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Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Biafrannuke: 8:53pm On Jul 18, 2021
A lot of people are still in the dark as to whether the FG acted lawfully on Kanu's purpoted repatriation. Judge with this analogy.


A man named Mr Charles owns a smartphone. One day, he decided to charge in his neighbour's house.

His neighbour named James opened the door to him, accepted and plugged in the phone for him.

In the evening, on his way back from the church, he saw another friend named John with same phone. John claims that Charles unlawfully took a picture of him john, and, as a man of principle, he John has finally gotten the phone and wants to be fair by deleting only the wanted picture in the presence of Mr Charles. Mr John also fails to disclose how he got the phone.


Questions

Should Mr John who was found with someone's smartphone be allowed to proceed to tamper with the phone or should he answer questions for theft? Does his unwillingness to disclose how he got the phone justify having a property not belonging to him?

Is Mr James in whose custody the phone went missing off the hook? Can he successfully deny the phone's whereabouts despite collecting and plugging it in for Mr Charles?

Does the phone's owner, Mr Charles have the right to reclaim his phone unconditionally, and even demand for Mr John's punishment?

Answer the questions and understand why malami was called a disgrace to the rule of law.

BTW, Mr Charles represents the United kingdom. The Smartphone represents Nnamdi KANU. Mr James represents Kenya, While Mr John represents Nigeria.

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Mynd44: 8:57pm On Jul 18, 2021
Now read this story again but this way.

Mr Charles and Mr John are joint owners of the phone 50-50 with each of them having equal ownership of the phone and this is known by Mr James.

Basically imagine Mr Charles and Mr John as a married couple and Charles leave a phone with James.

John then comes later to collect the phone.


Charles can be upset but who cares? The phone belongs to the both of them legally

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by OneNigerianist: 8:59pm On Jul 18, 2021
Mynd44:
Now read this story again but this way.

Mr Charles and John are joint owners of the phone 50-50
except that a phone can't be owned by two people
Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Mynd44: 9:00pm On Jul 18, 2021
OneNigerianist:
except that a phone can't be owned by two people

Hence why this analogy is short sighted.

People can have dual nationality and it is okay
Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Biafrannuke: 9:06pm On Jul 18, 2021
Mynd44:
Now read this story again but this way.

Mr Charles and Mr John are joint owners of the phone 50-50 with each of them having equal ownership of the phone and this is known by Mr James.

Two people can't own a phone at the same time. therefore your analogy does not suffice since the UK has the sole stake to Kanu's citizenship in circumstance under consideration, having traveled with their passport.

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Mangekyo: 9:08pm On Jul 18, 2021
Should Mr John who was found with someone's smartphone be allowed to proceed to tamper with the phone or should he answer questions for theft?
obviously he shouldn't be allowed to continue tempering with what isn't rightfully his. The owner must approve of it.

Does his unwillingness to disclose how he got the phone justify having a property not belonging to him?
No, it doesn't justify shit.

Is Mr James in whose custody the phone went missing off the hook?
Well in my opinion, he should be let off. Obviously John tricked him into giving him the phone when he told him he just wanted to delete a picture that belongs to him that's in the phone. He should get little or no punishment.

Can he successfully deny the phone's whereabouts despite collecting and plugging it in for Mr Charles?
no he cannot except he's a good liar and charles decides to just let it slide

Does the phone's owner, Mr Charles have the right to reclaim his phone unconditionally, and even demand for Mr John's punishment?
100%

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Mynd44: 9:10pm On Jul 18, 2021
Biafrannuke:
Two people can't own a phone at the same time. therefore your analogy does not suffice since the UK has the sole stake to Kanu's citizenship in circumstance under consideration, having traveled with their passport.
A.phone is different from a person. A person can have dual nationality and that is the case here.

If you want to relate Mr Kanu to an item, relate him to a jointly owned item
Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by OneNigerianist: 9:15pm On Jul 18, 2021
Mynd44:


Hence why this analogy is short sighted.

People can have dual nationality and it is okay
sorry, your argument of dual citizenship is not valid here since one cannot travel with two passports at the same time. Any country on whose passport one travels is the one that protects an individual. Nigeria will run into trouble the same way Kenya would run into trouble it they Kidnap Obama with US passport on foreign soil.

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Mynd44: 9:18pm On Jul 18, 2021
OneNigerianist:
sorry, your argument of dual citizenship is not valid here since one cannot travel with two passports at the same time. Any country on whose passport one travels is the one that protects an individual. Nigeria will run into trouble the same way Kenya would run into trouble it they Kidnap Obama with US passport on foreign soil.


Where do you people get your information from?

That he travelled with a passport does not in anyway negate the fact that he is a citizen of the other country. A passport is just an evidence that you are a citizen for travel reasons. Being a citizen is more than the passport
Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Biafrannuke: 9:22pm On Jul 18, 2021
Mynd44:

A.phone is different from a person. A person can have dual nationality and that is the case here.

If you want to relate Mr Kanu to an item, relate him to a jointly owned item
maybe you should just answer me. Did Kanu travel to the Kenya as a British citizen or a Nigerian?

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Mynd44: 9:27pm On Jul 18, 2021
Biafrannuke:
maybe you should just answer me. Did Kanu travel to the Kenya as a British citizen or a Nigerian?
He travelled as a British Nigerian carrying a British passport.

This isn't so difficult

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Biafrannuke: 9:30pm On Jul 18, 2021
Mynd44:

He travelled as a British Nigerian carrying a British passport.

This isn't so difficult
is there a country called "British Nigeria"? In travel protocol, is there anything as traveling as a dual citizen?

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Mynd44: 9:32pm On Jul 18, 2021
Biafrannuke:
is there a country called "British Nigeria"?
Obviously, you are here for jokes.

Bye

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by velocity25(m): 9:38pm On Jul 18, 2021
Biafrannuke:
is there a country called "British Nigeria"? In travel protocol, is there anything as traveling as a dual citizen?
abeg ask him

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Sammy07: 9:49pm On Jul 18, 2021
Biafrannuke:
is there a country called "British Nigeria"? In travel protocol, is there anything as traveling as a dual citizen?

Lol, guy you're funny.
So you haven't heard of A British Nigeria?

Those Nigeria footballers wey dey play for England, they are what?

CC: MYND44
Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by PointZerom: 9:49pm On Jul 18, 2021
Mynd44:

He travelled as a British Nigerian carrying a British passport.

This'll isn't so difficult
The question is too hard for you to answer. FACT.

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by PointZerom: 9:51pm On Jul 18, 2021
Sammy07:


Lol, guy you're funny.
So you haven't heard of A British Nigeria?

Those Nigeria footballers wey dey play for England, they are what?

CC: MYND44

If you kidnapp such players which country do you think will come for them?

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Biafrannuke: 9:54pm On Jul 18, 2021
Mynd44:

Obviously, you are here for jokes.

Bye
unfortunately it's no joke. you only discovered your dual citizenship argument was going to hit the rock. If you end up travelling to Russia with a Togolese passport and needed to be deported, will you be treated as a Togolese or a dual citizen?
Will Russia hire a witch doctor to tell you are Nigerian also?
You will be deported to Togo straight away.

You travel as a citizen of the country you have their passport not as a dual citizen. As a matter of fact, one cannot enjoy the citizenship of two countries at a time. So, Kanu was kidnapped as a British under international law. Your giving up your argument is well understood.

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Sammy07: 9:55pm On Jul 18, 2021
PointZerom:


If you kidnapp such players which country do you think will come for them?

If they terrorize my state from England, so the country shouldn't do anything?

Wait, if they terrorize USA or Russia from England, they won't come.for them?

grin you mean USA or Russia won't extradite them from England? grin
Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by PointZerom: 9:56pm On Jul 18, 2021
Sammy07:


If they terrorize my state from England, so the country shouldn't do anything?

Wait, if they terrorize USA or Russia from England, they won't come.for them?

grin you mean USA or Russia won't extradite them from England? grin


You haven't answered my question.

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Sammy07: 9:58pm On Jul 18, 2021
PointZerom:


You haven't answered my question.

I have answered you bro, NOTHING will happen.

Imagine Shekau terrorizing USA from Nigeria.
He will be kidnap without Nigeria knowing self grin

How come They didn't come for USA head when this terrorist guy was killed in IRAN OR IRAQ self
On their own soil grin
Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by SlayerForever: 10:10pm On Jul 18, 2021
The way this mod is desperately pinning Nigerian citizenship on Nnamdi Kanu is comical grin grin grin

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Penguin2: 10:27pm On Jul 18, 2021
Mynd44:
Now read this story again but this way.

Mr Charles and Mr John are joint owners of the phone 50-50 with each of them having equal ownership of the phone and this is known by Mr James.

Basically imagine Mr Charles and Mr John as a married couple and Charles leave a phone with James.

John then comes later to collect the phone.


Charles can be upset but who cares? The phone belongs to the both of them legally

It’s pathetic you are a Moderator on this forum.

Aren’t you supposed to be be fair and not openly show bias as you constantly do here?

Can two persons jointly own one phone at a 50-50 ratio?

Somebody made a logical analogy requiring a logical answer and you are rephrasing it. Would you rephrase this question if you were in exam hall?

Gosh!

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Penguin2: 10:31pm On Jul 18, 2021
Sammy07:


I have answered you bro, NOTHING will happen.

Imagine Shekau terrorizing USA from Nigeria.
He will be kidnap without Nigeria knowing self grin

How come They didn't come for USA head when this terrorist guy was killed in IRAN OR IRAQ self
On their own soil grin

You are talking of Internationally recognized terrorists.

Stop justifying Nigeria’s double standard.

IPOB was declared a terrorist organization when the have not even fired a single shot.

But Fulani herdsmen has continued to massacre people in their hundreds and your govt continually turn blind eyes without even a single word of condemnation.

Tell me where else in the world such a thing is obtainable.

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Sammy07: 10:32pm On Jul 18, 2021
Penguin2:


You are talking of Internationally recognized terrorists.

Stop justifying Nigeria’s double standard.

IPOB was declared a terrorist organization when the have not even fired a single shot.

But Fulani herdsmen has continued to massacre people in their hundreds and your govt continually turn blind eyes without even a single word of condemnation.

Tell me where else in the world such a thing is obtainable.

You've started with emotions
Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Penguin2: 10:37pm On Jul 18, 2021
Biafrannuke:
unfortunately it's no joke. you only discovered your dual citizenship argument was going to hit the rock. If you end up travelling to Russia with a Togolese passport and needed to be deported, will you be treated as a Togolese or a dual citizen?
Will Russia hire a witch doctor to tell you are Nigerian also?
You will be deported to Togo straight away.

You travel as a citizen of the country you have their passport not as a dual citizen. As a matter of fact, one cannot enjoy the citizenship of two countries at a time. So, Kanu was kidnapped as a British under international law. Your giving up your argument is well understood.

Don’t mind zombies with their half education and illogical mentality.

When Kanu was arrested in Kenya, there was a passport found on him and that’s the country he should have been repatriated to.

Nothing concerns Nigeria at all.

If Kanu had committed a crime in Kenya, the news headline would have read “A British Nationale does so and so”... there wouldn’t have been any mention of Nigeria because nothing Nigerian is on him.

Sometimes I don’t know if these zombies make these arguments deliberately or that that is there level of understanding.

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Wiseandtrue(f): 10:38pm On Jul 18, 2021
Mynd44:

A.phone is different from a person. A person can have dual nationality and that is the case here.

If you want to relate Mr Kanu to an item, relate him to a jointly owned item
How can you own a person who refused to associate with you Is he a slave

Run a quick Google search, Kanu won't be the first to disown Nigeria!

FYI the amalgamation of Nigeria ended in 2014 and as far as I am concerned it has not being renewed!

So which Nigeria are you talking about

In case you are not aware, what we have now is Southern and Northern protectorate!

The Nigerian government acted illegally! Let that sink in!

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Penguin2: 10:40pm On Jul 18, 2021
Sammy07:


You've started with emotions

Is that how you dodge the question?

Tell me which country in the world declares one provocative group a terrorist organization and leaves another group with way more atrocities?

What is emotional about the question?

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Sammy07: 10:42pm On Jul 18, 2021
Penguin2:


Is that how you dodge the question?

Tell me which country in the world declares one provocative group a terrorist organization and leaves another group with way more atrocities?

What is emotional about the question?

Which one are we discussing right now?
Kanu or who?
Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by Noneroone(m): 10:47pm On Jul 18, 2021
Mynd44:

He travelled as a British Nigerian carrying a British passport.

This isn't so difficult
No. You travel on a passport. If you are traveling with British passport, it means you are traveling as a British and the law sees you as such. The idea of dual citizenship does not apply here.

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Re: Extraordinary Rendition: The Nature Of Crime Committed By Nigeria by johnHerba(m): 9:51pm On Jul 21, 2021
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