If everyone obeyed God's Ten Commandments, would the world be a better place ?

I'm just interested in the answers people give for this... and also, if you're willing, please answer why.

Thank you.

awitness41:
If everyone obeyed God's Ten Commandments, would the world be a better place ?

I'm just interested in the answers people give for this... and also, if you're willing, please answer why.

Thank you.

OH YES!

1) the wicked and the evil ones will delete themselves and be deleted from the world. One of the Aims and Goals of The Commandments is The Law of "So you shall remove the evil from among you".

It is man that must remove the-evil, since it is man who took it up in the first place.

2) Goodness and Goodnesses will be flowing everywhere eg, House will be free, (for it belongeth to God as the air, the see, the trees etc) land will be free, (Thief-Thief Land Use Act), every soul will eat fat, nothing like the hungry, we all could have gone round the world to see the wonderful wonderful things God created with no visa or passport or the lie called money (as it used to be, also Natural Hotels and accommodation was open).

3) O' Courts will be free and very highly accurate in their judgements, therefore disputes and contention will be rightly and speedily settled.

4) Wars will never arise for every one shall know The Law "Living Honestly, Harming No One and Giving Each Person their True Due"!

5) And then I foresee God being well pleased with men such that He would Revoke The Law of Death and then men would have long long lives, as it was in the beginning. (The saving power of The Law).

But, this is all changed now. Men have greatly annoyed The Lord and Disobeyed Him, Stealing and Appropriating His Things as theirs when they would have been satisfied with their own portion but because they want to rule other men, they therefore appropriated everything to themselves while bribing/murdering any who spoke against their evil action, among other evils

just open a bible and read about the countless atrocities committed under the watchful guidance of that "god"

MrBrownJay1:
just open a bible and read about the countless atrocities committed under the watchful guidance of that "god"

Why are you people so crazy!

Na you plant stone, after a while you come with your expectation to dig yam, and then you are surprised to find stone. You guys are crazy indeed.

When a fool is making a fool of himself, who is ever going to interfere.

God own pipu dey obey the commandment.That's why U see those MAD pipu from Afghanistan origin killing them anyhow..God will not sleep

Yeah but human will always do the other wise

The world is nt meant to be a better place
According to the scriptures
Everything happening now has been scripted even before time
So the answer to your question is
NO

Snitch24:
The world is nt meant to be a better place
According to the scriptures
Everything happening now has been scripted even before time
So the answer to your question is
NO

You are wrong because No Nation or people has ever played out the other God Recommended Scripts.

They are rather doing the same things their forerunners did which was outside the God Recommended Script.

MrBrownJay1:
just open a bible and read about the countless atrocities committed under the watchful guidance of that "god"

Meaning God she kill anyone who sins immediately without mercy Okwaya? How wld you be alive today if God does that?

Snitch24:
The world is nt meant to be a better place
According to the scriptures
Everything happening now has been scripted even before time
So the answer to your question is
NO

Really? And which scriptures says so? Pls point me there.

awitness41:

If everyone obeyed God's Ten Commandments, would the world be a better place?
I'm just interested in the answers people give for this... and also, if you're willing, please answer why.
Thank you.

NO! It's just a prerequisite for the PERFECT law only Jesus' teachings can make the world a better place!
When God gave imperfect humans (Israelites) those Commandments they never had PEACE because they're imperfect. But when Jesus commissioned Christianity his true followers JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES had PEACE permeating their Organization, they've agreed to govern themselves with Christ's teachings, they've settled all their racial disputes, they've resolved to divert all their resources into production of food and information materials, they've vowed never to participate in military services or Politics and never to learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4
That's the difference between the Mosaic laws and the law of Christ.
Jehovah's Witnesses are equally imperfect humans just like the Israelites yet while the Israelites are all descendants of one man (Jacob) Jehovah's Witnesses are people from different races yet they are able to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in their gathering, whereas the Israelites failed.
So the Mosaic laws can't bring PEACE in the midst of imperfect humans but the law of Christ can because he is the Prince of Peace! Isaiah 9:6-7
May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:


NO! It's just a prerequisite for the PERFECT law only Jesus' teachings can make the world a better place!
When God gave imperfect humans (Israelites) those Commandments they never had PEACE because they're imperfect. But when Jesus commissioned Christianity his true followers JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES had PEACE permeating their Organization, they've agreed to govern themselves with Christ's teachings, they've settled all their racial disputes, they've resolved to divert all their resources into production of food and information materials, they've vowed never to participate in military services or Politics and never to learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4
That's the difference between the Mosaic laws and the law of Christ.
Jehovah's Witnesses are equally imperfect humans just like the Israelites yet while the Israelites are all descendants of one man (Jacob) Jehovah's Witnesses are people from different races yet they are able to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in their gathering, whereas the Israelites failed.
So the Mosaic laws can't bring PEACE in the midst of imperfect humans but the law of Christ can because he is the Prince of Peace! Isaiah 9:6-7
May you have PEACE!

No ?
So the Jehovah's Witnesses trump God's Commandments ?
Remember - Jesus very clearly teaches us to keep God's Commandments.
(You should know the Verses yourself, Max, but I'm sure others would be willing to point them out to you if you don't.)
If you say the JWs keep Jesus' teachings, then surely you should understand God's Commandments are part of that, and are good.

By saying "NO!", what you are saying is this: "The world would NOT be a better place if no one murdered, stole, lied, coveted, commited adultery (fornication, looked at porn, divorced, etc.), dishonored parents, misused God's name, commited idolatry, had other gods; or if everyone kept the only Sabbath in the Bible."

Any person who believes such a thing by saying "NO!".. they refuse both Jesus' Teachings and Sacrifice.

Anas09:

Really? And which scriptures says so? Pls point me there.

Those 2 are sons of Satan so you can not expect anything True and balanced from them.

awitness41:

No ?
So the Jehovah's Witnesses trump God's Commandments ?
Remember - Jesus very clearly teaches us to keep God's Commandments.
(You should know the Verses yourself, Max, but I'm sure others would be willing to point them out to you if you don't.)
If you say the JWs keep Jesus' teachings, then surely you should understand God's Commandments are part of that, and are good.
By saying "NO!", what you are saying is this: "The world would NOT be a better place if no one murdered, stole, lied, coveted, commited adultery (fornication, looked at porn, divorced, etc.), dishonored parents, misused God's name, commited idolatry, had other gods; or if everyone kept the only Sabbath in the Bible."
Any person who believes such a thing by saying "NO!".. they refuse both Jesus' Teachings and Sacrifice.

Jesus was born, bread and raised as an Israelite so as a Jew Jesus must obey the Mosaic laws which serves as a Covenant between God and that nation.
But i'm not from that nation the Covenant that brought me close to that same God is the New Covenant which has nothing to do with those obsolete laws! Romans 10:2-4

After Jesus' death on the torture stake that old covenant with it's laws ended, that's why the angel inside the holy of holies left Jerusalem Temple {Matthew 27:51} and the Holy Spirit had nothing to do with that worship or it's Commandments anymore. That day Jesus breathe his last on earth serves as the end of that Temple along with everything having to do with it {John 2:19} so the New Temple now has the New Covenant staring from the day Jesus Rose from the dead. The Jews realized this at Pentecost when God's Holy Spirit descended on the
New Temple
The Israel of God
The New Jerusalem
The Christian Congregation.
Jewish witnessing that event were reminded what God's prophet (Joel) foretold about the sign that will mark the sealing of the New Covenant {Joel 2:8-29} Apostle Peter was the person who confirmed it! Act 2:16-18

So my friend in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth i'm above those old OBSOLETE laws because in Jesus is the PERFECT law that leads to everlasting life!

I don't need to start studying those old laws to become a perfect man, all i need is keep looking into Jesus, through his thoughts, words and actions i'll be better that all those who lived from Abel till John the baptist {Matthew 11:11-12} because i've gotten what none of them heard. I have Jesus the PERFECT law through whom i can see the real personality of God! John 1:18

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus was born, bread and raised as an Israelite so as a Jew Jesus must obey the Mosaic laws which serves as a Covenant between God and that nation.
But i'm not from that nation the Covenant that brought me close to that same God is the New Covenant which has nothing to do with those obsolete laws! Romans 10:2-4

After Jesus' death on the torture stake that old covenant with it's laws ended, that's why the angel inside the holy of holies left Jerusalem Temple {Matthew 27:51} and the Holy Spirit had nothing to do with that worship or it's Commandments anymore. That day Jesus breathe his last on earth serves as the end of that Temple along with everything having to do with it {John 2:19} so the New Temple now has the New Covenant staring from the day Jesus Rose from the dead. The Jews realized this at Pentecost when God's Holy Spirit descended on the
New Temple
The Israel of God
The New Jerusalem
The Christian Congregation.
Jewish witnessing that event were reminded what God's prophet (Joel) foretold about the sign that will mark the sealing of the New Covenant {Joel 2:8-29} Apostle Peter was the person who confirmed it! Act 2:16-18

So my friend in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth i'm above those old OBSOLETE laws because in Jesus is the PERFECT law that leads to everlasting life!

I don't need to start studying those old laws to become a perfect man, all i need is keep looking into Jesus, through his thoughts, words and actions i'll be better that all those who lived from Abel till John the baptist {Matthew 11:11-12} because i've gotten what none of them heard. I have Jesus the PERFECT law through whom i can see the real personality of God! John 1:18

May you have PEACE!

So you cannot discern the difference between Mosaic Law regarding priests, feasts, sacrifices, and rituals like circumcision, and God's Ten Commandments which are universal for all time ?

Do you deny that Jesus teaches us ALL to keep the Ten Commandments ?

Or instead, do you try to pretend that Jesus was teaching "only Jews at that time" to keep the Commandments ?

If so, how do you discern which of "His Teachings" are for you, and which ones were for the "Jews" ?

But please, do not forget to answer: Does Jesus in fact teach us to keep the Two Most Important Commandments AND the Ten Commandments - YES or NO ?

awitness41:

So you cannot discern the difference between Mosaic Law regarding priests, feasts, sacrifices, and rituals like circumcision, and God's Ten Commandments which are universal for all time ?

Moses was the mediator of those laws he never said those laws will exceed the settlement of the Israelites {Exodus 19:4-6} so all those laws were ONLY for those living within the boarders of Israel, that's why Jesus said when the New Covenant comes it will not be limited to the boarders of Israel! John 4:22-24

Do you deny that Jesus teaches us ALL to keep the Ten Commandments?

When Jesus came he specifically said his coming was for only his people (Israelites) {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} of course the invitation will be extended to other nations but it's until when the Israelites got the New Covenant {Mark 7:27-28} so it's not the old laws that Jesus expected his followers to take to the nations rather it's his own teachings! Matthew 28:19-20

Or instead, do you try to pretend that Jesus was teaching "only Jews at that time" to keep the Commandments?

Jesus told the Israelites to keep the laws of the old covenant because that's what will lead them to IDENTIFY him as the Messiah (Christ) who is coming with a totally different covenant! Deuteronomy 18:15-19 compare to Jeremiah 31:31-34

If so, how do you discern which of "His Teachings" are for you, and which ones were for the "Jews"?

Jesus' teachings was PRIMARILY for the Jews that's why after appointing 12 apostles for the nation of Israel Jesus appointed another apostles (Paul) who will teach other nations the laws of Christ {Act 9:15; Galatians 2:7; 1Timothy 27} that's why Paul called the Christians in Galatians "FOOLS" because they were going back to the old laws! Galatians 3:1, 23-25

But please, do not forget to answer: Does Jesus in fact teach us to keep the Two Most Important Commandments AND the Ten Commandments - YES or NO ?

Jesus reminded the Israelites listening to him the greatest of all the Commandments in the Mosaic laws given to that nation. {Mark 12:28-31} but to his own followers (including us) Jesus gave a New Commandment! John 13:34-35
So those two laws were to summarize all the Mosaic laws in two but to the CHRISTIANS he gave another Commandment entirely different from that of Moses!

The 10 commandments which the jews incorporated from the 42 laws of Ma'at is meant for all of mankind for all of eternity. They are Gods divine laws to ensure peace on earth which is the ultimate goal.
No alien, monster, Robert or terminator is coming to change. Certainly not the romans who attributed the crap to their invented demi God.

MaxInDHouse:

Moses was the mediator of those laws he never said those laws will exceed the settlement of the Israelites {Exodus 19:4-6} so all those laws were ONLY for those living within the boarders of Israel, that's why Jesus said when the New Covenant comes it will not be limited to the boarders of Israel! John 4:22-24


When Jesus came he specifically said his coming was for only his people (Israelites) {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} of course the invitation will be extended to other nations but it's until when the Israelites got the New Covenant {Mark 7:27-28} so it's not the old laws that Jesus expected his followers to take to the nations rather it's his own teachings! Matthew 28:19-20


Jesus told the Israelites to keep the laws of the old covenant because that's what will lead them to IDENTIFY him as the Messiah (Christ) who is coming with a totally different covenant! Deuteronomy 18:15-19 compare to Jeremiah 31:31-34


Jesus' teachings was PRIMARILY for the Jews that's why after appointing 12 apostles for the nation of Israel Jesus appointed another apostles (Paul) who will teach other nations the laws of Christ {Act 9:15; Galatians 2:7; 1Timothy 27} that's why Paul called the Christians in Galatians "FOOLS" because they were going back to the old laws! Galatians 3:1, 23-25


Jesus reminded the Israelites listening to him the greatest of all the Commandments in the Mosaic laws given to that nation. {Mark 12:28-31} but to his own followers (including us) Jesus gave a New Commandment! John 13:34-35
So those two laws were to summarize all the Mosaic laws in two but to the CHRISTIANS he gave another Commandment entirely different from that of Moses!

Since you believe Jesus only preached God's Ten Commandments to the Jews, I'd say you cherry-pick what you want out of Jesus' Teachings.

But, as a Christian, knowing othewise, I'll still let that one go and ask you another thing:

Do you think Jesus knew what the definition of "sin" is ?

awitness41:

If everyone obeyed God's Ten Commandments, would the world be a better place ?
I'm just interested in the answers people give for this... and also, if you're willing, please answer why.
Thank you.

The highlighted above is the reason why i've been chatting with you, but the below shows you already had a preconceived judgment on your question. So follow your heart i'm only giving you my own answer and why i believe so!

awitness41:

Since you believe Jesus only preached God's Ten Commandments to the Jews, I'd say you cherry-pick what you want out of Jesus' Teachings.
But, as a Christian, knowing othewise, I'll still let that one go and ask you another thing:
Do you think Jesus knew what the definition of "sin" is ?

Please hold onto whatever you believe about Jesus of Nazareth, i thought you want to know what others believe regarding your question!
So if you already have a preconceived answer please keep it!

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted above is the reason why i've been chatting with you, but the below shows you already had a preconceived judgment on your question. So follow your heart i'm only giving you my own answer and why i believe so!

Please hold onto whatever you believe about Jesus of Nazareth, i thought you want to know what others believe regarding your question!
So if you already have a preconceived answer please keep it!

May you have PEACE!

I do believe that if everyone kept God's Ten Commandments the world would be a better place.
What's wrong with that ?
And if I want to know what other people would answer to that question, what is wrong with that ?

It was for the basis of discussion, which we were having.

And so, when you say questionable things, I try to discuss it with you in a Christian-like manner.
Again, what's wrong with that ?

If you don't want to answer the question (Do you think Jesus knew what the definition of "sin" is ?), then don't.

But still, I will say that yes, Jesus did know the definition of "sin".

And the Bible points it out to all of us, defining what sin is in three basic ways:

(1) From James 4:17, if we know to do good and don't do it, it's sin. (Likewise, if we know a thing is wrong but do it anyway, it's sin.)

(2) From 1 John 5:17, sin is all unrighteousness.

(3) From 1 John 3:4, sin in lawlessness (NKJV), or similarly stated in the (KJV), sin is transgression of the Law.

If we put these together to keep "All Truth", we see that sin is the transgression of the Law...

...a Law that must also define "all righteousness", because if we break it (by doing an unrighteous thing), it is also sin.

And James also agrees: sin is not doing that which we know is Righteous, that is, what is right.

So which Law is it that contains "all righteousness", that if we break it, we sin (by not doing the right thing) ?

Of course it's God's Commandments, the same Law specified in James 2:10-11, Romans 7:7, Matthew 5:17-19, and elsewhere.

In the Bible, Paul also reminds us that there can be no transgression without Law (Romans 4:15).
Is there transgression ? Yes, from the beginning right through to today.
So there's the Law, God's Law, which contains all the Righteousness of God, according to His Standard of Righteousness.
That is, God's Law represents all the righteous (right) moral choices that free-will beings can make.

God's Law includes the Two Most Important Commandments (to Love God and others) and the Ten Commandments (both the Letter and Heart of them, as noted below).

In addition to the above definitions of sin, Jesus teaches that there is the Letter of the Law and the Heart of the Law, and that the Heart contains more than just the Letter. He gives us examples of this to follow in Matthew 5, including the heart of "you shall not murder" and "you shall not commit adultery". He also adds that we shall keep the Commandments not only in our outward behavior, but also in our inward self, in our own heart. By these examples, Jesus teaches how the Ten Commandments, in their easy-to-understand language, provide the basis of the full moral code we are to live by (see also Exodus 34:27-28).

For example, "you shall not murder" (the Letter of the Sixth Commandment) also means do not keep anger or ill will toward anyone (the Heart of the Sixth Commandment). We shall not even call anyone a “fool!” in unrighteous anger. In the same way, "you shall not commit adultery" (the Seventh Commandment) also means we shall not look at anyone to lust for them; and also, we shall not divorce for any reason except sexual immorality. And all the Ten Commandments are like this, each having both Letter and Heart, with the Heart expanding the Letter to its full meaning in God's Standard of Righteousness.

Thus, from Jesus' examples, we know that a true-hearted person will not just keep the Letter of God's Law (the Commandments) for “technical” or “legalistic" reasons; a true-hearted person will also keep the Heart of God's Law, by contemplating the Commandments (with the help of God's Word and the Holy Spirit) to see how the Commandments include all aspects of human behavior. When a person does this and becomes convicted as to what sin really is, they will know the true extent of sin, and its causes-and-effects, both within themselves and in the world around them. It is a great awakening, from which a sanctifying Walk with the Lord can progress in all Valuable ways.

Two more questions, Max:

1) Does Jesus teach all of us to "sin no more", or just the Jews ?
2) If you claim the Ten Commandments are only for the Jews and are not valid for Gentiles, then how should we, the Gentiles, know what sin is without using the definition of sin in the Bible ?

awitness41:



Two more questions, Max:

1) Does Jesus teach all of us to "sin no more", or just the Jews ?
2) If you claim the Ten Commandments are only for the Jews and are not valid for Gentiles, then how should we, the Gentiles, know what sin is without using the definition of sin in the Bible ?[i][/i]

Are you saying those who stole or committed sins before the coming of the white man, our ancestors used to clap for them?

22jumpstreet:


Are you saying those who stole or committed sins before the coming of the white man, our ancestors used to clap for them?

Not at all.
Even Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel knew what sin was, as did Noah, as did Abraham, and so on... as we all should without carrying heavy stone tablets around with us in our pockets.
The knowledge of right and wrong are given to everyone (John 1:4).

awitness41:


Not at all.
Even Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel knew what sin was, as did Noah, as did Abraham, and so on... as we all should without carrying heavy stone tablets around with us in our pockets.
The knowledge of right and wrong are given to everyone (John 1:4).

Of what use is the Bible then if it is in man to know right and wrong..?

awitness41:

Since you believe Jesus only preached God's Ten Commandments to the Jews, I'd say you cherry-pick what you want out of Jesus' Teachings.

The highlighted is offensive!
When you ask questions and want people to open their hearts you need to be neutral after all you asked not that you want to teach.

1) Does Jesus teach all of us to "sin no more", or just the Jews ?
2) If you claim the Ten Commandments are only for the Jews and are not valid for Gentiles, then how should we, the Gentiles, know what sin is without using the definition of sin in the Bible ?

In the beginning God never set so much rules but just one, it's imperfection that brought all those laws into the picture.
Jesus' mission is to set the standard like a role model for us not through listed rules but the laws of the Christ is written in Jesus thoughts, words and actions.
So if Jesus use to kill then i can kill, if Jesus use to steal then i can still, if Jesus use to protest against constituted authorities then i can do the same. It's not about the old laws anymore rather i'll keep looking at Jesus who is my own law!
Now i ask you, in the ten commandments the Sabbath (Saturday) must be kept holy, no laborious work should be done that day.
Do you think the whole world should be shut down every Saturday?
Was that how God's people from Abel till Joseph always keep the Sabbath?
If it's not so then why must it be from the time of the Israelites and not from the time of Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph?

Except for those that command people to worship Jehovah, the red are the foundation of every human laws

MaxInDHouse:

The highlighted is offensive!
When you ask questions and want people to open their hearts you need to be neutral after all you asked not that you want to teach.

In the beginning God never set so much rules but just one, it's imperfection that brought all those laws into the picture.
Jesus' mission is to set the standard like a role model for us not through listed rules but the laws of the Christ is written in Jesus thoughts, words and actions.
So if Jesus use to kill then i can kill, if Jesus use to steal then i can still, if Jesus use to protest against constituted authorities then i can do the same. It's not about the old laws anymore rather i'll keep looking at Jesus who is my own law!
Now i ask you, in the ten commandments the Sabbath (Saturday) must be kept holy, no laborious work should be done that day.
Do you think the whole world should be shut down every Saturday?
Was that how God's people from Abel till Joseph always keep the Sabbath?
If it's not so then why must it be from the time of the Israelites and not from the time of Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph?

I'm not a teacher, Max.
At most I'm a Brother, and that's it.
I'm discussing something with you... and you shouldn't consider yourself a teacher either (I don't think you do), but merely a brother.

But Max, and I'm supposing the JWs by extension, you DO cherry-pick what you want from Jesus teachings !
I spoke the Truth, nothing more or less.
You don't like that Truth, but it doesn't mean it's not the Truth.
And I don't always coddle the easily-offended (should we be so easily offended by the Truth ?), but you know I still Love you anyway.

And from what you're saying, you also noted that Jesus Himself kept God's Commandments... ALL of them (because He did not sin).
He didn't steal, He didn't kill, He didn't lie... but truly He did protest against the authorities by merely telling the Truth (since they were liars, and were offended by the Truth); and Jesus also kept the only Sabbath in the Bible - for Jews and Gentiles alike.
You will not find one un-manipulated Verse to the contrary from front to back in the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation.
You might find examples of men not keeping the Sabbath in the Bible, but you won't find another Sabbath in the Bible.

As you know, God Himself rested on the 7th day of Creation week.
Genesis 2:3 (NKJV) tells us:
"Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made."
From this, we can assume that Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel knew the proper day.
Enoch... God took him to Heaven ! Do you really think Enoch broke the Sabbath ?
Noah was declared righteous by God; if not, he and his family wouldn't have been on the boat !
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph... where does it say in the Bible that they didn't keep the Sabbath ?
In fact, God declared to Isaac, saying about his father Abraham, "...because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."
If so, we can be sure Abraham kept the proper Sabbath.

The Fourth Commandment itself also clearly states it in Exodus 20:8-11 (NKJV):
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

In the Deuteronomy 5 it says "‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you". It also reminds them that God brought them out of slavery in Egypt (i.e. bondage), and "therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day."
They didn't have to wonder which Sabbath God meant.
He even tested them on it before there were any stone tablets.

Now maybe after the Egyptians enslaved the Israelites, they were forced to work on the Sabbath, we don't know.
But if so, it would be reasonable for God to remind the Israelites about it after that point, because they might not have been in the habit of it for a while.

Tell you what... if you don't want to keep the only Sabbath in the Bible, then don't.
You won't offend me. You might offend God and Jesus, but not me... I'm happy for Them to be the Judge.

I want to keep it because I want to do what Jesus did Himself (because He didn't sin, nor did His followers... because they Loved God !).

Now of course, hospitals and such must still be open and minimally functional, but Jesus also healed on the Sabbath, so no "wahala" (I'm not Nigerian, but I learned that word out here... )

God is not an unreasonable God, but reasonable.

We must also eat on the Sabbath and do other similar essential things.

I'm not a Pharisee, nor should anyone else be.

But we should take our rest as God commands it.. if we Love Him.

22jumpstreet:


Of what use is the Bible then if it is in man to know right and wrong..?

Because man, while knowing, doesn't keep God's Law in his heart.

John 3:19-21 (NKJV):
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

Therefore, God gave us the Word to remind of us of It (often!), with plenty of examples of right vs wrong and good vs evil.

Why ?

Because God Loves us, and wants us to Live, not perish in sin !

Also, perhaps consider this:

At some point after the Beginning, God and Jesus made the very first Angels in Heaven (for Angels were created before man).
And like all beings God and Jesus ever made - Angelic or human - They gave the Angels free will and the ability to communicate.
And because the first Angels could communicate, if one wanted to tell God and Jesus something, he had, by the free will given to him, a choice.
He could choose to tell God and Jesus the Truth about something, or he could choose tell Them a lie.

And that was the very beginning of God's Law.
For wherever there is a moral choice combined with free will, there is God's Law, discerning between what is good versus evil, right versus wrong, and righteous versus unrighteous.
If we speak and do according to God's Standard of Righteousness, we follow the Law.
If we do not, then we break the Law.

Thus, God's Law existed practically since the dawn of time, as soon as God and Jesus made the first Angel.
In fact, God's Law is omnipresent, existing everywhere, in Heaven and throughout the universe, including Earth.
In fact God's Law is an integral PART of existence, wherever any free-will beings exist and can make moral choices.

One cannot escape God's Law any more than they can escape their own free will.
No, we cannot escape God's Law.
We can only keep it or break It.
And when we break It, we sin.

The rebellious of course hate the words "Commandment" and "Law".
And the rebellious do everything imaginable, including inventing deceitful doctrines, to avoid anything to do with those words.
But there is nothing to hate.
For it is founded on Love by God for His beings.
God's Law is there because God Loves His beings and wants them to be protected by right-living.
Those who embrace God's Law know this.
Those who reject God's Law live a lie, pretending there is no such thing.

Is there free will ? Yes.
Are there moral choices to be made ? Yes.
To deny either of those is a lie.

People can choose whatever they want to believe, either from God or men.
But if we refuse the simplest of Truths, what more will be given to us ?

Dtruthspeaker:


Those 2 are sons of Satan so you can not expect anything True and balanced from them.

I'm used to satanists here.

There are things we need to iron out!

First of all Jesus commaded us to go and teach people of all the nations all what he taught {Matthew 28:19-20} so as one of Jesus' Witnesses i'm a teacher of the word of my own God! Act 1:8

Secondly you're my neighbour (not my brother), because you and i aren't related in any way so we are chatting now as neighbours. You can only become my brother if we share the same line of thought regarding FAITH! Matthew 12:46-50

Lastly i know you'll be confused as to the fourth Commandment in the Mosaic law because God never gave people laws before the time of Moses. Faithful people only live by conscience using the golden rule 'whatever you want people do to you, do to them' {Matthew 7:12} that's the law God's people know before God spoke with Moses!
So there's nothing like "don't do this, don't do that" all that came in when God promised to cleanse a land for them to settle.
But for someone living in a places where different types of religionists live it makes no sense. That's why Christ's law replaced the old laws! Romans 10:2-4

awitness41:

I'm not a teacher, Max.
At most I'm a Brother, and that's it.
I'm discussing something with you... and you shouldn't consider yourself a teacher either (I don't think you do), but merely a brother.
But Max, and I'm supposing the JWs by extension, you DO cherry-pick what you want from Jesus teachings !
I spoke the Truth, nothing more or less.
You don't like that Truth, but it doesn't mean it's not the Truth.
And I don't always coddle the easily-offended (should we be so easily offended by the Truth ?), but you know I still Love you anyway.
And from what you're saying, you also noted that Jesus Himself kept God's Commandments... ALL of them (because He did not sin).
He didn't steal, He didn't kill, He didn't lie... but truly He did protest against the authorities by merely telling the Truth (since they were liars, and were offended by the Truth); and Jesus also kept the only Sabbath in the Bible - for Jews and Gentiles alike.
You will not find one un-manipulated Verse to the contrary from front to back in the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation.
You might find examples of men not keeping the Sabbath in the Bible, but you won't find another Sabbath in the Bible.
As you know, God Himself rested on the 7th day of Creation week.
Genesis 2:3 (NKJV) tells us:
"Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made."
From this, we can assume that Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel knew the proper day.
Enoch... God took him to Heaven ! Do you really think Enoch broke the Sabbath ?
Noah was declared righteous by God; if not, he and his family wouldn't have been on the boat !
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph... where does it say in the Bible that they didn't keep the Sabbath ?
In fact, God declared to Isaac, saying about his father Abraham, "...because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."
If so, we can be sure Abraham kept the proper Sabbath.
The Fourth Commandment itself also clearly states it in Exodus 20:8-11 (NKJV):
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
In the Deuteronomy 5 it says "‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you". It also reminds them that God brought them out of slavery in Egypt (i.e. bondage), and "therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day."
They didn't have to wonder which Sabbath God meant.
He even tested them on it before there were any stone tablets.
Now maybe after the Egyptians enslaved the Israelites, they were forced to work on the Sabbath, we don't know.
But if so, it would be reasonable for God to remind the Israelites about it after that point, because they might not have been in the habit of it for a while.
Tell you what... if you don't want to keep the only Sabbath in the Bible, then don't.
You won't offend me. You might offend God and Jesus, but not me... I'm happy for Them to be the Judge.
I want to keep it because I want to do what Jesus did Himself (because He didn't sin, nor did His followers... because they Loved God !).
Now of course, hospitals and such must still be open and minimally functional, but Jesus also healed on the Sabbath, so no "wahala" (I'm not Nigerian, but I learned that word out here... )

God is not an unreasonable God, but reasonable.

We must also eat on the Sabbath and do other similar essential things.

I'm not a Pharisee, nor should anyone else be.

But we should take our rest as God commands it.. if we Love Him.

awitness41:


Because man, while knowing, doesn't keep God's Law in his heart.

John 3:19-21 (NKJV):
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

Therefore, God gave us the Word to remind of us of It (often!), with plenty of examples of right vs wrong and good vs evil.

Why ?

Because God Loves us, and wants us to Live, not perish in sin !

Also, perhaps consider this:

At some point after the Beginning, God and Jesus made the very first Angels in Heaven (for Angels were created before man).
And like all beings God and Jesus ever made - Angelic or human - They gave the Angels free will and the ability to communicate.
And because the first Angels could communicate, if one wanted to tell God and Jesus something, he had, by the free will given to him, a choice.
He could choose to tell God and Jesus the Truth about something, or he could choose tell Them a lie.

And that was the very beginning of God's Law.
For wherever there is a moral choice combined with free will, there is God's Law, discerning between what is good versus evil, right versus wrong, and righteous versus unrighteous.
If we speak and do according to God's Standard of Righteousness, we follow the Law.
If we do not, then we break the Law.

Thus, God's Law existed practically since the dawn of time, as soon as God and Jesus made the first Angel.
In fact, God's Law is omnipresent, existing everywhere, in Heaven and throughout the universe, including Earth.
In fact God's Law is an integral PART of existence, wherever any free-will beings exist and can make moral choices.

One cannot escape God's Law any more than they can escape their own free will.
No, we cannot escape God's Law.
We can only keep it or break It.
And when we break It, we sin.

The rebellious of course hate the words "Commandment" and "Law".
And the rebellious do everything imaginable, including inventing deceitful doctrines, to avoid anything to do with those words.
But there is nothing to hate.
For it is founded on Love by God for His beings.
God's Law is there because God Loves His beings and wants them to be protected by right-living.
Those who embrace God's Law know this.
Those who reject God's Law live a lie, pretending there is no such thing.

Is there free will ? Yes.
Are there moral choices to be made ? Yes.
To deny either of those is a lie.

People can choose whatever they want to believe, either from God or men.
But if we refuse the simplest of Truths, what more will be given to us ?

Where did you get all these gibberish you wrote ?

Sin was part of God's plan from the beginning, you can choose to believe that or not. He however hope that we learn from them and grow. All was needed was confess and forsake.
Where did you get the idea that God needed an assistant in creation? You might want to re read Isaiah 45 again.

MaxInDHouse:
There are things we need to iron out!

First of all Jesus commaded us to go and teach people of all the nations all what he taught {Matthew 28:19-20} so as one of Jesus' Witnesses i'm a teacher of the word of my own God! Act 1:8

Secondly you're my neighbour (not my brother), because you and i aren't related in any way so we are chatting now as neighbours. You can only become my brother if we share the same line of thought regarding FAITH! Matthew 12:46-50

Lastly i know you'll be confused as to the fourth Commandment in the Mosaic law because God never gave people laws before the time of Moses. Faithful people only live by conscience using the golden rule 'whatever you want people do to you, do to them' {Matthew 7:12} that's the law God's people know before God spoke with Moses!
So there's nothing like "don't do this, don't do that" all that came in when God promised to cleanse a land for them to settle.
But for someone living in a places where different types of religionists live it makes no sense. That's why Christ's law replaced the old laws! Romans 10:2-4

If you choose to call yourself a teacher, that's on you (Acts 1:8 uses the word "witness", not teacher).
Jesus said not to use that term to describe ourselves (because we have one Teacher, the Christ)... so I'll listen to Him.
I'm not saying Brethren can't preach something to someone else, but they shouldn't think too highly of themselves.

Now, if you don't want to use the word "Brother" but only "neighbor", so be it. It won't offend me.
I said "I'm not a teacher, Max. At most I'm a Brother, and that's it."
All I meant is that "Brother" is the only "religious title" anyone should have (as opposed to "teacher" )... according to Jesus Himself.

You said above, "...because God never gave people laws before the time of Moses."

Not true.

See the post above which said:
In fact, God declared to Isaac, saying about his father Abraham, "...because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."
That was in Genesis 26:5 (NKJV).
Abraham was well before Moses.

Also, God said to Cain (Genesis 4:7, NKJV): "If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it."
How could Cain know what sin was without a Law ?
Was there transgression in Eden even before that ?
Yes. By Adam and Eve.
You can't have transgression without a Law being transgressed (Romans 4:15).
Also, before man was ever made, Angels were made.
Did Angels sin ?
Yes, Satan coveted God's position in the Universe; that's why Satan (and his) was kicked out of Heaven.
Satan broke God's Law.
None of these things are refutable... if one is using the Bible for their doctrine.

See also the other post above... regarding God and Jesus making the Angels and giving them a free-will choice (as God and Jesus give to all Their beings).
The Law exists as soon as free-will beings can make moral choices -- either to do right or wrong, or good versus evil.

Finally... one last thing for you to consider (please):
The Fourth Commandment says that even "cattle" are to be rested on the Sabbath.
Are cattle (i.e. beasts of burden) Jewish ?
No. So the Sabbath doesn't apply only to Israelites... it applies to all God's beings.

Ok, Max, I have to go now. You can have the last word if you want...
Until next time, stay humble.

22jumpstreet:


Where did you get all these gibberish you wrote ?

Sin was part of God's plan from the beginning, you can choose to believe that or not. He however hope that we learn from them and grow. All was needed was confess and forsake.
Where did you get the idea that God needed an assistant in creation? You might want to re read Isaiah 45 again.

Nothing was made without Jesus.
We have to put all applicable Verses together for a proper Bible study, not just one from here or there... ALL must be true, and none thrown out.
John 1:1-3 (NKJV):
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

As for the "gibberish", none of it can be disproven.
It's the very nature of God's Law, wherever free-will beings can make moral choices.