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Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by Okikaneseokwu: 12:24pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
phemmyfour:Fulani keep rewriting history to fit ur stupidity 3 Likes |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by Deadlytruth(m): 12:24pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
GGirll: You are very wrong. The chief architect of the ill-advised coup was Ifeajuna. Ojukwu made this abundantly clear in one of his memos. The logical analysis of the circumstances support Ojukwu's position on who hatched and led the coup and here is the logical question: How could Nzeogwu who was thousands of miles away in Kaduna have been the architect and leader of a coup plot hatched and nurtured in Lagos? 8 Likes |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by OfoIgbo: 12:25pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
Deadlytruth: If I am reading you right, I believe one of your major points is that the then REGIONS became PROVINCES. And not that Ironsi set about to create new provinces irrespective of the then regions. If I am right in my assumption of your point above, then we are definitely on the same page with regards to that point. Now there is a whole world of difference between SUSPENSION and ABROGATION. That Ironsi suspended certain clauses in the constitution so that he can run a military-friendly government, does not in anyway mean that it is now permanent. When the northerners planned and carried out the genocide of July 1966, if they were so aggrieved about Ironsi's unitary government, why didn't they immediately lift the suspension placed on the federation clause and ensuring it wasn't changed over the decades that followed? Why did Gowon and the subsequent governments make permanent, the financial.castration of states, especially now that we are supposedly running a civilian democratic government? Even Ojukwu asked for confederation in Aburi, yet Gowon and Awolowo-led Nigerian government rejected it in favour of the current unitary government. Don't get me wrong, I have not one single respect for Ironsi. I see him like the current Enugu governor Ugwuanyi, who are just houseboy materials and have no business being in government. That's why I'm not super enthusiastic about semi illiterates like Peter Obi or Orji Kali taking the Igbo presidential slot. I prefer more versatile and highly educated individuals like Prof. Kingsley Muoghalu, Soludo or Ngozi Okonjo Iweala doing the honours, as they will be more proactive in avoiding political banana peels 4 Likes |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by sencekompis: 12:27pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
CRIMINALS EVERYWHERE AND STILL LIVING INCLUDING OLORIBURUKU BABANGIDA |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by RevDesm0ndJuju: 12:28pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
Deadlytruth: I did a thread outlining how the Buhari govt is using bankruptcy through debt amassing to ensure that all states key into the Nigerian project. This is exactly what you posted about Ironsi's centrist govt that made regions dependent on the central govt. Take example the case of Ebonyi or Osun states in the south. These two states can not survive without federal allocation but these two are the most indebted states in Nigeria.. Will an Osun man or Ebonyi person support nigerias balkanization when their very existence depends on the federal Govt skewed sharing formula? Buhari and the north are approving and standing as guarrantors to states borrowing because the more indebted they become the more they will rely on the FG and the skewed sharing formula. 3 Likes |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by Rugaria: 12:29pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
OfoIgbo:Preach on! Somehow the restless revisionists will be continuously confronted with hard facts.. |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by Dedetwo(m): 12:37pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
Deadlytruth: Have you seen or read about governance by the military directed through constitution instead of marshal law? Ironsi was not elected instead found himself in an unusual position by unforeseen circumstances. If you tow the line you seemed to express in the above post, it is safe to question your intellectual sincerity in this discuss. The early of morning on January 15, 1966 when young Nigerian soldiers struck to overthrow the civilian government was exactly the moment the constitution was suspended. 2 Likes |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by PointZerom: 12:40pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
blackboy: Nigeria is a state. |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by Dpharisee: 12:44pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
BafanaBafana: Yoruba media has tried to remove the name of Ademoyega from the coup plotters list so that the fake insinuation of 'Igbo coup' could be maintained 1 Like |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by GeneralPula: 12:49pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
jneutron4000: Wow, I didn’t know this... Somehow, I knew what the north is doing today, they must have learned it from the western leaders.. I don’t even understand why Nigeria can’t give Igbos Biafra.. The yeeboz are more wicked than Northerners if given power. Another thing I don’t understand is why Yoruba leaders have been working towards one Nigeria? Why must it be one Nigeria? Why can’t we break away? 2 Likes |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by wink2015(m): 12:52pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
The same Danjuma is now enjoying NIGER DELTA oil block despite his crime |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by GeneralPula: 12:57pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
JudasNaCarrot: Typical Igbo man.. You called out buhari for blame, you silence on Ojukwu and Ironsi.. Yeeboz should just be sent away from Nigeria. Since it’s even what they want.. Spiitttt 4 Likes |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by longetivity(m): 1:01pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
kestolove95:I don miss ur silly comments, welcome MA |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by Lovemaester: 1:04pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
IamWonderful: Foolish talk from a nincompoop. |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by chuxjay(m): 1:06pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
BafanaBafana: He took charge of the government after the coup as the highest ranking military officer. |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by GeneralPula: 1:07pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
slowice: This one is definitely from the yeast side region... Nah their Mumu people plenty pass.. To put the country on the right part, we need to tackle the problems right from within.. They’re telling us how Evil man Ironsi planned a coup that destroy your future, yet this all you could say. Well, slavery is in-birth in the poor yeast side! Until we sent you people away from Nigeria, it may never get better! If at the end of every findings, should Igbo be found guilty of all these, they won’t escape justice, Nature shall reward them of their Evil deeds accordingly... Tho they’ve never escaped justice, hence why the remain the poorest region! 2 Likes |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by superlightning: 1:08pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
OfoIgbo: You think talking down igbo leaders like Ironsi and Peter Obi makes you good or credible before these anti-igbos? You are so insecure... As terrible as King Saul was, David never talked his leader down...dude, don't be stupid 1 Like |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by aslaosar1: 1:08pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
Ezeama 400: Spot on historical facts about Nigeria political structure from regional to unitary federalism and the major players who put the country into this inglorious path Nigeria is threading today. |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by Deadlytruth(m): 1:09pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
OfoIgbo: To be nearer home, the beef which every genuine believer in true federalism has with Ironsi is not about his phasing out of the regions or otherwise. If anything, his breaking down of the regions into provinces would have been very much welcome by the minorities nationwide (who collectively make up the demographic majority when compared with wazobians collectively too) if he had allowed the hitherto existing regional autonomy trickle down to them. The minorities' agitation for their own regions wasn't just for the sake of being in their own physically separate region but for having the power to govern themselves and decide their own destiny hence what defeated the whole essence of Ironsi's structural alteration was not the creation of the provinces vis a vis the dismantling of the regions but his stripping the provinces of autonomy. Come to think of it: Ironsi created 35 provinces and people complained but today we have 36 states and people are happy and okay about it. What then makes the difference? Answer: the level of the autonomy of these states compared to Ironsi's provinces. On the issue of suspension vs Abrogation, we all know that the military never later lifts any suspension they might make on any parts of the constitution till they are kicked out through a coup and another junta takes over promising to restore the previous status quo ante till it too gets kicked out and the vicious cycle continues. I didn't see how Ironsi would have been different from his successors in keeping to the promise that his decrees were temporary. Soldiers are not disciplined enough to taste power and on their own honour their promise to relinquish it without a serious resistance put up by the masses. Ironsi showed no sign of going to be an exception. Your question as to why the Northerners refused to lift the suspensions Ironsi placed on certain parts of the constitution could be answered as follows: First of all Gowon actually began a process of re-federalization by way of abrogating some Ironsi's decrees but had to halt it as a strategy to weaken Ojukwu in the face of the impending war meaning that had Ojukwu shifted grounds, the reversal of all Ironsi's decrees would have run full course and we would have been better for it today. Please note that the likes of Awolowo, Enahoro and even Igbos like Philip Asiodu and the other one from Enugu who became minister in Gowon's cabinet all joined Gowon's government well after the Aburi Accord had hit the rocks and become abandoned so trying to put Awolowo and the rest in the Aburi Accord failure picture is misleading. If all these figures were in Gowon's government when Aburi summit held, then how come none of them was in attendance let alone being captured in the Aburi summit video which we see and watch online today? It could be argued that Ironsi's successors all retained and even worsened the financial castration of states because they no longer trusted Igbos truly believed in the original structure of financial autonomy given the fact that Ironsi pioneered the financial castration when no one expressed dissatisfaction with it. Please recall that Northerners twice sent a powerful delegation to ironsi to repeal his decrees thus leave the constitution as it was and rather focus on punishing the coupists and promising to support his Government for as long as it would take him to restore order and return Nigeria is civil rule provided he did those two things but Ironsi refused. Why was Ironsi so self opinionated and impervious to public opinion? Would you blame the North for never trusting Southerners to keep to solemn agreements thereafter? Ojukwu's asking for confederation at Aburi was not as a matter of ideological belief or principles but an afterthought to which he had only circumstantial belief in. If, not wasn't the same Ojukwu publicly declaring support for Ironsi's unitary decrees just a few months before that time? Why did Ojukwu initially not believe in Confederacy during Ironsi's time in power? 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by NNAMDIII(m): 1:09pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
Johnson Thomas Umunakwe Aguiyi Ironsi... Very rugged and cracked fire eater!! |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by GeneralPula: 1:13pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
mkpologwu: Keyword is- Did Ironsi/igbos planned any coup or not? Restructuring starts right from the grassroots or whereva problems started from. With this info now, nothing igbos can ever say about any tribe across the country what would make sense!! And surely we’ll never need them go rule Nigeria!! Best you people can do is to find a way to break away from Nigeria.. If you’re wondering the pest among all other southerners, nah them Igbos. They way they do troop put to all other states speaks volumes. 2 Likes |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by jneutron4000: 1:14pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
GeneralPula:Yoruba are not working towards one Nigeria and the North know this fact. Now the system we Practice today where the Presidency control almost everything is the hand work of Aguiyi Ironsi an Igbo man. Are you even aware that there was a time in this country history that the Niger Delta people wanted out of Nigeria, it was the Igbos who forced them, killed some them to still be in Nigeria. Yoruba desire we go back to Regionalism or better still Oduduwa Republic, the Igbos or the other hand are not asking for Igbo speaking territories as a Nation they wish for it to break out of Nigeria rather they want a Biafra that must also include other non Igbo territories, now you see where the criminality lies? Knowing fully well that Niger Delta or SS ethnicities do not wish to be part of it and will always wish to have an independence state/ region of their own. Till date, it is only the Igbos you will find spreading all across Nigeria, does that really shows that they truly want out of Nigeria? The Igbos are the force that is making dividing Nigeria very difficult, Imagine everyone stays back in their region, and the Hausa/fulanis are saying shit, what we would all just do in our respective regions in to take total control of our spaces, stop anyone who is not from your place taking your resources, controlling your security etc and Nigeria will just naturally divide. Yoruba leaders are playing politics, and if a proper Yoruba man gets to power today, I can assure you that 70% he would return Nigeria back to Regional government where regions, states and the people will take back control of all what Aguiyi Ironsi took away through decree 34. 8 Likes |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by ppaze(m): 1:15pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
NazoTimes:Nigeria is a nation-state (several nations brought together), Israel is a nation. I'm not a pol science student. |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by GeneralPula: 1:16pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
olaniyilukman: Bro, you sounding like they killed them openly, I mean do you think they’d want kill such people openly? Didn’t you read where they said their dead bodies were found inside the bush? 2 Likes |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by GeneralPula: 1:17pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
Omoslim26: Create another thread for that.. |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by GeneralPula: 1:20pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
jneutron4000: You’re very right.. They spread across like lost Jews they called themselves! 2 Likes |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by maak400: 1:21pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
Deadlytruth: That’s true, Igbos didn’t clamor for Biafra during the time of Jonathan because they held key positions then. Now that they have been relegated politically, they are agitating for secession, but they failed to realize that secession is only possible if the whole south unite and fight together. They always seek to dominate others at all cost, and when the odds are against them, they cry marginalization and witch-hunting. See the way Igbos disrespect their host communities, especially the southwest. They disrespect their hosts once they gain ground and have some sense of belonging in any environment they find themselves. 8 Likes |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by Deadlytruth(m): 1:25pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
Dedetwo: Are you for real? If the constitution got suspended the moment the January boys struck in the early hours of January 15, then it would mean that even Ironsi too stopped being Army GOC at that moment since the same constitution gave him that role and designation. So why then did Ironsi take over power knowing fully well that he had stopped being GOC courtesy of the suspension of the constitution by the five majors just few hours behind? 5 Likes |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by GentleRay: 1:26pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
The guy that brought Unitary Government to us. 2 Likes |
Re: Throwback Photos From The Burial Of Aguiyi Ironsi In 1966 by fuke(m): 1:26pm On Dec 26, 2020 |
Ezeama400: I admire your sense of history but I am afraid you missed it somewhere. Ironsi killed federalism by promulgating the unitary decree of May 1966. Though the regions were still existing, they were only doing so on paper. They lost all their powers. https://www.cfr.org/blog/nigerias-unitary-federalism 4 Likes 1 Share |
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