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Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by absoluteSuccess: 3:24pm On Feb 15, 2022 |
Snake is common totem shared with the Awori: "omo agbo d'ere". It's not a construction of this people. Each has a narrative of how it comes to become a totem in their oral tradition. Olu317: |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by Olu317(m): 3:58pm On Feb 16, 2022 |
absoluteSuccess:Ọtá (snake) veneration is ancient in Yoruba land aswell as in the world's religion perspective. Ọlọ́tá are the lead venerators among Yoruba people. Therefore I do not dispute the position of yours, which was never the bone of contention but the first settlers in that particular location associated with brooks, hilly , valley etc. The point here is that Yoruba people were first settlers before they were driven and assimilated with fusion of Fongbe and some elements of Yoruba tradition. |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by absoluteSuccess: 6:51pm On Feb 16, 2022 |
So many mysteries. I appreciate your deep enquiry to the etymology of the name in review, but I'm afraid you tend to be chauvinist on Yoruba, so you can well be bias. You have just transformed Whydah to Yoruba. But how about the word possible Egun meaning? You can't totally rule that out, you can do well to place the two entries side by side. First time I'm hearing Ota as meaning "snake" in Yoruba. It might interest you to know that the Fongbe actually refer Whydah as "Gugbe" (Egun), while identifying themselves as Fonnu. I'm willing to say you can't carve this place out exclusively for Yoruba: you are restricting your perspective to the slave trade and colonial era, what about the layers that goes backwards? That's origin: affinity for both cultures (Yoruba, Fon) is borne out of the fact that these two kingdoms loom large and exerts influence on Whydah right from cradle. War is much recent. However you like to put it, let's say Whydah comes from Wedah: oweh in Egun means "case", (it can equally mean scarification or home depending on what comes next. On the other hand, "dah" simply means, adjudication. It's more like saying "Ejoda". Therefore, the term Whydah from the direction of it's other form, Wedah means "Judicial". It's more like saying "oran-yan" in Yoruba. To put it in colloquial, we can equally say the word means "case close". The word is therefore rooted in a metaphorical judicial antecedent. |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by Olu317(m): 7:13am On Feb 17, 2022 |
Not being bias my dear brother. I do give knocks as a researcher even if honest fact hurts my ethnicity, in which ever way.The People in Oodéayé/Oodáyé /Oodáhé/ Ouidah,which is further corrupted into Whydah even as Judah by some other colonialist know the truth. And as I had informed before now that, I had a spell in Benin Republic as a Teacher in a french&English American School, which are associated with United Sate of America and her curriculum. Infact, Diplomats or Envoys andambassadors wards attended these schools to be bilingue en; Anglais et Français . The African's French speaking Countries do not always travel to English countries in the West, except Canada which is multilingual but often regarded as both English and French speakers country which made the USA, considered these people. So, I do know what I am posting here as a fact finding information, which also gave me opportunity to interact with lecturers in Abomey Calavi Université et C.E.B.L.A, which I attended for a diploma program. It's also correct to assert here that in Republic of Benin,indigenous people do not always shy away from truth as opposed in Nigeria.Therefore, whatever I post here is not based on assumption but interactive session with people who I had contact with for a relative period of time. Albeit on the snake veneration is a fact and I am reechoing it again here that Ọtá is a relative term use for snake which often is python or its close family. The Let me reemphasise here that some scholars often try to hurriedly conclude and give some certain interpretation to some words in Yoruba land which is often a modern form of interpretation whichis also misleading and disorderly. Words such as : Ihare/ahare=elders ereko=farm on the other side of the land Eremi = across of the river bá with multiple meaning =bow t'eri= bow your head eri=seer "lord" ajo= journey irin= journey,walk La=walk okuta= site of stone ọtá = stone sì=is ibi=evil ajogun=adversaries Shote=antagonist Shota=antagonist /enemy shela= successful Sala=toil to be successful etc Too many to mention but this does not negate the continuum of Yoruba language with its diversional newer input. The point I am making is that, Yoruba do not give a damn if they loose sight of their history even if they become subdued by another group of people which often give room for assimilation. Finally, history is a way of life for Yoruba people beceause it give detail of their ancestry from the source wherever they are or may be in the future. |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by absoluteSuccess: 7:40am On Feb 17, 2022 |
This is quite breathtaking bro. God bless your wit. I appreciate the new ideas as well and good to know you're that versatile and professional. More grace sir. 1 Like |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by Olu317(m): 1:39pm On Feb 18, 2022 |
Respect to you, my dear brother, ọmọ ọmọ Aládé Ṣẹ́sẹ ẹfún. |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by absoluteSuccess: 3:39pm On Feb 18, 2022 |
Olu317: Od'oniran Iran, iran oba nii kun sese efun. Iran oba nii d'ade, patako esin, kiije kesin o subu, iru esin, kiiwe m'esin l'orun. Ore eni, baba eni, iya eni, won kîí je k'oju o tii ni. Merci bocu. 1 Like |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by Olu317(m): 4:24pm On Feb 19, 2022 |
absoluteSuccess:Not only with Awori but with all Ilé Ogún and other founding houses such as Ilé Omirin,Ilé Ugbo and Ilé Odikéjì,which established the thirteen Yoruba groupings in Iléifẹ. This is the basis for the name Ọlọ́tá amongst Yorubas due to association with snake which is often python as a specie. So, these people are properly in all Yoruba founding homes,which starts with two and followed with four group, which later thirteen and ultimately multiply to sixteen as maximum. Among the thirteen hamlet, the house of Ogun often lords over others as the chosen king,being the house that owns Arẹ Crown. This does not mean they are not all interrelated , even though they all are interrelated. Oriki is so explanatory that it links everyone to its ancestors panegyric. Let quickly state here that many Ekiti sub group cum clan are maternally linked to Odua and paternally linked to Oramfe and Obatala and also in reverse in some cases. |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by Olu317(m): 4:51pm On Feb 19, 2022 |
absoluteSuccess:Bẹẹni. Thanks very much. 1 Like |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by absoluteSuccess: 7:39pm On Feb 19, 2022 |
Olu317: Good to learn so much, the house that the python is peculiar with among the Awori is the ojugbele, a popular family at Ota. I've not been privileged to know of others, but the mention is made in oriki Awori. Another possibility is here is built around ogunfunminire. He's the Awori icon from iseri. The truth of the matter has decayed into tradition. But every oral tradition keeps incredible details. Tradition said ogunfunminire transforms to python whenever he wants to hunt. I think this is an ancient hunters' folklore in Yoruba that are often adopted and redeveloped by those who venerates the python. It's the same recollection rendered differently as a result of variation of time and space just as much as the imaginations could enable each narrator. 1 Like |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by Olu317(m): 4:25pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
absoluteSuccess:The snake myth and the association with Yorubas went as far as with the pantheon of orients. Infact,Ogunfunminire wasnt the myth with Awori because,the house of Yoruba at ile ife are knowledgeable on the snake veneration. The tradition transcends Ogunfunminire time frame in Yorubaland whose name was used for Odo Ogun(Ogun river) as a contraction of Ogunfunminire. |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by absoluteSuccess: 8:25am On Mar 04, 2022 |
Olu317: Hmm, we keep learning everyday. I never thought of a connection between the name Ogunfunminire and the Ogun river. Yoruba is complex. 1 Like |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by Olu317(m): 3:04pm On Mar 06, 2022 |
absoluteSuccess:I never knew too until I was taught in the elders class of Ootuland. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by absoluteSuccess: 6:47pm On Mar 06, 2022 |
Olu317: The elders are the epitome of knowledge. Enu agba lobi tii gbo: "kolanut attains maturity in mouth of the elders." 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by Olu317(m): 3:20pm On Mar 08, 2022 |
absoluteSuccess:Very true 1 Like |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by absoluteSuccess: 8:00pm On Mar 09, 2022 |
Olu317: Our lives are blessed in abundance with the wisdom of ages that came through the forebears to the elders and ultimately to us. Stay blessed, great man. 1 Like |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by Olu317(m): 3:02pm On Mar 10, 2022 |
absoluteSuccess:May the ancient God continue to dwell in the ancestors for ours to tap from them for better understanding of this chaotic world. Stay firm in under the supervision of eternal wisdom of God, my dear brother. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by absoluteSuccess: 8:51pm On Mar 10, 2022 |
Olu317: Amen and amen, bro. |
Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by SirNewtonNG: 5:30am On Oct 19, 2022 |
MetaPhysical: This is great and seems to clarify certain things. But I'll like to ask for sources especially for bini on lagos. Thanks |
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