₦airaland Forum

Text: (2 Timothy 2:24-26) And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Have you ever heard this saying "will the devil ever repent?’’ The devil will never repent because he won’t accept the truth about himself. James 2:19 shows that the devil believes and tremble, meaning he believes the truth but not the truth about himself. (Read Isaiah 14:12-15). He is still doing what he is doing because he refuses to accept what the Bible says about his end. Why people don’t get saved is because they refuse to accept what the Bible says about their end.

What about Christians? Will they ever repent? (Repentance means change of mind over your sinful condition). A Christian will never repent except he accepts the truth about himself. The Bible is a mirror (James 1:23). If the mirror is truth, then you got a comparison. If you don’t line up with what’s in that mirror, then there is something wrong with you, not the mirror. The fact of the matter is that the mirror that you’re looking at is the image you’re to be conformed to. People don’t like the light the Bible gives. When you turn that light on you instead on Christ, you become the spotlight and the light blinds you.

Now there is hard truth in the Bible. The truth about you. The problem is that we are rebellious in nature. That’s why the devil takes us captive at his will. Ephesians 4 and Galatians 5 are personality traits. They are all emotions. That’s why the Lord is working on the hearts of people. When God says you’re the problem, that’s when you get all emotional. If you accept the truth, you’ll get more than you bargained for. If you confess your sins, it will protect you from the devil. People will claim they believe the Bible but not what it says about them. This prevents them from seeing the truth about themselves. Prov 5:21-23 shows that the problem is that man won’t receive instruction to get himself out from trouble. Moses was considered the meekest man because he is willing to be taught and accepts the hard truth about who he is.

Now I followed the end sars protest. I saw bunch of Christians rebelling against the government. Romans 13 commands that Christians should submit to the powers that be. And your preachers speaking against the government. You know one of the signs of false preachers is that they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities (Jude 8, 2 Peter 2:10). All I saw that was protesting is simply bunch of sinners (fraudsters/thieves, fornicators, prostitutes, liars, idolaters, murderers, people filled with bitterness, envy, strife, etc). They didn’t know that we are sojourners here in this world (Lev 26). That this world was given to the devil (Luke 4), that the devil is the god of this world and was ordained by God (2 Cor 4:4). That the powers that be were all ordained by God (Romans 13). Sinners judging sinners. People will always try to use what someone else is doing to justify what they are doing. Eg: I drink but I don’t smoke like others. I smoke weed but I don’t smoke cigarette. I smoke cigarettes but I don’t smoke crack like others. People getting wise concerning evil. In Philippians 3, the apostle Paul said "I am the problem." That’s why he is a successful Christian. Can you do the same? Use your eyes to look at yourself, not other people. When you use your eyes to look at other people, you can’t see yourself. If husband and wife could go to that mirror (Bible) and look at themselves, they will find out that he or she is actually the problem. Wife you’re not submissive is not because of your husband, it’s because you hate the Bible and what it says about you. Husband you don’t love your wife and you’re bitter towards her is because you don’t like the Bible and what it says about you. If someone slaps you or hit your car on the road, what will you do? Fight the person? What if the Lord allowed it to happen to show you that you got a problem? Real power is knowing that you can, but you don’t always have to. The Lord is coming and His message hasn’t changed. Stop opposing yourself. If you’re still pointing at people, then you’re no different from the devil. Accept the truth of who you are (a sinner), then let the Lord work out the rest.

hmmm

Only imperfect creatures can repent perfect ones already have clear thinking abilities with nothing to hinder their thoughts nor circumstances that could shapen their reasoning. They have perfect minds, so once they choose a course nothing as in NOTHING can change it, that's why God pronounced death on Satan, Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve died a natural death because their continuous existence depends on their body so if the body deteriorates they grow old, sick and die.
Satan's continuous existence depends on the number of his deluded subjects so as long as their are imperfect humans to rule Satan will continue to exist, that's why God promised a time of judgment when he (God) will put an end to all badness, it's then that God will destroy Satan for good.
So it's imperfect but intelligent creatures (humans) that have the prospect of repentance perfect creatures (angels) can't repent because they have 100% sharp minds to remember what is right, they choose what they want unlike humans that circumstances determines what we will do no condition can change whatever perfect creatures determine to do!

God bless you!

iyambz:
Text: (2 Timothy 2:24-26) And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Have you ever heard this saying "will the devil ever repent?’’ The devil will never repent because he won’t accept the truth about himself. James 2:19 shows that the devil believes and tremble, meaning he believes the truth but not the truth about himself. (Read Isaiah 14:12-15). He is still doing what he is doing because he refuses to accept what the Bible says about his end. Why people don’t get saved is because they refuse to accept what the Bible says about their end.

What about Christians? Will they ever repent? (Repentance means change of mind over your sinful condition). A Christian will never repent except he accepts the truth about himself. The Bible is a mirror (James 1:23). If the mirror is truth, then you got a comparison. If you don’t line up with what’s in that mirror, then there is something wrong with you, not the mirror. The fact of the matter is that the mirror that you’re looking at is the image you’re to be conformed to. People don’t like the light the Bible gives. When you turn that light on you instead on Christ, you become the spotlight and the light blinds you.

Now there is hard truth in the Bible. The truth about you. The problem is that we are rebellious in nature. That’s why the devil takes us captive at his will. Ephesians 4 and Galatians 5 are personality traits. They are all emotions. That’s why the Lord is working on the hearts of people. When God says you’re the problem, that’s when you get all emotional. If you accept the truth, you’ll get more than you bargained for. If you confess your sins, it will protect you from the devil. People will claim they believe the Bible but not what it says about them. This prevents them from seeing the truth about themselves. Prov 5:21-23 shows that the problem is that man won’t receive instruction to get himself out from trouble. Moses was considered the meekest man because he is willing to be taught and accepts the hard truth about who he is.

Now I followed the end sars protest. I saw bunch of Christians rebelling against the government. Romans 13 commands that Christians should submit to the powers that be. And your preachers speaking against the government. You know one of the signs of false preachers is that they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities (Jude 8, 2 Peter 2:10). All I saw that was protesting is simply bunch of sinners (fraudsters/thieves, fornicators, prostitutes, liars, idolaters, murderers, people filled with bitterness, envy, strife, etc). They didn’t know that we are sojourners here in this world (Lev 26). That this world was given to the devil (Luke 4), that the devil is the god of this world and was ordained by God (2 Cor 4:4). That the powers that be were all ordained by God (Romans 13). Sinners judging sinners. People will always try to use what someone else is doing to justify what they are doing. Eg: I drink but I don’t smoke like others. I smoke weed but I don’t smoke cigarette. I smoke cigarettes but I don’t smoke crack like others. People getting wise concerning evil. In Philippians 3, the apostle Paul said "I am the problem." That’s why he is a successful Christian. Can you do the same? Use your eyes to look at yourself, not other people. When you use your eyes to look at other people, you can’t see yourself. If husband and wife could go to that mirror (Bible) and look at themselves, they will find out that he or she is actually the problem. Wife you’re not submissive is not because of your husband, it’s because you hate the Bible and what it says about you. Husband you don’t love your wife and you’re bitter towards her is because you don’t like the Bible and what it says about you. If someone slaps you or hit your car on the road, what will you do? Fight the person? What if the Lord allowed it to happen to show you that you got a problem? Real power is knowing that you can, but you don’t always have to. The Lord is coming and His message hasn’t changed. Stop opposing yourself. If you’re still pointing at people, then you’re no different from the devil. Accept the truth of who you are (a sinner), then let the Lord work out the rest.

Isaiah 14 has nothing to do with the devil. Instead it is a dirge to either the King of Babylon or Tyre. I forget which is written there in Isaiah and which in Ezekiel

The moon is the devil. The ruler of darkness. Where did you get the idea that the moon or darkness is evil ?

The devil is the personification of darkness, symbolised by the moon or a goat. In most mythology he is represented by a man with a goat head always sitting.

Light and darkness are complimentary, not opposing. We need both to survive. It is the principles of duality. God created everything in twos.

Kobojunkie:
Isaiah 14 has nothing to do with the devil. Instead it is a dirge to either the King of Babylon or Tyre. I forget which is written there in Isaiah and which in Ezekiel

That’s why you need to get a KJV Bible and not from the perverted Bible you’re reading from. And concerning the king of Tyre, God addresses Satan through the king of Tyre in Ezekiel 28, exactly as He addressed Satan through Simon Peter in Matt 16:23. So instead of you to get the message I passed, you’re here looking for an argument. Get a KJV 1611 Bible. That’s the only pure and perfect word of God.

iyambz:
That’s why you need to get a KJV Bible and not from the perverted Bible you’re reading from. And concerning the king of Tyre, God addresses Satan through the king of Tyre in Ezekiel 28, exactly as He addressed Satan through Simon Peter in Matt 16:23. So instead of you to get the message I passed, you’re here looking for an argument. Get a KJV 1611 Bible. That’s the only pure and perfect word of God.

I am afraid the reason why you were carried away there is exactly because you read from a BIble written in the 1600s by a King whose mission was to create a Book for his own version of the religion.
In verse 4 of Isaiah 14, you are told that the following is a dirge, not to Lucifer whom many of you like to pretend is another name of Satan, but instead to the King of Babylon

Isaiah 14 vs 4- 21 (ERV)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4. At that time you will begin to sing this song about the king of Babylon:The king was cruel when he ruled us, but now his rule is finished.
5. The Lord breaks the scepter of evil rulers; he takes away their power.
6. In anger, the king of Babylon beat the people. He never stopped beating them.He was an evil ruler who ruled in anger. He never stopped hurting people.
7. But now, the whole country rests and is quiet. Now the people begin to celebrate.
8. You were an evil king, and now you are finished.Even the pine trees are happy. The cedar trees of Lebanon rejoice.They say, “The king chopped us down, but now the king has fallen, and he will never stand again.”
9. The place of death is excited that you are coming.Sheol is waking the spirits of all the leaders of the earth for you.Sheol is making the kings stand up from their thrones to meet you.
10. They will make fun of you, saying, “Now you are as dead as we are. Now you are just like us.”
11. Your pride has been sent down to Sheol. The music from your harps announces the coming of your proud spirit.Maggots will be the bed you lie on, and other worms will cover your body like a blanket.
12. You were like the morning star, but you have fallen from the sky.In the past, all the nations on earth bowed down before you, but now you have been cut down.
13. You always told yourself, “I will go to the skies above.I will put my throne above God’s stars. I will sit on Zaphon, the holy mountain where the gods meet.
[b] 14. I will go up to the altar above the tops of the clouds. I will be like God Most High.”
15. But that did not happen. You were brought down to the deep pit—Sheol, the place of death.
16. People will come to look at your dead body. They will think about you and say,“Is this the same man who caused great fear in all the kingdoms on earth,
17. who destroyed cities and turned the land into a desert,who captured people in war and would not let them go home?”
18. The kings of other nations lie buried with honor, each king with his own grave.
19. But you were thrown out of your grave like a branch cut from a tree and thrown away.You are like a dead man who fell in battle, trampled under the feet of other soldiers.Now you look like any other dead man wrapped in burial clothes.
20. Other kings have their own graves, but you will not join them, because you ruined your own country and killed your own people. So your wicked descendants will be stopped.
21. Prepare to kill his children, because their father is guilty. His children will never take control of the land. They will never fill the world with their cities.

A similar dirge can be found in the book of Ezekiel, chapter 28, where instead the dirge is sung to the King of Tyre.

Ezekiel 28 vs 1- 19 (ERV)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. The word of the Lord came to me. He said,
2. “Son of man,[a] say to the ruler of Tyre, ‘This is what the Lord God says:
“‘You are very proud! And you say, “I am a god! I sit on the seat of gods in the middle of the seas.” “‘But you are a man and not God! You only think you are a god.
3. You think you are wiser than Daniel and no secret is hidden from you.
4. Through your wisdom and understanding you have gotten riches for yourself. And you put gold and silver in your treasuries.
5. Through your great wisdom and trade, you have made your riches grow. And now you are proud because of those riches.
6. “‘So this is what the Lord God says: Tyre, you thought you were like a god.
7. I will bring strangers to fight against you. They are most terrible among the nations! They will pull out their swords and use them against the beautiful things your wisdom brought you. They will ruin your glory.
8. They will bring you down to the grave. You will be like a sailor who died at sea.
9. That person will kill you. Will you still say, “I am a god”? No, he will have you in his power! You will see that you are a man, not God!
10. Strangers will treat you like a foreigner[c] and kill you, because I gave the command!’” This is what the Lord God said.
11. The word of the Lord came to me. He said,
12. “Son of man, sing this sad song about[/b]the king of [b]Tyre. Say to him, ‘This is what the Lord God says: “‘You were the perfect man— so full of wisdom and perfectly handsome.
13. You were in Eden, the garden of God. You had every precious stone— rubies, topaz, and diamonds, beryls, onyx, and jasper, sapphires, turquoise, and emeralds. And each of these stones was set in gold. You were given this beauty on the day you were created. God made you strong.
14. You were one of the chosen Cherubs who spread your wings over my throne. I put you on the holy mountain of God. You walked among the jewels that sparkled like fire.
15. You were good and honest when I created you, but then you became evil.
16. Your business brought you many riches. But they also put cruelty inside you, and you sinned.
So I treated you like something unclean and threw you off the mountain of God. You were one of the chosen Cherubs who spread your wings over my throne. But I forced you to leave the jewels that sparkled like fire.
17. Your beauty made you proud. Your glory ruined your wisdom. So I threw you down to the ground, and now other kings stare at you.
18. You did many wrong things. You were a very crooked merchant. In this way you made the holy places unclean. So I brought fire from inside you. It burned you! You burned to ashes on the ground. Now everyone can see your shame.
19. “‘All the people in other nations were shocked about what happened to you. What happened to you will make people very afraid You are finished!’”

Mark the similarities in the tone of each dirge. Also, realize that it is of great importance to context passages in the complete context they were presented in, in order that you do not lose the message contained.

Kobojunkie:
Isaiah 14 has nothing to do with the devil. Instead it is a dirge to either the King of Babylon or Tyre. I forget which is written there in Isaiah and which in Ezekiel

Isa 14:12- How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word Lucifer is a Latin word meaning "a bearer of light"; it is a translation of a Hebrew word meaning "the shining one." There is no doubt that it is a reference to the Devil, since he appears as "an angel of light" (2 Cor 11:14 kjv). The new bibles try to convert him to Jesus Christ by translating the word as "morning star" (eg NIV) or "day star" (eg RSV). Christ is given the title of "the morning star" in regards the His millennial rule (Rev 2:27-28; 22:16 kjv), and He is called "the day star" in His role as the indwelling Saviour (in person of the Holy Spirit) inside the body of the believer (2 Pet 1:19). The change is proof positive that the modern translations have a spirit behind them- an unclean spirit.

Kobojunkiee:
I am afraid the reason why you were carried away there is exactly because you read from a BIble written in the 1600s by a King whose mission was to create a Book for his own version of the religion.
In verse 4 of Isaiah 14, you are told that the following is a dirge, not to Lucifer whom many of you like to pretend is another name of Satan, but instead to the King of Babylon


A similar dirge can be found in the book of Ezekiel, chapter 28, where instead the dirge is sung to the King of Tyre.

Mark the similarities in the tone of each dirge. Also, realize that it is of great importance to context passages in the complete context they were presented in, in order that you do not lose the message contained.

Like is said earlier, you’re just looking for an argument.

iyambz:
Isa 14:12- How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word Lucifer is a Latin word meaning "a bearer of light"; it is a translation of a Hebrew word meaning "the shining one." There is no doubt that it is a reference to the Devil, since he appears as "an angel of light" (2 Cor 11:14 kjv). The new bibles try to convert him to Jesus Christ by translating the word as "morning star" (eg NIV) or "day star" (eg RSV). Christ is given the title of "the morning star" in regards the His millennial rule (Rev 2:27-28; 22:16 kjv), and He is called "the day star" in His role as the indwelling Saviour (in person of the Holy Spirit) inside the body of the believer (2 Pet 1:19). The change is proof positive that the modern translations have a spirit behind them- an unclean spirit.

The "word" lucifer was first used by the man who would later become King James book in his book "Demonologie" and was later applied to his translation of the term in the bible, hence the reason why you have that word "lucifer" in your KJV bible. Fortunately, if you paid close attention, you would have noted from the beginning of the chapter that the entire dirge was, in fact, sang to the King of Babylon and not to a phantom character called lucifer.

iyambz:
Like is said earlier, you’re just looking for an argument.

You created this issue... I am simply trying to get you see your error. Go do some research on the genesis of the claim that the King of Babylon is some character called Lucifer, and maybe then you can gain insight into this on your own.

Kobojunkiee:
You created this issue... I am simply trying to get you see your error. Go do some research on the genesis of the claim that the King of Babylon is some character called Lucifer, and maybe then you can gain insight into this on your own.

2 Tim 3:7 - "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth".

iyambz:
2 Tim 3:7 - "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth".

That in fact applies to you since you have somehow locked yourself into believing that the power of God only extends up to the KJV bible and no other translation.

You need to use your head. Those books were written by human hands, translated from one human language to another and read by human minds. If what is written in one translation does not coincide with what is written in another, then it means there is likely human error behind it and it is then up to you to do your research in figuring out where the problem comes from. The inane response is to limit yourself to one as if God Himself is suddenly limited.

Kobojunkiee:
That in fact applies to you since you have somehow locked yourself into believing that the power of God only extends up to the KJV bible and no other translation.

You need to use your head. Those books were written by human hands, translated from one human language to another and read by human minds. If what is written in one translation does not coincide with what is written in another, then it means there is likely human error behind it and it is then up to you to do your research in figuring out where the problem comes from. The inane response is to limit yourself to one as if God Himself is suddenly limited.

Psalms 119:89 "For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven".

Psalms 138:2 "I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name".

It’s obvious you have a problem with the Bible. Listen brother, if it were you that posted something I found to be heretic on this forum, I will never comment nor even try to correct you. You know why? 2 Tim 3:13 "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived". You got a heart problem. I can’t help you.

iyambz:
Psalms 119:89 "For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven".

Psalms 138:2 "I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name".

It’s obvious you have a problem with the Bible. Listen brother, if it were you that posted something I found to be heretic on this forum, I will never comment nor even try to correct you. You know why? 2 Tim 3:13 "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived". You got a heart problem. I can’t help you.

At this point, I leave you to your delusion!

iyambz:
Like is said earlier, you’re just looking for an argument.

But he is right....context is key. The jews are strict monoethiest..they reverence only one God that is responsible for both good and evil.isaiah 45:7.