools consist of about 99 to 100% black people, due to the location .

morpheus24:


Presenting the Olmecs features as African does not equal "Africans were in the new world 1000 of years ago." these were presented by anthropologists van sertima and Clyde Winters and are old knowledge. If you are looking for info that debunks this Google is your friend or the Journal of Human genetics which presents Mayans as having features that can be mis-represented as African. An example of this being Luzia the oldest human fossil found in the Americas who was said to have negroid features but was confirmed to be native American upon DNA analysis.

"Africoid" features can be present in ancient and modern populations of people without them being specifically from "Africa." Where is the DNA evidence to back this archeological assertion. Genetics has always confirmed or trumped archeological theories based on artifacts.

equating the African presence of via the Olmec statues is like presenting the same story that the reason the Sphinxs nose in eqypt was missing is was a ploy by Europeans to hide the African features of the ancient Egyptians. Its gibberish.

I don't understand why Africans refuse to believe that they contributed greatly to this world before the existence of the Europeans.

If you are refuting the fact that ancient Egyptians were African then brother you are truly lost.

khiaa:


I don't understand why Africans refuse to believe that they contributed greatly to this world before the existence of the Europeans.

This is not what we are discussing here. Many African populations all through millenia have contributed greatly to human history. This is without a doubt but that has nothing to do with authenticating information about the presence of "Africans" in the new world.

khiaa:


If you are refuting the fact that ancient Egyptians were African then brother you are truly lost.

It is not as simple as stating ancient Egyptians were African to prove anything my brother.

Genetic evidence unites ancient Egyptians paternally through the PN2 clad( a haplogroup) that brings forth EM2 which birth E3b or E3b1b and E3a or E3b1a who are cousin divergent mutations.

Your lineage would tie Paternally to E3ba which is the most popular Y DNA for African American males who do not have European ancestry via miscegenation.

AA are not related genetically to Egyptians more so than they are related to West and central Africans so you should be more concerned with West African history. Ancient Egypt is a cross roads of many continents and many peoples all through time and so has nothing to do with the Americas or lineages that exist there.

Were they African, of course they were, on the basis of their geographic location but if you are trying to tie them to West African and Bantu populations well genetically that line diverged close to 30,000 years ago. They did not travel to the new world nor do they have much to do with the African American population genetically.

morpheus24:


This is not what we are discussing here. Many African populations all through millenia have contributed greatly to human history. This is without a doubt but that has nothing to do with authenticating information about the presence of "Africans" in the new world.



It is not as simple as stating ancient Egyptians were African to prove anything my brother.

Genetic evidence unites ancient Egyptians paternally through the PN2 clad( a haplogroup) that brings forth EM2 which birth E3b or E3b1b and E3a or E3b1a who are cousin divergent mutations.

Your lineage would tie Paternally to E3ba which is the most popular Y DNA for African American males who do not have European ancestry via miscegenation.

AA are not related genetically to Egyptians more so than they are related to West and central Africans so you should be more concerned with West African history. Ancient Egypt is a cross roads of many continents and many peoples all through time and so has nothing to do with the Americas or lineages that exist there.

Were they African, of course they were, on the basis of their geographic location but if you are trying to tie them to West African and Bantu populations well genetically that line diverged close to 30,000 years ago. They did not travel to the new world nor do they have much to do with the African American population genetically.

First of all I am a woman, secondly you are the one who brought Egyptians into the conversation and I never stated that African Americans are related to the Egyptians, my point was in your statement about the Spinx's African nose.

P.S. You forgot the genetic testing is being tested and measured by the results on those modern day so called Egyptians not the real African ones. Same with those fake Jews(Polish, German) in Israel.

anonymous6:


Amen, for the most part majority of them are like that, only a small population are different from them and I feel sorry for them cause they have to deal with their community one way or the other. If only most acted like Melody Hobson, Michelle & Barack Obama, Condolessa Rice, Kerry Washington, Oprah, Colin Powell and etc that would be great.

Please explain to me how you personally know the majority of the African American community in the U.S., all 40 million of us.

sisipelebe:
I'm not quick to judge , I'm only trying to weigh the difference. Nine out of ten AA men and women has kids out of wedlock. you hardly see these from the white ppl. Back to our African culture ,They're few with the exception of my forefathers. Don't use celeb life style to judge other Nigeria men.

This is a lie, tell me how did you come to the conclusion that 9 out of 10 AA have children out of wedlock, you people just pull numbers out of thin air.

Whites have multiple kids with multiple men out of wedlock, I know you have seen the Maury show and Jerry Springer.

Nigerians in the U.S. also have children out of wedlock and in Nigeria as well. You people really need to stop your false sense of superiority, it doesn't make sense considering the situation that Nigeria is in. Nigerians are the number one criminals throughout the world and you have the nerve to talk.

khiaa:


This is a lie, tell me how did you come to the conclusion that 9 out of 10 AA have children out of wedlock, you people just pull numbers out of thin air.

Whites have multiple kids with multiple men out of wedlock, I know you have seen the Maury show and Jerry Springer.

Nigerians in the U.S. also have children out of wedlock and in Nigeria as well. You people really need to stop your false sense of superiority, it doesn't make sense considering the situation that Nigeria is in. Nigerians are the number one criminals throughout the world and you have the nerve to talk.

I'm in trouble!

khiaa:


Please explain to me how you personally know the majority of the African American community in the U.S., all 40 million of us.

I don't really have to based on these sources and based on my experience in the public elementary school system that had a large african american population(thank God I went to private school after that), countless other examples, and from the few educated & successful african american friends I know have told me of people in their community, thats enough for me. As I said before I think there is a population of successful & educated african americans but they are not the majority, if they were, Don Lemon wouldn't have the backing to say what he said in CNN about his community high out of wed lock rate.

How Hip-Hop Holds Blacks Back
https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-hip-hop-holds-blacks-back-12442.html

CNN's Don Lemon says more than 72 percent of African-American births are out of wedlock
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/29/don-lemon/cnns-don-lemon-says-more-72-percent-african-americ/

Oprah Winfrey: "I became so frustrated with visiting inner-city schools that I just stopped going. The sense that you need to learn just isn't there," she says. "If you ask the kids what they want or need, they will say an iPod or some sneakers. In South Africa, they don't ask for money or toys. They ask for uniforms so they can go to school."
https://www.sootoday.com/local-entertainment/why-oprahs-building-a-school-in-africa-not-the-us-148187

Then, Obama got real. He talked about how black Americans use this "group think" psychology to bully other blacks, keep them from expressing themselves as individuals and stop them from assimilating into the broader culture of America.
"Sometimes African-Americans, in communities where I've worked, there's been the notion of 'acting white' -- which sometimes is overstated," he told the group. "But there's an element of truth to it, where, OK, if boys are reading too much, then, well, why are you doing that? Or why are you speaking so properly? And the notion that there's some authentic way of being black, that if you're going to be black you have to act a certain way and wear a certain kind of clothes, that has to go. There are many different ways for African-American men to be authentic."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/24/opinion/wright-black-acting-white/index.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7jepUNPBog

khiaa:


First of all I am a woman,

I suspected as much. I will address you as such then

khiaa:


secondly you are the one who brought Egyptians into the conversation and I never stated that African Americans are related to the Egyptians, my point was in your statement about the Spinx's African nose.

Point taken

khiaa:

P.S. You forgot the genetic testing is being tested and measured by the results on those modern day so called Egyptians not the real African ones. Same with those fake Jews(Polish, German) in Israel.

You are incorrect. The Male YDtna e3b1b is an African marker that passes from father to son in an unbroken chain thousands of years back so regardless of the mix of people in Egypt today we can determine the ones who's male ancestors were the original ancient Egyptians. If any Ydtna for an Egyptian males does not correlate to this marker then his lineage is not from the original peoples of Ancient Kemet.

The Ashkenazi Jews of course know deep down inside they do not descend from the ancient Hebrews/cannanites/phonecians but have ursurped that history and peoples so I am not in argument with that.