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Who Do We Believe Here Between Jesus And Paul? by ictplotter(m): 7:13am On Sep 23, 2020 |
Paul says: Rom.3 [24] they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, [28] For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law. Rom.5 [9] Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. Jesus says: Matt.12 [37] for by your words or work you will be justified, and by your words or works you will be condemned. Those biblical verses above are direct words from both jesus christ and Paul in new testament, which seem to be contradicting. Who should will obey here now, jesus or Paul? |
Re: Who Do We Believe Here Between Jesus And Paul? by Dominiqueismad: 7:16am On Sep 23, 2020 |
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Re: Who Do We Believe Here Between Jesus And Paul? by PlayerMeji: 7:36am On Sep 23, 2020 |
Face your Quran! 1 Like |
Re: Who Do We Believe Here Between Jesus And Paul? by BlueAngel444: 9:11am On Sep 23, 2020 |
ictplotter:it will be wise if you don't add things to scripture, I have corrected you above. Those who add to God's word, don't they add plagues to themselves?! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Do We Believe Here Between Jesus And Paul? by ictplotter(m): 9:33am On Sep 23, 2020 |
BlueAngel444:Just a pity u stick to one version of the bible, pls read wise and consult from other versions before arriving at ur conclusion. At today bible have more 30 different versions and you are placing ur overview on one, i dont know why you guys are so mentally and intellectually lazy? See below the different bible version and their quotes in regards to the above biblical verse.
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Re: Who Do We Believe Here Between Jesus And Paul? by BlueAngel444: 2:21pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
ictplotter:and none of those versions had a verse with the word you added WORKS lol didn't even know i made a mistake but God works in mysterious ways. You even quoted more versions than i used and shoot yourself in the foot good day mister. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Who Do We Believe Here Between Jesus And Paul? by kuss: 2:45pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
BlueAngel444:No need to answer him All these idiiots will never learn 2 Peter 3:15-16 And regard the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as also our dear brother Paul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, speaking of these things in all his letters. Some things in these letters are hard to understand, things the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they also do to the rest of the scriptures. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Do We Believe Here Between Jesus And Paul? by Ken4Christ: 11:18pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
The op is mischievous. Where did Jesus used works? He said words. And this is exactly what Apostle Paul taught. We are justified by faith and faith is activated by words. 1 Like |
Re: Who Do We Believe Here Between Jesus And Paul? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:08am On Sep 24, 2020 |
ictplotter: One pronouncement is coming from the Judge Himself, giving you hints on some considerations of Judgement. Paul is simply explaining that to walk in the way of the Lord is the beginning of the walk towards being saved. This is where the Divide is, for some teach the error that because The Christ died, they are saved which is wrong because unless the Forgiver has Expressly told you that you are forgiven, you may presume wrongfully. But if you are told that you are forgiven by the Forgiver, then like the woman in Luke 7, then there is no room for enquiry. 1 Like |
Re: Who Do We Believe Here Between Jesus And Paul? by AkinwaleJJ(f): 9:08am On Sep 24, 2020 |
Paul was talking about those who feel it's by doing things having to do with the Mosaic laws, he wants Christians to understand that salvation is through the works Jesus thought not that of Moses. Mosaic laws teaches the Israelites things/works that will help them relate easily with the Christ, Jesus' counsel will help us to live forever. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Do We Believe Here Between Jesus And Paul? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:48pm On Sep 24, 2020 |
AkinwaleJJ: Alone! That statement up there requires the word "alone". For the Commandments of God Must be kept not in appearance as the people do eg like the catholics/JWs/Bible Scholars etc but in spirit and Truth. |
Re: Who Do We Believe Here Between Jesus And Paul? by AkinwaleJJ(f): 4:48pm On Sep 24, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: NO, you misconstrued the whole thing! The commandments God asked Moses to give the Israelites must be observed publicly by all the people, what you're citing is when Jesus taught his followers about the sin of "omitting" There are two forms of sins, "committing" and "omitting" Committing is when you did something that is wrong according to the written laws of God, in this instance witnesses can come up to testify against you that they saw you commit so and so offense. But omitting is between you and God, because this doesn't require any witnesses. It involves what you supposed to do when you're capable of doing it but you deliberately ignore since it's not written anywhere that you must do it and there is no human watching you. Luke 10:31-32 Now most people will publicly display affection and kindness for their neighbours in the presence of onlookers, it's not written anywhere that they must do this and since no one knows their capability nobody can question them for ignoring the needy, but they'll do it to be seen by observers so as to receive praise. That's what Jesus was talking about! Matt 6:1-2 But when it comes to the duty Jesus assigned to his followers, this couldn't go unnoticed! Act 11:26; 1Tim 4:15 |
Re: Who Do We Believe Here Between Jesus And Paul? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:45pm On Sep 24, 2020 |
AkinwaleJJ: Oh men I did not expect this to go this far, we could do this another day another time and I disagree with about 30% of what you said up there but I am very distracted with work now so I'll take an adjournment. |
Re: Who Do We Believe Here Between Jesus And Paul? by Ehiscotch(m): 11:55pm On Sep 24, 2020 |
Matthew 12:34-37 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. I think reading properly the book of James clarifies a lot of issues as to Works and Faith. Like someone cited the woman in Luke 7. The is one of the most common misconception and misrepresentation of the gospel. 1 Like |
Re: Who Do We Believe Here Between Jesus And Paul? by petra1(m): 4:52am On Sep 25, 2020 |
ictplotter: The use of the word Justification by christ has to do with The day of Judgement. But Paul wasn't talking about the same thing . He was talking . Paul was rather talking about now. The Salvation experience by being born again . Those biblical verses above are direct words from both jesus christ You added "works " to the words of jesus . That makes you false accuser 2 Likes |
Re: Who Do We Believe Here Between Jesus And Paul? by Kobojunkie: 1:49am On Oct 03, 2020 |
ictplotter:I am afraid I fail to see the connection you have tried to make in all of these, @OP I am not sure I see the link between the message above, and the messages below, which you attempt. Are you certain your posted the right verses? Clearly, we are called to become followers of Jesus Christ, and most definitely not followers of Paul. So it is Jesus Christ we ought to believe and obey no matter what, but I don't see why you compare that statement there by Jesus Christ, to these particular statements made by Paul suggesting some connection exists between them to be seen. |
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