Fiscus105:



Lekki genocide is enough for them to go behind the bar ok.

Well, the courts rule only on evidence and not perceptions or feelings. To prove a case of massacres in court, you will need to first establish that a particular person with known and verifiable identies has been killed by Lai Muhammed at Lekki Toll gate with hard- cast evidence.

seunmsg:
Calling Lai Mohammed names for asking valid questions is just silly. The report has already been dented and the right thing to do is for the panel members and others who feel strongly that the report is authentic to come out publicly and address all the inconsistencies raised by so many people about the report.

Just going about abusing Lai Mohammed will not cut it for logical folks who are already in doubt about the accuracy of the report. You can't present a report filled with unverified assumptions, lies, speculations and expect people not to ask questions.

Constable seunmsg, participant in the ENDSARS massacre.

oyatz:


Well, the courts rule only on evidence and not perceptions or feelings. To prove a case of massacres in court, you will need to first establish that a particular person with known and verifiable identies has been killed by Lai Muhammed at Lekki Toll gate with hard- cast evidence.

When ICC comes in , the evidences will nip them.
If government within the government can agree that there was massacre? The head of government who is the only one that can order military has no escape route.

oyatz:


At the scenes of the event, it's possible that their indentities weren't known but the Judicial panel sat for a whole year to establish these but instead they just listed 'Jide' 'Wisdom' or 'Judith'


If they are able to trace their first names, why not go further to establish other forms of their Identities like their surnames, genders, last known address (you can't tell me that none of them had ATM cards or Telephones) , their friends/neighbours, relatives etc

Dead body wey no get ID, you come Dey expect the panel to determine their ‘last known address’.

Panel sat for a whole year to hear witness testimony and hear from victims of police brutality and you’re attacking them for not leaving their location to do detective work.

You people are strange. Instead of blaming the Government for not having a detailed fingerprint database of Nigerians after capturing people’s biometric data for NIN, telecom line registration and bank registration, you’re here attacking the panel.

texazzpete:


So if you knock someone down on the road and they don’t have ID on them, you won’t be prosecuted for manslaughter or murder Abi? If you can’t trace their family or their address, the judge will say you didn’t kill anybody, abi?

This argument you people cooked up in your BMC WhatsApp group Dey smell. Badly.

If you are well read and understand how the court rules you ought to know that in type of case you cited, the prosecution will rely on two vital body of evidence viz;

1) The body/corpse of the victim

2) Autopsy report that the victim actually died from the impacts of the accident.


In the EndSARS panel report, the panel disregarded the Testimonies of the Doctors who treated the victims and the Forensic Pathologist who conducted autopsies on all the bodies based on Science but based their reports on words of mouths of the prostesters which is highly subjective based on perceptions and feelings.



One of their lead witnesses was a video by a guy who said he was assumed to be dead but managed to espcaped and counted 11 'dead bodies' .


Now if he could be assumed to be dead by laymen (non-medics) but he wasn't dead, what gives you the impression that there were others he too assumed to be dead but weren't really dead?



In the midst of shooting that night, some people would even fainted without anything hitting them and some people will assumed that they were dead.

In Accidents & Emergency units of large hospitals, there were many instances that family and friends rush victims in and start crying that they are dead but the medical teams will treat them and they will survive.

Victims at the scenes of the Lekki Toll gates would have been emotionally terrified that they may not be able to reliably identified who was truly dead or not.








Try to view matters disspassionately and stop labelling anyone who scrutinize the reports as 'BMC and those who have been paid by the Government'.

oyatz:



If you are well read and understand how the court rules you ought to know that in type of case you cited, the prosecution will rely on two vital body of evidence viz;

1) The body/corpse of the victim

2) Autopsy report that the victim actually died from the impacts of the accident.


In the EndSARS panel report, the panel disregarded the Testimonies of the Doctors who treated the victims and the Forensic Pathologist who conducted autopsies on all the bodies based on Science but based their reports on words of mouths of the prostesters which is highly subjective based on perceptions and feelings.



One of their lead witnesses was a video by a guy who said he was assumed to be dead but managed to espcaped and counted 11 'dead bodies' .


Now if he could be assumed to be dead by laymen (non-medics) but he wasn't dead, what gives you the impression that there were others he too assumed to be dead but weren't really dead?



In the midst of shooting that night, some people would even fainted without anything hitting them and some people will assumed that they were dead.

In Accidents & Emergency units of large hospitals, there were many instances that family and friends rush victims in and start crying that they are dead but the medical teams will treat them and they will survive.

Victims at the scenes of the Lekki Toll gates would have been emotionally terrified that they may not be able to reliably identified who was truly dead or not.








Try to view matters disspassionately and stop labelling anyone who scrutinize the reports as 'BMC and those who have been paid by the Government'.

And if you had read the report instead of lazily repeating misinformation from your WhatsApp groups, you’d have seen the testimony from a respected, Lagos state forensic pathologist who carried out autopsies of corpses identified as retrieved from the lekki tollgate, reported injuries consistent with gunshot wounds and testified that the corpses could not be identified and were only marked with numbers at the time of examination.


But this is par for the course here.

oyatz:


For instance, you can establish the identies of those killed by listing the following about those killed;


1) Full names with surnames ,not just writing Jide, Wisdom or Janet.

2) Ages

3) Sex

4) Last known Address

5) Occupation

6) Telephone contacts


With these information, any news organization can carry out further investigations to get their pictures and relatives.





The victims can't just be existing in isolation without social and emotional relationships with other people like their girlfriends, siblings , landlords, pastors and neighbours.

Because it is not in sync with your format makes it fake?

CNN is a media house, did they have to wait for such details to make investigations?

Any serious person can easily confirm what transpired there on the 20/11/2020.

If government is condemning report of the committee, where is the findings of the government?

Take your time and be a fan of crime and investigation on dstv

For the government to come clean, they should hire fbi to unravel what transpired there that day.

For Lai to come out from his disinformation lab and start pointing where Ts are crossed and I(s) dotted without presenting his findings after one year is petty, callous and useless.

God give us good head and mouth to think and speaks wisely. But blind followers do otherwise

texazzpete:


Even you that’s typing this rubbish don’t even believe it. Because even you know that you are not safe from police or military brutality.

I firmly believe most of you traitors that have collected money to betray the future of your own country will live to regret this. You can’t escape the karmic payback.

We also know most of you lekkilies proponents are getting your funding from Pdp and Atiku as per Dubai strategy......you must make the massacre narrative stick to be able to get paid. You are the traitors and saboteurs who want to get to power through chaos instead of through the ballots.
What about all the ordinary everyday people whose source of livelihood you arsonists destroyed because of your lies.....the blood of those security officers roatsed and eaten by you cannibals will be on your heads and those of your sponsors

texazzpete:


Dead body wey no get ID, you come Dey expect the panel to determine their ‘last known address’.

Panel sat for a whole year to hear witness testimony and hear from victims of police brutality and you’re attacking them for not leaving their location to do detective work.

You people are strange. Instead of blaming the Government for not having a detailed fingerprint database of Nigerians after capturing people’s biometric data for NIN, telecom line registration and bank registration, you’re here attacking the panel.

Then why are they called "PANEL OF INQUIRY if they cant make enquiries ?.....simple enquiries as per the identify of a person.
They are not supppsed to do detective work but went to Lekki tolll gate on october 30th and discovered bullet casings......why .....its because of the fixation with LTG....LTG is seen as Tinubus cash cow hence you all must make sure LTG remain shut because in your thinking it will affect tinubus finances

.

Nigerians are not Stupid enough to believe that Nathaniel Solomon who granted Punch Newspaper an Interview on 11 September 2021 was shot and Killed during Endsars Protests at Lekki Toll Gate last year

Absolute Rubbish

xelly:



Because it is not in sync with your format makes it fake?

CNN is a media house, did they have to wait for such details to make investigations?

Any serious person can easily confirm what transpired there on the 20/11/2020.

If government is condemning report of the committee, where is the findings of the government?

Take your time and be a fan of crime and investigation on dstv

For the government to come clean, they should hire fbi to unravel what transpired there that day.

For Lai to come out from his disinformation lab and start pointing where Ts are crossed and I(s) dotted without presenting his findings after one year is petty, callous and useless.

What I am saying is that the panel did a shoddy job.



It requires concrete evidence to prove a case of murder.


The panel disregarded testimonies of Medica doctors who treated the victims and autopsy reports of forensic pathologist based on Science, instead they relied of the words of mouths of the ENDSARS protesters which was largely based on perceptions and feelings to arrive at their conclusions.




To be very frank with you, they can NOT win each of these cases of murder in court based on the panel report.

louqas:


Then why are they called "PANEL OF INQUIRY if they cant make enquiries ?.....simple enquiries as per the identify of a person.
They are not supppsed to do detective work but went to Lekki tolll gate on october 30th and discovered bullet casings......why .....its because of the fixation with LTG....LTG is seen as Tinubus cash cow hence you all must make sure LTG remain shut because in your thinking it will affect tinubus finances

This is a particularly poorly reasoned post, and of all the BMC proxies in this thread, it's sad to see that you're the most intellectually challenged.

If you could be bothered to follow the panel proceedings and read the report, you'd see that they called in witnesses and sought testimony from a wide spectrum of folks. How can you now say there was no inquiry?
And then you come up with the ludicrous statement that they should enquire about the identity of unidentified persons. Does common sense not tell you that those folks are largely unidentified for good reason?

Of course there's a large amount of focus on the Lekki Toll Gate. That's the site of the tragic shooting. Why did you need this explained to you? Have you had tertiary education?

I assure you, nobody here is naive enough to think that the Lekki toll gate generates a very significant portion of Tinubu's cash flow, but I thank you for making that statement. It's a clear Freudian Slip to reveal your own motivation

I would say that this is disappointing from you, but I suspect that you're quite limited upstairs and are only performing in line with your capabilities.

louqas:


We also know most of you lekkilies proponents are getting your funding from Pdp and Atiku as per Dubai strategy......you must make the massacre narrative stick to be able to get paid. You are the traitors and saboteurs who want to get to power through chaos instead of through the ballots.
What about all the ordinary everyday people whose source of livelihood you arsonists destroyed because of your lies.....the blood of those security officers roatsed and eaten by you cannibals will be on your heads and those of your sponsors

Yup. I was clearly right about you.
Who gives a damn about that clown Atiku or you people's desperate political moves?

Unarmed youths were slaughtered and you traitors are defending it because of the proverbial 5 pieces of silver.

See what I keep saying about Freudian Slips from you? Clearly, you're the weakest link.

Fiscus105:



When ICC comes in , the evidences will nip them.
If government within the government can agree that there was massacre? The head of government who is the only one that can order military has no escape route.

Bros, if they go to ICC, they will lose.


Courts will rely on scientific evidence and not hear say.

texazzpete:


This is a particularly poorly reasoned post, and of all the BMC proxies in this thread, it's sad to see that you're the most intellectually challenged.

If you could be bothered to follow the panel proceedings and read the report, you'd see that they called in witnesses and sought testimony from a wide spectrum of folks. How can you now say there was no inquiry?
And then you come up with the ludicrous statement that they should enquire about the identity of unidentified persons. Does common sense not tell you that those folks are largely unidentified for good reason?

Of course there's a large amount of focus on the Lekki Toll Gate. That's the site of the tragic shooting. Why did you need this explained to you? Have you had tertiary education?

I assure you, nobody here is naive enough to think that the Lekki toll gate generates a very significant portion of Tinubu's cash flow, but I thank you for making that statement. It's a clear Freudian Slip to reveal your own motivation

I would say that this is disappointing from you, but I suspect that you're quite limited upstairs and are only performing in line with your capabilities.

See grammar
Is this your defence? So weak and you ended up not saying anything but just poorly attempt to denigrate my person instead of facing the issues at hand.
All over Lagos and the country that day scores of people died from various causes including police men.....some of you cannibals even roasted and ate some.... but those deaths dont matter......what matters to you lot is LTG.....what about those whose source of livelihood you arsonists destroyed because there was shooting at LTG....
You lead counsel has been in court for years concerning the issue of LTG....he clearly saw this as an opportunity to get back at government

oyatz:



What I am saying is that the panel did a shoddy job.



It requires concrete evidence to prove a case of murder.


The panel disregarded testimonies of Medica doctors who treated the victims and autopsy reports of forensic pathologist based on Science, instead they relied of the words of mouths of the ENDSARS protesters which was largely based on perceptions and feelings to arrive at their conclusions.




To be very frank with you, they can NOT win each of these cases of murder in court based on the panel report.

Bolded was acknowledged but recall the Doctors that treated those wounded were not at Lekki on the 20/11/2020 so they can only report cases that was brought before them.

Why do you people not want to accept eye witness report and evaluate using technology rather than rely on obsolete methods and silly conclusions?

Technology and the world is laughing at you guys

xelly:


Bolded was acknowledged but recall the Doctors that treated those wounded were not at Lekki on the 20/11/2020 so they can only report cases that was brought before them.

Why do you people not want to accept eye witness report and evaluate using technology rather than rely on obsolete methods and silly conclusions?

Technology and the world is laughing at you guys

1. Medical doctor's and their scientific testimonies carries more weight in courts of law than hearsays.

2. The eyewitness in question did not testify and was never placed under oath to start with so his or her testimony is inadmissible in any court of law, based on this fact, the whole report and findings are worthless.

3. You can not say people die and a massacre took place without proof or by relying on hearsays by witnesses that you did not see, you did not invite testifying and did not place under oath.

4. At the end of the day, the panel still have to explain how they came about the names o the dead, their identities and manner of death through examination, the same examination they sidetracked in favour of hearsay.

5. They still have to explain how people died and sustained injury elsewhere all of a sudden showed up on their report at the LTG.

plaindealer:


1. Medical doctor's and their scientific testimonies carries more weight in courts of law than hearsays.

2. The eyewitness in question did not testify and was never placed under oath to start with so his or her testimony is inadmissible in any court of law, based on this fact, the whole report and findings are worthless.

3. You can not say people die and a massacre took place without proof or by relying on hearsays by witnesses that you did not see, you did not invite testifying and did not place under oath.

4. At the end of the day, the panel still have to explain how they came about the names o the dead, their identities and manner of death through examination, the same examination they sidetracked in favour of hearsay.

5. They still have to explain how people died and sustained injury elsewhere all of a sudden showed up on their report at the LTG.

I have always known that in any investigation, one need to be neutral and check every side of the coin.

FG/Lai Mohammed is not neutral and no one expects them to accept whatever that is presented to them.

When and how will findings become satisfactory to a biased mind?

We all are aware of how police handle citizens. How then is the head injury not related to policy brutality?

Those that were shot and they died on spot, they will have bullet injury and most of them would have been dumped in the lagoon.

How and why are the panel members receiving threats and are attacked?

FreeStuffsNG:
v) - The panel was silent on the family members of those reportedly killed, merely insinuating they were afraid to testify. Even goats have owners who will look for them if they do not return home, not to talk of human beings. Where are the family members
of those who were reportedly killed at Lekki Toll Gate? If the panel is recommending compensation for the families, what are their identities and addresses? Who will receive the compensations when no family members have shown up to date?

vi) - How did a man who reported seeing the lifeless body of his brother himself ended up being on the list of the panel's deceased persons?

vii) - How can a Judicial Panel convince anyone that the names of some casualties of the Lekki Toll Gate incident listed as numbers 3 (Jide), 42 (Tola) and 43 (Wisdom) are not fictitious names.


It's game over for all the liars behind the Lekkilies. If these are 'writers' then they are writers of fake news.
The problem is that many of these liars want to solve a problem from answer you copied from the back of the page of the book. We are not going back to those stories again so please don't take us back to Egypt.
They have said people died, they sat for a whole year and came up with names. The problem now is that it turned out that the names are fictitious and they ,in a bizarre manner, do not have friends, family, neighbours, pastors, imams,spouses and even not a social media page!
That's why you guys should divert your focus on unravelling the puzzle since that's where we are now. Even the person who faced the panel in person was declared dead! So who recommended that tax payers be paid to fictitious names and is it right to lie on oath and go scot free?
This is where we are now. You can't say or write in black and white that people died and for one year sat to investigate it and end up submitting fictitious names and insisting we pay those fictitious names without trace of them or their families.
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You must very smart. I think by now I getting convinced that there was no protest at Lekki. What happened was just a group of young boys that military taught how to properly sing national anthem. Thank God for contribution from great eye witness writer like you. Kai Africa is a hub of mirads of characters!

xelly:


Bolded was acknowledged but recall the Doctors that treated those wounded were not at Lekki on the 20/11/2020 so they can only report cases that was brought before them.

Why do you people not want to accept eye witness report and evaluate using technology rather than rely on obsolete methods and silly conclusions?

Technology and the world is laughing at you guys

The panel did NOT rely on any Technology but hearsay.


Those who had injuries were rushed to the nearest hospitals for treatment and ALL the dead bodies around 20-10-2020 in that vicinity were taken to the nearest mortuaries.


The testimonies of the doctors at these hospitals and the Pathologist who carried out autopies on the dead bodies didn't support that 9 people were killed.


The families, relatives, friends and neighbours of the people listed as being killed didn't show up at the panel.


The panel listed Nathaniel Solomon as one of those killed on 20-10-2020 but the same man granted interview to newspapers in March,2021.

The panel listed Kolade Salami as one of those killed at the Lekki shootings when Kolade actually died in 2019.

oyatz:


The panel did NOT rely on any Technology but hearsay.


Those who had injuries were rushed to the nearest hospitals for treatment [/i]and ALL the dead bodies around 20-10-2020 in that vicinity were taken to the nearest mortuaries.


[i]The testimonies of the doctors at these hospitals and the Pathologist who carried out autopies on the dead bodies didn't support that 9 people were killed.


The families, relatives, friends and neighbours of the people listed as being killed didn't show up at the panel.


The panel listed Nathaniel Solomon as one of those killed on 20-10-2020 but the same man granted interview to newspapers in March,2021.

The panel listed Kolade Salami as one of those killed at the Lekki shootings when Kolade actually died in 2019.

1) Eye witness is different from hearsay.

2) Army prevented ambulance service from gaining entrance to attend to the injured. This alone is enough reason to punish all those soldiers but fg is still looking for T not crossed.

3) What killed those dead bodies taken to the nearest mortuary?

4) Could it be that the panel under reported? since only 9 was reported and the report didn't include that of the pathologist.

5) Bank accounts was frozen, DJ Switch became a witch and a target just for speaking up. How then do you want more persons to speak up?

FG should be neutral and support the panel and the public to unravel the truth instead of threat, attacking and killing them.

louqas:

See grammar
Is this your defence? So weak and you ended up not saying anything but just poorly attempt to denigrate my person instead of facing the issues at hand.
All over Lagos and the country that day scores of people died from various causes including police men.....some of you cannibals even roasted and ate some.... but those deaths dont matter......what matters to you lot is LTG.....what about those whose source of livelihood you arsonists destroyed because there was shooting at LTG....
You lead counsel has been in court for years concerning the issue of LTG....he clearly saw this as an opportunity to get back at government

See what I mean when I say you’re intellectually challenged?

You scoff at the panel for ‘relying on hearsay’, but here you are, insisting that the cases of arson seen in lagos the day after the shooting was carried out by protesters in reprisal for the shooting. Where’s your evidence?

By the way, I find it humorous how you’ve finally conceded there was shooting at the tollgate.

Sadly, the panel was not constituted to investigate the arson in the day after the shooting. If they were, I’m sure they’d get to the bottom of the curious failure of any serious security agency to respond to widespread arson and looting, in many cases within close vicinity of police stations. Or why - till date - the LASG has not identified any of the arsonists or prosecuted them.


I will ignore your desperate rambling about cannibalism. I’ve come to recognize these things as Freudian Slips. Do you family and friends know you fantasize about gnawing on human flesh?

xelly:


1) Eye witness is different from hearsay.

2) Army prevented ambulance service from gaining entrance to attend to the injured. This alone is enough reason to punish all those soldiers but fg is still looking for T not crossed.

3) What killed those dead bodies taken to the nearest mortuary?

4) Could it be that the panel under reported? since only 9 was reported and the report didn't include that of the pathologist.

5) Bank accounts was frozen, DJ Switch became a witch and a target just for speaking up. How then do you want more persons to speak up?

FG should be neutral and support the panel and the public to unravel the truth instead of threat, attacking and killing them.

I didn't say that the dead bodies were from Lekki Toll gate but all the dead bodies from around that vicinity were subjected to coronal autopsies to determine if there were some that were killed by bullets.

oyatz:



I didn't say that the dead bodies were from Lekki Toll gate but all the dead bodies from around that vicinity were subjected to coronal autopsies to determine if there were some that were killed by bullets.

Why must it be that day that dead bodies was recovered around that vicinity?

How many have you recovered afterwards?

I no blame them now cuz na una dey vote for 60 above leaders...


Smh