Nooil:

Really? Where are you?

Kobojunkie:

Sadly, not every sick person out there has the luxury of having a care person. There are many who die in their filth in the end.

I hope we are in no way suggesting that God was somehow put off by their filth.

Kobojunkie:
currently in pheonix, AZ

hotdo9:

Stupid excuse? Your reasoning is appaling, so someone cant be that poor or what are you saying? The isrealites didnt batge with soap? You are really funny...and where in the Bible does it say cleanliness is next to godliness?
Anyway what Jesus Christ and the Disciples taught is what makes a man unclean is what comes out of his heart, nothing else.

redcliff:


physical cleanliness is part of it. ITs both ways. If you say you are a child of God and you do and obey his commandments, being dirty is a sign of laziness and laziness in the sight of God is a sin.

kayuseful:


Physical cleanliness is not part of it. I hope I'm talking to a Christian sha

JohnspeakU:
So you think God doesn’t differentiate between righteousness and cleanliness? The statement means cleanliness of the outward body. One of the sign of a demon possessed person or environment is dirtiness. A man under the grip of the Devil is always dirty.

You think that voice that always tells you not to bathe or clean your surrounding is of God? No! It’s the devil because he thrives on dirty environment and bad smell. If you are truly spiritually sensitive, the first sign to know that the devil is in a house or compound is dirtiness.

atoleybaba:
...when the Bible said cleanliness is next to Godliness

Timfreds:
OP your point is correct, but the phrase Cleanliness is next to godliness, is about physical neatness. God is extremely against being dirty. Check the Bible.

redcliff:



This na dirty talk.. how sick can you be that someone else cannot look after you..try to twist it or not, anybody who is dirty cannot make heaven, period.

kayuseful:


Are you sure you're a Christian or a Muslim

Myer:


The axiom in question is not of christian origin so it was referring to physical clearness.
But whether cleanliness is next to godliness is dependent on the religion you refer to.

In Christianity cleanliness is not next to godliness. Since Jesus accused the Pharisee and Saducess of maintaining an outward cleanliness whereas their heart was filthy.
Likewise Jesus instructed his disciples to be ready to clean the fear of others otherwise they can't have a part in him. Washing of someone's feet was one of the dirtiest tasks for slaves then.

However in Islam cleanliness is truly next to godliness. Which is why Mohammed commands it in a lot of their practices.

redcliff:


christian. Although my religion has nothing to do with this./..

Nooil:



Exodus 19:10

And the Lord said unto Moses, go unto the people, sanctify them today and tomorrow, and let them wash their clothes.

atoleybaba:
can u be clean spiritually and be dirty? It is not possible....the bible talked about many rules God gave the isrealite when in the wilderness concerning their hygiene. How dy should shit, how dy should wash up.....even when dy built a temple for God, he didn't let everyone into every part of the temple... God doesn't condone dirtiness you can't bee dirty and say u serve a clean God.....

kayuseful:


Well.. This is a Christian Topic. We are Christians and we're not subject to the Israelitish hygiene rules.

Moses is leading a nation of say, 2million people, walking from desert to desert, and is teaching them rules concerning how to keep the camp clean when anyone defecates, menstruates, ejaculates, how people should wash their hands to avoid an epidemic or food contamination. You generalize it and call it godliness..


Same God that told his prophet to bake bread with cow dung, is He the one who you say cannot dwell in a physically filthy place?

Or you forgot that when God (angels) came to visit Abraham, their legs were so dirty that Abraham had to wash them.. Angels of God with dirty legs? I thought God should reject them..

Jesus deliberately touched Lepers..
Your Mosaic law commanded they shouldn't be touched or the toucher becomes unclean

Jesus was touched by a menstrous woman, and He didn't go and "sanctify" himself after that. He didn't wash his clothes. There was a time He spat on sand and made clay, just like when slum kids play with spittle.. What can be more disgusting!


To God, after all your bathes and bleaching and toning cream, both team natural and organic creams and makeups, you're still nothing but dust.. So if He's got a problem with dirts, then He shouldn't have talked to man, or created man with dust. Not forgetting the same God created the dust, the dirts, the maggots, the faeces, the rots you're irritated about.


No one is tolerating dirtiness, it's clear from the OP. Physical hygiene is good because you reason and worship God better when you're in a beautiful environment, ac-tight church, state-of-the-art cathedral etc. But that's about you, not God.
If the law of the land says sanitation, and you refuse to clean up, God's not happy about it, and that's sin. Here lies the difference: it is sin, not because God is irritated by the sorts, but because you have disobeyed the government God has given you,or you have simply refused to so the right thing. It is acts that are sin, physical conditions are never sin

kayuseful:


Well.. This is a Christian Topic. We are Christians and we're not subject to the Israelitish hygiene rules.

Moses is leading a nation of say, 2million people, walking from desert to desert, and is teaching them rules concerning how to keep the camp clean when anyone defecates, menstruates, ejaculates, how people should wash their hands to avoid an epidemic or food contamination. You generalize it and call it godliness..


Same God that told his prophet to bake bread with cow dung, is He the one who you say cannot dwell in a physically filthy place?

Or you forgot that when God (angels) came to visit Abraham, their legs were so dirty that Abraham had to wash them.. Angels of God with dirty legs? I thought God should reject them..

Jesus deliberately touched Lepers..
Your Mosaic law commanded they shouldn't be touched or the toucher becomes unclean

Jesus was touched by a menstrous woman, and He didn't go and "sanctify" himself after that. He didn't wash his clothes. There was a time He spat on sand and made clay, just like when slum kids play with spittle.. What can be more disgusting!


To God, after all your bathes and bleaching and toning cream, both team natural and organic creams and makeups, you're still nothing but dust.. So if He's got a problem with dirts, then He shouldn't have talked to man, or created man with dust. Not forgetting the same God created the dust, the dirts, the maggots, the faeces, the rots you're irritated about.


No one is tolerating dirtiness, it's clear from the OP. Physical hygiene is good because you reason and worship God better when you're in a beautiful environment, ac-tight church, state-of-the-art cathedral etc. But that's about you, not God.
If the law of the land says sanitation, and you refuse to clean up, God's not happy about it, and that's sin. Here lies the difference: it is sin, not because God is irritated by the sorts, but because you have disobeyed the government God has given you,or you have simply refused to so the right thing. It is acts that are sin, physical conditions are never sin

BackllGodNaija:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind being a pig to you, but yet clean to God, because a pig means something different to God from what it means to men. I'm quite sure that Lazarus the beggar would be a pig to you if he was here. Remember dogs licked his wounds so you can't tell me that he was not a pig on the outside. Yet he was clean to God which is the most important thing.

By the way, I ain't against outward cleanliness though.

atoleybaba:
how dare u even relate the angel's feet being washed as a sign that God doesn't care about cleanliness... Infact it proves the exact opposite of the rubbish u are saying.... When u go out, u get dirty. A right thinking person knows that when u get back home u bath.... The angels were presumed to be strangers who came to visit Abraham and his first instinct was to wash their feet. Just has every sensible person should...if God doesn't care about angel. His angels would have told Abraham not to bother cos cleanliness doesn't matter to God but ur heart cleanliness.... Rubbish talk

Jesus touching the sick wasn't to show that he is dirty, he was showing everybody that there is no sickness God can't heal...the lepels for example, they were not allowed into the city, when Jesus saw them, he never told the lepers to go into the city with their sickness... He healed them!!!! He made them clean!!!! And he still didn't just discharge them after that instead he asked them to show themselves to the priest of the city in think. Or someone with a rank, before they can finally go on their daily life....you know why they should show themselves first, so they can certified them as clean again. But u didn't see that, again you use his story to justify ur rubbish. Jesus was touched by a woman who was mensurating he didn't get angry or chased the woman away again because he wanted to prove that God can heal anybody....again the woman was sick, she had no other choice than to touch Jesus. The question is, do u have any excuse to be dirty and unclean...the woman wasn't unclean out of her own doing, she was unclean because of her immeasurable flow of blood!!! Again u used another leg shooting example to justify urself rubbish idea



You said there was a time he spat on bla bla bla. Again he was only demonstrating something. You what are u demonstrating to be dirty...and who told u smearing spit with mold is something dirty? Have u seen potters at work before? And who told u jesus didn't clean himself after....u want them to write in the bible that Jesus now went and bath, he woke up in the morning and took his bath and brush his teeth? Is that what u want them to be recording in the bible? God that created water and put it in human head that dy should bath, u think he doesn't know what he is doing?


Then bringing ur point from how we are created is just so dumb of u....again the story of a potter....have u seen a water vase made out of mud before? Have u seen how clean they make it? Yes it was refined before using it to store water or serve food to people.... God created u from dust doesn't mean God didn't do d necessary cleaning... God created u from dust correct but can u eat dirt and dust and still feel OK? What will u do if u go to a food store and when dy have served u ur best delicacy, they spray it with dirt and mud and gutter water...after all we are from dust?
God gave u sense bro, apply it. Don't add illiteracy to bible knowledge....u urself mentioned why God gave the isrealite does rules about hygiene so they won't fall sick. Why won't that same rule apply to us today? See covid 19....one of the reason we have large spread is cos people are not practicing simple hygiene...wash your hands before touching ur mouth. See cholera, lack of proper hygiene....even Lassa fever. No proper hygiene. Rat go Dy live with you inside kitchen, they do meeting for ur cooking pot and u go still use am cook. Can't u see what ur dirtiness have gotten u? Then when u fall sick u will claim ur Village people and evil spirit are after u not realizing that u were d one playing with ur health.....if God doesn't care about ur cleanliness, will people fall sick for not being sick? If I cook a meal from d gutter for u will u eat it Read stories of Kings and those after God's heart non of them was dirty out of willingness...the ones that prayed to God while dirty were either sick, or in prison or had no chance of cleaning themselves up

solonubinho:


It appears you're terrible at contextualizing scenarios. But its okay, i'll explain to you. You see, Lazarus, the beggar was probably not dirty on his own accord. He was a beggar, one with little or no resources to alter his physical state for the better. Hence, we can establish that the use of Lazarus as an example is completely inaccurate. Thankfully, its good to know, as stated in your last line that you are not against outward cleanliness however, my position remains that both inward and outward cleanliness are on the same pedestal.

Also, you see, outward uncleanliness makes your body, the vessel of God, prone to diseases. Diseases make you sick. Sickness leads to death. Death shortens one's life. A shortened life makes it impossible to carry out God's plan for such a person on earth (fulfil destiny). When you do not fulfil destiny, it means you have not done what God has asked of you. When you do not do what God has asked of you, it means you are disobedient, and if you are disobedient, then you are a sinner. I hope you understand.

Not everything is bible this, bible that. That's why God has given us common sense and the holy spirit, Make use of these more often. Shalom.

atoleybaba:
oga u are talking rubbish.....u saying we are Christians and not Israelite obviously shows u know nothing about the bible...hence no point reading the rubbish you wrote infact continuing to argue with u is a waste of time

BackllGodNaija:


"If you are 'clean' inside and a pig on the outside, then Godliness is far away from you."

The above comment is yours abi, so what context are you talking to?

If you try to shift your goal post because the point I made about Lazarus debunks your idea, you shouldn't also try to shift blame. I chose to use the instance of Lazarus the beggar because he perfectly illustrated the bolded of your comment, yet godliness was not far from him. I could have used the disciples who didn't wash their hands...yet were not just close to godliness but to God Himself in the human form.

I said I wouldn't mind being a pig to you but clean to God, and this comment of yours further justifies that statement, because you sound like those would view the "Pharisees" who were "pigs" in God sight as clean, but the disciples who were clean to God as pigs.

I am not against the cleaning up of one's body as you already know, however if you really think that it's just outward uncleanliness that makes one prone to diseases, then you're highly misinformed and so far away from the truth. Inward uncleanliness is the greatest cause of diseases. Exodus 15:26

Have a nice day.

BackllGodNaija:


"If you are 'clean' inside and a pig on the outside, then Godliness is far away from you."

The above comment is yours abi, so what context are you talking to?

If you try to shift your goal post because the point I made about Lazarus debunks your idea, you shouldn't also try to shift blame. I chose to use the instance of Lazarus the beggar because he perfectly illustrated the bolded of your comment, yet godliness was not far from him. I could have used the disciples who didn't wash their hands...yet were not just close to godliness but to God Himself in the human form.

I said I wouldn't mind being a pig to you but clean to God, and this comment of yours further justifies that statement, because you sound like those would view the "Pharisees" who were "pigs" in God sight as clean, but the disciples who were clean to God as pigs.

I am not against the cleaning up of one's body as you already know, however if you really think that it's just outward uncleanliness that makes one prone to diseases and early death, then you're highly misinformed and so far away from the truth. Inward uncleanliness is the greatest cause of diseases and early deaths. Exodus 15:26

Have a nice day.

kayuseful:


I know nothing about the Bible?
That's OK. I take it as a compliment.. After all, it's true.

Well, I said that because you cannot be a Christian and a Judaist at the same time.. Either go for the 613 laws for Judaists or simply the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ..

solonubinho:


however, my position remains that both inward and outward cleanliness are on the same pedestal.

Kobojunkie:

Would not washing one's hand prior to eating be considered outward uncleanliness as well?
Remember what Jesus said about that?

solonubinho:


*sigh* Just read what you wrote. Devoid of any logic whatsoever I did not say "it is JUST outward uncleanness that makes one prone to diseases or death" I said X causes Y and Y causes Z. Hence, the fact that X causes Y doesn't necessarily mean that it is the only cause of Y. *sigh* as I said earlier, learn to read with context in mind, It'll prove very useful in the long term. I dont want to take you on your last line because I foresee you spewing another rubbish so I'll just save you the embarrassment and leave it here. But if you still wish to spray your ignorance in the air, for us to see then its fine.

kayuseful:


That's exactly how they do.. Shift the goalpost when they ought to accept the truth.

BTW, I really don't know where people got this idea because even in spiritual filthiness, God still deemed it fit to come save us.. While we are yet sinners Christ came into the womb of a sinner, was breastfed by a sinner, grew up with sinners, and when he eventually died, it was the very sinners He wanted to save that killed Him - Murder of an innocent person - another sin.. Yet He loved us in our spiritual dirtiness. That's for spiritual filthiness that concerns God's very heart..
Again, they will quote this out of context as usual

Not surprised at all...out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks, so it's obvious the contents of their hearts for a man cannot give what he doesn't have.

If I had preached the gospel of men that outward cleanliness is next to godliness, they wouldn't have found any fault with it, but because I preached the gospel of God they were offended even though they claim to be of God. The Pharisees who were likewise were also offended when Jesus told them the truth, so didn't expect a different reaction from them.

kayuseful:


Well.. This is a Christian Topic. We are Christians and we're not subject to the Israelitish hygiene rules.

Moses is leading a nation of say, 2million people, walking from desert to desert, and is teaching them rules concerning how to keep the camp clean when anyone defecates, menstruates, ejaculates, how people should wash their hands to avoid an epidemic or food contamination. You generalize it and call it godliness..


Same God that told his prophet to bake bread with cow dung, is He the one who you say cannot dwell in a physically filthy place?

Or you forgot that when God (angels) came to visit Abraham, their legs were so dirty that Abraham had to wash them.. Angels of God with dirty legs? I thought God should reject them..

Jesus deliberately touched Lepers..
Your Mosaic law commanded they shouldn't be touched or the toucher becomes unclean

Jesus was touched by a menstrous woman, and He didn't go and "sanctify" himself after that. He didn't wash his clothes. There was a time He spat on sand and made clay, just like when slum kids play with spittle.. What can be more disgusting!


To God, after all your bathes and bleaching and toning cream, both team natural and organic creams and makeups, you're still nothing but dust.. So if He's got a problem with dirts, then He shouldn't have talked to man, or created man with dust. Not forgetting the same God created the dust, the dirts, the maggots, the faeces, the rots you're irritated about.


No one is tolerating dirtiness, it's clear from the OP. Physical hygiene is good because you reason and worship God better when you're in a beautiful environment, ac-tight church, state-of-the-art cathedral etc. But that's about you, not God.
If the law of the land says sanitation, and you refuse to clean up, God's not happy about it, and that's sin. Here lies the difference: it is sin, not because God is irritated by the sorts, but because you have disobeyed the government God has given you,or you have simply refused to so the right thing. It is acts that are sin, physical conditions are never sin

redcliff:
dont miss the point. God no be mumu. my assertion is that God does not like filth. both physical and internal. now, if someone who is sick to the point of not getting the help they need and cant clean themselves to the best of their ability, or if it was dirt caused by the sickness and not necessarily their non chalant attitude towards personal hygiene, that definitely wont be counted against them. my initial arguement is for people who are dirty as a result of laziness. that i am saying God would not tolerate.

Egalitarian1:



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