Xmuslim:
So I have known these two contradictory hadith about Allah permanent location.

On says Allah lives on his throne in the seventh heaven

The other says (indirectly that he lives in the lowest heaven (see below)

Where is Allah location?

AntiChristian:
This is extreme misinterpretation! Allah does whatever He wills and He has absolute control over all things.

How does rising over (i.e. istawa Arabic) the throne contradict descending as used in that Hadith?

How does these mean living on the throne or living in the lowest heaven?

No wonder you became an Xmuslim and an atheist!

AntiChristian:
This is extreme misinterpretation! Allah does whatever He wills and He has absolute control over all things.

How does rising over (i.e. istawa Arabic) the throne contradict descending as used in that Hadith?

How does these mean living on the throne or living in the lowest heaven?

No wonder you became an Xmuslim and an atheist!

AntiChristian:
Allah does whatever He wills and He has absolute control over all things.

Xmuslim:
you are obviously not a learned Muslim. I quoted that verse of the Qur'an because I didn't see the hadith on time. And it seems a good substitute

Didn't I say two hadith contradictions?

Also, you are ignorant of where Allah lives according to sunni Islam. Go back to madrasah brother and come back when you know Islam very well.

Xmuslim:
now tell me if that hadith doesn't expose Muhammad and Allah ignorance of the shape of the earth?

Xmuslim:


For example living permanently on the lowest heaven and simultaneously on his throne above the seventh heaven. Allahu akbar .

Maybe he dublicate himself. Or he clone himself. Nothing you will not hear from Muslim apologists. This is how far Islam can damage one's thinking ability.



Even if we see undiniable evidence of evolution that could convince everyone today, Muslim apologists will still have a reason to believe in the Qur'an

Even if we are able to preserve human mind after death and achieve immortality. Muslim apologists will still believe that the person soul has gone to the grave and undergoing punishment or blessing.

Even if we find aliens today, and realised that they don't have a religion and they are conscious too. Muslim apologists will still claim that religion is only for human dwelling on earth

Once someone has decided to blindly follow a religion, nothing can convince him

Xmuslim:
So I have known these two contradictory hadith about Allah permanent location.

On says Allah lives on his throne in the seventh heaven

The other says (indirectly that he lives in the lowest heaven (see below)

Where is Allah location?

LabuleofNigeria:


OP, this your post is an ignorant display of slowpoke & Illiteracy.

The Hadith clearly states that Allah "Decends"
This alone should educate you that He comes to the first heaven to grant prayers (from the 7th heaven) according to the hadith.

Else, tell us the meaning of "decend" ?
Cos it seems you have only wasted your tuition in school

LabuleofNigeria:


OP, this your post is an ignorant display of slowpoke & Illiteracy.

The Hadith clearly states that Allah "Decends"
This alone should educate you that He comes to the first heaven to grant prayers (from the 7th heaven) according to the hadith.

Else, tell us the meaning of "decend" ?
Cos it seems you have only wasted your tuition in school

cezarman:
This god must be high Asf!!!

See display...

IMAliyu:
I would had argued that Allah was maybe omnipresent, but I've had a debate with a friend before and he proved to me that Allah wasn't omnipresent, but resides in the 7th heaven on his throne.
On a spherical earth it's always midnight somewhere, so it doesn't really add up that Allah in person is both residing on his throne and in the 1st heaven simultaneously. Not unless someone would like argue that he has the ability to be present in person in two or more locations simultaneously.
On a flat Earth on the other hand, this would easily make more sense.
There is another question of what is the 1st-7th heaven? I had a video saved on my phone from the European space agency which was a zooming in on the image of distant Stars observed by the Hubble space telescope. A school friend was going through my phone and found the video and the first question he asked was "is this real, is this the 1st heaven?" Couldn't really answer him. But this brings the question of what are the 7 heavens or where are the 7 heavens?
Is it the layers of Earth's atmosphere, is it the distance of the solar system, Galaxy or what, where does one layer begin and ends?
Some Muslims on r/Izlam(Muslim memes subreddit) were even trying to explain it as the 7 heavens are higher dimensions and not literally heaven and space and that's why with all the astronomical detection and observation, haven't seen anything like the 7 heavens.

sino:
Sigh!

Xmuslim:


Bro, the matter is too simple for any sincere person to see the flaw in the hadith. Nothing like befit his majesty here.

The obvious truth is this - Muhammad claim Allah descend to the lowest heaven and stay there till day break. What further explanation do you need to see that Muhammad thought the earth was flat.

If anything could be interpreted to mean anything, then the whole thing is meaningless.

We can as well agree with the Christian that Allah begot son the it befit his majesty. We can also agree that Allah requires intermidiary gods (such as sango, ogun etc) before he could connect with human and of course in the way it befit it majesty.

sino:


Because the Prophet (SAW) said Allah descends to the lower heaven every last part of the night till day break, then automatically, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) thought that the earth is flat?! Wow, see reasoning! You even claim it is the obvious truth!

The facts of the matter here is that you ignored the salient point that time and space are concepts that do not apply to God the same way they apply to humans on earth! So any form of conclusion you bring is flawed! This much has been established from the Qur’an! Allah (SWT) Says:

"And they urge you to hasten the punishment. But Allah will never fail in His promise. And indeed, a day with your Lord is like a thousand years of those which you count." (Qur'an 22:47)

This verse alone renders all your submissions null! What is most obvious is that day and night is only peculiar to us humans, here on earth, and thus any reference to this in the hadith (the Qur'an also establishes this fact) in question was and is specific to us humans (Muslims) and how best to use our time and not Allah (SWT). The descent is said to be in heaven, well, except you have further information on the time zones in the heavens....

You would see that my arguments are not based on interpreting anything to mean anything, that is not what Islam teaches, I made reference and brought evidence from the Qur’an! So interpreting anything to mean anything is alien to Islam.

So which time is he using when descending to lower earth in the last part of the night. Muhammad even said Allah leaves by fajr. So which time is he using . I'm sure you would observe nawafil and prayer during those time thinking Allah is listening to you at the lowest heaven. Common, this is too simple sir.

Xmuslim:
you are entitled to your opinion.

Allah use our 24hrs to calculate fasting and many other thing, but when hadith fails, he doesn't use our 24hrs

So which time is he using when descending to lower earth in the last part of the night. Muhammad even said Allah leaves by fajr. So which time is he using . I'm sure you would observe nawafil and prayer during those time thinking Allah is listening to you at the lowest heaven. Common, this is too simple sir.

Now the flat earth argument I brought. The hadith would not have any problem if the earth is flat, because Allah would come and go by fajr as indicated in the hadith. But now that the earth is spherical, Allah will have to go to another country's lowest heaven once he finish with Nigeria, and this will repeat itself till eternity. Thus, Allah would be living in the lowest heaven forever. From Nigeria to Canada to USA to Jamaica to Italy and so on.

If you still don't get it, I'm sorry I can't explain more than this.

I would gladly accept defeat if I were you. But the difference between us is that you have accepted that every sahih hadith are from Muhammad and Muhammad can never make mistakes because he receives guidance from Allah. So I understand why you are fighting so hard to defend the undefendable error in the hadith. I wish you good luck sir

If I sound insultive forgive me pls. I don't mean it

Xmuslim:
you are entitled to your opinion.

Allah use our 24hrs to calculate fasting and many other thing, but when hadith fails, he doesn't use our 24hrs

So which time is he using when descending to lower earth in the last part of the night. Muhammad even said Allah leaves by fajr. So which time is he using . I'm sure you would observe nawafil and prayer during those time thinking Allah is listening to you at the lowest heaven. Common, this is too simple sir.

Now the flat earth argument I brought. The hadith would not have any problem if the earth is flat, because Allah would come and go by fajr as indicated in the hadith. But now that the earth is spherical, Allah will have to go to another country's lowest heaven once he finish with Nigeria, and this will repeat itself till eternity. Thus, Allah would be living in the lowest heaven forever. From Nigeria to Canada to USA to Jamaica to Italy and so on.

If you still don't get it, I'm sorry I can't explain more than this.

I would gladly accept defeat if I were you. But the difference between us is that you have accepted that every sahih hadith are from Muhammad and Muhammad can never make mistakes because he receives guidance from Allah. So I understand why you are fighting so hard to defend the undefendable error in the hadith. I wish you good luck sir

If I sound insultive forgive me pls. I don't mean it

Xmuslim:


Yes the hadith does not make sense. As a former sunni Muslim, I was thought that Allah stays above the seventh heaven and his arsh is on water. Although, he is present everywhere with his knowledge. However, the hadith claims that he comes to the 1st heaven physically.

Concerning seven evens and seven earth. The interpretation of the early scholars before science is simple - 6 other skies similar to the one above us, but only the one above us contain stars. Infact, they believed the stars are attached to the sky because they thought the sky is a solid body. Also, they believed, there are 6 more earth below us.

It's the advent of science that lead today's scholar to different rẹ-interpretation. Muhammad himself will be surprised to hear all these re-interpretation.

sino: