| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by sulasa07(m): 5:11pm On Mar 06, 2020 |
Agboriotejoye:
She expressed preference for music. How's that a crime? It shows intolerance on your part to label her a kafir cause of that. Even if she were wrong, you can correct her in love if it doesn't sound strange to you. But to label her a sinner and unbeliever because of her preference is to ascribe perfection to yourself which i'm sure you're not.
If you accept the tag of terrorism, shall we then be right to call you an enemy to humanity and the world at large? You should rather strive to rid islam of every trace of terrorism so that the world can enjoy true peace as was the intendment of every religion. You can't get rid of all terrorists associating with Islam,even if you do,they will find another religion or thing to associate with,why?Terrorism is a business.Terrorists buy ammunitions,they sell drugs and supply girls to the Slave markets for prostitution and also they sell crude oil |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by Agboriotejoye(m): 5:52pm On Mar 06, 2020 |
sulasa07:
You can't get rid of all terrorists associating with Islam,even if you do,they will find another religion or thing to associate with,why?Terrorism is a business.Terrorists buy ammunitions,they sell drugs and supply girls to the Slave markets for prostitution and also they sell crude oil Your assertion is futuristic with no historical facts to back it up. The facts remain that Islamic terrorism is the biggest threat to safety and freedom of the human race. Let's deal with that first before thinking of what happens afterwards |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by miftaudeen(m): 6:57pm On Mar 06, 2020 |
Rrankdonga:
Lmao who even has time to be reading all this one?
What is the ruling on holding your penis when you piss? . The rulling is to hold it with your left hand when urinating. |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by sulasa07(m): 7:10pm On Mar 06, 2020 |
Agboriotejoye:
Your assertion is futuristic with no historical facts to back it up. The facts remain that Islamic terrorism is the biggest threat to safety and freedom of the human race. Let's deal with that first before thinking of what happens afterwards I'm sure you can ask US what they've been doing in Afghanistan since 18+ years and Iraq too,and what they did too in Libya.People are profiting from the war,even US economy will be more shitty than Nigeria economy without all the wars,so how will the war end if people don't wish it too end coz of their gains. To all Soldiers who have died in this Terrorism War and those that will still die,you are nothing more than x and y variables needed to balance the War Equation. |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by sulasa07(m): 7:22pm On Mar 06, 2020 |
Agboriotejoye:
Your assertion is futuristic with no historical facts to back it up. The facts remain that Islamic terrorism is the biggest threat to safety and freedom of the human race. Let's deal with that first before thinking of what happens afterwards Between Terrorism, CoronaVirus,Ebola,Lassa Fever,Flu.Which is more threat to human safety,please do answer sincerely |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by Agboriotejoye(m): 7:45pm On Mar 06, 2020 |
sulasa07:
Between Terrorism, CoronaVirus,Ebola,Lassa Fever,Flu.Which is more threat to human safety,please do answer sincerely Terrorism of course |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by Agboriotejoye(m): 7:46pm On Mar 06, 2020 |
sulasa07:
I'm sure you can ask US what they've been doing in Afghanistan since 18+ years and Iraq too,and what they did too in Libya.People are profiting from the war,even US economy will be more shitty than Nigeria economy without all the wars,so how will the war end if people don't wish it too end coz of their gains.
To all Soldiers who have died in this Terrorism War and those that will still die,you are nothing more than x and y variables needed to balance the War Equation. US was not involved in any wars between 1993-2001 and I don't remember their economy becoming shitty then. As a matter of fact, it was at one of its strongest |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by Solohmony: 8:55pm On Mar 06, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
This is an atheist question in an Islamic thread. How does any of these question relate to Musical instrument?
I thought atheist are logical? This is purely logical not atheist question as you claimed. Islamic world do not have answer to these truthful questions. How can a revelation of one man determined the life of many people. Only God can show us the truth way in this confused world. By saying musical instruments are bad you are promoting Islamic culture. How are you sure that all these Islamic cultures are true? You are just holding to what you think is right which may not be right. The questions still remain unanswered Is Prophet Muhammed sent by God or deceive by Satan if he is sent by God what are the evidence to back the claim? what are the sign of God's calling in the prophet? What is the evidence that the revelation seeing by the Prophet is brought by Angel Gabriel or demon if brought by Angel Gabriel how did you know or identify Angel Gabriel? All these religious teaching sound as myth. |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by sulasa07(m): 8:55pm On Mar 06, 2020 |
Agboriotejoye:
Terrorism of course Looks like you haven't done your assignment.How many percentage of non Muslims and Muslims has been killed? |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by Agboriotejoye(m): 8:58pm On Mar 06, 2020 |
sulasa07:
Looks like you haven't done your assignment.How many percentage of non Muslims and Muslims has been killed? What are all these questions for? Do you have something to say? |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by sulasa07(m): 8:59pm On Mar 06, 2020 |
Agboriotejoye:
US was not involved in any wars between 1993-2001 and I don't remember their economy becoming shitty then. As a matter of fact, it was at one of its strongest Beta go and do your assignment again,US was involved in war btw those years, example is Persian gulf war,Haiti and lots of others,if you know nothing,just shut up |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by sulasa07(m): 9:01pm On Mar 06, 2020 |
Agboriotejoye:
What are all these questions for? Do you have something to say? Everything is linked with something |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by Agboriotejoye(m): 9:35pm On Mar 06, 2020 |
sulasa07:
Beta go and do your assignment again,US was involved in war btw those years, example is Persian gulf war,Haiti and lots of others,if you know nothing,just shut up Ok. Maybe Nigeria should get involved in a war to boost our economy since war is an economy booster. We can start with Cameroon, they owe us bakassi |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by Agboriotejoye(m): 9:35pm On Mar 06, 2020 |
sulasa07:
Everything is linked with something Like what exactly |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by Kingzeez10: 8:27am On Mar 07, 2020 |
otuekong1:
Same way your parents and that of other Muslims trained you and your lots into banditry, iswap,boko haram etc
Werey Ọdẹ ni ẹ. Have you ever ask yourself that if all these things that ISIS, ISWAP, BOKO HARAM etc are doing is halal, other Muslim countries even in Nigeria here other Muslims would have join them and be killing people too. |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by Kingzeez10: 8:30am On Mar 07, 2020 |
Agboriotejoye:
How can Saudis own the religion and decide what is and what is not Islamic and you turn around to say not all they do is Islamic. It's just like saying the Sultan can be wrong in Islamic matters when we know he is the supreme authority for islam in Nigeria. Except you want to tell us that Islam can exist without Saudis which will bring up another matter entirely like how do you then perform the hajj Bro not all what Saudis do is Islamic, i don't expect you to get that cos you're not a muslim |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by Kingzeez10: 8:33am On Mar 07, 2020 |
Agboriotejoye:
Well... Facts don't support that assertion
Everything about Saudi is Islam and everything about Islam is found in Suadi No bro. |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by Nobody: 10:00am On Mar 07, 2020 |
[quote author=Kingzeez10 post=87232462]
Ọdẹ ni ẹ. Have you ever ask yourself that if all these things that ISIS, ISWAP, BOKO HARAM etc are doing is halal, other Muslim countries even in Nigeria here other Muslims would have join them and be killing people too. [/quote
Boy you need to school yourself
1.why are all terrorists Muslims
2.why do all terrorist read the Koran
3.why do terrorists attack non-muslims before going out of hand
*FYI,when boko haram started first,they were attacking Christians but now they mostly attack Muslims
*during boko haram attack on Christians most Muslims applauded them,they said that they were doing Allah's will,and so many even contributed,info,cash and other incentives
*terrorism will continue to grow in Islam,except they start preaching love from the foundation of their kids,rather than calling other religions infidel |
| Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by Riliwanb10: 1:04pm On Mar 07, 2020 |
zeeprince:
Evidence of prohibition of music in the Qur’aan and Sunnah:
Allaah says in Soorat Luqmaan (interpretation of the meaning):
“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…” [Luqmaan 31:6]
The scholar of the ummah, Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: this means singing. Mujaahid (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this means playing the drum (tabl). (Tafseer al-Tabari, 21/40).
Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this aayah was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments (lit. woodwind instruments). (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/451).
Al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this includes all manner of haraam speech, all idle talk and falsehood, and all nonsense that encourages kufr and disobedience; the words of those who say things to refute the truth and argue in support of falsehood to defeat the truth; and backbiting, slander, lies, insults and curses; the singing and musical instruments of the Shaytaan; and musical instruments which are of no spiritual or worldly benefit. (Tafseer al-Sa’di, 6/150)
Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The interpretation of the Sahaabah and Taabi’in, that ‘idle talk’ refers to singing, is sufficient. This was reported with saheeh isnaads from Ibn ‘Abbaas and Ibn Mas’ood. Abu’l-Sahbaa’ said: I asked Ibn Mas’ood about the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks’ [Luqmaan 31:6]. He said: By Allaah, besides Whom there is no other god, this means singing – and he repeated it three times. It was also reported with a saheeh isnaad from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both) that this means singing. There is no contradiction between the interpretation of “idle talk” as meaning singing and the interpretation of it as meaning stories of the Persians and their kings, and the kings of the Romans, and so on, such as al-Nadr ibn al-Haarith used to tell to the people of Makkah to distract them from the Qur’aan. Both of them are idle talk. Hence Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “Idle talk” is falsehood and singing. Some of the Sahaabah said one and some said the other, and some said both. Singing is worse and more harmful than stories of kings, because it leads to zinaa and makes hypocrisy grow (in the heart); it is the trap of the Shaytaan, and it clouds the mind. The way in which it blocks people from the Qur’aan is worse than the way in which other kinds of false talk block them, because people are naturally inclined towards it and tend to want to listen to it. The aayaat condemn replacing the Qur’aan with idle talk in order to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah without knowledge and taking it as a joke, because when an aayah of the Qur’aan is recited to such a person, he turns his back as if he heard them not, as if there were deafness in his ear. If he hears anything of it, he makes fun of it. All of this happens only in the case of the people who are most stubbornly kaafirs and if some of it happens to singers and those who listen to them, they both have a share of this blame. (Ighaathat al-Lahfaan, 1/258-259).
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“[Allaah said to Iblees:] And befool them gradually those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and any other call for Allaah’s disobedience)…” [al-Israa’ 17:64]
It was narrated that Mujaahid (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “And befool them gradually those whom you can among them with your voice” – his voice [the voice of Iblees/Shaytaan] is singing and falsehood. Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This idaafah [possessive or genitive construction, i.e., your voice] serves to make the meaning specific, as with the phrases [translated as] “your cavalry” and “your infantry” [later in the same aayah]. Everyone who speaks in any way that is not obedient to Allaah, everyone who blows into a flute or other woodwind instrument, or who plays any haraam kind of drum, this is the voice of the Shaytaan. Everyone who walks to commit some act o
f disobedience towards Allaah is part of his [the Shaytaan’s] infantry, and anyone who rides to commit sin is part of his cavalry. This is the view of the Salaf, as Ibn ‘Abi Haatim narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas: his infantry is everyone who walks to disobey Allaah. (Ighaathat al-Lahfaan).
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Do you then wonder at this recitation (the Qur’aan)?
And you laugh at it and weep not,
Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)”
[al-Najm 53:59-61]
‘Ikrimah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: it was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that al-sumood [verbal noun from saamidoon, translated here as “Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)”] means “singing”, in the dialect of Himyar; it might be said “Ismidi lanaa” [‘sing for us’ – from the same root as saamidoon/sumood] meaning “ghaniy” [sing]. And he said (may Allaah have mercy on him): When they [the kuffaar] heard the Qur’aan, they would sing, then this aayah was revealed.
Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning) “Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)” – Sufyaan al-Thawri said, narrating from his father from Ibn ‘Abbaas: (this means) singing. This is Yemeni (dialect): ismad lana means ghan lana [sing to us]. This was also the view of ‘Ikrimah. (Tafseer Ibn Katheer).
It was reported from Abu Umaamah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not sell singing slave women, do not buy them and do not teach them. There is nothing good in this trade, and their price is haraam. Concerning such things as this the aayah was revealed (interpretation of the meaning): ‘And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…’ [Luqmaan 31:6].” (Hasan hadeeth)
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).
Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This is a saheeh hadeeth narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh, where he quoted it as evidence and stated that it is mu’allaq and majzoom. He said: Chapter on what was narrated concerning those who permit alcohol and call it by another name.
This hadeeth indicates in two ways that musical instruments and enjoyment of listening to music are haraam. The first is the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “[they] permit” which clearly indicates that the things mentioned, including musical instruments, are haraam according to sharee’ah, but those people will permit them. The second is the fact that musical instruments are mentioned alongside things which are definitely known to be haraam, i.e., zinaa and alcohol: if they (musical instruments) were not haraam, why would they be mentioned alongside these things? (adapted from al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 1/140-141)
Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This hadeeth indicates that ma’aazif are haraam, and ma’aazif means musical instruments according to the scholars of (Arabic) language. This word includes all such instruments. (al-Majmoo’, 11/535).
Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: And concerning the same topic similar comments were narrated from Sahl ibn Sa’d al-Saa’idi, ‘Imraan ibn Husayn, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas, Abu Hurayrah, Abu Umaamah al-Baahili, ‘Aa’ishah Umm al-Mu’mineen, ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib, Anas ibn Maalik, ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Saabit and al-Ghaazi ibn Rabee’ah. Then he mentioned it in Ighaathat al-Lahfaan, and it indicates that they (musical instruments) are haraam.
It was narrated that Naafi’ (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Ibn ‘Umar heard a woodwind instrument, and he put his fingers in his
ears and kept away from that path. He said to me, O Naafi’, can you hear anything? I said, No. So he took his fingers away from his ears and said: I was with the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he heard something like this, and he did the same thing. (Saheeh Abi Dawood). Some insignificant person said that this hadeeth does not prove that musical instruments are haraam, because if that were so, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would have instructed Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both) to put his fingers in his ears as well, and Ibn ‘Umar would have instructed Naafi’ to do likewise! The response to this is: He was not listening to it, but he could hear it. There is a difference between listening and hearing. Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Concerning (music) which a person does not intend to listen to, there is no prohibition or blame, according to scholarly consensus. Hence blame or praise is connected to listening, not to hearing. The one who listens to the Qur’aan will be rewarded for it, whereas the one who hears it without intending or wanting to will not be rewarded for that, because actions are judged by intentions. The same applies to musical instruments which are forbidden: if a person hears them without intending to, that does not matter. (al-Majmoo’, 10/78).
Ibn Qudaamah al-Maqdisi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: the listener is the one who intends to hear, which was not the case with Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both); what happened in his case was hearing. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) needed to know when the sound stopped because he had moved away from that path and blocked his ears. So he did not want to go back to that path or unblock his ears until the noise had stopped, so when he allowed Ibn ‘Umar to continue hearing it, this was because of necessity. (al-Mughni, 10/173)
(Even though the hearing referred to in the comments of the two imaams is makrooh, it was permitted because of necessity, as we will see below in the comments of Imaam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him). And Allaah knows best).
The views of the scholars (imaams) of Islam
Al-Qaasim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Singing is part of falsehood. Al-Hasan (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: if there is music involved in a dinner invitation (waleemah), do not accept the invitation (al-Jaami by al-Qayrawaani, p. 262-263).
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The view of the four Imaams is that all kinds of musical instruments are haraam. It was reported in Saheeh al-Bukhaari and elsewhere that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said that there would be among his ummah those who would allow zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments, and he said that they would be transformed into monkeys and pigs… None of the followers of the imaams mentioned any dispute concerning the matter of music. (al-Majmoo’, 11/576).
Al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The four madhhabs are agreed that all musical instruments are haraam. (al-Saheehah, 1/145).
Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The madhhab of Abu Haneefah is the strictest in this regard, and his comments are among the harshest. His companions clearly stated that it is haraam to listen to all musical instruments such as the flute and the drum, even tapping a stick. They stated that it is a sin which implies that a person is a faasiq (rebellious evil doer) whose testimony should be rejected. They went further than that and said that listening to music is fisq (rebellion, evildoing) and enjoying it is kufr (disbelief). This is their words. They narrated in support of that a hadeeth which could not be attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). They said: he should try not to hear it if he passes by it or it is in his vicinity. Abu Yoosuf said, concerning a house from which could be heard the sound of musical instruments: Go in without th
eir permission, because forbidding evil actions is obligatory, and if it were not allowed to enter without permission, people could not have fulfilled the obligatory duty (of enjoining what is good and forbidding what is evil). (Ighaathat al-Lahfaan, 1/425).
Imaam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about playing the drum or flute, if a person happens to hear the sound and enjoy it whilst he is walking or sitting. He said: He should get up if he finds that he enjoys it, unless he is sitting down for a need or is unable to get up. If he is on the road, he should either go back or move on. (al-Jaami’ by al-Qayrawaani, 262). He (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The only people who do things like that, in our view, are faasiqs.” (Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 14/55).
Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Among the types of earnings which are haraam by scholarly consensus are ribaa, the fee of a prostitute, anything forbidden, bribes, payment for wailing over the dead and singing, payments to fortune-tellers and those who claim to know the unseen and astrologers, payments for playing flutes, and all kinds of gambling. (al-Kaafi).
Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said, explaining the view of Imaam al-Shaafa'i: His companions who know his madhhab (point of view) stated that it is haraam and denounced those who said that he permitted it. (Ighaathat al-Lahfaan, 1/425).
The author of Kifaayat al-Akhbaar, who was one of the Shaafa’is, counted musical instruments such as flutes and others, as being munkar (evil), and the one who is present (where they are being played) should denounce them. (He cannot be excused by the fact that there are bad scholars, because they are corrupting the sharee’ah, or evil faqeers – meaning the Sufis, because they call themselves fuqaraa’ or faqeers – because they are ignorant and follow anyone who makes noise; they are not guided by the light of knowledge; rather they are blown about by every wind. (Kifaayat al-Akhbaar, 2/128).
Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: With regard to the view of Imaam Ahmad, his son ‘Abd-Allaah said: I asked my father about singing. He said: Singing makes hypocrisy grow in the heart; I do not like it. Then he mentioned the words of Maalik: the evildoers (faasiqs) among us do that. (Ighaathat al-Lahfaan).
Ibn Qudaamah, the researcher of the Hanbali madhhab – (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Musical instruments are of three types which are haraam. These are the strings and all kinds of flute, and the lute, drum and rabaab (stringed instrument) and so on. Whoever persists in listening to them, his testimony should be rejected. (al-Mughni, 10/173). And he said (may Allaah have mercy on him); If a person is invited to a gathering in which there is something objectionable, such as wine and musical instruments, and he is able to denounce it, then he should attend and speak out against it, because then he will be combining two obligatory duties. If he is not able to do that, then he should not attend. (al-Kaafi, 3/118)
Al-Tabari (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The scholars of all regions are agreed that singing is makrooh and should be prevented. Although Ibraaheem ibn Sa’d and ‘Ubayd-Allaah al-‘Anbari differed from the majority, (it should be noted that) the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Adhere to the majority.” And whoever dies differing from the majority, dies as a jaahili. (Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 14/56). In earlier generations, the word “makrooh” was used to mean haraam, then it took on the meaning of “disliked”. But this is to be understood as meaning that it is forbidden, because he [al-Tabari] said “it should be prevented”, and nothing is to be prevented except that which is haraam; and because in the two hadeeths quoted, music is denounced in the strongest terms. Al-Qurtubi (may Allaah have mercy on him) is the one who narrated this report, then he said: Abu’l-Faraj and al-Qaffaal among our companions said: the testimony of the singer and the dancer is not to be accepted.
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