Maximus69:


Before then God only promised Abraham that it's his son that will inherit the lineage of Christ, Abraham thought since he had Ishmael it's OK but God told Abraham

"The promise belongs to Isaac (the son from his legal and faithful wife)" Genesis 17:18-21

Isaac also had two sons (Esau and Jacob) but Esau despised the heritage {Genesis 25:29-34} so Jacob took it from him!

Jacob had 12 sons, the first (Reuben) slept with his father's concubine {Genesis 49:3-4} the second and third (Simeon and Levi) killed all the inhabitants of a whole town because of their sister was raped {Genesis 34:25} so they both lost the right to be the ancestor of Christ! Genesis 49:5-7

So Jacob blessed Judah his fourth son and declared that the Christ will come from his lineage {Genesis 49:8-12} that's how Jesus became "the Lion of the tribe of Judah" till today {Revelations 5:5} because Jesus came through the lineage of Judah! Matthew 1:2-3; Luke 3:33

All these history wasn't hidden from the children of Israel!

Please tell me what do you think all the angels awaiting the arrival of Jesus Christ {Luke 2:13-14} will do to whoever tries in anyway to disregard that heritage afterwards?

God bless you!

I only meant that his kids were weird, like first son was killed, second was killed and he was scared for the third one although young then. Good thing not all of them were killed. hence, your detailed response. I was wondering if Isaac is Abraham's lineage, since I read the above.

K254725:

Are you sure?

And this

20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die. Exodus

My friend, God spoke with Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob even wrestle with an angel representing God and Moses. All these people are human, so it's the wickedness in their hearts that's made them alienate themselves from the God of their forefathers.
When some began behaving like prophets and prophesying like Moses he said

"i'll be the happiest man in earth of all the Israelites could speak and hear from Jehovah like me" Numbers 11:26-29

So just like most Churchgoers today, instead of studying God's word to know it's practical application, they prefer choosing someone to do all that for them, so that one will be the person telling them what to do, so you'll hear them say "i'll go and ask my Pastor"

Technically, the @Poster is right, only I am yet to see him cohesively argue his claim.

Kobojunkie:
Technically, the @Poster is right, only I am yet to see him cohesively argue his claim.

If you check out Num 15:32-41, I'm not really sure who commanded them to but, that passage is weird and can make you cry. LoL

Kobojunkie:
Technically, the @Poster is right, only I am yet to see him cohesively argue his claim.

i am not a technician Sir. Lols

Stephenmoka4:
If you check out Num 15:32-41, I'm not really sure who commanded them to but, that passage is weird and can make you cry. LoL

Well, regardless of who gave the command that time, and every other time noted in the bible, it does not diminish what the @Poster is suggesting. Like I said he is technically right.

Kobojunkie:

Well, regardless of who gave the command that time, and every other time noted in the bible, it does not diminish what the @Poster is suggesting. Like I said he is technically right.

She could be technically right based on her suggestion, maybe such act could be justified, doesn't count or something. So I guess she's right

Stephenmoka4:
If you check out Num 15:32-41, I'm not really sure who commanded them to but, that passage is weird and can make you cry. LoL

The Israelites were slaves in the land of Egypt when this God brought them out without a military force, they promised to live by all his commandments and for your information it wasn't someone who never knew the time all these happened, in fact it was a grown up man who definitely was amongst the assembly that came out of Egypt!

Please judge for yourselves what do you think should be done to a member of the Senate who signed a bill into law so that such a law is binding on all Nigerians and our yet unborn generations, but deliberately broke the same law he himself signed?

Do you think he should be spared from facing the wrath of the law when others who never sat in the NASS during the signing of that law do suffer the same penalty?

Well that's what is killing Nigeria till today, because those who makes the laws are the ones to first disregard it!

Maximus69:


The Israelites were slaves in the land of Egypt when this God brought them out without a military force, they promised to live by all his commandments and for your information it wasn't someone who never knew the time all these happened, in fact it was a grown up man who definitely was amongst the assembly that came out of Egypt!

Please judge for yourselves what do you think should be done to a member of the Senate who signed a bill into law so that such a law is binding on all Nigerians and our yet unborn generations, but deliberately broke the same law he himself signed?

Do you think he should be spared from facing the wrath of the law when others who never sat in the NASS during the signing of that law do suffer the same penalty?

Well that's what is killing Nigeria till today, because those who makes the laws are the ones to first disregard it!

I'm not really sure how that explains it but, he was gathering sticks and then the God commanded them to kill him. Kind of like feel pity for him/forgive him. God led them outta Egypt and it's good to obey him, I mean they could have all be suffering or dead if they had been staying in Egypt then.

Stephenmoka4:
I'm not really sure how that explains it but, he was gathering sticks and then the God commanded them to kill him. Kind of like feel pity for him/forgive him. God led them outta Egypt and it's good to obey him, I mean they could have all be suffering or dead if they had been staying in Egypt then.

Well the man broke one of the TEN commandments God gave them! Exodus 20:8-11

God actually gave them some 600 laws but he purposely wrote 10 with his own fingers, this means even if it's a toddler or foreigner that comes into their midst, these are the first rules he/she must memorise!

So if one of them (a grown up man) now disregard/violate the laws how do you expect a little child or foreigner to take it serious?

Stephenmoka4:
She could be technically right based on her suggestion, maybe such act could be justified, doesn't count or something. So I guess she's right

God cannot in fact be accused of killing in anyway or form because the very rules of killing apply to the created and not the creator, if you get what I mean.
Imagine you had the power to built for yourself your own universe, subject to rules and laws that you make to guard the every actions of the entities you create, are you also subject to those same rules and laws? Not really. You are considered to be above them, hence you ought not be judged by them in a sense.

Maximus69:

Well the man broke one of the TEN commandments God gave them! Exodus 20:8-11

God actually gave them some 600 laws but he purposely wrote 10 with his own fingers, this means even if it's a toddler or foreigner that comes into their midst, these are the first rules he/she must memorise!

So if one of them (a grown up man) now disregard/violate the laws how do you expect a little child or foreigner to take it serious?

Foreigners had only 4 rules to abide by, even in the old testament. The 613 statutes applied to the descendants of Israel, according to the entries in the books.

Stephenmoka4:
I'm not really sure how that explains it but, he was gathering sticks and then the God commanded them to kill him. Kind of like feel pity for him/forgive him. God led them outta Egypt and it's good to obey him, I mean they could have all be suffering or dead if they had been staying in Egypt then.

You have to understand the contract the people signed with their God was that they would OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS. It was not for them to judge their God, but simply to OBEY HIS EVERY COMMANDS. So in that case, they had to OBEY HIM too, if that was what their God commanded of them.

Kobojunkie:

Foreigners had only 4 rules to abide by, even in the old testament. The 613 statutes applied to the descendants of Israel, according to the entries in the books.

Well the offender was one of them!

Maximus69:


Well the man broke one of the TEN commandments God gave them! Exodus 20:8-11

God actually gave them some 600 laws but he purposely wrote 10 with his own fingers, this means even if it's a toddler or foreigner that comes into their midst, these are the first rules he/she must memorise!

So if one of them (a grown up man) now disregard/violate the laws how do you expect a little child or foreigner to take it serious?

There are people still doing lots of things on a Sabbath day, even Jesus knew this especially when the Pharisees try to trap him when they knew he cured someone on that day, however he forgives. Well the man sinned yes, I feel there is nothing wrong in forgiving him as he didn't hurt anyone I think.

Kobojunkie:

God cannot in fact be accused of killing in anyway or form because the very rules of killing apply to the created and not the creator, if you get what I mean.
Imagine you had the power to built for yourself your own universe, subject to rules and laws that you make to guard the every actions of the entities you create, are you also subject to those same rules and laws? Not really. You are considered to be above them, hence you ought not be judged by them in a sense.

That's why I said it either it doesn't count or could be justified. We are all his works and he can do whatever he wants.

Kobojunkie:


You have to understand the contract the people signed with their God was that they would OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS. It was not for them to judge their God, but simply to OBEY HIS EVERY COMMANDS. So in that case, they had to OBEY HIM too, if that was what their God commanded of them.

Okay good, I was just trying to confirm who commanded to kill.

Stephenmoka4:
There are people still doing lots of things on a Sabbath day, even Jesus knew this especially when the Pharisees try to trap him when they knew he cured someone on that day, however he forgives. Well the man sinned yes, I feel there is nothing wrong in forgiving him as he didn't hurt anyone I think.

It was a totally different setting Sir!

A covenant has just been sealed newly so no despiser should be spared.

Jesus came to establish another covenant which differs from the first, so he is not here to continue with the old, but take note that a couple died the same day because they disregarded the new covenant!

So it's the same thing Sir, the only difference now is God ordered them to carry out the judgment and remove the evildoer from their midst but in the new covenant it was angels that carried out the instant judgment!

Some years back an elder (ordained minister amongst Jehovah's Witnesses) was struck by the angel of God during the yearly observance of our Lord's memorial!

Nobody would have known what happened if not for his lady friend (interested person) who shouted "i warned him not to do it today but he will not listen!"
It was later discovered that this man has been committing adultery with the lady for a long time and can you imagine that on the very day when all Jehovah's Witnesses believed angels (sent by Jesus) will be around to monitor a yearly program, he took this woman to a guest house and had sex with her, even though he has taught the woman the importance of our Lord's memorial!

So there was no doubt that very day that it was an angel that struck him dead because he was one of the officiating minister during the event, so the angel struck him when he mount the platform!

Stephenmoka4:
There are people still doing lots of things on a Sabbath day, even Jesus knew this especially when the Pharisees try to trap him when they knew he cured someone on that day, however he forgives.

Israel had long abandoned the deal they had with God by the time the Pharisees came into the picture. When Jesus came to introduce them to the new covenant(second religion), all they had was rules and laws that were traditions which had little or nothing to do with God.

Stephenmoka4:

Well the man sinned yes, I feel there is nothing wrong in forgiving him as he didn't hurt anyone I think.

Remember, the old contract God signed with His people Israel had to do with them OBEYING HIM. There individual opinions mattered for nothing as far as that was concerned. God required them to kill the man and it was there duty to OBEY and that was that.

Maximus69:


It was a totally different setting Sir!

A covenant has just been sealed newly so no despiser should be spared.

Jesus came to establish another covenant which differs from the first, so he is not here to continue with the old, but take note that a couple died the same day because they disregarded the new covenant!

So it's the same thing Sir, the only difference now is God ordered them to carry out the judgment and remove the evildoer from their midst but in the new covenant it was angels that carried out the instant judgment!

Some years back an elder (ordained minister amongst Jehovah's Witnesses) was struck by the angel of God during the yearly observance of our Lord's memorial!

Nobody would have known what happened if not for his lady friend (interested person) who shouted "i warned him not to do it today but he will not listen!"
It was later discovered that this man has been committing adultery with the lady for a long time and can you imagine that on the very day when all Jehovah's Witnesses believed angels (sent by Jesus) will be around to monitor a yearly program, he took this woman to a guest house and had sex with her, even though he has taught the woman the importance of our Lord's memorial!

So there was no doubt that very day that it was an angel that struck him dead because he was one of the officiating minister during the event, so the angel struck him when he mount the platform!

Man that JW event is a shock to me she could have stopped him, well it had happened

Kobojunkie:

Israel had long abandoned the deal they had with God by the time the Pharisees came into the picture. When Jesus came to introduce them to the new covenant(second religion), all they had was rules and laws that were traditions which had little or nothing to do with God.

Remember, the old contract God signed with His people Israel had to do with them OBEYING HIM. There individual opinions mattered for nothing as far as that was concerned. God required them to kill the man and it was there duty to OBEY and that was that.

That's not the only event but, certainly I can say God commanded them to murder the man. There are many more but, I don't know if it should be counted as kill since God made us, so he can do as he wishes.

Stephenmoka4:
That's not the only event but, certainly I can say God commanded them to murder the man. There are many more but, I don't know if it should be counted as kill since God made us, so he can do as he wishes.

The Law "Thou shall not kill" refers to a person maliciously (or otherwise) denying another the right to life. So, God may have commanded it, but who carried it out, God? And who will stand to judge Him? You? Me? Or the person(s) commanded to carry out the killing in question?

Stephenmoka4:
Man that JW event is a shock to me she could have stopped him, well it had happened

She is now a baptised member, she said that's the first time she will witness divine judgment, and she will never forget it but she will tell her children, grandchildren and great grandchildren NOT to despise Jehovah's arrangement!

Stephenmoka4:
That's not the only event but, certainly I can say God commanded them to murder the man. There are many more but, I don't know if it should be counted as kill since God made us, so he can do as he wishes.

Please when it comes to matter of life, God subjects himself to his own words!

Take for example, when he wanted to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, he disclosed it to his friend Abraham, please consider the conversation between the two of them as recorded @ Genesis 18:20-33 but pay rapt attention to verse 23-25!

There Abraham said to God

"I know you that it's unthinkable for you to destroy the righteous along with the wicked"

So in other words, Abraham is saying God can't kill good people!

Therefore whenever any event strikes killing people indiscriminately, know that it's not as a result of God's judgment! James 1:13

Maximus69:


It was a totally different setting Sir!

A covenant has just been sealed newly so no despiser should be spared.

Jesus came to establish another covenant which differs from the first, so he is not here to continue with the old, but take note that a couple died the same day because they disregarded the new covenant!

So it's the same thing Sir, the only difference now is God ordered them to carry out the judgment and remove the evildoer from their midst but in the new covenant it was angels that carried out the instant judgment!

Some years back an elder (ordained minister amongst Jehovah's Witnesses) was struck by the angel of God during the yearly observance of our Lord's memorial!

Nobody would have known what happened if not for his lady friend (interested person) who shouted "i warned him not to do it today but he will not listen!"
It was later discovered that this man has been committing adultery with the lady for a long time and can you imagine that on the very day when all Jehovah's Witnesses believed angels (sent by Jesus) will be around to monitor a yearly program, he took this woman to a guest house and had sex with her, even though he has taught the woman the importance of our Lord's memorial!

So there was no doubt that very day that it was an angel that struck him dead because he was one of the officiating minister during the event, so the angel struck him when he mount the platform!

Or the man could have simply died of a heart attack, but we will never know, will we cause the folks chose to believe an angel was to blame for the man's untimely demise.
By the way, was it THE angel of death that did it or just some angel? The "adulterous" woman saw this angel too??

Kobojunkie:


The Law "Thou shall not kill" refers to a person maliciously (or otherwise) denying another the right to life. So, God may have commanded it, but who carried it out, God? And who will stand to judge Him? You? Me? Or the person(s) commanded to carry out the killing in question?

Like I mentioned, probably that could be justified or doesn't count. When David sent his commander to put Uriah the Hittite an the fiercest part of the battlefield to be killed, the commander or the one who commanded him to do so also take part in the killing. I think prophet Nathan came later to him, David sinned as he took part in a sinful act. Anyways, I don't think that applies to God as he is the one that made the life in them, so...
Yes, we can't judge God, that's far from the picture.

Maximus69:


She is now a baptised member, she said that's the first time she will witness divine judgment, and she will never forget it but she will tell her children, grandchildren and great grandchildren NOT to despise Jehovah's arrangement!

That's an event of a lifetime. God forgive us all.

Maximus69:


Please when it comes to matter of life, God subjects himself to his own words!

Take for example, when he wanted to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, he disclosed it to his friend Abraham, please consider the conversation between the two of them as recorded @ Genesis 18:20-33 but pay rapt attention to verse 23-25!

There Abraham said to God

"I know you that it's unthinkable for you to destroy the righteous along with the wicked"

So in other words, Abraham is saying God can't kill good people!

Therefore whenever any event strikes killing people indiscriminately, know that it's not as a result of God's judgment! James 1:13

The main thing there is the righteous ones, I mean in a city like that one good man could save the life of others you know. It is written
1 Samuel 2:6 (KJV)
The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth
down to the grave, and bringeth up.

Kobojunkie:

Or the man could have simply died of a heart attack, but we will never know, will we cause the folks chose to believe an angel was to blame for the man's untimely demise.
By the way, was it THE angel of death that did it or just some angel? The "adulterous" woman saw this angel too??

Nobody could say specifically what happened, what we know is that the man mount the platform to deliver a speech in front of God's people, then he slummed and the lady started shouting "i warned him not to do it!" Continuously.

So after the man was taken away, the program continued because Jehovah's worship must not be altered even if it remains just two persons, one must sit while the other officiate!

It was later when the lady kept shivering that our brothers had to take care of her and asked her what happened, then she divulged every hidden thing they've been doing together in secret, so our brothers laid their hands on her, prayed fervently for her and gave her specific guidelines so as not to continue doing the same.

After a careful consideration of how God's spirit dealt with blasphemers in the past {Act 5:1-11;12:21-23} thorough meditation and fervent prayers, they realized that an angel must have struck him dead!

Stephenmoka4:
The main thing there is the righteous ones, I mean in a city like that one good man could save the life of others you know. It is written
1 Samuel 2:6 (KJV)
The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth
down to the grave, and bringeth up.

It simply means:- trust in God because there is no evil beyond his power, no matter what happens it's because he permitted it!

Maximus69:


My friend, God spoke with Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob even wrestle with an angel representing God and Moses. All these people are human, so it's the wickedness in their hearts that's made them alienate themselves from the God of their forefathers.
When some began behaving like prophets and prophesying like Moses he said

"i'll be the happiest man in earth of all the Israelites could speak and hear from Jehovah like me" Numbers 11:26-29

So just like most Churchgoers today, instead of studying God's word to know it's practical application, they prefer choosing someone to do all that for them, so that one will be the person telling them what to do, so you'll hear them say "i'll go and ask my Pastor"

Maximus69:


It simply means:- trust in God because there is no evil beyond his power, no matter what happens it's because he permitted it!

If you read the context of the chapter, it shows what God can do and the likes. Even Jesus told us whom to fear, is it the one who can kill the body or the one that will kill both the body and the soul.
Killing there is an attribute of man, in the commandment. If it's use literally, God can kill but, that line will make it sounds sinful, so I think a less offensive term will be God can take back life he has given. If you check page one, there is a compilation of events I copied from someone's post showing records of deaths.