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The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 2:44pm On Nov 29, 2018
I could recall someone saying sometime ago that the most popular verse in the Bible was John 3:16. But I can't say where he actually got that from, even though I know for sure that it was indeed one of the most popular verses of the Bible, for there were also other verses in the Bible that would give it a strong competition for that title, such as all the verses in Psalm 23 etc.

However if it was indeed true then I wouldn't be surprised at all because that verse actually represents the formula for everlasting life.

And I would explain exactly what I mean by that by first of all going scientific using the illustration of water.

Now the formula of water is H2O, therefore before any body can get water in any form or to any extent, at least 2 atoms of Hydrogen must have combined with an atom of oxygen. And this can be illustrated by the following chemical equation:

H2 + O ➞ H2O

So deducing from the chemical equation which illustrates the necessary reactants that must combine to get the end result of water, it shows that despite the 2 atoms of Hydrogen being involved and integral to the equation to get the end result, that it alone, that's without the oxygen, would never be able to yield the end product.

And that logic also applies to the atom of Oxygen that is also involved and integral to the process, that it on it's own, even without the 2 atoms of Hydrogen would never be able to produce the end result which is H2O(Water).

But it's only the combination of both, that's at least 2 atoms of Hydrogen plus the 1 atom of Oxygen that could possibly lead to water in any form or to any extent.

That established I would now leave science and return to the formula of everlasting life which is John 3:16 and it goes thus:

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Now I going to first of all divide that saying into three parts, namely, X, Y, Z, so that it would go:

"{For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son}X, {that whosoever believeth in him}Y, {shall not perish, but have everlasting life} Z.

And having done that, I can now use the respective letters to represent the part of the saying that has been assigned to it, even in a similar equation to that of water as follows:

X + Y ➞ Z

So that is the divine formula of everlasting (John 3:16) with respect to what they represent, for it's the combination of what X represents in that verse and what Y represents also in that verse, that would give the end result, even what Z represents in that same verse.

And to make it more understandable, i can now replace X with what it represents which is God's part, and Y with what it represents which is man's part, and so that Z could now be replaced by the end result of the combination of God's part(X) plus man's part(Y), which is everlasting life. Hence the equation would now go thus:

God's Part + Man's Part ➞ Everlasting Life

And being that God's part in the equation also signifies grace, while man's part in it actually mean obedience, when used to substitute God's part and man's part in the equation respectively, this is what we would get:

Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life

And so despite that grace itself which is God's part, in involved and integral to the equation, it alone cannot give the end result of everlasting life without man's part, which is the obedience.

Neither can obedience alone, which is man part, without grace even God's part, lead to everlasting life, despite being involved and integral to the process.

It is only the combination of both, that is God's part and man's part, of grace and obedience respectively, that can produce the end result of everlasting life.

Now I deliberately didn't use belief for man's part in the equation of everlasting life, because it could easily be misinterpreted to be something else, and that could literally be very destructive.

But I used obedience because by my thorough research with respect to the teachings of Jesus, i had come to the knowledge that whenever Jesus used the word "believe", He actually meant "obey".

And therefore it's was so important to get the "reactants" right in the equation by giving it the right interpretation, because otherwise it would never lead to everlasting life.

But there are those who think that "believe" in that saying of Jesus meant something else other than the obedience of His words, and hence all they rely upon is grace of God even God's own part of the equation, which alone is not able to get them the end result of everlasting life. But if they don't use the right interpretation and start obeying the Words of Jesus before the end of their lives, this is going to be their end result as illustrated by this equation:

Grace + Disobedience ➞ Destruction

And this formula which leads to the end result of destruction can also corroborated by this particular saying of Jesus:

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Therefore although those people believed in Jesus to the extent that they able to do such mighty works in His name, and believed that, that such belief was enough to give them the end result of everlasting life, but since it was not what Jesus meant by the "believe" in that saying of His, even the obedience of His Words, Jesus didn't even know them as His own and therefore told them "depart from me, ye that work iniquity".

That's going to be the same fate of all those who yet work iniquity in the church and hence do not keep His Words, even though they may do mighty works in His name, because that means that they do not have the belief that the formula of everlasting life requires, which is the obedience of the teachings of the only begotten Son of God that God gave to the world.

For to believe in Him means to obey His Word, and it's only when that which is man's part is combined with God's part of Grace, that it would lead to the end result of eternal life.

The divine formula of everlasting life(John 3:16):

Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 8:09am On Nov 30, 2018
Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 12:14pm On Nov 30, 2018
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Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 9:08am On Dec 01, 2018
God's Part + Man's Part ➞ Everlasting Life
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by nurulbayan: 2:32pm On Dec 01, 2018
jesusjnr:
I could recall someone saying sometime ago that the most popular verse in the Bible was John 3:16. But I can't say where he actually got that from, even though I know for sure that it was indeed one of the most popular verses of the Bible, for there were also other verses in the Bible that would give it a strong competition for that title, such as all the verses in Psalm 23 etc.

However if it was indeed true then I wouldn't be surprised at all because that verse actually represents the formula for everlasting life.

And I would explain exactly what I mean by that by first of all going scientific using the illustration of water.

Now the formula of water is H2O, therefore before any body can get water in any form or to any extent, at least 2 atoms of Hydrogen must have combined with an atom of oxygen. And this can be illustrated by the following chemical equation:

H2 + O ➞ H2O

So deducing from the chemical equation which illustrates the necessary reactants that must combine to get the end result of water, it shows that despite the 2 atoms of Hydrogen being involved and integral to the equation to get the end result, that it alone, that's without the oxygen, would never be able to yield the end product.

And that logic also applies to the atom of Oxygen that is also involved and integral to the process, that it on it's own, even without the 2 atoms of Hydrogen would never be able to produce the end result which is H2O(Water).

But it's only the combination of both, that's at least 2 atoms of Hydrogen plus the 1 atom of Oxygen that could possibly lead to water in any form or to any extent.

That established I would now leave science and return to the formula of everlasting life which is John 3:16 and it goes thus:

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Now I going to first of all divide that saying into three parts, namely, X, Y, Z, so that it would go:

"{For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son}X, {that whosoever believeth in him}Y, {shall not perish, but have everlasting life} Z.

And having done that, I can now use the respective letters to represent the part of the saying that has been assigned to it, even in a similar equation to that of water as follows:

X + Y ➞ Z

So that is the divine formula of everlasting (John 3:16) with respect to what they represent, for it's the combination of what X represents in that verse and what Y represents also in that verse, that would give the end result, even what Z represents in that same verse.

And to make it more understandable, i can now replace X with what it represents which is God's part, and Y with what it represents which is man's part, and so that Z could now be replaced by the end result of the combination of God's part(X) plus man's part(Y), which is everlasting life. Hence the equation would now go thus:

God's Part + Man's Part ➞ Everlasting Life

And being that God's part in the equation also signifies grace, while man's part in it actually mean obedience, when used to substitute God's part and man's part in the equation respectively, this is what we would get:

Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life

And so despite that grace itself which is God's part, in involved and integral to the equation, it alone cannot give the end result of everlasting life without man's part, which is the obedience.

Neither can obedience alone, which is man part, without grace even God's part, lead to everlasting life, despite being involved and integral to the process.

It is only the combination of both, that is God's part and man's part, of grace and obedience respectively, that can produce the end result of everlasting life.

Now I deliberately didn't use belief for man's part in the equation of everlasting life, because it could easily be misinterpreted to be something else, and that could literally be very destructive.

But I used obedience because by my thorough research with respect to the teachings of Jesus, i had come to the knowledge that whenever Jesus used the word "believe", He actually meant "obey".

And therefore it's was so important to get the "reactants" right in the equation by giving it the right interpretation, because otherwise it would never lead to everlasting life.

But there are those who think that "believe" in that saying of Jesus meant something else other than the obedience of His words, and hence all they rely upon is grace of God even God's own part of the equation, which alone was not able to get them the end result of everlasting life. But if they don't use the right interpretation and start obeying the Words of Jesus before the end of their lives, this is going to be their end result as illustrated by this equation:

Grace + Disobedience ➞ Destruction

And this formula which leads to the end result of destruction can also corroborated by this particular saying of Jesus:

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Therefore although those people believed in Jesus to the extent that they able to do such mighty works in His name, and believed that, that such belief was enough to give them the end result of everlasting life, but since it was not what Jesus meant by the "believe" in that saying of His, even the obedience of His Words, Jesus didn't even know them as His own and therefore told them "depart from me, ye that work iniquity".

That's going to be the same fate of all those who yet work iniquity in the church even though they may do mighty works in His name, because that means that they do not have the belief that the formula of everlasting life requires, which is the obedience of the teachings of the only begotten Son of God that God gave to the world.

For to believe in Him means to obey His Word, and it's only when that which is man's part is combined with God's part of Grace, that it would lead to the end result of eternal life.

The divine formula of everlasting life(John 3:16):

Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life


what is the difference between son of God and Begotten son of God?
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 3:05pm On Dec 01, 2018
nurulbayan:



what is the difference between son of God and Begotten son of God?
I'll use a human illustration to try and answer your question.

A man may have many children but just one begotten, and what differentiates the others from the begotten is the fact that, that particular child is his own seed.

So while the others may also be his children e.g. by adoption etc., but they are not his own seed.

So that's what distinguishes a son of God who is not begotten from the only begotten Son of God.
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by nurulbayan: 3:18pm On Dec 01, 2018
jesusjnr:
I'll use a human illustration to try and answer your question.

A man may have many children but just one begotten, and what differentiates the others from the begotten is the fact that, that particular child is his own seed.

So while the others may also be his children e.g. by adoption etc., but they are not his own seed.

So that's what distinguishes a son of God who is not begotten from the only begotten Son of God.

ok. What is the literal meaning of begotten?
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 3:40pm On Dec 01, 2018
nurulbayan:


ok. What is the literal meaning of begotten?
What's is the meaning of ok when you are still asking me just about the same question I just answered?

You can deduce the answer from the above except you are driving at something else.
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by nurulbayan: 4:02pm On Dec 01, 2018
Your description on the issue of Begotten son and son of God has gone contrary to what the Bible says.

kjv John 3:16. For God soo loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, who ever beliveth in him shall not perish but have an everlasting life.

RSV John 3:16. The word BEGOTTEN was removed. why was it removed? Is Bible not believed by you to be God's word?

I dont know whether your are both right or both wrong.

waiting
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 4:47pm On Dec 01, 2018
nurulbayan:
Your description on the issue of Begotten son and son of God has gone contrary to what the Bible says.

kjv John 3:16. For God soo loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, who ever beliveth in him shall not perish but have an everlasting life.

RSV John 3:16. The word BEGOTTEN was removed. why was it removed? Is Bible not believed by you to be God's word?

I dont know whether your are both right or both wrong.

waiting
Maybe you can see why regardless of how archaic the KJV version is, I chose to stick with it, because even the nkjv leaves certain components in the original one that I think are unwarranted, how much more certain translations that are fashioned on the basis of what men want to hear.

So a lot vital information is lost in such translations.
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by nurulbayan: 5:50pm On Dec 01, 2018
jesusjnr:
Maybe you can see why regardless of how archaic the KJV version is, I chose to stick with it, because even the nkjv leaves certain components in the original one that I think are unwarranted, how much more certain translations that are fashioned on the basis of what men want to hear.

So a lot vital information is lost in such translations.

The word begotten is attributed to sex. If jesus is a begotten son of God, who did God have sex with?

The word Begotten was thrown out in the RSV by 32 christians scholars of highest eminence, because it is a fabrication, not included in the original manuscripts.

This shows that the Bible does not contain 100% words of God. If differences could be found from different Bibles, the alot of questions would arise from its authenticity.

Jeremiah 8:8.
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 7:07pm On Dec 01, 2018
nurulbayan:


The word begotten is attributed to sex. If jesus is a begotten son of God, who did God have sex with?

The word Begotten was thrown out in the RSV by 32 christians scholars of highest eminence, because it is a fabrication, not included in the original manuscripts.

This shows that the Bible does not contain 100% words of God. If differences could be found from different Bibles, the alot of questions would arise from its authenticity.

Jeremiah 8:8.
Now that I've gotten what I wanted from you quite early in our exchanges, so your response to this post would determine if I continue to interact with you or not.

First of all where do you get your information that the word begotten is attributed to sex?

I, on my own part have seen two different dictionaries agree with my view that it means to father a child, which is the same thing as having a son or a child who is one's seed.

And in today's world of modern technology there are fathers who have begotten children of women some of whom they didn't even know needless I say have sex with, and this is something that man is now able to do because of the advancements in technology.

So if man who God created from dust is now able to beget and father a child, without having sexual intercourse with a woman, are you now trying to tell me that the God who created him would have not been able beget a Son without sex?
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by nurulbayan: 7:18pm On Dec 01, 2018
jesusjnr:
Now that I've gotten what I wanted from you quite early in our exchanges, so your response to this post would determine if I continue to interact with you or not.

First of all where do you get your information that the word begotten is attributed to sex?

I, on my own part have seen two different dictionaries agree with my view that it means to father a child, which is the same thing as having a son or a child who is one's seed.

And in today's world of modern technology there are fathers who have begotten children of women some of whom they didn't even know needless I say have sex with, and this is something that man is now able to do because of the advancements in technology.

So if man who God created from dust is now able to beget and father a child, without having sexual intercourse with a woman, are you now trying to tell me that the God who created him would have not been able beget a Son without sex?


you have spoken well, but i want you to remember that a son could only be Begotten when sperm and eggs meets (ovulation)

ovulation could be occur through intercourse or seminal incimination.

But in any which way, the Begotten son will inherit some characteristics of the parents.

Soo now, do you want to tell me it is wrong to have removed the Begotten from RSV, or the Begotten is contained in the original manuscript?

we are all learning please.
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by nurulbayan: 7:19pm On Dec 01, 2018
jesusjnr:
Now that I've gotten what I wanted from you quite early in our exchanges, so your response to this post would determine if I continue to interact with you or not.

First of all where do you get your information that the word begotten is attributed to sex?

I, on my own part have seen two different dictionaries agree with my view that it means to father a child, which is the same thing as having a son or a child who is one's seed.

And in today's world of modern technology there are fathers who have begotten children of women some of whom they didn't even know needless I say have sex with, and this is something that man is now able to do because of the advancements in technology.

So if man who God created from dust is now able to beget and father a child, without having sexual intercourse with a woman, are you now trying to tell me that the God who created him would have not been able beget a Son without sex?


you have spoken well, but i want you to remember that a son could only be Begotten when sperm and eggs meets (ovulation)

ovulation could occur through intercourse or seminal incimination.

But in any which way, the Begotten son will inherit some characteristics of the parents.

Soo now, do you want to tell me it is wrong to have removed the Begotten from RSV, or the Begotten is contained in the original manuscript?

we are all learning please.
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by nurulbayan: 7:24pm On Dec 01, 2018
jesusjnr:
Now that I've gotten what I wanted from you quite early in our exchanges, so your response to this post would determine if I continue to interact with you or not.

First of all where do you get your information that the word begotten is attributed to sex?

I, on my own part have seen two different dictionaries agree with my view that it means to father a child, which is the same thing as having a son or a child who is one's seed.

And in today's world of modern technology there are fathers who have begotten children of women some of whom they didn't even know needless I say have sex with, and this is something that man is now able to do because of the advancements in technology.

So if man who God created from dust is now able to beget and father a child, without having sexual intercourse with a woman, are you now trying to tell me that the God who created him would have not been able beget a Son without sex?


you have spoken well, but please what are the processes we undergo before we father a son/child?

i want you to remember that a son could only be Begotten when sperm and eggs meets (ovulation)



we are all learning please.
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 8:07pm On Dec 01, 2018
nurulbayan:


you have spoken well, but i want you to remember that a son could only be Begotten when sperm and eggs meets (ovulation)

ovulation could occur through intercourse or seminal incimination.

But in any which way, the Begotten son will inherit some characteristics of the parents.

Soo now, do you want to tell me it is wrong to have removed the Begotten from RSV, or the Begotten is contained in the original manuscript?

we are all learning please.
Now I only used an example of what man is able to do with modern technology of this day, hence you were able to see how someone could have a begotten child without sexual intercourse.

But imagine that man had not yet discovered or built his technology up to that point where he was able to achieve that, how would I have been able to make you understand the possibility of that?

The truth is that it is erroneous to judge God's ability, or what He did or did not do on the basis of what man is able to do now or how he is able to do certain things.

God was the one that created all the sexual organs, of both the woman and the man, and He was also the one that created the seed in man and also the eggs in a woman.

So if God even wants to create a new means via which He could have a begotten without having to follow all those spelt out procedure, He could also do same.

So do not limit or reduce God to man's level, procedures, what man knows or even what man is able to do, otherwise you may never be able to believe certain things about God.

For God is God, God is not man.
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by nurulbayan: 8:20pm On Dec 01, 2018
jesusjnr:
Now I only used an example of what man is able to do with modern technology of this day, hence you were able to see how someone could have a begotten child without sexual intercourse.

But imagine that man had not yet discovered or built his technology up to that point where he was able to achieve that, how would I have been able to make you understand the possibility of that?

The truth is that it is erroneous to judge God's ability, or what He did or did not do on the basis of what man is able to do now or how he is able to do certain things.

God was the one that created all the sexual organs, of both the woman and the man, and He was also the one that created the seed in man and also the eggs in a woman.

So if God even wants to create a new means via which He could have a begotten without having to follow all those spelt out procedure, He could also do same.

So do not limit or reduce God to man's level, procedures, what man knows or even what man is able to do, otherwise you may never be able to believe certain things about God.

For God is God, God is not man.

I respect your views and point but what did you think made begotten son thrown out of RSV? Why did renowned christians of highest eminance decided to remove it as a fabrication?

2. If God is not man, why do you believe in trinity?
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 9:30am On Dec 02, 2018
The divine formula of everlasting life.
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 6:36pm On Dec 02, 2018
Jn 3:16
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 2:38pm On Dec 03, 2018
The narrow road that leads to everlasting life which only a few find(Mt 7:13-14).
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 10:14am On Dec 04, 2018
The strait and narrow way!
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 9:01am On Dec 05, 2018
Only few find it!
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 2:01pm On Dec 05, 2018
It's not easy here
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 11:47am On Dec 06, 2018
It's challenging here but God will be with you all the way.
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 7:25pm On Dec 06, 2018
The way to life
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 4:39am On Dec 08, 2018
This road plenty hold up and obstacle dey oh!
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 7:11am On Dec 09, 2018
Be among the few that find this way.
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 4:08pm On Dec 09, 2018
The road that so many hate!
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 6:59am On Dec 10, 2018
Who are the few that would find it?
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 9:50am On Dec 11, 2018
Are you among the few that Jesus said would find it?
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 1:57pm On Dec 12, 2018
Very strait!
Re: The Divine Formula Of John 3:16: Grace + Obedience ➞ Everlasting Life by Nobody: 11:03am On Dec 13, 2018
Bouncer dey for here oh, and him name na Jesus. So make sure say you get I.V. oh otherwise no entry!

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