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Grace by ChigozieVictor(m): 10:29pm On Apr 12
"Grace is a Divine Enablement and gift given to men by God to succeed on Earth"- Chigozie Victor Uwalaka

Zechariah 4:6b" the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit [of Whom the oil is a symbol], says the Lord of hosts."
Men cannot succeed without his enablement so empowers man with Grace as an assistance to help them succeed. Holy Spirit is not just a person but an embodiment of God's Grace that help men become Victorious.

©Chigozie Victor Uwalaka
Re: Grace by Kobojunkiee: 10:35pm On Apr 12
ChigozieVictor:
"Grace is a Divine Enablement and gift given to men by God to succeed on Earth"- Chigozie Victor Uwalaka
Zechariah 4:6b" the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit [of Whom the oil is a symbol], says the Lord of hosts."
Interestingly, you are the first that I have met who's been able to put a clear definition to the term "grace" as used by those of the gospel of grace.undecided
So, am I to believe that grace is a term to refer to the person of the Spirit of God? Or is it something else? undecided
ChigozieVictor:
Men cannot succeed without his enablement so empowers man with Grace as an assistance to help them succeed. Holy Spirit is not just a person but an embodiment of God's Grace that help men become Victorious.
©Chigozie Victor Uwalaka
When you say men cannot succeed, what exactly are men expected to succeed at? undecided
Re: Grace by ChigozieVictor(m): 10:49pm On Apr 12
succeeding in every aspect of life;restoring their dominion on Earth
Re: Grace by Kobojunkiee: 10:53pm On Apr 12
ChigozieVictor:
succeeding in every aspect of life;restoring their dominion on Earth
At what point in history was man not capable of this kind of success? undecided

Also, if the Holy Spirit is the embodiment of the grace of God which you speak of, what part does Jesus Christ and His teachings play in all of this? undecided
Re: Grace by ChigozieVictor(m): 10:55pm On Apr 12
Holy Spirit as a personality is an embodiment of Grace.
Act 1: 8 " But you shall receive power (ability, efficiency, and might) when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you shall be My witnesses in Jerusalem and all Judea and Samaria and to the ends (the very bounds) of the earth."

Grace is power,extra ability to function and become witnesses of Christ.
Re: Grace by Kobojunkiee: 11:02pm On Apr 12
ChigozieVictor:
Holy Spirit as a personality is an embodiment of Grace.
Act 1: 8 " But you shall receive power (ability, efficiency, and might) when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you shall be My witnesses in Jerusalem and all Judea and Samaria and to the ends (the very bounds) of the earth."

Grace is power, extra ability to function and become witnesses of Christ.
So, when Jesus Christ gave the disciples power over all sicknesses and demons, what was that? undecided

Luke 9 vs 1-6 (ERV)
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1. And he called the twelve together and gave them power and authority over all demons and to cure diseases,
2. and he sent them out to proclaim the kingdom of God and to heal.
3. And he said to them, “Take nothing for your journey, no staff, nor bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not have two tunics.[a]
4. And whatever house you enter, stay there, and from there depart.
5. And wherever they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them.”
6. And they departed and went through the villages, preaching the gospel and healing everywhere.
Also, recall that the same Spirit of God was there in the Old Testament days of anointings. Are you suggesting that the grace of God that you speak of was available even to those of the Old Covenant?undecided
Re: Grace by ChigozieVictor(m): 11:05pm On Apr 12
The working of the Holy spirit is to release his gift to help men effectively serve God and fulfill his will on earth.
The death of Jesus gave us access to the Grace through the help of the Holy Spirit.
Each time God want to empowers men,he sends Grace.
Re: Grace by ChigozieVictor(m): 11:08pm On Apr 12
The Death and resurrection of Jesus Christ gave us access to God's Grace..
Re: Grace by Kobojunkiee: 11:09pm On Apr 12
ChigozieVictor:
The working of the Holy spirit is to release his gift to help men effectively serve God and fulfill his will on earth.
So, the Spirit of God is the gift and the releaser of the gift as well? undecided
ChigozieVictor:
The death of Jesus gave us access to the Grace through the help of the Holy Spirit.
But what about when Jesus Christ gave power to His own disciples, even though the Spirit of God was not in them at the time, what power was that? undecided
ChigozieVictor:
Each time God want to empowers men,he sends Grace.
Each time? So there are times when God empowers men and then times when God holds back His power from men? undecided
Re: Grace by Kobojunkiee: 11:10pm On Apr 12
ChigozieVictor:
The Death and resurrection of Jesus Christ gave us access to God's Grace..
Who is "us" in this? His grace wasn't present before His death yet His disciples were able to heal the sick, cast out demons, and learn from Him? How come?undecided
Re: Grace by ChigozieVictor(m): 11:28pm On Apr 12
bible says "Whatever you shall ask in my name,believing then you Shall receive"
the disciples healed because They applied the principle of Asking and Believing (Faith). They were under the covering the Jesus as Head..
Jes us knowing that they needed an extra ability,he sent the holy spirit.
Re: Grace by Kobojunkiee: 11:33pm On Apr 12
ChigozieVictor:
bible says "Whatever you shall ask in my name,believing then you Shall receive"
the disciples healed because They applied the principle of Asking and Believing (Faith). They were under the covering the Jesus as Head..
Jes us knowing that they needed an extra ability,he sent the holy spirit.
Applied principle? undecided

What in the world are you taking about now.....can you please go back through the questions I have continued to ask to this point and come up with a response that meets that which is in fact writing in the book. undecided

According to you grace is power that is embodied in the Spirit of God and released by Him. So I ask you how come the disciples where able to use similar power long before the arrival of the Spirit of God on the day of pentecost, and we know they did these things while away from Jesus Christ too? undecided

What was the essence of the teachings and lessons given then by Jesus Christ if the grace of God for them would not arrive until 3 and half years later on the day of pentecost? undecided
Re: Grace by ChigozieVictor(m): 11:44pm On Apr 12
it's not necessary to bring up argument or debate on Grace.
I appreciate your effort to communicate your point of view and I'm honor to learn from you.
it is best we end here..
Re: Grace by PeaceJoyLove: 5:42am On Apr 13
ChigozieVictor:
it's not necessary to bring up argument or debate on Grace.
I appreciate your effort to communicate your point of view and I'm honor to learn from you.
it is best we end here..
I am glad you recognize that nauseating human. His posts are filled with terrible ideas and words.. always turning the Bible upside down. Such a stubborn person needs his two front teeth to be knocked out before he stops putting mouth everywhere like a chick. In a thread, he was saying walking naked is OK, and I am still waiting for his mama's naked pic or in bra and panties to prove his point. He is yet to sent them but still arguing. Better to ignore such a confusionist. He is confused.
Re: Grace by Kobojunkiee: 6:16am On Apr 13
ChigozieVictor:
it's not necessary to bring up argument or debate on Grace.
I appreciate your effort to communicate your point of view and I'm honor to learn from you.
it is best we end here..
I am simply trying to make heads or tails of all you have been stating but making certain to ask specific questions too. undecided
Re: Grace by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:03am On Apr 13
GRACE connotes KINDNESS undeserved!
Mankind must pass two tests to gain everlasting life, the first will be in this normal lifetime where our attitude towards others determines whether we will gain entrance into the 1,000 years training program {Revelations 20:1-2} planned to help honest hearted and sincere people stand against the final test {Revelations 20:11-13} during that 1,000 years no faithful, loyal and honest person will taste death but some faithless people who are resurrected to find themselves amongst faithful people due to their kind gestures in their past life will die after 100 years as youths {Isaiah 65:20} WHY? Because instead of them to build faith in the person who brought them back to life they will want to return to their faithless lifestyles before their FIRST death so their names automatically can't enter into the book of life therefore they have to die for the SECOND time! Revelations 20:14

It's after the 1,000 years that Satan (who has been in a state of inactivity during the training program) will be released once again {Revelations 20:3} because he vowed that none of Adam's descendants can pass the test Adam failed {Job 1:11} and now that sickness, fear of death, poverty, natural disasters and all other stumbling blocks making people to disobey God are out of the way just as Adam had nothing of this nature affecting him WHO WILL REMAIN OBEDIENT, FAITHFUL, LOYAL and HONEST to God? undecided
The Bible revealed to us that billions will still fall for Satan's bait {Revelations 20:8} and they will now turn against the few millions who are still keeping their FAITH in God to attack them that's the time God will destroy Satan and all evildoers for ever! Revelations 20:9 compare to Psalms 37 :7-11, 29, 37-38 Proverbs 2:20-22

Now all these will happen on planet earth but the born again Christians Jesus took to heaven will never experience all these events {Revelations 20:4} since Satan has been ousted from heaven where Jesus took them, they have no business with the SECOND DEATH that will certainly affect billions of lives on earth when Satan is released again {Revelations 20:6} that's why God doesn't view any of those who aren't part of the first resurrection as LIVING yet because they're still within the range where Satan can catch them {Revelations 20:5} Jesus was referring to these events when he said to people of his time "let the DEAD Burt their dead, you forget them and follow me" Matthew 8:22

So the BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS were referred to as being SAVED {2Timothy 1:9} not because they can't die now but because of future catastrophe they won't experience that's the UNDESERVED KINDNESS (GRACE) they have! Romans 16:20

May you have PEACE! smiley

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