cococandy:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/30/africa-homophobia-legacy-colonialism

At a time when more countries are moving towards inclusive human rights, Africa is taking steps backwards. Backwards, that is, specifically on the issue of gay rights, though sadly not to before colonialism, the era in which anti-gay legislation has its roots.
Most Africans don’t recognise homophobia as a colonial legacy even though before colonialism, many traditional cultures were tolerant of different sexualities and gender relations. For instance, in my tribe, the Ganda or Baganda, (Uganda’s largest ethnic group) women from the royal clan are addressed with male titles and may or may not be required to perform duties expected of women.

cococandy:


https://africasacountry.com/2019/06/african-homophobia-and-the-colonial-intervention-of-african-conservatism

eas01:

It's a bs research. Africa never tolerated such.

Rydermaverick:

It won't ..still a pass for me cos I can't see any point you are proving..and I bet you I don't wanna be stressing myself over someone who doesn't even have a proper knowledge over something..so pls enjoy yourself

TripleOh7:


I don't expect you to understand. In fact I'd be shocked if you did.

I have come to realize that all human beings aren't on the same level of physical, mental and spiritual evolution.

For some, like you guys who struggle and with being comfortable in the bodies they were born in to the extent of trying to force a different gender upon themselves, how much physical and mental evolution will you say you've got if there's no synchronicity between both your physical component and psychological component?

You haven't even begun on the path of spiritual evolution at all.

You are a long way away. And I understand that. If you have to come back a million times to take that one step you need to take to begin, then so be it. No rush.

Please don't feel the need to respond to this cos I know you still won't understand anyway, which is okay. Honestly, it's ok.

Ekejoestar:
Awon Bobrisky will now claim trans.

Transgender comes in the natural form of being a hermaphrodite not all these guys that did gender reassignment.

The natural form can be corrected at birth through surgery by removing either of the two organs, leaving the baby with only one.

You can Google female rides she-male but don't blame me for whatever you see

cococandy:


I could go on. But I’ll stop here. please educate yourself. I have taken a graduate level world history and international history class.
Do the same and unshackle yourself from the colonialism that you erroneously consider African tradition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/06/27/from-colonialism-to-kill-the-gays-the-surprisingly-recent-roots-of-homophobia-in-africa/?outputType=amp

From colonialism to ‘kill the gays’: The surprisingly recent roots of homophobia in Africa

Fe190:


If you really meant this stoning you typed, then there's no difference between you and the Talibans. So far they're not killing, molesting, terrorizing, stealing national cake, or bombing anyone, I see no need for stoning. They should sha move to the west for now, cause it would take yearsss before they're accepted everywhere

PoliticallyLeft:


You're both correct and incorrect Ma, but more incorrect. You're very correct that some parts of the human body that are now classified and covered as private parts were hitherto public parts and you're correct about same-sex marriage in Africa (it's still in practice today by your tribe).

Why are you incorrect? You'll find out as you read.

I've always had interest in African traditions that are gaining acceptance in the West but declining in practice at where they stem from in our continent (which many studies conclude to be where life started).

Earlier this year, I published a thread on this platform about why masquerades and artifacts intrigued the white man but weren't enthralling to those whose ancestors designed them.

https://www.nairaland.com/6345810/why-foreigners-appreciate-nigerian-masquerades

That was a famous troll genuinely searching for answers . The replies I got uncovered a plethora of perspectives I did not focus attention on in the past.

The BBC video below is that of same-sex marriage which is welcomed in Igbo culture


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEFC0xJh8uI

I'll talk about tattoos in Africa too.

So I'll write about masquerades and artifacts that rake in hundreds of millions of Euros in European museums, same-sex marriage, and employment of those with visible tattoos , all of which attract prejudice and segregation in Nigeria.

1. The masquerades and artifacts are held in high regard by citizens of Europe because to them it is arts. Arts is freedom and liberty. It is archeology. It is history, a path to the past of medieval African technology. Some of the curators that handle these artifacts in Europe are females. There's no embargo placed to prohibit them from touching those artifacts and cleaning them.

Masquerades and artifacts are demonized by Nigerians because it is bondage, it is tragic, it is gender discrimination and autocratic. In Nigeria, women are to remain indoors during some of these festivals where men parade the artifacts and masquerades. Women cannot join the societies that manage those artifacts and virgins may be sacrificed during these ceremonies.

2. Same-sex marriage to the inhabitants of the West is freedom to explore one's sexuality and be with whom they love irrespective of gender.

Same-sex marriage to tribes of the defunct Eastern region of Nigeria is the subjugation of a woman who is not allowed to have sex, explore her sexuality, or move on after the death of her husband or her betrothed. If there was an existing male sibling of the deceased , the wife would be inherited as a property. Since there is none, she has to live with the deceased's mother and perform traditional wife roles apart from sex (whether consummation happen in secret is another thing ). If she's the deceased's betrothed, bride price will be paid and a wedding ceremony organised to hand her over to the deceased's mother as her new wife. This arrangement is slavery.

3. Tattoo in North America and Europe is fashion and arts. It can represent something or someone we hold dear like the one near your wrist You were neither forced to draw one nor the part of body where the tattoo should be drawn chosen for you.

Tattoo in Yoruba land is the tribal marks which damages the face of children without their consent. It is deeper and more brutal when inflicted on a first born and they have to live with it for the rest of their even if it makes them ugly.

Where am I coming from?

Let's draw an analogy:

Country A prohibits the eating of locusts except as punishment for the crime of goat theft. When a thief is caught with a stolen goat, the thief and is family is to provide 2 turtles, 1 python, 5 tubers of yam , a keg of palm wine, chicken, a goat and eat a plate of locusts or the thief will be banished to a thick forest forever.

Country B colonizes them in 1900 and calls them savages for eating locusts because it is alien to Country B's culture. They ban eating of locusts and introduce a criminal code which those who steal goats should be prosecuted under and sentenced to 2 years in Jail.

In 2000, there is a scientific breakthrough in Country B which correlates a newly discovered type of protein to locusts meal. They come back to convince Country A to eat locusts that they abolished because it is a good source of a rare protein.

To country B eating locusts is eating a rare form of protein but to country A eating locusts is sacrilege and meant for criminals.

An author would be correct if he argues that eating of locust which is now "locustphobia" started in Country A. But he isn't entirely correct when he doesn't talk about the motive.

Muiga, K, the author you cited up there, and the rest fall in that category. They deliberately omit motives when they write about that controversial but obvious past.

In criminal law, actus reus (act) and mens rea (intention/motive) must be present to convict criminals. It is why no judge in Nigeria where same-sex marriage is criminalized will sentence the women in the video above to a day in jail.

The intentions, purpose and motive of most of these acts which definitely began in Africa are different. To the West it means freedom but to Nigerians it is a remembrance of their dark past which they seek redemption for.

If you quote to disagree answer this question:

If there is a law that for a start , same-sex marriage in Nigeria should only follow the pattern in the video where women remain slaves , would those who claim that same-sex marriage started in Africa and Africans shouldn't be homophobic agree?

PoliticallyLeft:


f there is a law that for a start , same-sex marriage in Nigeria should only follow the pattern in the video where women remain slaves , would those who claim that same-sex marriage started in Africa and Africans shouldn't be homophobic agree

Hyerin:
While I feel empathy for trans people, I just can't subscribe to their ideology. I don't believe a man can be a woman and vice versa. If you ask a transgender, how do they know they're a woman/man, they'll tell you they just feel like one. Feelings. Something fleeting which makes the entire concept of trans absurd. A man feels like a woman based on gender stereotypes. A woman feels like and wants to be a man based on wanting to escape misogyny and or gender stereotypes. I will never accept transgender for their bullying of J.K Rowling and Chimamanda.

A marginalized group has so much power to threaten and silence folks and even reconstruct language to suit them. Even black people don't have that kind of power

abbey621:


What are you ranting about? Must you people pick fights with every word or sentence? We all have a job to educate, whether you embrace it or not, it is still a duty shared by all. I just adviced him to choose love when they throw hate at him but then again you missed the entire point and chose to attack instead....Na wa o, vauhulence everywhere

lkillbrokehoes:
Trans and homosexuality can never be accepted in Africa, let them go to the west where they tolerate it.

cococandy:


I’m neither quoting to agree nor disagree.
I do have a question for you.
Where in this is the acknowledgment that same sex relationships also existed between African men?
It doesn’t have to be Igbo culture specific.

Righteousness2:


If having Sense is the ability to approve Evil and Abominations, that Sense is a Destructive Sense.
If your Sense or reasoning is against your Creator, you are clearly on the path of Destruction.

Legendoo:


But you haven't proven them wrong. All you're doing is emotional blackmail.

Here's the working Google definition.

Transgender people are people whose gender identity is different from the gender they were thought to be at birth. “Trans” is often used as shorthand for transgender. When we're born, a doctor usually says that we're male or female based on what our bodies look like.

Essentially it's based on feelings.

Ok I feel like a stone.

edoairways:

It is acceptable in South Africa

slawormiir:
Damnnn niggar
Isoright......

Hmmmm....perused through this long article


But why a man go want become a woman na wetin I nor understand and why a woman go want become.....

Anyway...life is misery

lkillbrokehoes:
It's acceptable in South Africa because the whites rule over there, you know that the blacks there can't think on there own, that is why they are mostly useless

lalasticlala:


SOURCE: https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021/11/1/i-feel-invisible-the-challenges-of-being-trans-in-nigeria