GeneralDae:

So your knowledge of christianity starts with Constantine? There was no christianity before constantine? Have you read the Didache( written around AD 70-100)?

Also concerning human sacrifice, if you are an adherent of African religions that also has a history of human sacrifice in the tenets like in most of the world, then how does this click with the Tanakh and Torah?

There is no african religion that condones human sacrifices..some people who are just evil kill and main their fellow humans just to show they can oppress...in my Igbo traditional religion..we dont even practice the death penalty.we send any body who has done evil on exile or evil forest..

Only animal sacrifice or plants ..

There was no christianity prior to Nicea..if there was,what were they arguing about in Nicea for almost 2 years..?

sonmvayina:


It was on of the 10 test he gave to Abraham to prove he was worthy of the call..abraham paased and he was called by God to be his servant..

And Abraham passed the test. Scripture records that in the account of The Most High, Abraham gave his son and received him back from the dead.
Hebrews 11:19
Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death.

Hebrews 11
17By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.[/b].

So to you, Abraham sacrificed his only begotten and Son and YAHUAH couldn't reciprocate.

What did YAH give in return? Lands and cattle? To you, Abraham outgave YAH. He must be better and bigger than YAH right?

You deny the work of salvation of YAH but your looking for power. Is that not why you practice so-called African religion?

How can you receive the Holy Spirit and power of YAH without faith in his work of salvation for you. What do you do about your sins? The Torah you claim to follow specifies there is no remission of sins without the shedding of blood. Who are your appointed levite priests? In what temple were the sacrifices made? Is it those voodoo temples where you have made graven images to ancestors?

Tell yourself the truth it's just an attack on believers of the MESSIAH or the bible, that line is commonly used among Khemetic people. You're really not interested in avoiding Idolatory because that's what you practice. If you're not worshipping yourself as god, it's ancestors you worship.

sonmvayina:


There is no african religion that condones human sacrifices..some people who are just evil kill and main their fellow humans just to show they can oppress...in my Igbo traditional religion..we dont even practice the death penalty.we send any body who has done evil on exile or evil forest..

Only animal sacrifice or plants ..

There was no christianity prior to Nicea..if there was,what were they arguing about in Nicea for almost 2 years..?

Interesting, african religions didn't practice human sacrifices? are you sure about that?

Well if there was no christianity prior to Nicea, that means all the historical christian writings dated before Nicea are from planet Pluto, and the likes of Iraneus, Pappias, and early church fathers who lived and penned down guidelines for the church in the 2nd and 3rd century must have come from space.
Also early christian document that are so Jewish in nature such as the Didache that dates to the late first century, as well as Christian bible manuscripts dating to early 2nd century are all a mirage, according to the foremost historian sonmvayina.

GeneralDae:

Interesting, african religions didn't practice human sacrifices? are you sure about that?

Well if there was no christianity prior to Nicea, that means all the historical christian writings dated before Nicea are from planet Pluto, and the likes of Iraneus, Pappias, and early church fathers who lived and penned down guidelines for the church in the 2nd and 3rd century must have come from space.
Also early christian document that are so Jewish in nature such as the Didache that dates to the late first century, as well as Christian bible manuscripts dating to early 2nd century are all a mirage, according to the foremost historian sonmvayina.

Most are post nicea...that is the truth...if anybody knows,then it would have been the jews,but they do not have any record of any miracle worker..

donnie:


And Abraham passed the test. Scripture records that in the account of The Most High, Abraham gave his son and received him back from the dead.
Hebrews 11:19
Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death.

Hebrews 11
17By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.[/b].

So to you, Abraham sacrificed his only begotten and Son and YAHUAH couldn't reciprocate.

What did YAH give in return? Lands and cattle? To you, Abraham outgave YAH. He must be better and bigger than YAH right?

You deny the work of salvation of YAH but your looking for power. Is that not why you practice so-called African religion?

How can you receive the Holy Spirit and power of YAH without faith in his work of salvation for you. What do you do about your sins? The Torah you claim to follow specifies there is no remission of sins without the shedding of blood. Who are your appointed levite priests? In what temple were the sacrifices made? Is it those voodoo temples where you have made graven images to ancestors?

Tell yourself the truth it's just an attack on believers of the MESSIAH or the bible, that line is commonly used among Khemetic people. You're really not interested in avoiding Idolatory because that's what you practice. If you're not worshipping yourself as god, it's ancestors you worship.

Please see a psychiatrist..you are not well at all..

donnie:


And Abraham passed the test. Scripture records that in the account of The Most High, Abraham gave his son and received him back from the dead.
Hebrews 11:19
Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death.

Hebrews 11
17By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.[/b].

So to you, Abraham sacrificed his only begotten and Son and YAHUAH couldn't reciprocate.

What did YAH give in return? Lands and cattle? To you, Abraham outgave YAH. He must be better and bigger than YAH right?

You deny the work of salvation of YAH but your looking for power. Is that not why you practice so-called African religion?

How can you receive the Holy Spirit and power of YAH without faith in his work of salvation for you. What do you do about your sins? The Torah you claim to follow specifies there is no remission of sins without the shedding of blood. Who are your appointed levite priests? In what temple were the sacrifices made? Is it those voodoo temples where you have made graven images to ancestors?

Tell yourself the truth it's just an attack on believers of the MESSIAH or the bible, that line is commonly used among Khemetic people. You're really not interested in avoiding Idolatory because that's what you practice. If you're not worshipping yourself as god, it's ancestors you worship.

Who asked you to believe in the messiah ?..is the messiah not a normal man like you and I?..when the tanakh speak of salvation,it is always from physical danger...the messiah is a man that will be anointed as king and save the jews from their enemies round them..bring peace and ensure justice...NOT DIE FOR SINS..you still have a lot to learn.

GeneralDae:

Interesting, african religions didn't practice human sacrifices? are you sure about that?

Well if there was no christianity prior to Nicea, that means all the historical christian writings dated before Nicea are from planet Pluto, and the likes of Iraneus, Pappias, and early church fathers who lived and penned down guidelines for the church in the 2nd and 3rd century must have come from space.
Also early christian document that are so Jewish in nature such as the Didache that dates to the late first century, as well as Christian bible manuscripts dating to early 2nd century are all a mirage, according to the foremost historian sonmvayina.

The Jewish idea of a messiah or anointed is a man that would be anointed as king with a special oil just like david and saul..the prophet also says that the scepter will not depart from Judah meaning the kingship must be from the line of david and solomon..geneology is only transferred from father to son..so the messiah must have a human father from the lineage of solomon ..Jesus did not fulfil that since the story says he has no father ..which is not part of jewish religion.the idea of god mating with humans is greek/roman..you have watched clash of the titans..

So the story of jesus is not jewish..it is at best a romam or greek mythology..or outright fabrication..

sonmvayina:


Who asked you to believe in the messiah ?..is the messiah not a normal man like you and I?..when the tanakh speak of salvation,it is always from physical danger...the messiah is a man that will be anointed as king and save the jews from their enemies round them..bring peace and ensure justice...NOT DIE FOR SINS..you still have a lot to learn.

You have not answered my questions... What do you do about you sins? MESSIAH will save those who have been made alive by his sacrifice; those who have turned away from breaking the commandments and from following idols like ISU AMA and NDEM to serve the living YAHUAH. YAHUAH is the greatest. He is the one who gave MESSIAH dominion and authority.

AND yes, MESSIAH will come to save us from our enemies. And he is not MNK.

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The Jewish idea of a messiah or anointed is a man that would be anointed as king with a special oil just like david and saul..the prophet also says that the scepter will not depart from Judah meaning the kingship must be from the line of david and solomon

I agree with you in all of these, and jesus also is supposed to reign as Jerusalem's king. He was crucified because he claimed to be king of the jews ( Mark 14v62).

..geneology is only transferred from father to son..so the messiah must have a human father from the lineage of solomon ..Jesus did not fulfil that since the story says he has no father ..which is not part of jewish religion.the idea of god mating with humans is greek/roman..you have watched clash of the titans..

ok I get where you are coming from, but jesus according to one of the writers Luke is not just king of the Jews but also the true son of God. Luke was telling his Roman readers that caesar who was called son of God and rumoured to be born of a virgin is not the true son of God but jesus. In Luke's gospel jesus is the wise king of the world not just the jews, this is why Luke believed the rumour of the virgin birth. Ancient heroes always had rumours been told about them by their followers, it doesn't mean they were not heroes or didn't exist simply because of that.
Mark( the earliest gospel) has no virgin birth, and no trace of jesus genealogy but still for Mark, jesus is Messaiah from the house of David. In Mark's gospel, the jews called jesus the son of joseph the carpenter and he was also called son of David ( descendant of David). For John, the beginning of jesus goes beyond his physical beginning and to the very beginning of time in accordance with the Torah in Micah 5v2. John also drew his inspiration from the book of proverbs about the wisdom of God which was with God in the beginning (Proverbs 8v1). For john, the messaiah is from everlasting. Only Matthew takes it personal but even he traced jesus genealogy from Joseph.

So the story of jesus is not jewish..it is at best a romam or greek mythology..or outright fabrication..

Well anyone who reads the gospels for themselves would see that their theme and characters are Jewish. Judaism today cannot be compared to the Judaism of the 1st century. The Judaism of the first century believed in a whole lot of things about messaiah and interpreted scripture in different ways. Many jews believe isaiah 53 is about messaiah, and only after the 2nd century do we begin to see jews who reject that interpretation claiming Isaiah 53 is about Israel. Christianity was born almost single handedly from the interpretation of Isaiah 53, and the last time I checked the Roman's didn't write that book.

GeneralDae:
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I agree with you in all of these, and jesus also is supposed to reign as Jerusalem's king. He was crucified because he claimed to be king of the jews ( Mark 14v62).


ok I get where you are coming from, but jesus according to one of the writers Luke is not just king of the Jews but also the true son of God. Luke was telling his Roman readers that caesar who was called son of God and rumoured to be born of a virgin is not the true son of God but jesus. In Luke's gospel jesus is the wise king of the world not just the jews, this is why Luke believed the rumour of the virgin birth. Ancient heroes always had rumours been told about them by their followers, it doesn't mean they were not heroes or didn't exist simply because of that.
Mark( the earliest gospel) has no virgin birth, and no trace of jesus genealogy but still for Mark, jesus is Messaiah from the house of David. In Mark's gospel, the jews called jesus the son of joseph the carpenter and he was also called son of David ( descendant of David). For John, the beginning of jesus goes beyond his physical beginning and to the very beginning of time in accordance with the Torah in Micah 5v2. John also drew his inspiration from the book of proverbs about the wisdom of God which was with God in the beginning (Proverbs 8v1). For john, the messaiah is from everlasting. Only Matthew takes it personal but even he traced jesus genealogy from Joseph.



Well anyone who reads the gospels for themselves would see that their theme and characters are Jewish. Judaism today cannot be compared to the Judaism of the 1st century. The Judaism of the first century believed in a whole lot of things about messaiah and interpreted scripture in different ways. Many jews believe isaiah 53 is about messaiah, and only after the 2nd century do we begin to see jews who reject that interpretation claiming Isaiah 53 is about Israel. Christianity was born almost single handedly from the interpretation of Isaiah 53, and the last time I checked the Roman's didn't write that book.

All those are not important concerning the messiah..

Isaiah 53 has always been about Israel..no jew ever believed otherwise..time after time Isaiah said the servant was israel..isaiah 41:8-9..and in other places..

The main purpose of the messiah was to bring peace..end all wars..Isaiah says "they will hammer their swords into ploughshres..and learn of war no more.."that is what the messiah will usher in..it has not happened..so we are all waiting for the messiah..becauae of the universal peace it promises..

donnie:


You have not answered my questions... What do you do about you sins? MESSIAH will save those who have been made alive by his sacrifice; those who have turned away from breaking the commandments and from following idols like ISU AMA and NDEM to serve the living YAHUAH. YAHUAH is the greatest. He is the one who gave MESSIAH dominion and authority.

AND yes, MESSIAH will come to save us from our enemies. And he is not MNK.

Lol..might be..God already gave a solution to the problem of sin in 2nd chronicles 7:14..read it up..

sonmvayina:

All those are not important concerning the messiah..

Isaiah 53 has always been about Israel..no jew ever believed otherwise..time after time Isaiah said the servant was israel..isaiah 41:8-9..and in other places..

The main purpose of the messiah was to bring peace..end all wars..Isaiah says "they will hammer their swords into ploughshres..and learn of war no more.."that is what the messiah will usher in..it has not happened..so we are all waiting for the messiah..becauae of the universal peace it promises..

If I show you Rabbis in time past who believed Isaiah 53 was about Messaiah, would you agree with me that you are simply ignorant of Jewish interpretation of messaiah in time past?

GeneralDae:

If I show you Rabbis in time past who believed Isaiah 53 was about Messaiah, would you agree with me that you are simply ignorant of Jewish interpretation of messaiah in time past?

Lol..you read it yourself ,start from 51..and read till the end of 53..and judge for yourself..

sonmvayina:


Lol..you read it yourself ,start from 51..and read till the end of 53..and judge for yourself..

There were different servants in the book of Isaiah. Israel and the messaiah ( representing Israel) were linked together in Isaiah as God's servant. For example the servant of God in Isaiah 49v6 is clearly not Israel, as everyone can clearly see, because that servant was supposed to lead Israel to God, so also the servant in Isaiah 53 because he was stricken for God's people isreal and he had done no violence. Isreal in the book of Isaiah had done violence, they were sinners and a people of unclean lips.
Therefore, it is common sense to conclude that both Isaiah 49and 53 are not talking about isreal as God servants in context but about another servant closely linked with isreal or carrying the burden of isreal.

GeneralDae:

There were different servants in the book of Isaiah. Israel and the messaiah ( representing Israel) were linked together in Isaiah as God's servant. For example the servant of God in Isaiah 49v6 is clearly not Israel, as everyone can clearly see, because that servant was supposed to lead Israel to God, so also the servant in Isaiah 53 because he was stricken for God's people isreal and he had done no violence. Isreal in the book of Isaiah had done violence, they were sinners and a people of unclean lips.
Therefore, it is common sense to conclude that both Isaiah 49and 53 are not talking about isreal as God servants in context but about another servant closely linked with isreal or carrying the burden of isreal.

Read it in context..49 is talking about two servants quite alright..Isaiah and israel..start from verse 1..it will be clear..

53 is talking about a servant that is suffering because of what was done to him..and it is what the kings of the earth will say or similar words when they discover that israel was right all along and inoscent of all accusations..read them in context..

sonmvayina:


Lol...that is the purpose of the story..he does not accept human sacrifices..only animals and plants..

So if anybody ask you for human sacrifice ,tell them God abhores it..

And that's is why you use animals and herbs in your juju shrines and offer to ancestors and claim it's to the Most High deceiving yourself.

BREAKING NEWS: You are offering those sacrifices to devils and you know it. Because YAHUAH will not share his glory with idols or any dead ancestor.

Those spirits you are summoning are not your ancestors but familiar spirits. It's called VOODOO.

sonmvayina:


Read it in context..49 is talking about two servants quite alright..Isaiah and israel..start from verse 1..it will be clear..

53 is talking about a servant that is suffering because of what was done to him..and it is what the kings of the earth will say or similar words when they discover that israel was right all along and inoscent of all accusations..read them in context..

Lol, isaiah 49 is about Isaiah? are you Kidding me? In Isaiah 49v3, that servants' name was also called Israel.

..He said unto me, you are my servant O Israel in whom I would be glorified.
Isaiah 49v3.

When did Isaiah become Israel who raises up the tribes of Jacob and becomes Gods salvation to all the world? Isaiah never gathered isreal or restored the tribes and he never had disciples or followers who did that in his name or proclaimed that he would do that, so Isaiah cannot be the servant in Isaiah 49.

Note that the servant in Isaiah 49 is thesame servant in Isaiah 42v4.

He will not fall nor be discouraged till he has established justice in the earth, and the coast lands shall wait for his law
Isaiah 42v4

The coastlands never waited for Isaiah's law and Isaiah had no new law to give to the gentiles. So this servant was to be a law giver who upholds justice for the world, he was a man like moses. Isaiah as the servant is again ruled out in all of these.

As for Isaiah 53, that passage is quite clear to me. This is clearly about a man whose visage was mared more than any man or the sons of men, that prophecy fits jesus better than isreal, I have tried not to be biased on this passage, but I just don't see how isreal fulfills this scripture. To fit in isreal here rather than this referring to a single man who suffered all these things and bore the iniquity of God's people ( isreal) is a stretch. Read again...

For he was cut off from the land of the living, for the transgression of my people he was stricken (Isaiah 53v8). Please explain to me how Israel was stricken for the transgression of the gentiles, when the Torah always made it clear that God would punish isreal and send them into exile because of their own sins?

You reason am nah, my guy.

donnie:


And that's is why you use animals and herbs in your juju shrines and offer to ancestors and claim it's to the Most High deceiving yourself.

BREAKING NEWS: You are offering those sacrifices to devils and you know it. Because YAHUAH will not share his glory with idols or any dead ancestor.

Those spirits you are summoning are not your ancestors but familiar spirits. It's called VOODOO.

Please see a psychiatrist...asap

GeneralDae:

Lol, isaiah 49 is about Isaiah? are you Kidding me? In Isaiah 49v3, that servants' name was also called Israel.

..He said unto me, you are my servant O Israel in whom I would be glorified.
Isaiah 49v3.

When did Isaiah become Israel who raises up the tribes of Jacob and becomes Gods salvation to all the world? Isaiah never gathered isreal or restored the tribes and he never had disciples or followers who did that in his name or proclaimed that he would do that, so Isaiah cannot be the servant in Isaiah 49.

Note that the servant in Isaiah 49 is thesame servant in Isaiah 42v4.

He will not fall nor be discouraged till he has established justice in the earth, and the coast lands shall wait for his law
Isaiah 42v4

The coastlands never waited for Isaiah's law and Isaiah had no new law to give to the gentiles. So this servant was to be a law giver who upholds justice for the world, he was a man like moses. Isaiah as the servant is again ruled out in all of these.

As for Isaiah 53, that passage is quite clear to me. This is clearly about a man whose visage was mared more than any man or the sons of men, that prophecy fits jesus better than isreal, I have tried not to be biased on this passage, but I just don't see how isreal fulfills this scripture. To fit in isreal here rather than this referring to a single man who suffered all these things and bore the iniquity of God's people ( isreal) is a stretch. Read again...

For he was cut off from the land of the living, for the transgression of my people he was stricken (Isaiah 53v8). Please explain to me how Israel was stricken for the transgression of the gentiles, when the Torah always made it clear that God would punish isreal and send them into exile because of their own sins?

You reason am nah, my guy.

You are reading a greek translation..read a version that is translated directly from Hebrew to english..

https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15980

GeneralDae:

Lol, isaiah 49 is about Isaiah? are you Kidding me? In Isaiah 49v3, that servants' name was also called Israel.

..He said unto me, you are my servant O Israel in whom I would be glorified.
Isaiah 49v3.

When did Isaiah become Israel who raises up the tribes of Jacob and becomes Gods salvation to all the world? Isaiah never gathered isreal or restored the tribes and he never had disciples or followers who did that in his name or proclaimed that he would do that, so Isaiah cannot be the servant in Isaiah 49.

Note that the servant in Isaiah 49 is thesame servant in Isaiah 42v4.

He will not fall nor be discouraged till he has established justice in the earth, and the coast lands shall wait for his law
Isaiah 42v4

The coastlands never waited for Isaiah's law and Isaiah had no new law to give to the gentiles. So this servant was to be a law giver who upholds justice for the world, he was a man like moses. Isaiah as the servant is again ruled out in all of these.

As for Isaiah 53, that passage is quite clear to me. This is clearly about a man whose visage was mared more than any man or the sons of men, that prophecy fits jesus better than isreal, I have tried not to be biased on this passage, but I just don't see how isreal fulfills this scripture. To fit in isreal here rather than this referring to a single man who suffered all these things and bore the iniquity of God's people ( isreal) is a stretch. Read again...

For he was cut off from the land of the living, for the transgression of my people he was stricken (Isaiah 53v8). Please explain to me how Israel was stricken for the transgression of the gentiles, when the Torah always made it clear that God would punish isreal and send them into exile because of their own sins?

You reason am nah, my guy.

It is talking about a servant ....not a son or a demi god..hope you got that?

sonmvayina:


It is talking about a servant ....not a son or a demi god..hope you got that?

lol, jesus was never called a demi god. I know where your confusion lies. Also son of God both in Tanakh and new testament can also be a servant of God.
The new testament calls jesus a servant of God several times and even in the book of john, jesus called himself a man sent by God. It seems you've not read the new testament for yourself, your knowledge of christianity is based on hearsay, shallow criticism of christianity, conspiracy theorists, and what you perceive to be new testament christianity from other Christians. I see that you don't know much about the new testament writings. Read the gospels for yourself and critical scholarship surrounding the jesus story, then make your arguments from there not from hear say.

smile11s:


You don’t need to be Yoruba and I’m also not Yoruba. I’m Igbo. I study a lot of African religions and even as far as Papau New Guinea. They even have an Ikenga system over there.

Ifá is practiced throughout the Americas, West Africa, and the Canary Islands, in the form of a complex religious system, and plays a critical role in the traditions of Santería, Candomblé, Palo, Umbanda, Vodou, and other Afro-American faiths, as well as in some traditional African religions.

I know of this, and thanks. I'll update my progress here.

PAGAN9JA:


If you are not Yoruba then its pointless studying Ifa. Unless for research purposes.

I don't see it pointless studying IFA as I'm not Yoruba. We all have our convictions towards the belief in God.
If your reason has to do with my not understanding Yoruba, it's no hard issue as I understand Yoruba to a bit of the conversational level and I can improve on it with Time.

Which of the African beliefs do you follow Sir?

GeneralDae:

lol, jesus was never called a demi god. I know where your confusion lies. Also son of God both in Tanakh and new testament can also be a servant of God.
The new testament calls jesus a servant of God several times and even in the book of john, jesus called himself a man sent by God. It seems you've not read the new testament for yourself, your knowledge of christianity is based on hearsay, shallow criticism of christianity, conspiracy theorists, and what you perceive to be new testament christianity from other Christians. I see that you don't know much about the new testament writings. Read the gospels for yourself and critical scholarship surrounding the jesus story, then make your arguments from there not from hear say.

LOL.. But the story says he is a demi God, father is a God and mother a human being.. You don't really understand anything..

Did God ever say anywhere in the old testament that he will impregnate another man's wife to born the Messiah? If so point it out..

If not, then I am right in saying Jesus is a Roman creation..

sonmvayina:


LOL.. But the story says he is a demi God, father is a God and mother a human being.. You don't really understand anything..

Did God ever say anywhere in the old testament that he will impregnate another man's wife to born the Messiah? If so point it out..

If not, then I am right in saying Jesus is a Roman creation..

That's the problem, what story are you talking about? Matthew interprets Isaiah 7v14 to say jesus was born of a virgin, john and Mark do not say so in their writings, and paul had some of the earliest writings of christianity, where do you see this virgin birth story in paul's writing?
You are deliberately focusing on irrelevant things. The new testament does not say either that jesus is messaiah because he was born of a virgin, in all books when jesus was told to prove he is messaiah or son of God, he never said he is son of God because he is born of virgin.
You actually know nothing in this matter, and not willing to just read the gospels yourself, so I think I would allow you be.

GeneralDae:

That's the problem, what story are you talking about? Matthew interprets Isaiah 7v14 to say jesus was born of a virgin, john and Mark do not say so in their writings, and paul had some of the earliest writings of christianity, where do you see this virgin birth story in paul's writing?
You are deliberately focusing on irrelevant things. The new testament does not say either that jesus is messaiah because he was born of a virgin, in all books when jesus was told to prove he is messaiah or son of God, he never said he is son of God because he is born of virgin.
You actually know nothing in this matter, and not willing to just read the gospels yourself, so I think I would allow you be.

So he is useless then and a Distraction ..focus on the creator.. God is one lord.. Deuteronomy 6:4

sonmvayina:

So he is useless then and a Distraction ..focus on the creator.. God is one lord.. Deuteronomy 6:4

Yes God is one lord ( john 17v3, Matthew 12, Mark, etc)

GeneralDae:


Yes God is one lord ( john 17v3, Matthew 12, Mark, etc)

So what is the role of Jesus in the equation..?

sonmvayina:


So what is the role of Jesus in the equation..?

Showing us what God truly is. Not Moses, Elijah, etc.

The law came by Moses but grace and truth came by jesus christ

Without knowing the message of jesus, we cannot really say we know God as we should know him.
Jesus is described as the true representation of God all over the new testament( not just a prophet), this is where Christians got the misunderstanding that Jesus himself is God.

amidel:

I don't see it pointless studying IFA as I'm not Yoruba. We all have our convictions towards the belief in God.
If your reason has to do with my not understanding Yoruba, it's no hard issue as I understand Yoruba to a bit of the conversational level and I can improve on it with Time.

Which of the African beliefs do you follow Sir?

To be a practioner of Traditional Religion, you must first understand the point of what a Traditional Religion is. It is the natural tribal religion and culture of a people. The reason why I told you its pointless following Ifa if you have no genetic connection with it is because the whole point of the faith is the veneration of Yoruba ancestors and Spirits. Ancestors will naturally have a strong spiritual connection with its own people. Moreover Traditional religion is just a tribes way of relating with spirituality based on their personal culture and language. But this is not random, rather if you compare tribal rleigions around the world, they miraculously have the same underlying core concepts.

Don't confuse traditional religion with abrahamic religion. There is no 1 true religion here therefore there is no space or point of conversion here. It doesn't make any sense in this context. If I speak Hausa, I will naturally pray to my Nature spirits/Gods and my Ancestor Spirits as per my culture and rituals passed down to me by my ancestors in a way I can naturally relate to them from my very ingrained human construct and in my language/tongue. Why would I pray as per the Yoruba culture. Ofcourse I can but it wont make any sense. Because its the same yet it is different.

If I travel to Osun Osogbo I will pray to Iya Osun, however I will not replace my faith with it. Because if I did so, it will be akin to changing my very identity. But as the saying goes,.... A zebra cannot change its stripes. We are bound to our ancestors and the Gods of our ancestors.


I follow Hausa religion - Boori