[quote author= post=91017155][/quote]That makes it two then China Onyelemukwe and Temidayo Akinola.

Fucsheetup:
I understood you the first time.

Well done. By the way, I took the liberty to look up your profile picture(hope you don't mind). You are beautiful. I just hope you combine that with an excellent reading culture. That would be a wonderful combination.

You obviously don't know much about what you are saying sir.


Let's assume that British Colonialism started in the whole of Nigeria in 1900 and ended in 1960 making it a period of 60 years.

As at Oct-1,1960;

1) There was no single dual carriage express way in the whole of Nigeria.

2) There was no electricity national grid and no power plants in Nigeria.The British Colonial Government imported huge Generators that provide Regular electricity for their residential areas called GRAs and offices. Later on, this was extended to few houses in administrative capitals.
Overall, about 95% of Nigeria didn't have electricity.

3) Adult literacy rate in Nigeria was about 15% in 1960 and there was no single University in Nigeria.
We only had a distant learning Campus of the University of London called University College, Ibadan.
That college didn't have it's own Senate, couldn't set it's own exams or conduct it's own matriculation or award it's own degrees because everything were done from London and only admitted about 100 Students per year.

As at 1960, you will have to come from very rich families to study Medicine because you will have to go to London from 300L to complete your medical studies.

Engineering and Law weren't allowed in that University College, Ibadan.

4) Only about 2-5% of Nigerians have access to telephone

5) As at Oct-1,1960 there were only three Hospitals in the whole of Ife-Ijesha Senatorial District ( which comprises of 10 LGAs) and these were Seventh-Day Adventist Hospital and the General Hospital, both in Ile-Ife and Wesley-Guild Hospital, Ilesha.

6) If the British had stayed till 1980, most of us won't be University graduates by now and only few cities will be developed.

7) Zimbabwe gained Independence in 1980.

miketayo:


Not true rural areas today would have be more developed than it is today, we would have stable power supply, our way of thinking and living would be similar to d 60's and 70's.
Look at Botswana, Namibia and South Africa.
In Namibia u can literally go out all day and come back to step on ur white bedsheets without staining it.
Zimbabwe that gained independence early like us is d only shitty country among those 4

obaaderemi:
Well done. By the way, I took the liberty to look up your profile picture(hope you don't mind). You are beautiful. I just hope you combine that with an excellent reading culture. That would be a wonderful combination.

Thanks for the warm compliment. I love to read, there are fewer things more enjoyable than books.

oyatz:
You obviously don't know much about what you are saying sir.


Let's assume that British Colonialism started in the whole of Nigeria in 1900 and ended in 1960 making it a period of 60 years.

As at Oct-1,1960;

1) There was no single dual carriage express way in the whole of Nigeria.

2) There was no electricity national grid and no power plants in Nigeria.The British Colonial Government imported huge Generators that provide Regular electricity for their residential areas called GRAs and offices. Later on, this was extended to few houses in administrative capitals.
Overall, about 95% of Nigeria didn't have electricity.

3) Adult literacy rate in Nigeria was about 15% in 1960 and there was no single University in Nigeria.
We only had a distant learning Campus of the University of London called University College, Ibadan.
That college didn't have it's own Senate, couldn't set it's own exams or conduct it's own matriculation or award it's own degrees because everything were done from London and only admitted about 100 Students per year.

As at 1960, you will have to come from very rich families to study Medicine because you will have to go to London from 300L to complete your medical studies.

Engineering and Law weren't allowed in that University College, Ibadan.

4) Only about 2-5% of Nigerians have access to telephone

5) As at Oct-1,1960 there were only three Hospitals in the whole of Ife-Ijesha Senatorial District ( which comprises of 10 LGAs) and these were Seventh-Day Adventist Hospital and the General Hospital, both in Ile-Ife and Wesley-Guild Hospital, Ilesha.

6) If the British had stayed till 1980, most of us won't be University graduates by now and only few cities will be developed.

7) Zimbabwe gained Independence in 1980.

lolz. are u comparing technology and development of 1960 to that of 1990? do u think if they stayed till 1990 they won't have made a power grid, good roads, standard hospitals, and many other things?
Do you think they wouldn't have built universities if they stayed till d 90's (you are not making a sense), if they haven't come to Africa at all do u think, technology will exist in Nigeria, we would still be going hunting and farming.
As at 1960, were those things u mentioned up there in South Africa, even UAE was a desert in the 60's.
2-5% had access to phones lolz, even in the 70's and 80's how many ppl do u think had access to phones. My parents used intercoms just within the estate in the 80's and 90's they had no access to landline till the late 90's .
Even in the 60's Nigerians that wanted to study had a better education than present day, have listened to Alhaji Sir Abubakar Tafawa Balewa speak ? compare it to ur Buhari . he had education even before the 60's. Ask ur parents what universities were like in their days and compare it to today.
The people of Zimbabwe forced the white men out of their country, u will find very few white Zimbabweans. Botswana, Namibia, and SA still have a lot of whites nationalized in the country, their lifestyle and way of thinking is still robbing off the blacks there to some extent.
You just typed a lot without having made a single point

Again you are exuding colonial mentality induced inferiority complex with ignorance.

So constructing dual carriage Express ways , building Hospitals and providing education for the people of Nigeria was beyond the level of Technology of 1960?

Establishing Faculties of Law and Engineering was beyond their levels of Technology?

To construct a bridge over River Niger to link Eastern Region with the Western Region by road was beyond the level of the British Colonial Masters?

In the whole of the the present Osun State, the British Colonial Government didn't establish any school.

The Late Ooni of Ife, Oba Adesoji Aderemi (May his Soul continue to rest in perfect peace) and the elites of Ife took it upon themselves to establish the first Secondary School, the Prestigious Oduduwa College, Ile-Ife in 1933, followed by Ilesha Grammar School in 1936 to educate our grandparents while University of Cape Town, South Africa was established in 1829.

Imagine what Nigeria would have been if UNILAG, UNICAL,OAU, UI, ABU,UNN and UNIBEN have been established by 1860.


What are the achievements of the British Colonial Government in Abia, Kebbi, Imo,Osun or Kwara States?

The British had no intention to develop Nigeria because they didn't want to stay here for long. They were only here for business ,for that was exactly what British Colonialism was in Africa.

The only lasting infrastructure constructed by the British in Nigeria, The Railways was essential to their business in carrying resources of Nigieria all over this country to the the ports for onward delivery to Britain.

They only made small isolated areas where they lived (GRAs) fairly comfortable for themselves and trained few Nigerians who could work in Colonial civil service, their apprentices and Sales boys/girls.

They deliberately prevented rapid development of Nigeria because this could threaten their interests.


The real development of Nigeria started after Independence by Nigerians ,no matter how imperfect or slow they may be.

Almost every element of modern development and Nationhood you see and take for granted today were started by our Native Political leaders.

miketayo:


lolz. are u comparing technology and development of 1960 to that of 1990? do u think if they stayed till 1990 they won't have made a power grid, good roads, standard hospitals, and many other things?
Do you think they wouldn't have built universities if they stayed till d 90's (you are not making a sense), if they haven't come to Africa at all do u think, technology will exist in Nigeria, we would still be going hunting and farming.
As at 1960, were those things u mentioned up there in South Africa, even UAE was a desert in the 60's.
2-5% had access to phones lolz, even in the 70's and 80's how many ppl do u think had access to phones. My parents used intercoms just within the estate in the 80's and 90's they had no access to landline till the late 90's .
Even in the 60's Nigerians that wanted to study had a better education than present day, have listened to Alhaji Sir Abubakar Tafawa Balewa speak ? compare it to ur Buhari . he had education even before the 60's. Ask ur parents what universities were like in their days and compare it to today.
The people of Zimbabwe forced the white men out of their country, u will find very few white Zimbabweans. Botswana, Namibia, and SA still have a lot of whites nationalized in the country, their lifestyle and way of thinking is still robbing off the blacks there to some extent.
You just typed a lot without having made a single point

oyatz:
Again you are exuding colonial mentality induced inferiority complex with ignorance.

So constructing dual carriage Express ways , building Hospitals and providing education for the people of Nigeria was beyond the level of Technology of 1960?

Establishing Faculties of Law and Engineering was beyond their levels of Technology?

To construct a bridge over River Niger to link Eastern Region with the Western Region by road was beyond the level of the British Colonial Masters?

In the whole of the the present Osun State, the British Colonial Government didn't establish any school.

The Late Ooni of Ife, Oba Adesoji Aderemi (May his Soul continue to rest in perfect peace) and the elites of Ife took it upon themselves to establish the first Secondary School, the Prestigious Oduduwa College, Ile-Ife in 1933, followed by Ilesha Grammar School in 1936 to educate our grandparents while University of Cape Town, South Africa was established in 1829.

Imagine what Nigeria would have been if UNILAG, UNICAL,OAU, UI, ABU,UNN and UNIBEN have been established by 1860.


What are the achievements of the British Colonial Government in Abia, Kebbi, Imo,Osun or Kwara States?

The British had no intention to develop Nigeria because they didn't want to stay here for long. They were only here for business ,for that was exactly what British Colonialism was in Africa.

The only lasting infrastructure constructed by the British in Nigeria, The Railways was essential to their business in carrying resources of Nigieria all over this country to the the ports for onward delivery to Britain.

They only made small isolated areas where they lived (GRAs) fairly comfortable for themselves and trained few Nigerians who could work in Colonial civil service, their apprentices and Sales boys/girls.

They deliberately prevented rapid development of Nigeria because this could threaten their interests.


The real development of Nigeria started after Independence by Nigerians ,no matter how imperfect or slow they may be.

Almost every element of modern development and Nationhood you see and take for granted today were started by our Native Political leaders.

Young Man, if u still don't get it at this point, I can't help you.
inferiority complex is wat we are having now, they break d law as they like and get away with it.
I have been to Namibia and those people don't take shits from d whites, infact most of the blacks there r racist.
Wateva we built from 1960 till date would have been done better, same way it was done in southern African countries, it's laughable u r impressed with wat u have seen so far.

You are changing the narrative.

What exactly is your point, that Nigeria would have been better off if British Colonial Masters had stayed longer?

I have just pointed out the fallacies of this most unfortunate suggestion based on the records and 'achievements' of the Colonial Masters IN NIGIERIA over at least 60 years 1900-1960.

The British Colonial Masters had a record of abysmal failure in the development of Nigeria over the 60years under review (Colonialism had actually started about 40 years earlier in Lagos and some other coastal towns) because development of Nigeria WAS NOT THEIR PRIORITY.

Looting the resources of Nigeria and other African Countries to develop Britain was the primary aim of British Colonialism in Africa.

If the past is a reliable predictor of the future, then it will be safe to tell you NATIVE NIGERIANS would have been worse off. White Nigerians and where they live may be better off but this may cover just about 5% of Nigeria.

If commercial exploration of crude oil had started in Nigeria before 1960, the British wouldn't have gone until around 1985 and we would have had to fight war of Independence against them to free ourselves.



My argument is NOT whether Nigerians had done well compared to what they should have done to develop their Country.

My point is that we had done far better for ourselves than what the Colonial Masters had done for us.



The truth is that Nigeria can not develop faster than the level of education and enlightment of her citizens.

Namibia and South Africa had about 80-150 years headstart ahead of Nigeria as at Oct-1,1960.

miketayo:


Young Man, if u still don't get it at this point, I can't help you.
inferiority complex is wat we are having now, they break d law as they like and get away with it.
I have been to Namibia and those people don't take shits from d whites, infact most of the blacks there r racist.
Wateva we built from 1960 till date would have been done better, same way it was done in southern African countries, it's laughable u r impressed with wat u have seen so far.

It's most unfortunate that many young Nigerians don't read deeply let alone study History to fully understand what British Colonialism meant for Nigeria and Nigerians to the extent that some are even wishing it had lasted longer.


If slavery is regarded as the theft of the labour and life of an individual, then Colonialism (especially the British Imperial Colonialism) was actually enslavement of the whole Nation on their own land.

Britain ,France , Belgium and indeed most parts of Europe would most likely not have been this developed if European Colonialism didn't occur.

The wealth and experience gained from slavery and Colonialism with reverberating consequences contributed greatly to make Europeans and America what they are today.



A child that will walk must first lean how to crawl.

Some of the problems confronting Nigeria are actually our developmental challenges as a Nation.
We make mistakes like most Nations do but it is OUR OWN mistakes and we will learn from them.


The right to govern ourselves is an inalienable right and nobody needs a master.

miketayo:


Young Man, if u still don't get it at this point, I can't help you.
inferiority complex is wat we are having now, they break d law as they like and get away with it.
I have been to Namibia and those people don't take shits from d whites, infact most of the blacks there r racist.
Wateva we built from 1960 till date would have been done better, same way it was done in southern African countries, it's laughable u r impressed with wat u have seen so far.

oyatz:
You are changing the narrative.

What exactly is your point, that Nigeria would have been better off if British Colonial Masters had stayed longer?

I have just pointed out the fallacies of this most unfortunate suggestion based on the records and 'achievements' of the Colonial Masters IN NIGIERIA over at least 60 years 1900-1960.

The British Colonial Masters had a record of abysmal failure in the development of Nigeria over the 60years under review (Colonialism had actually started about 40 years earlier in Lagos and some other coastal towns) because development of Nigeria WAS NOT THEIR PRIORITY.

Looting the resources of Nigeria and other African Countries to develop Britain was the primary aim of British Colonialism in Africa.

If the past is a reliable predictor of the future, then it will be safe to tell you NATIVE NIGERIANS would have been worse off. White Nigerians and where they live may be better off but this may cover just about 5% of Nigeria.

If commercial exploration of crude oil had started in Nigeria before 1960, the British wouldn't have gone until around 1985 and we would have had to fight war of Independence against them to free ourselves.



My argument is NOT whether Nigerians had done well compared to what they should have done to develop their Country.

My point is that we had done far better for ourselves than what the Colonial Masters had done for us.



The truth is that Nigeria can not develop faster than the level of education and enlightment of her citizens.

Namibia and South Africa had about 80-150 years headstart ahead of Nigeria as at Oct-1,1960.

My point is that we had done far better for ourselves than what the Colonial Masters had done for us.
doesn't make sense
they had till 1960 and we haven't even found oil in the country, name one country that its previous 100 years is more developed than its future 100years?
my point is the future from 1960 - 1990 would have developed better if we were still colonized

You don't seems to understand me;

British Colonial Government weren't fools or handicapped during the Colonial era. They had the resources both human and minerals at their disposal but used it for the development of Britain while giving us peanuts in return.


Humanbeings are rational beings and don't do things without reasons

1) In the first instance, why the need for Britain to leave their homelands ,sail thousands of miles to Africa to colonize millions of people they know nothing about?

2) Who benefitted most from the British Colonialism?

(a) Nigeria
(b) Britain

3) If Colonialism was so sweet why did the natives resisted it and started demanding for freedom?



4) If you think Nigeria would have been better off if British Colonialism had continued till 1990, this betterment will be for whom exactly?

(a) Native Nigerians
(b) White Nigerians.




Your assertion is like saying Black people in America would have been better off, more well fed, more hardworking and more disciplined if slavery had lasted till 1900

miketayo:

My point is that we had done far better for ourselves than what the Colonial Masters had done for us.
doesn't make sense
they had till 1960 and we haven't even found oil in the country, name one country that its previous 100 years is more developed than its future 100years?
my point is the future from 1960 - 1990 would have developed better if we were still colonized

Please let's take this petition to 100 signatures. The petition is for better electricity before increasing electricity tariffs.


Please sign the petition and let's drive a reform in the distros. Electricity distribution is very inefficient and the distros keep making money off Nigerians... while NERC folds its arms.