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Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by Racoon(m): 5:14am On Apr 17, 2021
The Daily Independent was sloppy in its story on Minister of Communications and Digital Technology, Shiekh Dr. Isa Ali Pantami’s alleged inclusion on a US terror watchlist. Sloppy because the video of the interaction between Pantami and Boko Haram founder Muhammad Yusuf that the publication refers to actually shows a debate between the two clerics. It was not a video in which Pantami was endorsing Yusuf’s jihadism but rather one in which the minister was disagreeing with some (not all) aspects of the Boko Haram leader’s creed.

If the newspaper had a Hausa translator on staff or as a freelance consultant, they would have saved themselves the embarrassment and made the job of the minister’s handlers a lot more difficult.

That said, it is equally appalling to see the minister and his paid and unpaid minions and supporters waxing bellicose and threatening a lawsuit against the newspaper.

Do they really want to go that route? Do they really want to look under that rock? I don’t think so. The minister is either bluffing or is being misadvised.

If he thinks that the Daily Independent story has defamed him and is vehemently denying being on a terror watch list (despite the fact that if he was he would not know about it), the revelations that would come out of a defamation suit against the newspaper would not only further sully his reputation but might in fact get him terror-watchlisted.

I mean, here is a man who has given religious lectures in Hausa eulogizing the late al-Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and saying complementary things about al-Qaeda, its global jihad, and the group’s terror campaign against the West.

Here is a man who gave a lecture in Hausa in which he defended the jihad of the Taliban against the “kafirai” (infidels) of the “Western World.”

Here is a man who delivered another lecture in the wake of the ethno-religious crisis in Yelwan Shendam in which he said “this jihad is an obligation for every single believer, especially in Nigeria.”

There is a lot more evidence that this man is/was at best a terrorism and violent jihad sympathizer and at worst a closeted promoter and supporter of jihadism.

There were public or quasi-public lectures for which the tapes and in some cases videos exist on social media platforms or archives.

It should be noted that these lectures were given over a decade ago at a time when many if not most Muslims in Northern Nigeria and most Salafi and even some Sufi clerics expressed similarly sympathetic sentiments towards global jihad and animus towards the US.

Such sentiments were often motivated by feelings of Muslim victimhood and persecution in the hands of what is perceived as Western, Judeo-Christian imperialist forces. Many Muslims not just in Nigeria but all over the world were swept up in the geopolitical emotions of the moment and publicly or privately praised Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda for striking aback against Western attacks against Muslims.

This is all to say that Pantami was not an outlier and was merely verbalizing and giving clerical imprimatur to the prevailing Muslim sentiments of the time, one evidence for which was the popularity of Osama/Usama as a male baby name in Northwestern Nigeria and the popularity of Osama bin Laden’s posters in places like Kano where they were prominently displaced on houses and cars in the 2000s.

Even among clerics, Pantami was not an outlier. Salafi clerics, such as Sheikh Rijiyar Lemo, Shiekh Daurawa, and others made similarly complementary comments about Al-Qaeda and their jihad against the West and Christians. One of them even infamously declared that God was a suicide bomber.

Like Pantami, Nigerian Salafi clerics with the exception of a few such as Sheikh Gumbi supported the core of Boko Haram’s ideology denouncing secular government, democracy, and endorsing violence against Christians and other non-Muslims. The clerics subscribed to other puritan aspects of Boko Haram’s creed.

They only disagreed with Muhammad Yusuf on minor doctrinal points, and on the timing and location of jihad, with most of them, while they supported violent jihad both as revenge and for the purpose of creating a dawla (Muslim society governed by Sharia) they did not believe that Nigeria was ripe for jihad or was a legitimate site for it.

I will link in the comment section below to a scholarly article written by Dr. Andrea Brigaglia on the pro-jihad views of several Nigerian Salafi preachers in the 2000s.

Today, many of them probably regret making such comments because not only has Boko Haram shown how nihilistically self-consuming and utterly destructive such a religious war can be for both Muslims and non-Muslims, the world has moved on from the post-911 us versus them mode of thought as surprisingly nuanced and cross-religious alliances have emerged to shatter the neat geo-religious dichotomies of old.

Pantami is guilty of the foundational and consequential charge of having espoused pro-al-Qaeda and pro-jihad sentiments at various times, even though he did so as part of a wave.

The difference is that none of the other clerics who espoused such views are holding a high profile ministerial position in the government of Nigeria.

The holding and espousal of such positions would disqualify anyone from holding public office in most Muslim countries, let alone a multi-religious and culturally plural country like Nigeria.

Pantami’s associations with such advocacy of sectarian violence and extremist nihilist ideology should have kept him from “smelling” any public office, let alone a ministerial one.

However, people evolve and when they do, they should be given a chance to demonstrate that indeed they have abandoned the odious views they once espoused. But the burden is on them to publicly announce that they no longer hold those views and that they have turned a new ideological leaf. Pantami has not done so.

Until Pantami goes public to tell Nigerians that he regrets making those pro-alQaeda and pro-jihad statements, his past will continue to haunt him as long as he continues to hold public office or aspires to other public offices. He cannot simply expect Nigerians to simply forget that he was once a leading voice of violent jihad advocacy in the country.

Forget the US and their terror watchlist. Pantami owes Nigerians an apology and an explanation for where he stands today in relation to violent jihad and extremism.

Finally, those Pantami social media warriors who are telling Daily Independent to show the watchlist are being disingenuous because they should know that terror watchlists and no-fly lists are by their nature secret and classified. You only get to know you’re on them when you try to conduct certain activities or try to fly to a certain destination.

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Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by Racoon(m): 5:32am On Apr 17, 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD4Z3r_2Ur0
How did such a person with well known avid affinity for terrorists/terrorism and their ideological inspiration scaled DSS screening to become a minister in Nigeria is just a national and international disgrace cum embarrassment.

Oops! Seems to have forgotten that they are all terrorists and supporters of terrorists.Nigeria is really in a deep shit with these people.Any wonder Buratai said it will take 20 years to defeat terrorism in Nigeria? This is just a tip of the iceberg

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Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by janedonez(m): 5:38am On Apr 17, 2021
Ok, we are reading
Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by madridguy(m): 5:38am On Apr 17, 2021
DSS screening you mean? grin grin grin Same DSS that passed aunty Kemi tongue To me I don't see our DSS as any intelligent agency.


Racoon:
They are all terrorists and supporters of terrorists.
How did such a person with well known avid affinity for terrorists/terrorism and ideological inspiration scaled DSS screening to become a minister in Nigeria is just a national and international disgrace cum embarrassment.

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Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by Racoon(m): 5:39am On Apr 17, 2021
"Maj.Gen.Muhammadu Buhari, has criticised the subsequent military offensive against the Boko Haram Islamic sect....The federal government's action was a gross injustice against the north....." (A fight against BH terrorists is a fight against the north." ) -Buhari.
https://allafrica.com/stories/201306030384.html

"Proscription of Ansaru(BH terrorists) violates the constitution.." -Lai Mohammed.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thenationonlineng.net/acn-boko-harams-ban-violates-constitution/amp/

"The sultan of Sokoto, the spiritual leader of Nigeria's Muslims, has condemned the military crackdown against the Islamist Boko Haram sect. "We cannot solve violence with violence," -Mohammed Sa'ad Abubakar.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-14342863

"..For instance, in response to a question about Osama bin Laden’s “killing of innocent unbelievers,” Pantami said although he conceded that Bin Laden was liable to err because he was human, “I still consider him as a better Muslim than myself” and pointed out that “We are all happy whenever unbelievers are being killed, but the Sharia does not allow us to kill them without a reason.” You can’t defend that. https://www.farooqkperogi.com/2021/04/pantami-is-my-friend-but-he-cant-be.html m=1#.YHpfhDGSfwg.twitter

“Even if the Boko Haram fighters commit a crime, but can we justify the way and manner they are being killed? Just look at how they are killing people as if they are shooting pigs even though they commit a crime, why the extrajudicial killing?... -Isa Pantami
https://www.gazettengr.com/boko-haram-terrorists-are-our-muslim-brothers-shouldnt-be-killed-like-pigs-minister-pantami/?utm_source=ReviveOldPost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ReviveOldPost

"......Federal authorities must understand the deployment of brutal force alone will not be a sufficient approach towards addressing the country’s metastasising security crises, saying the government should instead emphasise other soft tactics to rescue the country from rampaging terrorists, bandits and herdsmen....."-Bola Tinubu.
https://www.gazettengr.com/use-minimum-force-against-terrorists-killer-herdsmen-tinubu/?utm_source=ReviveOldPost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ReviveOldPost

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Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by Racoon(m): 5:40am On Apr 17, 2021
This is simply a monumental indictment on the Nigerian government under Buhari.A well known advocate for terrorism being in a sensitive position like the minister of communication? Oh mine!
Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by Mokason288(m): 5:41am On Apr 17, 2021
angry
Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by Nobody: 5:45am On Apr 17, 2021
The Minister for interior and DSS guys...
Don’t they get ashamed that they must be taught their jobs? Must they wait for citizens to clamour on social media before they do the needful?

Na wa o!

I was brought up with the strong mentality of never letting anyone fault me at my job!

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Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by Racoon(m): 5:48am On Apr 17, 2021
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All sponsors & enabler of all the terrorist organizations from this evil BH to bandits, Igbos terrorists organization, evil fulani herdsmen must all be fished out.

They will all never know peace as long as it is sorrow, tears and blood they want flowing in our nation along with their evil supporters.May anyone involved in all the violence never end well in life, they will all die painful death alongside their supporters.....
One of them was appointed as a minister by your darling daddy.This still affirm that your darling daddy is the number one terrorist terrorizing Nigeria.So direct this your prayer against him.Meanwhile,

"Here is a man who has given religious lectures in Hausa eulogizing the late al-Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and saying complementary things about al-Qaeda, its global jihad, and the group’s terror campaign against the West.

Here is a man who gave a lecture in Hausa in which he defended the jihad of the Taliban against the “kafirai” (infidels) of the “Western World.”

Here is a man who delivered another lecture in the wake of the ethno-religious crisis in Yelwan Shendam in which he said “this jihad is an obligation for every single believer, especially in Nigeria.”


"..For instance, in response to a question about Osama bin Laden’s “killing of innocent unbelievers,” Pantami said although he conceded that Bin Laden was liable to err because he was human, “I still consider him as a better Muslim than myself” and pointed out that “We are all happy whenever unbelievers are being killed, but the Sharia does not allow us to kill them without a reason.” You can’t defend that. https://www.farooqkperogi.com/2021/04/pantami-is-my-friend-but-he-cant-be.html m=1#.YHpfhDGSfwg.twitter are you still mute? Common! Say something!

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Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by 96ACE: 5:54am On Apr 17, 2021
There's no hiding place for the wicked
Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by StaffofOrayan(m): 5:57am On Apr 17, 2021
Mannabbqqrills, God is exposing all the enemies of Nigeria!
I'm surprised you are not here to rejoice?

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Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by helinues: 6:06am On Apr 17, 2021
Pantami is the new target for wailers...

Anyways, they still have more 2 years to wail while the wailing to be continued in 2023

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Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by helinues: 6:06am On Apr 17, 2021
Racoon:
"Here is a man who has given religious lectures in Hausa eulogizing the late al-Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and saying complementary things about al-Qaeda, its global jihad, and the group’s terror campaign against the West.

Here is a man who gave a lecture in Hausa in which he defended the jihad of the Taliban against the “kafirai” (infidels) of the “Western World.”

Here is a man who delivered another lecture in the wake of the ethno-religious crisis in Yelwan Shendam in which he said “this jihad is an obligation for every single believer, especially in Nigeria.”

Wail more,we are enjoying the wailing

Bring them down syndrome dem
Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by Racoon(m): 6:23am On Apr 17, 2021
helinues:
Wail more,we are enjoying the wailing.Bring them down syndrome dem
So you have added terrorism to zombiesm? Well! Nothing new Mr.Helinues.A terrorism sympathizer is also a terrorist.So if you love sai baba, then it simply implies one loves terrorists.

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Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by helinues: 6:25am On Apr 17, 2021
Racoon:
So you have added terrorism to zombiesm? Well! Nothing new Mr.Hellineus. If you love sai baba, them it simply implies one loves terrorists.

Buhari that you people tagged a terrorist has been your president for almost 6 years now....

So what would this ranting/wailing bring? Absolutely nothing

We are expecting Reno to come and continue his protest in Nigeria oo
Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by Fahdiga(m): 6:38am On Apr 17, 2021
helinues:
Pantami is the new target for wailers...

Anyways, they still have more 2 years to wail while the wailing to be continued in 2023
Be reasonable for once

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Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by helinues: 6:39am On Apr 17, 2021
Fahdiga:
Be reasonable for once

Wail for us more Fadhiga
Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by Yves4real(f): 9:45am On Apr 17, 2021
iamadonis2:
The Minister for interior and DSS guys...
Don’t they get ashamed that they must be taught their jobs? Must they wait for citizens to clamour on social media before they do the needful?


Na wa o!

I was brought up with the strong mentality of never letting anyone fault me at my job!

Rauf Aregbesola (Minister of Interior) and Yusuf Bichi (DG, DSS) are both muslims as Isa Patanmi and I want to believe you are not expecting them to call out their own. Muslims support/defend their own with every fibre of their beings unlike the Christians that tear down theirs.
In a couple of days, this topic would go extinct the way Ali Ndume's and Ali Modu Sheriff's went.
Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by biafrasun: 9:48am On Apr 17, 2021
helinues:


Wail for us more Fadhiga
you don't ask pig � to stop wallowing in mud let him continue he will be next target.
Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by Racoon(m): 10:02am On Apr 17, 2021
helinues:
Buhari that you people tagged a terrorist has been your president for almost 6 years now....
"Maj.Gen.Muhammadu Buhari, has criticised the subsequent military offensive against the Boko Haram Islamic sect....The federal government's action was a gross injustice against the north....."( "A fight against BH terrorists is a fight against the north." ) -Buhari. https://allafrica.com/stories/201306030384.html
Yet it is the same president that tells you he is fighting BH terrorists with the likes of Isa Pantami manning his communication ministry? Are you proud of this treasonable statement.As a sane person, I am not and will never be.

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Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by slivertongue: 10:12am On Apr 17, 2021
pantami and buhari share the same values
Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by NigeriaIsDoomed: 12:21pm On Apr 17, 2021
Pantami is a core Terrorist, Buhari runs a government of terrorists, most Northerners are terrorists enablers.

Any Southern that seeks the continuity of this evil forest will forever die a fool, because nothing will save this doomed country run by terrorists.

It is obvious that these terrorists have a sinister plan to exert their islamic dominance in Nigeria, they are now employing the lever of power to make it possible.
There is no difference between the Federal Republic of Nigeria and Boko Haram. The two share the same goal.

Southern idiots! I guess the scales blurring your eyes have fallen off and you can see clearly why the terrorists in power desperately want to implement their Ruga and other islamic policies, they have been using killer herdsmen to cleanse the ethic groups in the South while you idiots are sleeping.

You had better wake up if you are a Southern, fight for the winding up of this evil forest otherwise you will all die and your ancestral lands will be taken by these terrorists.
Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by Okoroawusa: 12:23pm On Apr 17, 2021
Pantami thread again?

Seun what is really going on?
Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by Ituku4040: 12:30pm On Apr 17, 2021
helinues:
Pantami is the new target for wailers...

Anyways, they still have more 2 years to wail while the wailing to be continued in 2023

Is pantami a terrorist?
Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by CHHng: 3:53pm On Apr 17, 2021
Ituku4040:


Is pantami a terrorist?

Maybe he is OR an enabler
Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by Whois(m): 7:36pm On Apr 17, 2021
CHHng:


Maybe he is OR an enabler

Same thought, I can bet on it that he is the former
Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by Nobody: 8:05pm On Apr 17, 2021
I had always had my reservations about these so called sheiks at the helm of affairs


All the sheiks i know have validated my suspicion be it sheik Gumi, sheik adebayo the ex communication minister now this

They are always jihadists extremist


My concern on patami was when Boko Haram came out to publicly call him fake Muslim, i always knew it was an alibi for a future leak on patami been related to terrorism (a man supposedly not in defense ministry but Boko Haram took interest on him)
Re: Does Pantami Really Want To Open That Box? By Moses Ochonu by Nobody: 8:12pm On Apr 17, 2021
NigeriaIsDoomed:
Pantami is a core Terrorist, Buhari runs a government of terrorists, most Northerners are terrorists enablers.

Any Southern that seeks the continuity of this evil forest will forever die a fool, because nothing will save this doomed country run by terrorists.

It is obvious that these terrorists have a sinister plan to exert their islamic dominance in Nigeria, they are now employing the lever of power to make it possible.
There is no difference between the Federal Republic of Nigeria and Boko Haram. The two share the same goal.

Southern idiots! I guess the scales blurring your eyes have fallen off and you can see clearly why the terrorists in power desperately want to implement their Ruga and other islamic policies, they have been using killer herdsmen to cleanse the ethic groups in the South while you idiots are sleeping.

You had better wake up if you are a Southern, fight for the winding up of this evil forest otherwise you will all die and your ancestral lands will be taken by these terrorists.
I remember when buhari was campaigning 2014, his islamization aka jihad agenda was raised, even me dismissed it that a whole Nigeria can not be manipulated to that extent.

I naively was looking at law and order which gej was respecting, i never would believe their are parallel laws for Northerners and one nigeria law for the deceived.

How do you explain that a secular nation has a parallel Sharia constitution within it's entity

A Sharia judge that is anti western values is presiding cjn over a secular state with western values

Northern boarders are thrown open for free arms smuggling while the south is closed from food entry

North can use south south oil, but north gold is for them

Northern hoodlums are freedom fighters to be given amensty but southern restless youth are the ones efcc should open office for

The lowest depth of nepotism is been mined by this administration like oil, but nobody can say a word

Fulani herdsmen can kill and go Scott free any time of their choice


The list of the endless depth of backwardness and insanity has been explored by buhari

Is it islamization it can't carry out effortlessly?

The so called woke naive advocates of political correctness have never dared buhari at anytime, they are silent in their cowardice but when people stand up for themselves which is the only thing this administration understand, they would grow balls and start ranting

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