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Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by Born2Freak(f): 11:27am On Jun 10
Please, religious people in the house, remind me;


-Was it an atheist president that banned twitter?

-Was it an atheist president saw the Naira fall from 250/£ to 710/£?

-Has it been atheist presidents that have allowed corruption to kill the country since the 90s?

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Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by advanceDNA: 11:31am On Jun 10
Born2Freak:
Please, religious people in the house, remind me;


-Was it an atheist president that banned twitter?

-Was it an atheist president saw the Naira fall from 250/£ to 710/£?

-Has it been atheist presidents that have allowed corruption to kill the country since the 90s?


What’s your point...? Did someone place a ban on atheists not to contest for public office ??
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by Born2Freak(f): 11:37am On Jun 10
advanceDNA:


What’s your point...? Did someone place a ban on atheists not to contest for public office ??


Actually, many christians and muslims say that they would never vote for an atheist

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Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by advanceDNA: 12:06pm On Jun 10
Born2Freak:



Actually, many christians and muslims say that they would never vote for an atheist

As u know, when it comes to elections, people can vote for u becos of just one thing and also chose not to for just one small thing....


Religion is an identity for many people.. like race and sexuality...u can’t express hatred and disgust for something like that and expect them to love u back....I’ve heard many atheist say they would ban religion ...u don’t expect religious people to want to vote for someone that would pan their faith system..when there’s chance they could get a religious person may govern well
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by Born2Freak(f): 12:14pm On Jun 10
advanceDNA:


As u know, when it comes to elections, people can vote for u becos of just one thing and also chose not to for just one small thing....


Religion is an identity for many people.. like race and sexuality...u can’t express hatred and disgust for something like that and expect them to love u back....I’ve heard many atheist say they would ban religion ...u don’t expect religious people to want to vote for someone that would pan their faith system..when there’s chance they could get a religious person may govern well

lol....And how many atheists presidents or prime-ministers have banned religion?

You don't have any atheist friends because most atheists wouldnt say that they want to ban religion. There are many atheist organisations in Europe and US, yet banning religion has never been on their agenda.

Furthermore, you have it the other way around. It is the religious books and hence, religious people that have expressed more hatred for the identity of atheism. Their religious books claim that non-believers or those that reject their god are evil.

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Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by advanceDNA: 12:59pm On Jun 10
Born2Freak:


lol....And how many atheists presidents or prime-ministers have banned religion?

You don't have any atheist friends because most atheists wouldnt say that they want to ban religion. There are many atheist organisations in Europe and US, yet banning religion has never been on their agenda.

Furthermore, you have it the other way around. It is the religious books and hence, religious people that have expressed more hatred for the identity of atheism. Their religious books claim that non-believers or those that reject their god are evil.

U don’t even need to go far...on nairaland... atheist express their disgust, hatred and insult religious people regularly...they Blame religion for every single problem in the world including their own lack of knowledge to invent anything....

Furthermore...I don’t have it the other way round....religious books call godless people or unbelievers evil under a context...evil in the many religious text means being ruled by flesh and rejecting God provision..... evidence is everywhere including among many people that pretend to be religious and are not..

Religious text propose preaching to unbelievers and pray for them..how is that hatred..don’t u see preachers everywhere..

Atheist on the other hand?? Don’t let me even start..
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by 1Sharon(f): 1:14pm On Jun 10
advanceDNA:


U don’t even need to go far...on nairaland... atheist express their disgust, hatred and insult religious people regularly...they Blame religion for every single problem in the world including their own lack of knowledge to invent anything....

Furthermore...I don’t have it the other way round....religious books call godless people or unbelievers evil under a context...evil in the many religious text means being ruled by flesh and rejecting God provision..... evidence is everywhere including among many people that pretend to be religious and are not..

Religious text propose preaching to unbelievers and pray for them..how is that hatred..don’t u see preachers everywhere..

Atheist on the other hand?? Don’t let me even start..


Saying the fool says in his heart there is no God doesn't show hatred right ?


'pray for them'? that's the point. That's the typical condescending behaviour atheists get from religious people.

Don't come here and tell lies for Christ please.

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Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by Dtruthspeaker: 1:23pm On Jun 10
Born2Freak:

... Their religious books claim that non-believers or those that reject their god are evil.

Without any book saying anything are people not wicked and evil already?

Simple good things as standing in line at the ATM or clearing off the road to drop a person or talk to someone is not done.

If little things such as these are not done how can you expect that those same people will not steal common goods, steal husbands and wives, kill opposition?

People love to do wrongs and wickedness whether they call themselves atheist, paganist or Righteousist, they are all the same, sons of evil.

The Bible which is the Only Book with the Best Good Laws is only seeking to separate any who does not want to belong to these evil people, showing them how they can come out from it.
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by advanceDNA: 1:45pm On Jun 10
1Sharon:


Saying the fool says in his heart there is no God doesn't show hatred right ?


'pray for them'? that's the point. That's the typical condescending behaviour atheists get from religious people.

Don't come here and tell lies for Christ please.


Fool also has a context...just like saying there’s nothing God cannot do...
Tell lies.?? U seem to have overblown your worth...I don’t know u..and I don’t give a fvck what u think...so why the heck would I lie to u....I’m only telling u what’s in the religious text...
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by 1Sharon(f): 1:58pm On Jun 10
advanceDNA:



Fool also has a context...just like saying there’s nothing God cannot do...
Tell lies.?? U seem to have overblown your worth...I don’t know u..and I don’t give a fvck what u think...so why the heck would I lie to u....I’m only telling u what’s in the religious text...

What is the context for calling unbelievers fools?


You're statement 'pray for them' shows the superiority complex believers have towards atheists.

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Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:13pm On Jun 10
Politicians often hide under different groups to gain support for their political carrier.

No single true Christian is practicing politics!
But when we try to help you guys understand the fact you keep arguing blindly saying "since they claim to be Christians they're so"


The people you're seeing in politics belongs to no religion but Politics itself! It's any religion or group where they can get voters (supporters) that they truly belongs.

That's what Donald Trump failed to understand thinking it's religionsts that got him the sit. Now he knows better because homosexuals, lesbians and crossdressers are rapidly increasing in numbers across the globe. Politicians that failed to acknowledge them will not have a seat. The Nigerian Politicians banning gays and lesbians aren't doing it for God rather they're trying to keep their voters in check.
Let hundreds of thousands come out to protest as gays and lesbians, you will see Politicians make a u-turn and start dancing to whatever tune the gays and lesbians plays for them!
They are working hand in hand with political religionsts who are helping them to groom voters, and the religious title chiefs are maintaining their position as fishers of voters.
That's why religious groups form associations so that during election the politicians will know whom to consult for greater number of voters (supporters)

God's word foretells that a time is coming and it's soon when all these false religions will loose their grip on their followers by that time atheism would have stolen over 80% of their followers, then atheists will have to produce those in power not religionsts! smiley

Born2Freak:
Please, religious people in the house, remind me;
-Was it an atheist president that banned twitter?
-Was it an atheist president saw the Naira fall from 250/£ to 710/£?
-Has it been atheist presidents that have allowed corruption to kill the country since the 90s?

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Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by advanceDNA: 2:16pm On Jun 10
1Sharon:


What is the context for calling unbelievers fools?


You're statement 'pray for them' shows the superiority complex believers have towards atheists.


It is not my statement...it’s a religious text’s statement...religion system believe there’s a God that should be prayed to....and the text say pray for those that are not believers..so they can see the light of God’s words...how is it condescending...?? If u say u are angry and hate religion now, u will say it’s not true

Geez.!!!!.I hope u are aware there’s a religion that refer to both Christian believers and atheists as infidels.. and also believe they should be beheaded....how’s that for condescending


And for the context u asked for....the author was David and he was referring to the people of his time that was dealing in corruption, abominable acts, injustice, and killing the innocent...they say that God is not watching and there’s no one to judge them or take them into account ...
David went further in the context saying: have these men no knowledge to continue to destroy others... he ended by assuring them that judgement is on the way...
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by kimco(m): 4:52pm On Jun 10
Dtruthspeaker:


Without any book saying anything are people not wicked and evil already?

Simple good things as standing in line at the ATM or clearing off the road to drop a person or talk to someone is not done.

If little things such as these are not done how can you expect that those same people will not steal common goods, steal husbands and wives, kill opposition?

People love to do wrongs and wickedness whether they call themselves atheist, paganist or Righteousist, they are all the same, sons of evil.

The Bible which is the Only Book with the Best Good Laws is only seeking to separate any who does not want to belong to these evil people, showing them how they can come out from it.

1.The bible is not the only religious book that talks of good morals

2. There are bad morals in the bible that would get called out even by christians today if it ever happens to them.

3. It doesn't matter if the bible says thou shall not steal. So far as there is no immediate punishment for the bad deed, it will continue...scary hell stories don't scare people after sometime, trust me.

4. The best way to ensure stability, good deeds and a prosperous society is to execute the law with strictness. The law of man has done well for certain countries that execute it appropriately.

5. The main concept is execution of laws....it must be immediate instead of expected in the future otherwise it fails to illicit the expected behaviour. Psychology 101
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by Dtruthspeaker: 6:06pm On Jun 10
kimco:

1.The bible is not the only religious book that talks of good morals

I said it is The Best Book containing the Best and Highest Instruction on Best Behaviours (Morals) and not about being "the only religious book that talks of good morals".

It is the best book of best morals!

kimco:

2. There are bad morals in the bible that would get called out even by christians today if it ever happens to them.

Not True, there isn't any single bad moral.

What you see are people who refuse to be reasonable and balanced to see the good in the Instructions or people who are soo wicked that they can never see that which is good.

I have engaged some of them on those instructions which they thought were bad and in the end they could not reasonably counter my presentation.

So, no, the Bible contains not a single bad moral instruction and there is none whatsoever.

kimco:

3. It doesn't matter if the bible says thou shall not steal. So far as there is no immediate punishment for the bad deed, it will continue...

Highlighted: And would fair hearing, repentance and restitution exist if crimes are immediately punished? (Do you see now why God is Gooder?)

It is His Will which is a Good One because, if perhaps "the stealing" was not done in evil or bad faith (that is, meant to deprive and unlawfully gain) but because the thief reasonably and Truth Fully thought the item stolen was his own, then there would be time for him to see his honest and truthful mistake so that he could correct it.

It provides opportunity for the Guilt and Conviction of the thief to be made Certain and Solid that he indeed, 'Stole", therefore, an Innocent person can never be condemned in error and the guilty is Condemned because, He is Truth and Indeed An Evil thing.

So by this action evil is rightfully removed, with no error.

So, do you see how Good God is and how much Wiser He is than you?

kimco:

...scary hell stories don't scare people after sometime, trust me.

grin.The Bible is not written for the purpose scaring any one, it is rather trying to warn us, the inhabitants of this House (world) that we are going to make our Destroy ourselves and our House, if we do not change the way we live in this House.

It warned us that if we do not change our course, we would be living in a House full of Horrors and Evil.

Like Horror Movies, we are the actors in it and the Bible is exactly as the Mr. Know-it-All Who is trying to be our guide that we may escape the Horrors successfully.

kimco:

4. The best way to ensure stability, good deeds and a prosperous society is to execute the law with strictness. The law of man has done well for certain countries that execute it appropriately.

All those Laws which you just wrongfully gave to man belongs to God and came from Him directly and they are all contained in the Bible.

And it is successful in those places because the-evils know rights better than others and would kill and die to assert it.

Most people do not care about rights (especially Nigerians) and therefore they bring evil to themselves and allow evil to be craftily or even openly perpetrated on them.

kimco:

5. The main concept is execution of laws....it must be immediate instead of expected in the future otherwise it fails to illicit the expected behaviour. Psychology 101

As addressed above The Law is Fair and Must be Fair, but do you expect a wicked man to implement a Fair Law?

Impossible, because The Law renders the Acts and Actions of wickedness, Unlawful.

And a Wicked man is only wicked because he has done a Wicked thing or he does Wicked things, therefore, he can not implement The Law.
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by Born2Freak(f): 6:10pm On Jun 10
Dtruthspeaker:


Without any book saying anything are people not wicked and evil already?

Simple good things as standing in line at the ATM or clearing off the road to drop a person or talk to someone is not done.

If little things such as these are not done how can you expect that those same people will not steal common goods, steal husbands and wives, kill opposition?

People love to do wrongs and wickedness whether they call themselves atheist, paganist or Righteousist, they are all the same, sons of evil.

The Bible which is the Only Book with the Best Good Laws is only seeking to separate any who does not want to belong to these evil people, showing them how they can come out from it.


You are making my point. People like you despise unbelievers for no sensible reason other than the fact that your Bible says so. You are a fanatic.

Just look at the world. The secular countries are at the top of developed nations. Secular countries with a lot of atheists.

There are beliefs outside your religion, open your eyes and see that your religion cannot be the only way to spirituality. Even your own Jesus said that the law was made for man.
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by Born2Freak(f): 6:16pm On Jun 10
MaxInDHouse:
Politicians often hide under different groups to gain support for their political carrier.

No single true Christian is practicing politics!
But when we try to help you guys understand the fact you keep arguing blindly saying "since they claim to be Christians they're so"


The people you're seeing in politics belongs to no religion but Politics itself! It's any religion or group where they can get voters (supporters) that they truly belongs.

That's what Donald Trump failed to understand thinking it's religionsts that got him the sit. Now he knows better because homosexuals, lesbians and crossdressers are rapidly increasing in numbers across the globe. Politicians that failed to acknowledge them will not have a seat. The Nigerian Politicians banning gays and lesbians aren't doing it for God rather they're trying to keep their voters in check.
Let hundreds of thousands come out to protest as gays and lesbians, you will see Politicians make a u-turn and start dancing to whatever tune the gays and lesbians plays for them!
They are working hand in hand with political religionsts who are helping them to groom voters, and the religious title chiefs are maintaining their position as fishers of voters.
That's why religious groups form associations so that during election the politicians will know whom to consult for greater number of voters (supporters)

God's word foretells that a time is coming and it's soon when all these false religions will loose their grip on their followers by that time atheism would have stolen over 80% of their followers, then atheists will have to produce those in power not religionsts! smiley



What you said only applies to shrewd politicians like Trump.

Someone like Buhari, who is a strong Conservative Muslim, is a person that can only thing in religious lines. A religious bigot
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:33pm On Jun 10
Buhari is not a real politician, the politicians only wanted to use him as a means to an end.

In real politics the players are behind the scenes and it's only when their puppet turn out to be no more loyal to them that they pull all forces together against such a person to bring him down.

The real politicians have nothing to do with faith in any God other than POLITICS! undecided


Born2Freak:

What you said only applies to shrewd politicians like Trump.
Someone like Buhari, who is a strong Conservative Muslim, is a person that can only thing in religious lines. A religious bigot
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by kingxsamz(m): 7:01pm On Jun 10
advanceDNA:


As u know, when it comes to elections, people can vote for u becos of just one thing and also chose not to for just one small thing....


Religion is an identity for many people.. like race and sexuality...u can’t express hatred and disgust for something like that and expect them to love u back....I’ve heard many atheist say they would ban religion ...u don’t expect religious people to want to vote for someone that would pan their faith system..when there’s chance they could get a religious person may govern well

Lol, so in this case, atheists are not the ones who are tolerant? Most Christians won't vote an atheist because they can't stand the idea that someone doesn't believe in their god. They'd rather vote Buhari 10times if it were possible. Besides, how do you call people fools for not believing and expect them to laugh about it? Even most Atheists won't agree to ban religion.
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by Dtruthspeaker: 7:01pm On Jun 10
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Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by kingxsamz(m): 7:07pm On Jun 10
advanceDNA:


Geez.!!!!.I hope u are aware there’s a religion that refer to both Christian believers and atheists as infidels.. and also believe they should be beheaded....how’s that for condescending

I hope you know there's also a religion which refers to unbelievers as "fools" and "evil"? And believe that they would be thrown into some everlasting fire? cheesy
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by Dtruthspeaker: 7:11pm On Jun 10
Born2Freak:

You are making my point...

My point is greater than yours in that I clearly say that "People love to do wrongs and wickedness whether they call themselves atheist, paganist or Christians, Muslims, humanist etc they are all the same, sons of evil, doing evil."

I do not care what anyone calls themselves or what people call a certain group, it is sufficient for me that I see them avoiding the doing of good and choosing to do that which is wicked

Born2Freak:

...People like you despise unbelievers for no sensible reason other than the fact that your Bible says so. You are a fanatic.

People like me Hate Doers of Any Wicked and Bad thing, like every reasonable person out there in the world.

No Reasonable Person in the world loves a Husband Thief called slay mama or Wife Stealer called sugar daddies, a Cheating wife or dictators or proud persons or liars or fraudsters or kidnappers or Adultnappers or bandits, pirates, any bad or wicked persons.

That is what "Unbeliever" means to people like me, for it means that they believe in doing wickedness and evil and doing "bad things" is their religion.

Born2Freak:

Just look at the world. The secular countries are at the top of developed nations. Secular countries with a lot of atheists.

Can a trap laid in the presence of the victim be effective or shall any drink a bottle marked "poison"? No. Good Traps are laid in darkness and poison is always put in Good Food and Drinks, Exactly as it is smart to entrap a foolish man with a very beautiful woman.

Born2Freak:

There are beliefs outside your religion, open your eyes and see that your religion cannot be the only way to spirituality.

The highlighted! See, we are already "spirits" whether people know or not or utilise it or not.

The profit is theirs to take and the loss also is theirs to bear, I do not suffer any loss or enjoy any of their profits, so it is none of my business.

Secondly, it is Only the Bible which Contains and Instructs the Bestest Laws and the Highest Wisest Counsels in the world, none comes close.

Born2Freak:

Even your own Jesus said that the law was made for man.

Yes, because The Law God Made is Greater than the man and is at Work to bring Good and not wickedness or evil, to the man.
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by advanceDNA: 7:53pm On Jun 10
kingxsamz:


I hope you know there's also a religion which refers to unbelievers as "fools" and "evil"? And believe that they would be thrown into some everlasting fire? cheesy

I don’t dialogue with petty people...after explaining u still went back to evil and fool...I guess u don't have anything else to say
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by advanceDNA: 7:55pm On Jun 10
kingxsamz:


Lol, so in this case, atheists are not the ones who are tolerant? Most Christians won't vote an atheist because they can't stand the idea that someone doesn't believe in their god. They'd rather vote Buhari 10times if it were possible. Besides, how do you call people fools for not believing and expect them to laugh about it? Even most Atheists won't agree to ban religion.

U don’t have a point..so becos I want to tolerate u ..I have to vote for you?? Nigga pleeaseee...park well..
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by kingxsamz(m): 8:06pm On Jun 10
advanceDNA:


I don’t dialogue with petty people...after explaining u still went back to evil and fool...I guess u don't have anything else to say

Lol, your bible calls people fools, evil, and even say none of them does good. But here you are trying to put it In a light tone. grin grin
Shift.
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by kingxsamz(m): 8:07pm On Jun 10
advanceDNA:


U don’t have a point..so becos I want to tolerate u ..I have to vote for you?? Nigga pleeaseee...park well..

That's exactly why you'll keep having people like Buhari as your president. . grin grin grin
Everybody go collect.
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by advanceDNA: 8:46pm On Jun 10
kingxsamz:


That's exactly why you'll keep having people like Buhari as your president. . grin grin grin
Everybody go collect.

Don’t bring buhari into the this...accusing religious people of not being tolerant becos of their Choice of voting is the discussion here ....guess what? Its pathetic and and a cheap blackmail....
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by advanceDNA: 8:50pm On Jun 10
kingxsamz:


Lol, your bible calls people fools, evil, and even say none of them does good. But here you are trying to put it In a light tone. grin grin
Shift.

U asked for the context..I gave it to u based on the text..why is that difficult for u to understand
. u see that u couldn’t hide ur insulting side for long...

U atheist Get high on insult religious people and the Bible...what’s funny is u pick on the Bible...for a God that don’t exist...u seem to go through too much trouble.....

I mean I can’t see my self worrying about Santa Claus or Dumbledor
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by kingxsamz(m): 9:27pm On Jun 10
advanceDNA:


U asked for the context..I gave it to u based on the text..why is that difficult for u to understand
. u see that u couldn’t hide ur insulting side for long...

U atheist Get high on insult religious people and the Bible...what’s funny is u pick on the Bible...for a God that don’t exist...u seem to go through too much trouble.....

I mean I can’t see my self worrying about Santa Claus or Dumbledor

And does whatever lame context you gave change the fact that your bible calls unbelievers fools and evil doers? What mumu context is it that takes away those demeaning words?
And yes, we'll keep criticizing your beliefs, and you'll keep crying. As if you don't have churches everywhere disturbing neighborhoods, preachers harassing women for dressing how they want, people spitting into our faces in buses all in the name of evangelism and Christians using their beliefs to oppress minority groups. And you're here crying about being insulted. Na small thing you see sef, e never start. cheesy
And no, we aren't bothered about your nonexistent god, it's a useless and meaningless made up concept to us. As long as religion is part of our problems, una go hear am. Clown. You go cry tire. cheesy
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by advanceDNA: 9:33pm On Jun 10
kingxsamz:


And does whatever lame context you gave change the fact that your bible calls unbelievers fools and evil doers? What mumu context is it that takes away those demeaning words?
And yes, we'll keep criticizing your beliefs, and you'll keep crying. As if you don't have churches everywhere disturbing neighborhoods, preachers harassing women for dressing how they want, people spitting into our faces in buses all in the name of evangelism and Christians using their beliefs to oppress minority groups. And you're here crying about being insulted. Na small thing you see sef, e never start. cheesy
And no, we aren't bothered about your nonexistent god, it's a useless and meaningless made up concept to us. As long as religion is part of our problems, una go hear am. Clown. You go cry tire. cheesy

We go hear am?? Lol...sounds like u are angry. Don’t burst a blood vessel over a non existent God...
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by kingxsamz(m): 9:33pm On Jun 10
advanceDNA:


Don’t bring buhari into the this...accusing religious people of not being tolerant becos of their Choice of voting is the discussion here ....guess what? Its pathetic and and a cheap blackmail....

Oh, is it blackmail if the Muslims are the majority and they choose leaders in this country based on their religious choices, and not what the candidate has to offer?
You don't even think far.
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by kingxsamz(m): 9:33pm On Jun 10
advanceDNA:


We go hear am?? Lol...sounds like u are angry. Don’t burst a blood vessel over a non existent God...

I'm not the one crying that my religion is being bashed, am I? cheesy
Re: Atheists Cannot Be Good Leaders by advanceDNA: 9:36pm On Jun 10
kingxsamz:


I'm not the one crying that my religion is being bashed, am I? cheesy


Crying?? u sound like kid desperate to score cheap point....
we are only dialoging...we started from elections, u ended with insults...clearly..I’m not the petty one here...if there’s anyone about to cry..it’s you

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