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Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by ArcFresky(m): 9:30am On Jan 13
jolyment:



You're right partially ,but will make education very expensive. Besides the requirements of being a lecturer will still make most of them qualified for the job. Recruiter will demand for articles, PhD, Professors etc.

Student loans....will ensure students just don't go to schools for paper, reduce cultism and increase the value of education.

Behind expensive is subjective.

1 million per year is not expensive, if you consider the fact that this will lead to a better workforce, increased productivity.. The advantages are numerous...
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by KOE1(m): 9:31am On Jan 13
Same parents who have children in Public School paying peanuts have children in private school and even abroad spending huge amounts. All is well.
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by KensonAbule(m): 9:32am On Jan 13
It's another strategy to still continue the Strike.
FG should suspend their salaries too.
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by Brunicekid(m): 9:50am On Jan 13
Slackerpenguin2:
The elephant in the room is the fact that government cannot adequately fund universities...and that has been the fact since 2012...when government had not paid N1.5 trillion of the three trillion funding promised to universities in the FG-ASUU agreement of 2009.

We run our universities at a loss. We expect our universities to be somehow like the big universities abroad, while we pay fees less than $300 yearly.

The problem is not ASUU, NASU, SSANU or even government. The problem is Nigerians who think they can get a Ferrari at the price of a bicycle. The minute we realise we cannot run our universities at a loss...and start allowing things like raised fees for example...then we will end up with some better universities.

Yes, my grandfather went to university cheaply...at a time when universities had less than 3000 students, there were only five or six of them, and the budget could cater for them. Now there are millions of students in 70 government owned universites, and the education budget can't even sustain primary schools adequately, talk less of universities.
Raised fees in this current Nigeria? That will make Education non-affordable for the majority of Nigerians whose living standard are low (poor).
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by silverlinen(m): 10:14am On Jan 13
Damn

Government never pay the money wey dem promise to pay by the end of December

And some idiatic folks for nairaland dey blame ASUU for not resuming yet

Stay at home continues jor until govt learn to honor promises

PEACE
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by Yampotatocarrot(m): 11:00am On Jan 13
Slackerpenguin2:
The elephant in the room is the fact that government cannot adequately fund universities...and that has been the fact since
students in 70 government owned universites, and the education budget can't even sustain primary schools adequately, talk less of universities.

As much as you are correct in your own way, have you considered that some state universities collect almost 200k as fees, with significant number of students, less lecturers, less buildings and are NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT?

Everybody get problem abeg... Is it the ASUU whose members use the same notes since 2016 till now, as if there have been no improvement in their fields of study, or is it NASU members that sit in offices eating okpa, acting like demi-gods while students line up outside under the sun, just because they are natives of the university community?

Las las, all of them are not alright
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by blackpanda: 11:10am On Jan 13
symbianDON:
government, not ASUU, is the biggest problem to education...from primary school level to tertiary education level. I don't see how ASUU has exhibited greed. The request that they should be paid their entitlements, isn't it legitimate? Didn't they work for it? Do Buhari, Osibanjo, senators and reps get owed backlog of salaries and allowances? Why then must workers always be ridiculed by government to the extent that they have to ALWAYS embark on avoidable strikes to get what belongs to them? If government had been paying these monies these unions are fighting over as they ought to have been paying, the present rancor would have been averted. Till we have a people-centric government, we will keep going round in vicious circles.

Why is ASUU always fighting for money that will enter their pockets and never infrastructure or money for innovation. In the decades of ASUU existence, can't u point to any of their achievements Any research In innovative development It's always about using the future of students as blackmail to hoodwink govt into giving them money.

You are talking about allowances. Who approved the allowances the lecturers are assigning to themselves?? What about all the school fees they collect, where does it enter The unapproved secondary schools they opened nko, who is collecting the money?? Where is the transparency and accountability the greedy lecturers claim to be fighting for?? Lubbish
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by blackpanda: 11:12am On Jan 13
shadeyinka:

Your bias has totally blinded you.
1. On what basis would ASUU fight for the other unions in the Universities when they couldn't form a united front in standing against IPPIS?
2. What was the JOINT agreement of ASUU with the FG about the money?
3. Who controls the payment of the money ASUU or the FG?

U are the one biased here. Can ASUU function without the other unions Smh
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by PrettySmart(m): 11:19am On Jan 13
I didn't even bother to read it... I sha know that whenever I see this man's face, it is always one kinda bad news...
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by Nobody: 11:54am On Jan 13
Yampotatocarrot:


As much as you are correct in your own way, have you considered that some state universities collect almost 200k as fees, with significant number of students, less lecturers, less buildings and are NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT?

Everybody get problem abeg... Is it the ASUU whose members use the same notes since 2016 till now, as if there have been no improvement in their fields of study, or is it NASU members that sit in offices eating okpa, acting like demi-gods while students line up outside under the sun, just because they are natives of the university community?

Las las, all of them are not alright

200k is not enough as fees...that's 525 dollars per annum.

Fees need to be much higher than that for universites really to have meaningful facilites.

You cannot be demanding Canada level facilites and UK level facilties at that low a cost.
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by Nobody: 11:56am On Jan 13
Brunicekid:
Raised fees in this current Nigeria? That will make Education non-affordable for the majority of Nigerians whose living standard are low (poor).

And the current low fees is why the government cannot afford better facilites and even better salaries.

If you don't want raised fees, then don't complain about the poor facilites we have or the half baked graduates we produce. You get what you pay for.

Or we take a big fat loan for universites.
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by bizme: 12:41pm On Jan 13
I like that: "The problem is Nigerians who think they can get a Ferrari at the price of a bicycle"

Slackerpenguin2:
The elephant in the room is the fact that government cannot adequately fund universities...and that has been the fact since 2012...when government had not paid N1.5 trillion of the three trillion funding promised to universities in the FG-ASUU agreement of 2009.

We run our universities at a loss. We expect our universities to be somehow like the big universities abroad, while we pay fees less than $300 yearly.

The problem is not ASUU, NASU, SSANU or even government. The problem is Nigerians who think they can get a Ferrari at the price of a bicycle. The minute we realise we cannot run our universities at a loss...and start allowing things like raised fees for example...then we will end up with some better universities.

Yes, my grandfather went to university cheaply...at a time when universities had less than 3000 students, there were only five or six of them, and the budget could cater for them. Now there are millions of students in 70 government owned universites, and the education budget can't even sustain primary schools adequately, talk less of universities.

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Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by Yampotatocarrot(m): 12:52pm On Jan 13
Slackerpenguin2:


200k is not enough as fees...that's 525 dollars per annum.

Fees need to be much higher than that for universites really to have meaningful facilites.

You cannot be demanding Canada level facilites and UK level facilties at that low a cost.

We are not demanding UK and Canada levels yet, let them give us Makelele and Stellenbosch level of facility with the money they collect first.

I don't think that's too much to ask for, don't you agree? Or do we shift it back to the governments? (Don't forget we're talking state universities that are already collecting huge fees and not Federal universities here)
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by Nobody: 12:55pm On Jan 13
Yampotatocarrot:


We are not demanding UK and Canada levels yet, let them give us Makelele and Stellenbosch level of facility with the money they collect first.

I don't think that's too much to ask for, don't you agree? Or do we shift it back to the governments? (Don't forget we're talking state universities that are already collecting huge fees and not Federal universities here)

South Africa has an education budget of 23 billion dollars and fees that start from 800000 naira

Stellenbosch fees are.between 44000 and 69000 rand...thats above 1million naira per annum


You sure you want that?
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by symbianDON(m): 12:57pm On Jan 13
blackpanda:


Why is ASUU always fighting for money that will enter their pockets and never infrastructure or money for innovation. In the decades of ASUU existence, can't u point to any of their achievements Any research In innovative development It's always about using the future of students as blackmail to hoodwink govt into giving them money.

You are talking about allowances. Who approved the allowances the lecturers are assigning to themselves?? What about all the school fees they collect, where does it enter The unapproved secondary schools they opened nko, who is collecting the money?? Where is the transparency and accountability the greedy lecturers claim to be fighting for?? Lubbish
you are still not getting my point. everything you have written still boils down to government. ASUU doesn't collect school fees, as far as I know. school management does. school management isn't ASUU. school fees goes in TSA account not individual pockets. you also raised issue of allowances. salaries and wages commission approves allowances, not ASUU. ASUU as a union CANNOT ascribe allowances to itself. as for the issue of research, let's be honest, are the universities equipped for that? how many university libraries have trending and current volumes of materials? how many universities have full and available internet on campus? how many of these lecturers have standard offices? how many laboratories have equipment in them? how then do we expect meaningful research work to be done?? until government begins to tackle matters rightly and from the root, we will remain right where we are now.
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by Yampotatocarrot(m): 1:20pm On Jan 13
Slackerpenguin2:


South Africa has an education budget of 23 billion dollars and fees that start from 800000 naira

Stellenbosch fees are.between 44000 and 69000 rand...thats above 1million naira per annum


You sure you want that?

For their citizens or outsiders? Let them do something with the little they have, then they can justify any further increase

Also, a serious state government should be able to "hand-twist" some corporate organisations and institutions in their states to erect buildings in the state university (if only the government won't pad the amount for such projects)

Note that some private universities have fees just a little above 200k and are doing well for themselves, even with their few students. Please, any state university with fees above 130k and still not being up to expectation isn't serious

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Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by Yankee101: 1:26pm On Jan 13
Commercialize the universities (i didn't say increase school fees)

Your ability to do research work that can help sustain you should be the basis of funding.

Any university that cannot produce actionable research should be allowed to die naturally.
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by Yesboss0009: 1:32pm On Jan 13
Education 4 naija na scam

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Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by Nobody: 2:06pm On Jan 13
Yampotatocarrot:


For their citizens or outsiders? Let them do something with the little they have, then they can justify any further increase

Also, a serious state government should be able to "hand-twist" some corporate organisations and institutions in their states to erect buildings in the state university (if only the government won't pad the amount for such projects)

Note that some private universities have fees just a little above 200k and are doing well for themselves, even with their few students. Please, any state university with fees above 130k and still not being up to expectation isn't serious

For their citizens
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by JSOnonivami(m): 2:15pm On Jan 13
IMASTEX:
This is why the school system won't get it right. They couldn't synchronized themselves for one course. Today ASUU tomorrow NASU.

And for medical students;
Next tomorrow JOHESU strike
the following day DOCTOR'S Strike
Next day PATIENTS' strike
Wahala for who dey medical school ooo

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Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by IMASTEX: 2:21pm On Jan 13
JSOnonivami:


And for medical students;
Next tomorrow JOHESU strike
the following day DOCTOR'S Strike
Next day PATIENTS' strike
Wahala for who dey medical school ooo
Yeah, if fact wahala for who school for Nigeria
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by Coolgent: 5:03pm On Jan 13
ASUU the 2nd name for corruption
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by shadeyinka(m): 6:36pm On Jan 13
blackpanda:


U are the one biased here. Can ASUU function without the other unions Smh
ASUU fought their own battles!

During the ASUU strike, what was the disposition of the other associations? Was it in ASUUs favour or anti-ASUU? Now, ASUU prevailed and they want to partake in the goodies. It is never done!
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by emorse(m): 1:04am On Jan 14
Slackerpenguin2:
The elephant in the room is the fact that government cannot adequately fund universities...and that has been the fact since 2012...when government had not paid N1.5 trillion of the three trillion funding promised to universities in the FG-ASUU agreement of 2009...
I've heard this argument time and again but I struggle to understand the logic behind it. How much does it cost to run a university? I don't need you to give me an actual figure but it would help if you could give me a rough list of items that make up the running cost of a typical university.

Also, I'm very sure you are aware that a number of countries offer tuition free university education to their citizens and even foreigners. How do they do it? What makes it impossible for us to adopt their template?

Please I'd really like to get answer to these questions even if for nothing but knowledge sake. Thanks.

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Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by emorse(m): 11:29am On Jan 15
@Slackerpenguin2, I'm still waiting for your response sir.
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by Nobody: 12:14pm On Jan 15
emorse:

I've heard this argument time and again but I struggle to understand the logic behind it. How much does it cost to run a university? I don't need you to give me an actual figure but it would help if you could give me a rough list of items that make up the running cost of a typical university.

The answer is...quite a lot.
ABU, Zaria has overhead costs, around 50 million naira montthly...and we haven't talked aboutt staff ssalalries, equipment, etc etc.

Plus universites need constant upgrading of things like libraries, equipment , etc

Then there is the fact that universites pay heavily now for utilites....
Also, I'm very sure you are aware that a number of countries offer tuition free university education to their citizens and even foreigners. How do they do it? What makes it impossible for us to adopt their template?

Please I'd really like to get answer to these questions even if for nothing but knowledge sake. Thanks.

OK...HEREwe go

Denmark ...free education, tax to gdp 44.9%
Germany too....tax to gdp 38.2%
Norway tax to gdp ratio 38.9%
Sweden tax to gdp ratio 43.9%
Finland tax to gdp ratio 42.7%
Austria tax to gdp 42.9%
Czech 35.3%
France 46.1%

All the above have free education and have high tax to gdp ratios..

Now Nigeria ....has a tax to gdp ratio of 5.8%

We charge much less in tax than these big countries...and you want us to offer free education with what money? When we charge less in tax?

Yet., if the government raises taxes....people like you will complain.

Now you know why Nigeria cannot afford free edducation.

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Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by emorse(m): 2:28am On Jan 16
Slackerpenguin2:


The answer is...quite a lot.
ABU, Zaria has overhead costs, around 50 million naira montthly...and we haven't talked aboutt staff ssalalries, equipment, etc etc...
Now you know why Nigeria cannot afford free edducation.
OK. Really good point. However, I still think it's not enough to draw conclusions from.

We live in a country where the minimum wage is less than $1k p. a. Our politicians earn in excess of a thousand times that figure. Like that is not bad enough, these minimum wage earners basically perform the functions of government (power, water, security, etc) for themselves. Now you're saying the relatively cheap tertiary education which is about the only thing they can struggle to benefit from the government should be taken away?

Whatever happened to prudence and accountability in government? Whatever happened to the implementation of favourable economic policies? Whatever happened to proper resource management and distribution?

See, inasmuch as it is unarguable that our tertiary institutions require better funding, I think government can shoulder the responsibility if things are properly done. It will be very insensitive to pass the buck unto the table of the struggling Nigerian.
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by Nobody: 6:46am On Jan 16
emorse:

OK. Really good point. However, I still think it's not enough to draw conclusions from.

We live in a country where the minimum wage is less than $1k p. a. Our politicians earn in excess of a thousand times that figure. Like that is not bad enough, these minimum wage earners basically perform the functions of government (power, water, security, etc) for themselves. Now you're saying the relatively cheap tertiary education which is about the only thing they can struggle to benefit from the government should be taken away?

Whatever happened to prudence and accountability in government? Whatever happened to the implementation of favourable economic policies? Whatever happened to proper resource management and distribution?

See, inasmuch as it is unarguable that our tertiary institutions require better funding, I think government can shoulder the responsibility if things are properly done. It will be very insensitive to pass the buck unto the table of the struggling Nigerian.

Okay, then you have to axcept the universities as they are.

Because that is what Nigeria can afford for now.
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by emorse(m): 12:42pm On Jan 16
Slackerpenguin2:


Okay, then you have to axcept the universities as they are.

Because that is what Nigeria can afford for now.

No. That's where I don't agree with you. Africa's largest economy can afford much more than we currently have. We have to demand for accountability and good governance in general.

Nigerians are already paying dearly for our leaders' profligacy. We shouldn't have to pay more.
Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by proffemi: 1:05pm On Jan 16
emorse:

No. That's where I don't agree with you. Africa's largest economy can afford much more than we currently have. We have to demand for accountability and good governance in general .
Nigerians are already paying dearly for our leaders' profligacy. We shouldn't have to pay more.

I have to give it to Slackerpenguin2. The point he's making is one I have made on this forum multiple times, but he seems to be a far more patient man than I. I'm surprised at your post above even after he obliged you by providing the explanation you asked for (high tax-to-GDP ratio allows some nations to provide "free" education, but we have a very low ratio).

The answers you seek have been provided. Accepting them or sticking with preconceptions is a matter of choice.

Cheers.

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Re: ₦40 Billion Allowance: ASUU Defends Sharing Formula, Varsity Workers Protest by proffemi: 1:06pm On Jan 16
Slackerpenguin2:

Okay, then you have to axcept the universities as they are.
Because that is what Nigeria can afford for now.
I don't know who you are, but you have my Educator of the Day award grin .
Well done.

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